What happens when you leave behind security, move across countries with almost no plan, and trust that life will somehow work out?
I talk with stand-up comic and creative entrepreneur Sadia Carone about her wild path from Ohio to Paris, New York, Brazil, Los Angeles, and Las Vegas. Sadia shares how she walked away from a difficult family life, built careers in software testing and entertainment, survived 9/11 in New York, took huge risks to chase comedy and acting, and learned how to handle rejection, failure, and negative people without losing herself. You will hear honest lessons about resilience, creativity, career pivots, faith, comedy, and why success is rarely instant.
Highlights:
00:01:32 – How music helped Sadia teach English in Paris.
00:10:32 – Why she left tech to pursue comedy and acting.
00:14:45 – What it was like living in New York during 9/11.
00:27:07 – Why she moved to Las Vegas with no real plan.
00:35:41 – How faith helped her through major setbacks.
00:51:21 – Why creative careers take patience and preparation.
About the Guest:
SADIA CARONE was born in the Midwest and has since lived in Paris, France and Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. She currently lives in Las Vegas, Nevada where she regularly performs stand-up comedy.
Sadia was brought up to choose "the safe path" and she graduated from the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia with a BA English and a BA in French. She wanted to go to music school -- but at the time, that was out of the question ( = her parents forbid it).
Well her parents were wrong! Sadia took voice lessons and started writing songs. Atlantic Records was going to sign her -- then 9/11 happened and both the record executives and her music producer had other things to deal with.
And now Sadia has a comedy album! She performs her original songs on stage! Along the way, she got her SAG card (national actors' union) and earlier this year, she taught a stand-up comedy workshop in Reno, Nevada for the SAG Conservatory!
Sadia's approach to life is "follow your heart" and "carefully assess the risks". In other words -- timing is everything! Do your research. Make informed decisions. Then when the time is right -- take that leap of faith!
Sadia's career highlights include
* IT manager for the USPTO
* software tester for the National Red Cross HQ
* TEDx Speaker
* Host, Jimmy Kimmel's Comedy Club
* Karaoke DJ at Vegas #1 karaoke spot
* Tour Guide, Big Bus Las Vegas
* Yellow M\&M, The M\&M Store in Las Vegas
* Apartment Building Manager, West Hollywood / Northern Hollywood / Studio City, California
* Official SongBird and Queen of Culture and Creativity, Shitshow Creative
* Founder, Music for Emotions which received a grant from SEED Vegas.
Sadia speaks English natively, fluent French and Portuguese, business-level Spanish, intermediate Hindi/Urdu and bits of Russian and Arabic.
Ways to connect with Sadia:
www.linkedin.com/in/sadiacarone
@sadiacarone
About the Host:
Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.
Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT\&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children’s Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association’s 2012 Hero Dog Awards.
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Michael Hingson 00:04
What if the biggest thing holding you back isn't what's in front of you, but rather what you believe Welcome to unstoppable mindset where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. I'm your host. Michael hingson, speaker, author and advocate for inclusion and possibilities. This podcast explores how the beliefs we carry shape the way we live, lead and connect with others. Each week, I talk with people who challenge assumptions, face adversity head on and show what's possible when we choose curiosity over fear, together, we focus on mindset resilience and the small shifts that lead to meaningful change. Let's get started. Well, hi everyone. I want to welcome you to another episode of unstoppable mindset. I am Michael hingson, your host. I've been your host for all of these so that should be recognizable by now, but you never know anyway. Our guest today is Sadia Carone, or in America, Carone, I wonder what it is in Texas, we'll have to talk about that. But by the same token, Sadia is a stand up comic. She speaks a number of languages and has a lot of talents that we'll get to we're supposed to start this 15 minutes ago, but we've been talking about comedy and other things, so we're late at getting started, but you won't notice it, because the recording goes as the recording goes anyway. So Sadia, welcome to unstoppable mindset. We're glad you're here.
Sadia Carone 01:44
Thank you. I'm delighted to be here.
Michael Hingson 01:46
And Sadia lives in Las Vegas, which is about three hours sort of east of where I live in Victorville. So lovely weather out there, just like here.
Sadia Carone 01:57
Yes, three hours as the crow flies, probably six and a half with the Thanksgiving
Michael Hingson 02:02
traffic. I'll bet it is, yeah, and so I'm staying home. You're staying home. And by computer, it's, it's lightning fast. By computer, Well, I'm glad you're here. And I'd love to start with maybe learning a little about the earlier Sadia growing up and all that.
Sadia Carone 02:20
Sure, I grew up in what some people would call a dysfunctional family. You and I were talking before about how everybody has a disability, and I have a social disability in that, I went no contact with my parents for good reasons. I grew up. My dad was a lawyer, my mom was a school teacher, and I wanted to do music, they made the mistake of giving me piano lessons, and I loved it more than school, which I loved. I would get up early and play piano two hours a day before school, and then play again after school, and I just loved it. But people from our family don't go to Juilliard or don't do music. We listen to music, but we don't make music. So I went to college, and in college, I spent two years in Paris. That was eye opening. I went for my junior year abroad, got a job, was able to stay there and support myself. So I did that. Was absolutely amazing. I was teaching English as a foreign language and using songs, because that's what the students wanted. I taught adulteration ministry they dealt with, like the French colonies in Africa and Asia, and so I was translating things from the UN It was an amazing opportunity, but I found that my students were way more motivated when I would write down the lyrics to the songs that they would tell me they liked, and then we would translate the lyrics, so we would talk about grammar and vocabulary, and then we would sing the songs to help with their pronunciation, and they grew rapidly, way faster than with the boring old book. So to kind of compress a whole lot of time, I now have a startup that's based on music. It's called Music for emotions, and it's in development, but I found a way to put music first foremost, I put out an album of comedy songs that are not appropriate for children. Okay, you should be 21 or older. They're not nasty. Well, they're not nasty. Anyone under 21 to listen to them. I hope we don't get believed. But one of my songs is called your boner is not my problem.
Michael Hingson 04:43
I get it. So,
Sadia Carone 04:45
yeah, adult topics in a cheerful, light hearted way,
Michael Hingson 04:49
okay, we won't BLEEP you. You're safe. Well,
Sadia Carone 04:58
I won't tell you some of the other. Titles, but yeah,
Michael Hingson 05:01
yeah, that's okay. Well, as as you pointed out, you spend time in Paris, and of course, as we all know from Humphrey Bogart, they'll always be Paris. So there you are. Too much time in front of the movie screen.
