Lisa begins a thought-provoking two-part conversation inspired by the well-known Nun Study of Aging and Alzheimer’s Disease. This landmark research followed 678 Catholic nuns from the School Sisters of Notre Dame and offered rare insight into aging, memory, brain health, and Alzheimer’s disease.
In Part 1, Lisa explores why the findings of the Nun Study were so surprising then and remain important today. The study revealed that some individuals showed significant Alzheimer’s-related brain changes, such as plaques and tangles, yet did not display obvious dementia symptoms during life. This raises an important question: Are we looking at dementia and Alzheimer’s disease too narrowly?
Lisa discusses how early-life education, language ability, writing complexity, positive emotional expression, physical activity, vascular health, and cognitive reserve may all play a role in how dementia symptoms appear, or sometimes do not appear, even when disease-related changes are present in the brain.
This episode helps listeners better understand that Alzheimer’s and dementia are not always as straightforward as a diagnosis, a brain scan, or one single explanation. The brain is complex, and so are the factors that influence memory, thinking, and aging.
In This Episode, Lisa Talks About:
- The background and purpose of the Nun Study
- Why the study was unique because of the participants’ similar lifestyles
- The role of plaques and tangles in Alzheimer’s disease
- Why some people with Alzheimer’s-type brain changes did not show dementia symptoms
- How education and lifelong learning may contribute to cognitive reserve
- The connection between early writing ability and later-life cognitive health
- The importance of positivity, emotional expression, and longevity
- The role of vascular health and “silent” strokes in dementia risk
- Why lifestyle, physical activity, social connection, and mental engagement matter
- How current research is expanding the way we understand Alzheimer’s disease
Key Takeaway
The Nun Study challenged the idea that brain changes alone determine whether someone will experience dementia symptoms. While amyloid plaques and tau tangles are important markers of Alzheimer’s disease, they do not tell the whole story. Cognitive reserve, vascular health, lifelong learning, social engagement, emotional well-being, and overall lifestyle may all influence how the disease shows up in a person’s life.
Why This Matters for Caregivers and Families
For families caring for someone living with dementia, this episode offers a deeper and more compassionate understanding of the disease. It reminds us that dementia is not simply one thing, caused by one factor, or experienced the same way by every person.
Understanding this can help caregivers move away from fear and confusion and toward a more informed, person-centered approach to care.
Resources Mentioned
- https://www.mindingdementiasummit.com/
- The Nun Study of Aging and Alzheimer’s Disease
- Research on cognitive reserve
- Research on amyloid plaques and tau tangles
- Information on vascular health and dementia risk
- Studies exploring education, language, positivity, and aging
Closing Thought
Dementia research continues to evolve, and the Nun Study remains one of the most important reminders that the human brain is far more complex than we once believed. Part 1 opens the door to a deeper conversation about diagnosis, prevention, and what it really means to understand Alzheimer’s disease.
About the Host:
Author Lisa Skinner is a behavioral specialist with expertise in Alzheimer’s disease and related dementia. In her 30+year career working with family members and caregivers, Lisa has taught them how to successfully navigate the many challenges that accompany this heartbreaking disease. Lisa is both a Certified Dementia Practitioner and is also a certified dementia care trainer through the Alzheimer’s Association. She also holds a degree in Human Behavior.
Her latest book, “Truth, Lies & Alzheimer’s – Its Secret Faces” continues Lisa’s quest of working with dementia-related illnesses and teaching families and caregivers how to better understand the daunting challenges of brain disease. Her #1 Best-seller book “Not All Who Wander Need Be Lost,” was written at their urging. As someone who has had eight family members diagnosed with dementia, Lisa Skinner has found her calling in helping others through the struggle so they can have a better-quality relationship with their loved ones through education and through her workshops on counter-intuitive solutions and tools to help people effectively manage the symptoms of brain disease. Lisa Skinner has appeared on many national and regional media broadcasts. Lisa helps explain behaviors caused by dementia, encourages those who feel burdened, and gives practical advice for how to respond.
So many people today are heavily impacted by Alzheimer's disease and related dementia. The Alzheimer's Association and the World Health Organization have projected that the number of people who will develop Alzheimer's disease by the year 2050 worldwide will triple if a treatment or cure is not found. Society is not prepared to care for the projected increase of people who will develop this devastating disease. In her 30 years of working with family members and caregivers who suffer from dementia, Lisa has recognized how little people really understand the complexities of what living with this disease is really like. For Lisa, it starts with knowledge, education, and training.
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Hello everybody, you have tuned in to The Truth,
Lisa Skinner:Lies, and Alzheimer's Show with me. I'm Lisa Skinner, your host.
Lisa Skinner:I have a special two-part episode prepared for everybody
Lisa Skinner:today. So, thanks for being here, and thanks for taking time
Lisa Skinner:out of your busy schedule to watch this important
Lisa Skinner:information. I appreciate all of you. So, the topic today for
Lisa Skinner:parts one and part two, which will air a week from two weeks
Lisa Skinner:from Sunday, are we diagnosing dementia? all wrong. This is the
Lisa Skinner:question I'm going to answer in this two-part series, and it's
Lisa Skinner:based on something that was brought to my attention decades
Lisa Skinner:ago. So I was actually made aware of what's called the nun
Lisa Skinner:study of aging and Alzheimer's disease many years ago, and the
Lisa Skinner:findings of this study completely baffled me then, and
Lisa Skinner:they actually still baffled me now. So I did a lot of research
Lisa Skinner:to see if there was any updated information on the findings in
Lisa Skinner:that study, which I will share with you in a minute, and yeah,
Lisa Skinner:I found updated information, so it's much more current than when
Lisa Skinner:the study findings were actually released, and I'm hoping that
Lisa Skinner:what I have discovered will answer some of the more obvious
Lisa Skinner:questions that certainly have lingered with me, and you know,
Lisa Skinner:maybe help with the confusion. So, what the Nunn study is, is
Lisa Skinner:it's an iconic longitudinal study of aging and dementia on a
Lisa Skinner:cohort, a group of 678 Catholic nuns from the School Sisters of
Lisa Skinner:Notre Dame. Now these participants consented to
Lisa Skinner:undergoing annual neuropsychological assessments,
Lisa Skinner:allowing researchers access to convent archives and medical
Lisa Skinner:records after post mortem, or after they passed away, they
Lisa Skinner:donated their brains for study, so highlights of the none study
Lisa Skinner:the uniform lifestyles of the participants, and that's why
Lisa Skinner:they chose the nones. It minimized potential other
Lisa Skinner:influencing factors of the findings of the study. Early
Lisa Skinner:life cognitive ability influence late life cognitive outcomes.
Lisa Skinner:Some of the participants with Alzheimer's disease pathology
Lisa Skinner:did not exhibit dementia. That's one of the things that baffles
Lisa Skinner:me. And then neuropathological comorbidities, in other words,
Lisa Skinner:other medical conditions that they may have had throughout the
Lisa Skinner:study were common and increased their risk of dementia. So, the
Lisa Skinner:beginning in an autopsy study published in 1907 Alois
Lisa Skinner:Alzheimer's first describe the amyloid beta plaques and
Lisa Skinner:neurofibrillary tangles that would come to define Alzheimer's
Lisa Skinner:disease. Then, in 1986 Dr. David Snowden began a pilot study with
Lisa Skinner:these school sisters of Notre Dame to investigate the
Lisa Skinner:relationship between education and age-related disorders. That
Lisa Skinner:was actually his objective. He found out so much more in this
Lisa Skinner:study. The Catholic Sisters of the Congregation, Dr. Snowden
Lisa Skinner:was able to leverage an environment similar to one that
Lisa Skinner:the sisters had shared for most of their adult lives to
Lisa Skinner:carefully examine the lifestyle factors that influenced their
Lisa Skinner:late life physical and cognitive function without many of the
Lisa Skinner:dissimilar factors that plague other similar studies of more
Lisa Skinner:heterogeneous populations, because their lifestyles were so
Lisa Skinner:similar. The results at the start of the study, all
Lisa Skinner:participants were between the age. Of 75 and 102 years old,
Lisa Skinner:the average being 83 years old, and all had similar backgrounds.
Lisa Skinner:All of them were born before 1917 All of them joined the
Lisa Skinner:school around the same time. Their communal living
Lisa Skinner:arrangements provided all the sisters with the same or similar
Lisa Skinner:housing, income, nutrition, and access to health care.
Lisa Skinner:Furthermore, members of the school had similar reproductive
Lisa Skinner:and marital histories, social and support networks, smoking
Lisa Skinner:history, and alcohol intake, these are all important factors
Lisa Skinner:in getting the most accurate results of studies like this.