Sadia Carone 05:14
Beautiful, beautiful city. It's changed. Never too much time in front of the movie screens. Paris is amazing. I'm sure it's changed a lot since I was a junior in college, but it sort of is the center of the universe, with my apologies to New York City, which is, of course, the best city in the whole world, of course, but Paris, it's closer to Africa, it's closer to Asia, it's closer to Scandinavia. You could sit in the metro, which is their subway, and probably see people from eight different countries. So it was just fascinating. I grew up in the middle of nowhere, with no disrespect to my hometown in Ohio, and it was just mind boggling. I could go to a museum and see an actual Monet. I could get close enough to touch it, although I never did. Just wow, wow. You know all these painters that I'd studied, and just the vibrancy and the internationalness of it all, it was fantastic.
Michael Hingson 06:15
So what did you do when you came back from Paris?
Sadia Carone 06:19
Well, I realized if I didn't go home after two years abroad, I wouldn't know anybody on campus, because the kids that were freshmen when I was a sophomore, they were juniors when I took my first anyway, they were sophomores when I took my first year abroad. They were juniors during my my year off so I wouldn't know anybody unless I went back and graduated. So I did. Then I made a career shift. My first job out of college was writing a computer manual for software. And you know those 16 digit numbers on literally everything you buy,
Michael Hingson 06:59
yes,
Sadia Carone 07:00
well, we sold the software for J Crew and I something similar to Ross. It was called Daffy. Is a big store in New York, and with those 16 digits, we could trace the cut
Speaker 1 07:13
in
Sadia Carone 07:14
your shirt back to the field and
Speaker 2 07:16
buy
Sadia Carone 07:17
and my job was to write the manual so the girl or guy the cash register could figure out why the 25% discount wasn't being applied, to figure out what to do if a whole batch of stuff was, you know, sewn in a weird way or was damaged. So I got that job by saying I don't know enough about computers, so I'm the perfect person. I'm a good teacher because I taught in Paris, so yeah, let me learn how to do this, and I can explain it so a five year old can do
Michael Hingson 07:46
it. Yeah, and that's interesting, because you have your majors in English and French, and now you're going off and doing computers. So that's a lot of fun.
Sadia Carone 07:53
It really was, I guess you could say I just have a massive love of learning. And that little job I was able to spin into a much better paying job where I did software testing for y, 2k, yep, that long ago, I was a software testing manager for the National Headquarters of the Red Cross and then for the US Patent and Trademark Office. And it's safe to say I was swimming in money. It was delightful.
Michael Hingson 08:23
I remember y 2k I was selling. We had opened the office in the World Trade Center, and I was managing the team that sold a lot of products to Wall Street. And when y 2k happened, we were actually commanded to have a service person stay in a hotel in the city, because none of our people lived in the city, none of the support people, but they had to be available, just in case something happened at midnight and suddenly, the people like Goldman Sachs needed help, and it was they didn't, but it was still One of those, those interesting things, y, 2k was one of those things, like a Gilbert and Sullivan opera, opera or operetta. You know, a lot of words that signify absolutely nothing, because nothing really happened, but still, you didn't want to take the chance,
Sadia Carone 09:14
right? So for people who may not have been alive at that time or old enough to care at that time, computer started off, and I think it was mostly cobalt or Fortran, and it's like the early 70s. And they're like, we'll just use a two digit year, because they weren't thinking about the year 2000 so a two digit year would be like 76 for 1976 now, my grandfather was born in 1896 so that's where the issues come with the two digit year.
Speaker 1 09:44
And
Sadia Carone 09:45
it could have been nothing's going to work. A lot of people worked really hard to make it work. So some of the fear was justified, just because the problems doesn't mean that. There couldn't have been, like, I got paid a ton of money to try to make stuff compliant, right switching, in most cases, from a two digit year to a four digit
Michael Hingson 10:08
year.
Sadia Carone 10:08
And I was a tester, so my job was to break stuff. I'm really good at breaking stuff. I don't have to code. I just have to know where the code is weak. And I would joke I can smell so if you want to break a computer program, put somebody was born in like the year 4527 and they died in the year 12. That would crash the system. I would put people who had a name that was too long, like 56 characters for the last name. What other fun stuff would I do? Oh, born in 1776 and hasn't died yet. Once you learn the weaknesses, it's very easy to exploit them. The programmers hated me, but the client loved me. I was like, sorry, unstable crashed it
Michael Hingson 10:51
well, and that's really the for y 2k was really the issue, and there were a number of good testers who did a great job of finding or at least testing, for so many things such that we didn't have the problems that we thought we were going to have, which was great that
Michael Hingson 11:08
the threat was very real.
Michael Hingson 11:11
Oh, it was,
Sadia Carone 11:12
again, it's kind of like if you foil a terrorist attack, if you keep doing it, people are going to think, well, there's no more threat. Well, no, just because we eliminated the threat doesn't mean that it wasn't serious. So it was very serious. I'm proud of the work that that we did. Ironically enough, I got laid off six weeks before December 31 1999 and at that point, I decided to make a switch to being a full time creative I'd been making the big computer money and running off and doing plays. I got cast in some big TV shows that came down to DC to film. I got cast in a couple films, and at least the team I worked with. A lot of these people were just horrible. They would book a conference room for six hours, have a 10 minute meeting, and then charge the whole time to some client code. And they were going getting their nails done and getting their hair done and going out to lunch. And there is a there was a lot of waste at the USPTO that may have changed, but I realized that the acting people were a lot nicer to be around and USP what I know now
Michael Hingson 12:25
us is what PTO is,
Sadia Carone 12:30
oh, us, patent and
Michael Hingson 12:31
trade, trademark office. Okay, great.
Sadia Carone 12:34
Patent and yeah, sorry, not paid time off patent and trademark office, right? Yeah, they're in DC. I assumed that everybody would be as corporate II, as what I was used to. If a corporation says we're going to pay you X amount of dollars in X amount of days to do X amount of work, you get paid so many creative life. People haven't paid they've stolen my ideas, like all kinds of nonsense. Yeah, so that was eye opening, but you know, it's all learning curve,
Michael Hingson 13:10
yeah. Well, so you did all of that. So you switched to go out, going off and being creative. And is that? So that's what you did after you were laid off or Well, what did you do after you were laid off six weeks before December 31 1999
Speaker 1 13:29
Well, the
Sadia Carone 13:29
first thing I did was apply for unemployment. And because I've been making such good money, I had six months of really, really sweet unemployment. And about a week or two before I got laid off, I got called into the big theater in DC, the one that everybody wants to perform in, and the casting director wanted to see me, and I was like, Oh my god. So I looked at their entire season, I picked the one play that had a part that I thought I would be right for. Read the play. I did everything I was supposed to do. So so I take, you know, a day off work, Dennis appointment, and I go meet this guy. I got paid by the hour. Okay, so if I wasn't at work, they didn't have to pay me. I go meet this guy. And he's like, Hey, Sadia, I called you in here to audition for the part I'd prepared for. And then he said, unfortunately, yesterday, the director decided to hire a friend of hers out of New York, and I was just crestfallen. And I said, Well, can I at least audition, just so she can see me? And he sat, you know, looked at me from across his desk, and he said, Sadia, I'm going to tell you a really difficult truth. There are three women in your age range that are going to get all the work in DC. You're really good. You need to go to New York. And I was like, okay, okay, I'd lived in New York before, and then when the layoff came, I think I hung around DC for about two. Months trying to figure out what I was going to do with my life. And then one day, I just woke up and I said, You know what? I'm going to New York. And I did. So
Michael Hingson 15:10
now it's 2000
Sadia Carone 15:12
Yes, and I was in New York for two years. I left in December, 2002 so I was working. I think it was 27th and seventh on
Michael Hingson 15:24
September.
Sadia Carone 15:26
So I would say we were North enough to be safe,
Michael Hingson 15:30
right?
Sadia Carone 15:30
But we were close enough to see just Night of the Living Dead, all the Wall Streeters, just everybody started walking north,
Michael Hingson 15:38
yeah.
Sadia Carone 15:38
So I come into work about eight, 845, I think. And my boss had the news on, and he's like, You're not gonna believe that somebody just hit the World Trade Center. I'm like, It's broad daylight. What were they smoking? Hahaha, what an idiot. I mean, tragic, but we just thought it was a human error. And then the second one got hit, and we were like, Oh,
Michael Hingson 16:02
yeah.
Sadia Carone 16:03
And I told my boss, I want to go see this. And he's like, Well, if you go stand at the corner of, I think, Sixth Avenue, you'll be able to see it. And so I went and I watched. There about a dozen of us just watching the tower, and out of nowhere, the building. Sat down.
Michael Hingson 16:20
Yeah,
Sadia Carone 16:21
that's the only way I can describe it, floor by floor. It was 123, boom that floor collapsed. 123, boom, that floor collapsed. And so it looked like it was sitting down. It didn't look lopsided. It looked very much like controlled explosions. And everybody just kind of looked at each other, and I ran back to the office, emailed everybody on my list, because we thought we were all going to die. We thought that the bombs were going to be dropped, you know Hiroshima, you know US version. That's not what happened. I was fortunate enough I could walk home. So I did anybody who needed a place to stay to come to my house because the trains weren't working, the planes got canceled. Broadway shows got canceled, and New York especially freaked out.
Michael Hingson 17:09
Yeah.
Sadia Carone 17:10
So I was working in a dream job. I was working in a production company. I was a rising star. I just landed us this big Spanish client with my Spanish. And had that not happened, my life would be very different, as would, of course, many people's nobody wanted to film in New York. A lot of people left New York. New York was a very scary place, and I stuck it out for about 15 months. And finally I was like, I need something new. I can't do this anymore. I gotta get out of here. And I'd already lived in Europe, and my Spanish was pretty good, so I started looking at South America. And wouldn't you know, I go to a party, and I meet a girl from Brazil, and she and I become, like instant best friends. She has a place in Rio with an extra room. She was like, Hey, why don't you come down here? I'll help you get a job teaching English. It'll be awesome. And two days later, I started a temp job at a law firm. My lawyer had just come back from Brazil the night before. I watched Brazil win the World Cup the last 10 minutes of the game, and they all got down on their knees and prayed. And I looked at them, and I said, Oh, my God, that's my people. I'm going to Brazil. And just so many things kind of fell together. I wound up getting a really great price on a flight, American Airlines flight. I went down there and I made it work. I found a job, I met a guy. A lot of good things happened for me down there. Got on TV, I was singing, it was great, but visa issues got to the point of go to jail or go home. And I said, I'll go home. Thank you very much.
Michael Hingson 18:54
Yeah,
Speaker 2 18:56
yeah.
Michael Hingson 18:58
And, and you already sort of intimated this, but of course, your parents weren't supportive of any of this kind of stuff. Were they?
Sadia Carone 19:05
Oh, I went no contact after college. God, I didn't want to go to college. I'm really good at school. I, you know, English and French, so very wordy, very reading stuff and writing stuff. But I figured I went college. I did my duty as a child, and then I went no contact, so they don't know much about me. And plot twist, my dad passed away about three years ago, and I assumed I'd be cut out of the will, but I was not. That's as much of a surprise to me as probably the whole rest of the family. My stepmom is holding things up, you know, God bless her, whatever. So we'll see how that plays out. But, yeah, I quit them, but he left me in the will.
Michael Hingson 19:53
So you came back to the States, I presume after Brazil.
Sadia Carone 19:57
Yeah, I was in New York for about. Two years then I had the opportunity to go to LA a friend of mine had just bought the animal hospital where he works. He and I had been salsa dancing buddies, and he was half Brazilian, so when he was in Brazil, we actually saw each other a few times. He came down once or twice while I was down there, really good friend of mine, and he said, Hey, princess, I bought the Animal Hospital where I work, that had been his dream back when we were both in New York. He's like, I want you to see it. And I said, Okay, money back. Send me a ticket. I'll get on a plane if you send a ticket. And he did. And so I got on a plane, and I went to LA and I saw his beautiful hospital, and I was really proud of him. And then he was gonna go back to Ecuador which is the other half. He's half Brazilian, half Ecuadorian, or no, Peruvian. He's going back to Peru. And he was like, You can't stay here when I'm gone. I was like, Okay. He's like, I'm leaving Sunday. Like, okay. So I found a place to stay. Moved out of his place. Moved into my
Michael Hingson 21:01
sorry, you moved where?
Sadia Carone 21:02
Oh, I moved out of his place, right? And I stayed in Los Angeles for six years after that.
Michael Hingson 21:07
Oh my gosh,
Sadia Carone 21:08
just walk through the open door. That's what I tell people. I was getting tired of New York, and I had the opportunity to leave. So I left.
Michael Hingson 21:19
So what did you do out in LA
Sadia Carone 21:22
Well, I went to Central Casting and I signed up to be an extra in TV shows. I worked on a ton of shows. A friend that I met up there helped me get a job as a building manager. I worked for three different small apartment buildings. And the great thing about being a building manager is, if your buildings are completely full, you only really have to work about five days out of the month. You collect the rent, you deposit the rent, like, that's it. If you have a vacancy, you got to work all the time trying to, you know, get the apartment rented. But fun times, you get a free apartment. Because if there are, I think, 15 units, or 16 or more units, you have to have someone who lives on site.