Lisa Skinner:You don't have to factor out all the dissimilarities between the
Lisa Skinner:the people that are participating in these types of
Lisa Skinner:studies, the education of the nun study participants ranged
Lisa Skinner:from grade school to having doctorate degrees, but 85%
Lisa Skinner:attained at least a bachelor's degree, and 89% of the nuns were
Lisa Skinner:teachers at some point in their careers, about 678 of the total
Lisa Skinner:participants. Now, the participants were also
Lisa Skinner:predominantly Caucasian, and there were no significant
Lisa Skinner:differences found between participants and
Lisa Skinner:non-participants of the school's organization in demographic
Lisa Skinner:data, including country of birth, age, race, or annual
Lisa Skinner:mortality rate, writing, emotions, lifestyle, and
Lisa Skinner:cognition were one of the major findings from this nun study,
Lisa Skinner:and how the participants' lifestyle and education may
Lisa Skinner:actually deter Alzheimer's symptoms.
Lisa Skinner:Participants who had an education level of a bachelor's
Lisa Skinner:degree or higher were less likely to develop Alzheimer's
Lisa Skinner:disease later in life. They also lived longer than some of their
Lisa Skinner:colleagues who did not have at least a bachelor's degree
Lisa Skinner:education. Furthermore, the participants' word choice and
Lisa Skinner:vocabulary also correlated to the development of Alzheimer's
Lisa Skinner:disease, and among the documents reviewed were autobiographical
Lisa Skinner:essays that were written by the nuns upon joining the
Lisa Skinner:sisterhood, and then upon review it was found that an essay's
Lisa Skinner:lack of linguistic density, that's the term they use, for
Lisa Skinner:example, the complexity of the used the words they used in
Lisa Skinner:their writings, the vivacity, the fluency - these all actually
Lisa Skinner:functioned as a significant predictor of its author's risk
Lisa Skinner:for developing Alzheimer's disease in an in their older
Lisa Skinner:years. Now the study also found that the sisters who wrote
Lisa Skinner:positively in their personal journals were much more likely
Lisa Skinner:to live longer than their counterparts. Three indicators
Lisa Skinner:of long life were found when coding the sisters'
Lisa Skinner:autobiographies, they were the number of positive sentences,
Lisa Skinner:the number of positive words, and the variety of positive
Lisa Skinner:emotions that they conveyed and used. The less positivity in
Lisa Skinner:writing ended up correlating with greater mortality. Well,
Lisa Skinner:there were many variables in this study that was unable to
Lisa Skinner:glean from their autobiographies of the sisters, such as
Lisa Skinner:long-term hopefulness or bleakness in one's personality,
Lisa Skinner:their optimism towards life, their pessimism, their
Lisa Skinner:ambitions, and other variables. And then the average age of the
Lisa Skinner:nuns who began writing their autobiographies was 22 years
Lisa Skinner:old. Now some of the participants who used more
Lisa Skinner:advanced words in their autobiographies had less
Lisa Skinner:symptoms of Alzheimer's in their older years. Roughly 80% of the
Lisa Skinner:nuns whose writing was measured as lacking in linguistic density
Lisa Skinner:did go on to develop Alzheimer's disease in their older years,
Lisa Skinner:and meanwhile of those. Whose writing was not lacking, only
Lisa Skinner:10% later developed the disease. This was found when researchers
Lisa Skinner:examined neuropathology after the nuns passed away, confirming
Lisa Skinner:that most of those who had a low idea density did have
Lisa Skinner:Alzheimer's disease, and most of those with high density did not.
Lisa Skinner:Snowden found that exercise was inversely correlated with
Lisa Skinner:development of Alzheimer's disease. We've talked about on
Lisa Skinner:many of Truth, Lies, and Alzheimer's episodes showing
Lisa Skinner:that participants who engaged in some sort of daily exercise were
Lisa Skinner:more likely to retain their cognitive abilities during their
Lisa Skinner:aging process. Participants who started exercising later in life
Lisa Skinner:were more likely to retain cognitive abilities even if they
Lisa Skinner:had not exercised before, that's optimistic and very encouraging.