Michael Hingson 22:07
Yeah,
Sadia Carone 22:07
so I was able to run off. I was on gully probably eight different times, and the middle Parks and Rec, I didn't get on the office, which really annoyed me. But, you know, I got to do a ton of great stuff. I actually joined the actors union when I was out in LA. Just amazing, amazing opportunities.
Michael Hingson 22:31
Did you get to sing on Glee?
Sadia Carone 22:33
No, I was just an extra. Whenever the kids would go to sectionals or regionals, they had to have a bunch of people
Speaker 1 22:40
in the
Michael Hingson 22:40
audience. You were there,
Sadia Carone 22:41
and I was one of them. Yeah,
Michael Hingson 22:43
got it all right. So you were in LA for six years, and then what?
Sadia Carone 22:49
Well, I went to a networking party one day. And my approach to networking is meet one person and then find people to introduce to that person. I'm actually kind of shy in a big group. It might not seem like that, but I decided the best way to overcome this is to just get involved and help other people. So I met this one guy who was a writer, and then I just ran around finding people to introduce to him. Like the whole night, you would have thought I was the hostess of this thing. I was like, Oh, hi. How are you? My name's Saudi. What do you do? Oh, you're a writer. Oh, come meet my friend. Oh, you're an actor. You should call me my writer friend. Oh, you're a producer. You should come meet my writer friend. And at one point, I had four different groups of people going and people were coming up to me and being like, who the Who the f are you like? What I want to be in one of your groups, but some of these girls, I knew because I was in, I was a audience member on Judge Judy, oh, my god, probably 100 times Judge Joe Brown, and so I had a sense of who took their job seriously and who did not. And I'm not going to say it was really revenge. But you know, when you're not following the rules and you're being a jerk on set and you're not someone I want to associate with, don't come up to me asking for favors well, as I'm running around, just kind of owning this party by accident, right? Some guy comes up to me and he's like, hey, I want to talk to you. Will you sit still for two minutes? And I was like, Sure, we're sure. We're sure. What do you do? He was a producer. And I was like, Okay, that's great. You should go tell he's like, No, sit. I was like, Yeah, I'll be back. And so I eventually came back, like a half an hour later, and I sat down, and he told me his name, and it's a name that I knew. And I was like, Oh, okay. And he was like, you're amazing. I was like, well, thank you very much. I want to have lunch with you and talk to you about a project. Like, okay, great. So we go and have lunch. And his family, not him, but his family had produced the movie airplane.
Michael Hingson 24:59
Do.
Speaker 2 25:00
Yeah,
Sadia Carone 25:03
and so this guy
Speaker 2 25:05
wanted
Sadia Carone 25:06
my help. He had the name, and as other people put it, I had the brains. And we he sort of fell into this opportunity where the clippers, which is a basketball team, I did not know that some of them wanted to buy a film studio. Was this little film studio out in Castaic, which is just outside of LA and their financial advisors would not let them do it unless they had a Hollywood guy as part of the project. So he was approached to be the Hollywood guy, and I would come to all the meetings, and I was taking the notes. And when I was in New York, I worked on Wall Street. I read the Wall Street Journal. I went to Penn. They've got a great business school. I can kind of hang with the with the finance bros, and we were so close to getting this deal together. And he was literally like, what do you want your job to be? I wrote my ideal job, my ideal salary. I brought a couple friends into this thing with me, and then it fell through. I was still a building manager, and they had a meeting the first week of the month. I'm like, Dude, I can't be there. I got to be here. I got to collect the checks, got to do the rent. I can't go something went sideways, and from what I was able to piece together later, my boss made a joke that you should not make in, shall we say, mixed company. So I have blonde hair, right? So I can say, Oh, I had a blonde moment. I can say that, if I barely know you, when you say that, that might be a deal breaker for
Speaker 1 26:39
me.
Sadia Carone 26:40
You know, we all have our sensitive issues, and part of being a comic is seeing them, but spinning them into a positive light. You know, a bad comic will make people feel worse. A good comic will make people feel better. So my boss made some stupid joke that he shouldn't have made and absolutely infuriated everybody, and now the deal's done, and I'd worked so hard on this, and I remember I was on Santa Monica Boulevard in a little cafe outside sipping my coffee, and I was like, God, you know what? I hate every brick in this town. I hate every grain of sand. I hate everything about this town. Where can I go that's not here, but not too far away, because it is kind of the entertainment capital of the world,
Michael Hingson 27:30
right?
Sadia Carone 27:30
And suddenly I got the idea to come to Las Vegas.
Michael Hingson 27:34
There you are.
Sadia Carone 27:36
I'd never been to Las Vegas before, and I was like, Well, isn't it cocaine and hookers like, that's not really my scene. And my intuition was like, just go, just Just go. Just Just go. So I took the $35 that would have been my bus pass in LA and I bought a one way ticket to Vegas on a on a bigger bus, and I made it work. There was a site called couch surfing that I went on, and I was able to get a place for a couple days until I sorted it out. Then I found a job and I got an apartment, and the rest is history.
Michael Hingson 28:13
So what year did you go to Vegas?
Sadia Carone 28:16
2014,
Michael Hingson 28:17
okay, so you've been there 11 years. This is
Sadia Carone 28:20
the longest I've been anywhere. And I joke with my friends. I'm like, it's like, the guy that you date, and you can't quite break up, but you can't quite get married either, because it's, like, really good but, but maybe not great, and you're kind of holding on. So I may cheat on Vegas with another city, or I may pick it up a notch and actually, like, buy a house or a condo here, I don't know yet.
Michael Hingson 28:44
Well, you don't have to rush, as long as you are able to be substantial and do things. So you'll see, time will time will tell. Well, you've obviously done a lot. You've done
Speaker 2 28:58
a lot
Sadia Carone 28:59
this town. This is an amazing town.
Michael Hingson 29:02
Yeah.
Sadia Carone 29:04
No, you go ahead. I talk a lot. Go ahead.
Michael Hingson 29:06
You've you've done a lot of things and all that. What's the biggest risk that you've ever taken?
Sadia Carone 29:12
Let's see, I would say moving to a third world country, probably moving to Brazil.
Michael Hingson 29:17
Okay,
Sadia Carone 29:18
that was a huge risk. There was one time in LA when LA has great labor laws, I did a non union acting job, and they paid me 45 days late, and the judge decided to give us a day's pay for every day they were late. So my $100 job became a $4,500 job, and they negotiated it down to about 3500 and the lady at the Labor Board was like, I suggest that you take this. And so I took it, and I was like, Ooh, should I buy a computer? Should I put it in savings, or should I join sag AFTRA? And I joined the Union? So. Thoughts at that point, having $3,500 at one time was a really big deal, and so I guess that was a risk. Doing stand up comedy was a risk. Doing my album was a risk. I wrote a song that I'm not going to discuss because it's slightly more inappropriate than that other one, and people were asking me to buy the song. They were like, I love your song. Where can I buy it? I'm like, bribe. I don't know where to find a music studio. So I went to a music open mic and said, hey, everybody wants this song. I need somebody to do with the music studio. And some guy walked up to me and said, call this guy, and I called that guy, and he said, Your song's a hit. It's a great song.
Michael Hingson 30:46
And
Sadia Carone 30:47
he sent me to somebody closer, and I got my album. So I mean, going to Brazil was a huge risk. There's so many, but I would say probably Brazil, or taking your off of college to stay in France. That was a risk. If you're ever thinking about a risk, I mean showing up in Vegas with 20 bucks, that was a risk. You have to weigh all the options. So when I was ready to leave ballet, I was like, Sadia, you don't know anybody in Vegas. You might be in a homeless shelter for a couple months, till you figure it out. I'm like, well, wouldn't be the first time. It'll be okay. Not many people can do that, but I can, you know, it's there's nothing wrong with loving your home and your house and your comforts. I just have not chosen that path.
Michael Hingson 31:38
Yeah, that's fine. How do you how do you prepare to take a risk, especially a substantial risk?
Sadia Carone 31:45
Well, you prepare you so, for example, Brazil, literally, the hand of God was like just constantly in my life. I mean, I saw Brazil win the World Cup. I go to some new random job, and my lawyer just came back from Brazil. Okay, that was pretty amazing. I think every day for about three weeks, no matter where I went, somebody would end up talking about Brazil. I would go to buy body lotion, and the cashier would be like, Oh yeah, my roommate's boyfriend is from Brazil. It was every single day. So it's half listening and half being proactive. So because
Speaker 1 32:24
I was working that worked
Sadia Carone 32:29
so much with Brazil, they had a newspaper where I found my cheap airline ticket, so I didn't just pack up and go overnight. And I spent like six weeks thinking about this, and I talked to the girl down there, and we kind of figured stuff out and gave notice on my apartment, and I would avoid rash decisions that are big. The bigger the decision, the more preparation you need to make. If you're thinking about going to an open mic, that's a pretty low level risk, right? You just have to get to the club and sign up and make sure that you're under three minutes. The embarrassment could be huge, but the impact on your actual life is pretty minimal, right,
Michael Hingson 33:08
right?
Sadia Carone 33:09
So that might not take as much preparation, although I would encourage you to time your set and make sure it's three minutes. It sounds like I just and I give the universe time to sort of prepare. I guess that makes sense, like it's not like I'm going to pack up and leave the country tomorrow. I could I have a passport, but I like to plan and look at all of the possible outcomes. A year ago, I had the opportunity to perform at flappers in Burbank, and that's kind of far for me. I had to fly, I had to book a hotel room, and I literally spent my last $700 on this trip. And I was like, Okay, you might come back. It's going to be a little scary if nothing happens. I was like, Yeah, but I'm a good comic. I think this is going to be a great opportunity for me. I think I have to do this. And I went, and it was great. And good things have come from that trip. But I came home and had like, 10 bucks,
Michael Hingson 34:09
yeah,
Speaker 3 34:09
about a week.
Michael Hingson 34:10
Things happened
Sadia Carone 34:11
a little, yep, it was a little interesting, but, but I got through it, and I am glad that I went.
Michael Hingson 34:16
I remember when we were going to move to New Jersey from where we were in California, and the company I was working for wanted me to work in New York City because we were selling to Wall Street, and Wall Street likes manufacturers to have a presence. We went back to New Jersey and started looking, and we found a place where we could build a house in Westfield. My wife was in a wheelchair her whole life. So we wanted to build a house, because it's a lot cheaper to build an accessible house than to buy a house and modify it for accessibility,
Sadia Carone 34:48
right?
Michael Hingson 34:49
So we found this place in Westfield, New Jersey, and we came back to California, and every time we mentioned Westfield. Field that we had never heard of. But every time we mentioned Westfield, somebody heard of it, we just found so many people who knew about Westfield in one way or another. It was just one of those amazing things. I mean, for months, because we went back in January, and we eventually, well, we bought the property, and then they started building the house, but it was like August before we moved in, and it was near the end of June before my wife came back. But all the time we kept talking to people we mentioned Westfield, and somebody in California every single time we mentioned Westfield had heard of it. So I know what you're saying. It's just one of those things.
Sadia Carone 35:44
Trust,
Michael Hingson 35:45
clearly, universe, yeah,
Sadia Carone 35:47
yeah. Like, keep your eyes open. I want to tell everybody the universe is good. The universe is a good place. There are bad people in the world, but the universe will eventually fix it. So whenever something goes wrong, like, like, that big movie studio deal that, I mean, that was worse than a breakup. I mean, I spent 18 months putting this thing together and literally pulling off miracles. Just every skill I had went into this thing, the networking, the people, thing, everything. And when that didn't happen, I had to sit down and be like, okay, Sadia, is this in any way your fault? I'm like, Well, I wasn't there, yes, because this meeting was during a time when you could not be there. Is there anything at all you could have done to prevent this? I'm like, Well, no. I mean, it was 20 people involved. No one's going to reschedule the meeting for me. So if I am blameless, then I had to figure, well, the universe will make it up to you somehow. To you somehow. You know you're you did the best you could, you're a good person. It just, it just wasn't meant to be as hard as that is to hear,
Michael Hingson 36:51
yeah,
Sadia Carone 36:51
I've been I had my apartment broken into here in Vegas, and all my stuff stolen. And that was really hard. It came home from work and my front door was open, and I never leave it open, and everything was gone, and I called the police, and I have to call the building, and, you know, I put my hand on the wall, and I was like, God, please help me to forgive whoever did this to me. And the guys were like, we've never seen that before. I'm like, Well, what am I going to do? I mean, I can replace the stuff.
Michael Hingson 37:19
Yeah,
Sadia Carone 37:20
it was a worker's comp sitch, and I ended up getting what I needed because I had taken photographs of every paper, and I had my phone so, like, they took my calendar. I didn't know where my hearing was, but thank God I found it in my photos. So when things go wrong, that's where your faith has to come in.