Lisa Skinner:So conclusions and further research now overall in these
Lisa Skinner:findings of the Nunn study, it indicated multiple factors
Lisa Skinner:concerning expression of Alzheimer's traits. The data
Lisa Skinner:primarily stated that age and disease do not always guarantee
Lisa Skinner:impaired cognitive ability, and that traits in early, mid, and
Lisa Skinner:later life do have strong relationships with the risk of
Lisa Skinner:Alzheimer's disease, as well as the mental and cognitive
Lisa Skinner:disabilities of old age. Another finding is that in postmortem
Lisa Skinner:MRI research, they have also used the autopsy data to
Lisa Skinner:determine that there is a relationship. Now, I found this
Lisa Skinner:really amazing. There is a relationship between the number
Lisa Skinner:of teeth that an individual has at death with how likely they
Lisa Skinner:were to have had dementia. Those with fewer teeth were more
Lisa Skinner:likely to have dementia while they were living, and because,
Lisa Skinner:and also a lot of them who were showing no signs of dementia,
Lisa Skinner:but may have had plaques and tangles that were definitely in
Lisa Skinner:their brains upon autopsy had built up a much stronger
Lisa Skinner:cognitive reserve due to their educational level, so the study
Lisa Skinner:proved that the brain can exhibit severe physical signs of
Lisa Skinner:Alzheimer's disease, such as plaques and tangles, without the
Lisa Skinner:individual ever displaying dementia symptoms. High
Lisa Skinner:education and active mental engagement build reserve. We
Lisa Skinner:also call this neuroplasticity, early linguistic ability. So the
Lisa Skinner:researchers analyzed the autobiographical essays that the
Lisa Skinner:nuns wrote in their youth around 17 to 22 years old, they found
Lisa Skinner:that those with the idea density and grammatical complexity in
Lisa Skinner:early adulthood were strongly linked to a lower risk of
Lisa Skinner:developing Alzheimer's disease decades later. In terms of
Lisa Skinner:vascular health, the postmortem results, or after-death results,
Lisa Skinner:revealed that small, often clinically silent strokes that
Lisa Skinner:some of them were experiencing in life dramatically compounded
Lisa Skinner:the damage of Alzheimer's disease, making vascular health,
Lisa Skinner:which is controlling blood pressure and preventing obesity,
Lisa Skinner:a major factor in staving off dementia.
Lisa Skinner:The non nuns who expressed more positive emotions and had higher
Lisa Skinner:levels of optimism in their early life. The writings tended
Lisa Skinner:to live significantly longer. So, the nun study fundamentally
Lisa Skinner:changed how the medical community views Alzheimer's by
Lisa Skinner:highlighting that the disease does have roots stretching all
Lisa Skinner:the way back to early life education and linguistic habits.
Lisa Skinner:It sparked global research into building cognitive. Reserve and
Lisa Skinner:maintaining blood vessel health as ways to protect the aging
Lisa Skinner:brain. So, here are the key findings about memory and aging.
Lisa Skinner:Many of the nuns remained mentally sharp well into old
Lisa Skinner:age, even as their body showed aging signs, the cognitive
Lisa Skinner:decline varied widely among the sisters. Some stayed mentally
Lisa Skinner:alert much longer than average. The role of early life factors
Lisa Skinner:showed that people who had higher early life education and
Lisa Skinner:verbal ability tended to show better memory and thinking
Lisa Skinner:skills, also later in their lives. Also, a strong vocabulary
Lisa Skinner:and reading level in youth were linked to clearer thinking in
Lisa Skinner:their older age, that brain health and in the aging process,
Lisa Skinner:where some brains showed Alzheimer's type changes again
Lisa Skinner:upon autopsy, they found plaques and tangles in some of the
Lisa Skinner:sisters who had not shown any symptoms of dementia from
Lisa Skinner:Alzheimer's disease, or what are the other brain diseases that
Lisa Skinner:causes dementia, and conversely, some of the nuns, they didn't
Lisa Skinner:find any plaques and tangles, but they were symptomatic and
Lisa Skinner:showed mild to severe signs of Alzheimer's disease and related
Lisa Skinner:dementia, so without any corresponding memory problems
Lisa Skinner:during their life, and this suggests that other factors
Lisa Skinner:definitely influence whether those changes affect thinking
Lisa Skinner:again. Other showed no plaques and tangles, and many did
Lisa Skinner:display a variety of cognitive decline to some degree. So, the
Lisa Skinner:study highlighted that brain aging is not determined by brain
Lisa Skinner:changes alone. How one's brain organizes and uses information
Lisa Skinner:also matters in terms of health and lifestyle clues. Physical