Michael Hingson 37:40
Yeah,
Sadia Carone 37:41
and it and even if I did do something wrong, right, even if I back when I was less of a wonderful person, you know, sometimes it partly was my fault, I'm like, Well, okay, learn from it and try to do better next time. But the universe is stronger than any person, anything, any job, any situation, so when stuff goes wrong. Just, I don't know how else to say this, but like, man up. Yeah, I'm so sad that didn't happen, but it's going to work itself out
Michael Hingson 38:10
well, the bottom line is that you you learn to focus and you do move on. Yeah, it can hurt and things happen. We've We've all had to confront that in so many different ways. It's the usual thing. There are things that happen in the world that are not our control. Out of there are not things that we can control, but we always can control how we deal with it. And that's, I think the biggest issue is that you learn how to deal with it. You learn that if there was something that you could have done differently, you learn that, and you don't do the same thing again. If there was nothing that you can do, there's nothing you can do, and you you have to move forward.
Sadia Carone 38:52
Yes, sorry. Another airplane that day, my apartment got broken into. I literally only had the clothes on my back, and I had to call my boss. I'd been at this job for three weeks, and he was such a great guy. He showed up. He showed up and handed me $600 and was like, take a few days off. Go buy some clothes. And it was a furnished apartment here in Vegas. They have lots of them. It's called a weekly and he's pointing at the furniture. He's like, is this your Should I take it? Is this your Should I take it? And for me, the hardest part was asking for help, but I could not have asked for a better response. Who does that? I hadn't been there that long, but I was one of his top employees and and he was like, anything you need. And, you know, I went out and I bought some clothes, and I had more than just the clothes on my back, but I had to sleep in them that night and wear them the next day. And it was rough. I posted on Facebook, and a bunch of people offered to help. I was a little shy. People were like, send me your target wish list. I'll buy you stuff. And I guess I I was just too traumatized or too overwhelmed. Like, I never did. I never did that, but I did get through it. And a bunch of people just stepped up to the plate. One girl gave me three bags of clothes she was going to take to Goodwill. She was like, here, just take whatever you want. Take whatever fits. I was going to donate it anyway. And so for every pot, there's a lid for every situation. There's a solution. I needed clothes. My friend had three bags of clothes she was going to give away, like just stuff like that. You would have never imagined, but so many people stepped in to help, and I'm so grateful for that.
Michael Hingson 40:36
How do you deal with negative people?
Sadia Carone 40:39
I try not to
Michael Hingson 40:41
that's fair.
Sadia Carone 40:43
I try to disengage and have the temptation. This is the mistake. I think the only sin is anger. Anger is like a fire, right? And if someone is horrible to me, and plenty of people have been your first reaction is, I'm gonna go tell them what a jerk they are. Okay? They know they're a jerk. They do in their heart. They don't need me to tell them, because the minute I start yelling back, they can yell at me for yelling, if that makes sense, yeah, but if I'm just very calm, I'm like, This is not what we agreed to. You know, usually it's people not paying me when they're supposed to. So, hey, it's Friday. I'm here for my paycheck. Oh yeah, I'll pay you Monday. This is not what we agreed to. I did the work. I'm asking for a check. Oh, well, I don't have it. Well, then please get it. So a really important lesson I learned was horrible people already know that they're horrible. It's not your job to tell them. It's just your job to disengage, and any energy that you give them strengthens the ties between you, so the more you can just very calmly, like you know this isn't working for me, or you're making decisions that make me uncomfortable. I don't think I'm the right fit. I always try to take the blame instead of You're such an idiot,
Michael Hingson 42:09
get
Sadia Carone 42:09
out of my face
Speaker 1 42:10
like,
Sadia Carone 42:10
you know, I don't think this is the right situation for me. I don't think I'm what you're looking
Speaker 1 42:14
for,
Sadia Carone 42:15
and then you blame yourself just to get out of it. I think that's probably the best way. You know, I see the direction this is going. I don't think I'm a good fit for this anymore. I want you to find the right person who can help
Speaker 1 42:28
you achieve
Sadia Carone 42:29
your shitty goals,
Michael Hingson 42:32
right? But the key is not to take responsibility in your own mind, but you are trying to get out of the situation as pleasantly as you can
Sadia Carone 42:42
Yes, and the other crazy thing is that people change.
Michael Hingson 42:47
Yeah,
Sadia Carone 42:48
you know, just because somebody was amazing and your job was amazing a week ago, stuff can change. Maybe you change. Maybe you decide you want to move to a different city. Maybe the job changes. You get a new boss, or you get a new client, or your favorite client quits, or whatever. So just because it was amazing last week doesn't mean you have to stay when it's no longer amazing,
Michael Hingson 43:12
right?
Sadia Carone 43:12
Like, if you if you trust the people kind of share your concerns, like, hey, this was supposed to be a 20 hour week job, and now it's become a 45 hour week job. Can I get more money? Or can we do this? Can we do that? What's being expected of me has changed, so I'd like that reflected in my pay, you know, talk to them about it. Try to be brave enough to at least address it like a grown up. Don't go run. Don't just quit and run away. But, yeah, there are some negative people. I mean, a friend of mine once told me, if you have haters, you must be doing something right. And I do have a couple of them, and I just don't talk to them.
Speaker 1 43:53
I see
Sadia Carone 43:54
them at events. I know who they are. They know who I am, and I just stay away. I don't care what you're saying about me. People who know me know and people who don't know me, I don't care.
Michael Hingson 44:04
Well they are well, you know, I've never well. I've learned not to accept the concept of failure. I think failure is is such a negative thing, but I do realize that we do things that don't turn out the way we want, and we then have to deal with them. What's what's one time that all that happened to you? I say, I hate to use the word failure, but I can say, when's the time that you failed, but when's the time something didn't really work out? And I understand you talked about the big business effort, but that wasn't something that you really had control over. So what's something where you really had control over it and it didn't happen the way you wanted?
Sadia Carone 44:46
Well, one of the big reasons I went for to Brazil was I was watching a lot of Spanish TV, and sometimes the words didn't match their mouths.
Speaker 3 44:54
And
Sadia Carone 44:55
I heard from my my Latin friends, that a lot of TV comes out of Brazil. Oh, now I was so ignorant. I was like, wait, they have TV cameras
Michael Hingson 45:07
in person.
Sadia Carone 45:07
People have told me that I'm good, that this was not completely unrealistic. I wanted to be a star on a global TV show,
Michael Hingson 45:15
okay?
Sadia Carone 45:15
And that definitely did not happen. I was an extra a few times, and I met some important people, but I think the culture in New York and the culture in Brazil are so different. In New York. If I met Steven Spielberg in New York, right? The correct thing to do is, Hi, sir, I'm a huge fan. Would love to work with you. Could I get your email? Send you over my stuff, right? Super chill in Brazil. You're supposed to be the exact opposite. Oh, my God, it wasn't small my whole life, like the more intense you are, the more seriously they take you. So I met these huge novella directors, but I didn't behave in a way that they expected. And so you could say, in a sense, my time in Brazil was a failure, because I didn't get married down there. I didn't get the career I thought it was gonna have. But I have to remember, and I think of all the friends I made because I'm native speaker. Oh, so I'm a good teacher, and all my teaching them not a Brazilian who spent three days in New York. And I'm not being snobby, it's just a fact, English is hard, and I wouldn't teach Portuguese, and I lived there for two years. So, you know, be that as it may. So I think a big problem when we think about failure is we set our sights too high. I probably am not going to win an Academy Award two actresses a year when the odds are astronomical, but what I can be proud of is that I'm in the Union, and my union sent me to teach stand up comedy. I went to the University of Reno in Northern Nevada, and I taught a stand up comedy workshop for my union. And it might not sound like a lot, but that's really amazing. They paid my ticket, they paid my flight, they paid my hotel, you know, everything and so that's really huge. Is it an Academy Award? No, is it making my life, my whole living off of acting? No, not yet, but we keep raising the bar. I used to think I would never join the Screen Actors Guild. It seemed impossible, but then I did, you know, and so when, when it's a failure, just, just make sure that your baseline is in the right place,
Michael Hingson 47:32
right?
Sadia Carone 47:33
I might not have won an Academy Award, but I've been in TV shows that people have heard of, and I had a speaking part in a film it just never got released. Well, that's not my fault, but I was good enough to get the part, and I took direction. And, you know, I've got friends in the industry, and people know me as someone who's honest and reliable and hard working and prepared, and it could change tomorrow. I can't get my big call.
Michael Hingson 48:00
Yeah, yeah, it's all perspective. And the reality is that that, in a sense, yeah, you didn't get an Academy Award for doing that comedy workshop. But as you point out, a lot of good things come from those kinds of things, and it's all an investment.
Sadia Carone 48:17
Yeah. And again, what's an Academy Award? I mean, do I want to be recognized for my talent. Do I want to be on TV? Do I want to feel like, you know, a big success? Success means lots of things. I performed at Jimmy Kimmel's here in Las Vegas 20 times on three or four different shows. That's amazing. Like I remember three years ago and that seemed like an impossibility. So, so what is failure? I mean, well, I didn't get what I want. Well, okay, who else wants what you want? Every actress in the country wants an academy award that that's a lot of people, and most of us are going to be disappointed. But I can go do stand up and make people laugh. You know, that's amazing. I can I try to, you know, teach people about about the union here in Nevada, where a right to work state, so the laws are very different from California. And whenever I'm on a big shoot with like, three or 400 extras, you know, there's always people that know me because we've worked together so many times. And I'm really happy that people come and ask me questions and I can give them the honest truth. And, you know, maybe my world is not planet Earth, maybe my world is just Las Vegas, Nevada, and that's okay, you know, it's not Ohio. I accomplished. My initial goal was to get out of Ohio, and I did, and I have an album, and that's amazing. And I know music people, I know acting people, I know producing people. I've got 7000 people in my LinkedIn. I don't often brag about that, because I think you shouldn't, but every single one of them is important to me. Yeah, the 699th and the 7,031st like. I won't post it there, but that 7000 people that that want to read what I write,
Michael Hingson 50:07
right? Well,
Sadia Carone 50:08
it's
Michael Hingson 50:09
amazing,
Speaker 1 50:09
yeah, right.
Sadia Carone 50:11
Well, with those numbers, because I had them too,
Michael Hingson 50:16
right? Let me ask you this. You say that when it comes to creative careers, nobody goes from Little League to major leagues all at once, and they they take a long time to get there. Explain that, if you would
Sadia Carone 50:33
sure, so everybody has this dream of, I'll be walking down the street and I'll be given back, or I'll have the perfect look for some film. Now that might have happened in the 50s. I think Lana Turner was discovered sipping a soda outside of Hollywood High. That doesn't happen anymore. So when I talk about Little League, that's like, what six, seven year olds playing T ball, and they're just learning the game. No matter how good you are in Little League, no one is going to invite you to the majors. If you're lucky, you might get invited in high school, but even that's rare. So if your goal is to be an in an Academy Award Level film, meaning that it gets national distribution and it's a big budget Hollywood film, how are you going to get there? Well, you might want to take some acting classes. You might want to do some student films. I would highly recommend that you get involved in theater, both on stage, Jim backstage, and then you're probably going to do some extra work, like I did. And then, you know, there's a million different ways it could go from there, but, but you know, you can't shoot for the moon if you've never done any astronaut stuff like, it's okay to have the big dreams, but then we have to reverse engineer, and you might realize that you could get off your butt and go to a comedy club, even if you just sit and watch that counts, Right? You're too scared to get up and do it. Or you could go rent a foreign movie, or go rent the Academy Award winning films from 1965 like there's millions of steps you can take to get closer to your goal, but you've got to understand it's not going to it's just not going to happen overnight. There is one story. This guy is like a bad legend. He was an extra on a die hard film, and he got plucked out of the group to say three words, and he suddenly thought he was the king of the set. And he ran around telling everybody how he wanted his trailer. He went to the chef and said, You better have some whatever food I like tomorrow, because now this guy was such an ass that they ended up tearing up his contract and he got blacklisted.
Michael Hingson 52:50
Gosh,
Sadia Carone 52:51
so even if it does happen, yeah, oh no, I just dropped my headphones. Headphones dropped. The headphones dropped. Sorry, I got, I got too animated. The headphones dropped. I don't think the microphone is still there
Michael Hingson 53:02
it is.
Sadia Carone 53:03
I get so upset when I think about that guy. And even if it does happen, you're not prepared for it, so you probably don't want it to happen like that.
Speaker 1 53:12
You
Sadia Carone 53:12
know, that guy had what most people would have considered the dream, but he wasn't prepared, and he crashed and burned. So there's rules. Hey, it's hard to be an actor. Can you do the same thing 27 times exactly the same? Probably not. That takes work. And you know, the whole thing of
Michael Hingson 53:34
it goes beyond acting. I mean, it's true for any kind of situation, any kind of job, it's all about preparation.
Sadia Carone 53:41
Yeah, no one's gonna make you CEO overnight, like, go get your MBA. If that that's your path, go do some work. But again, we're in such an instant gratification society, even if it happened that could be the worst thing for you, because you're not gonna know what you're doing no matter what it is, right, you've written books. You know, it takes work to write a book. You got to sit you got to actually write the book. Yeah, that's half the battle. Then you got to get it published and blah, blah. So, yes, being a published author is amazing, but there's a lot of stuff that goes into it.
Michael Hingson 54:17
Yeah, you have said that one of the best things about comedy is the comics, and the worst thing about comedy is the comics. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 54:26
I
Michael Hingson 54:27
don't you love that.
Speaker 3 54:29
Well,
Michael Hingson 54:32
we should put that on the Calvin album. But anyway, go ahead.
Sadia Carone 54:35
No, we should. So if it's not self explanatory, I have met some of the most amazing people who are comics, and they're kind, they're generous, they're funny, they're sweet, they're helpful. At the same time, though, the bar to do stand up is horrifically low, literally. Are you over 21 and do you have a pulse? Anybody? Can go to an open mic. And there are many paths in stand up. Some people go the weed, cocaine. And you know, what am I saying? Intimate favor route. That has not been my path. But if you bring weed to the host, and if you're willing to do things, you can progress very rapidly in your career. That is not how I choose to do things, and I'm I'm happy to suffer the consequences of that. But if you are someone who's chosen the weed, cocaine and intimate favor path, when someone like me comes along who's actually funny and a good person and doesn't hate herself for the personal sacrifices one may have made. There's going to be that negativity between us. It's not coming from me. I look like a thread because I'm sober and friendly and unashamed, and, you know, not afraid of what I've done. So that if you go, even if you just go see comedy. If you liked a comic set, they're three minutes. Go tell them. Follow on follow them on Instagram. Show up two or three times, and you'll have a new friend. You know, it's that easy, but if you didn't like someone's set, just shut up. I mean, I've been on stage with people I can't stand. What do I do? Hey, good set. Nice to see you. I didn't quite lie. You pretty much always have to say good set, because it's just professional
Michael Hingson 56:29
courtesy. Other part about that is that that the really quality people are going to be the ones who succeed anyway
Sadia Carone 56:36
in the long run, one hopes, like the music industry, it is possible to be a bad person and to be a successful comic like that's just all there is to it. You do have to have some talent, but you can be a horrible person and have a music career. You can have a comedy career, you can have a modeling career, you can even have an acting career. It makes it more difficult,
Michael Hingson 57:02
and I guess universe will eventually catch up to you, though, somehow, some way,
Sadia Carone 57:07
right, right, right, right. I would rather be honest and good and a good person and get my stuff honestly. That's the path I took. You are free to choose whatever path you want, but this is my path. I actually had a comic who has a pretty famous show. He came up to me, and he was like, people are talking about you. And I said, What do you mean? And he said, they don't like you. I said, Oh, what have I done to not be liked? And he was like, Well, this guy always brings me weed when I Book him, and this guy brought me Coke, and this guy brought me a hooker. And I was like, okay, I can see what's going on here. I think I need to excuse myself from the conversation. You know, I'm not gonna cry. I'm not gonna nope, like you chose that path. If you don't like me, well, that's okay. I can do other stuff. There's other clubs. There's other things I can do. If I had to give one piece of advice to people, I would say, please get an education. I have two degrees. I speak a bunch of languages, so when stuff goes sideways, anywhere, I can pack up and go somewhere else. If you never went to college, if you start doing stand up and that's your only path, then you might be willing to make sacrifices.
Michael Hingson 58:26
Yeah, but yeah, and it's not just a college education, and I think that's extremely important, by the way, I love learning, but it's also learning about life and I and that's why I said what I did about the universe eventually catches up. I've just seen so many examples, even on the news. Yeah, people who who ended up with with drug issues and all that, they die early. Too many things happen to them. So I hear what what you're saying. I had a chance once to watch Don Rickles on Donahue. That dates me a long time ago. But one of the things that he said, and I had never thought about it, about him and that before he said it was he said, I don't really want to tick people off. He said, I want to make fun of people. I want to have fun with people. But if I'm performing and I see somebody in the audience who I'm picking on, who is becoming offended or becoming angry at what I say, I'll stop doing it to them. I will leave them alone.
Sadia Carone 59:22
Yeah,
Michael Hingson 59:23
and I Yeah. I thought about that afterward, and he and I started watching other things that he did, and I and I saw that he was absolutely right. He wouldn't pick on people if they were becoming angry or whatever, offend
Sadia Carone 59:35
or hurt. Yeah,
Michael Hingson 59:36
he didn't want to offend people. He wanted to entertain. And I thought that was such a wonderful way to put it, you know. And the reality is that that if you really looked at it in that vein, and you could see why he was such a funny guy, and you wouldn't be offended by him, but yeah, well, this I'm pretty
Sadia Carone 59:56
tall and thin. One time people hated me. They they. Called me olive oil, and I just left it off because I didn't care. But we all have that thing that we're kind of sensitive about.
Michael Hingson 1:00:06
Yeah, things happen. Well, if people want to reach out to you, maybe learn more about you and so on. How do they do that?
Sadia Carone 1:00:14
Certainly, my LinkedIn is my first name and then my last name. Both are somewhat unusual
Michael Hingson 1:00:19
spell,
Speaker 1 1:00:20
if you
Sadia Carone 1:00:20
would, oh, yes. S like Sam, A, D like David. I A. My last name looks like car one, Saudi Caron, if you make it all one word that's my Insta. My album is in my bio, but don't open it at work. The cover is cartoon. It's not super offensive, but it is mildly offensive to some people. Sometimes, uh, let's see, yeah, my Instagram and my LinkedIn are probably the best way. And if you want to email me, it's just my first name.my, last name@gmail.com, yes, thank you.
Michael Hingson 1:00:55
Well, cool. Well, I want to thank you for being here, and I want to thank everyone for being here with us today and and observing this we've been going for over an hour. Can you believe it? What fun. Yeah, check the time. It's
Sadia Carone 1:01:09
Oh my gosh, you're right.
Michael Hingson 1:01:10
What can I say? Well, so and I want to thank you all for listening. I'd love to hear from you what. Tell me what you think about having Sadia on and what you think of what she had to say. I'd love to get your thoughts. Email me. Michael h i at accessibe, A, C, C, E, S, S, i, b, e.com, we'd love it if you'd give us a five star rating wherever you're listening to us and watching us, and please give us a review. We appreciate that. And for all of you, including you, Sadia, if you know anyone else who ought to be a guest on unstoppable mindset. Love to hear from you. Please introduce us. We're always looking for more people to to talk with and to have come on, because I think everyone has stuff to teach all of us. So we really appreciate that. But again, Saudi agree, yeah, but I want to thank you again for being here and just, I just want to tell you that we really appreciate it. Thank you for your time, and this has been a lot of fun.
Sadia Carone 1:02:08
Likewise, thank you so much. I could talk to you all day, but I know you have to go and do other things.
Michael Hingson 1:02:15
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Speaker 1 1:03:20
you.