Lisa Skinner:health, good social networks, and engaging mental activities
Lisa Skinner:were associated with better cognitive aging, a habit of
Lisa Skinner:lifelong learning and staying socially active appear
Lisa Skinner:protective for thinking skills. So, what really does this mean
Lisa Skinner:in simple terms? And it's very consistent with what research
Lisa Skinner:has shown us, and I talk about it often in these episodes that
Lisa Skinner:being mentally engaged, educated early on, and socially connected
Lisa Skinner:can help you stay sharper as you age, even if your brain shows
Lisa Skinner:some typical aging changes. Brain changes link to aging or
Lisa Skinner:diseases don't always predict how well someone thinks or
Lisa Skinner:remembers later. Lifestyles and lifelong habits play a huge
Lisa Skinner:role. And then finally, here is a recently updated summary of
Lisa Skinner:the key ideas that were shown about amyloid plaques, tau
Lisa Skinner:tangles, and what current research is now saying about
Lisa Skinner:Alzheimer's disease. One of the questions that the scientific
Lisa Skinner:community is still trying to figure out, what are the main
Lisa Skinner:brain changes in Alzheimer's disease. Well, they think that
Lisa Skinner:the two biggest clues that they are looking for are amyloid
Lisa Skinner:plaques and tau tangles. These amyloid plaques are sticky bits
Lisa Skinner:that build up outside the brain cells, and the tau tangles are
Lisa Skinner:twisted fibers that form inside the brain, and together with
Lisa Skinner:nerve cell damage and brain cell death, these changes lead to
Lisa Skinner:memory problems and trouble thinking. Another question, do
Lisa Skinner:plaques actually cause Alzheimer's disease? Well, the
Lisa Skinner:answer is, it's still complicated in people with
Lisa Skinner:certain genetic forms of the disease. Amyloid plaques seem to
Lisa Skinner:start the process in most people who get Alzheimer's disease
Lisa Skinner:later in life. Plaques are a risk factor and may help kick.
Lisa Skinner:Things off, but they don't explain everything, and that is
Lisa Skinner:why the results of the nun study was so baffling. Why would some
Lisa Skinner:have plaques and tangles and no symptoms, and vice versa? Now
Lisa Skinner:the tau tangles tend to line up more closely with how bad the
Lisa Skinner:symptoms are as the disease progresses, so many researchers
Lisa Skinner:think Alzheimer's is not caused by one thing alone, but by
Lisa Skinner:several factors working together. Question, what does
Lisa Skinner:current research say about amyloid plaques, and the answer
Lisa Skinner:is that these plaques often appear before symptoms even
Lisa Skinner:begin to show and raise the risk of developing dementia. Some
Lisa Skinner:studies suggest that smaller, soluble forms of amyloid are
Lisa Skinner:especially harmful to brain connections and thinking, as
Lisa Skinner:well as many of the older people have plaques, but don't show
Lisa Skinner:symptoms of dementia or never develop it at all, which means
Lisa Skinner:that plaques are not the whole story. What about tau tangles?
Lisa Skinner:Well, tau tangles are more tightly linked to how severe
Lisa Skinner:memory and thinking problems are, especially as the disease
Lisa Skinner:advances. The tau seems to spread through the brain in a
Lisa Skinner:pattern that follows connected brain networks. So researchers
Lisa Skinner:are testing therapies aimed at stopping tau from spreading, and
Lisa Skinner:so, how are doctors diagnosing and treating it now? Diagnosis,
Lisa Skinner:current diagnosis, we are now able to use biomarkers like
Lisa Skinner:tests in spinal fluid or blood tests, and in more sophisticated
Lisa Skinner:brain scans that detect plaques and or tangles, or both, to
Lisa Skinner:identify the disease earlier and track its progression.
Lisa Skinner:Treatments that remove or neutralize amyloid have shown
Lisa Skinner:mixed results. They may help some people if started early.
Lisa Skinner:So, treatments targeting tau, inflammation, and blood vessel
Lisa Skinner:health are also being studied, often in combination with
Lisa Skinner:anti-amyloid approaches. The big idea is to start treatment early
Lisa Skinner:and tailor it to each individual person's biology and applied
Lisa Skinner:risk factors, and so that wraps up part one of our we diagnosing
Lisa Skinner:dementia all wrong. So we will be airing part two in about two
Lisa Skinner:weeks, so hopefully you'll catch both episodes, because this is
Lisa Skinner:really, really important information, and it's, it's kind
Lisa Skinner:of like a breakthrough now in what we believe and what we
Lisa Skinner:understand about what causes Alzheimer's disease, and we can
Lisa Skinner:thank the Nunn Study for kind of, you know, setting the tone
Lisa Skinner:for realizing that it's not what we may have originally thought.
Lisa Skinner:So we'll see you next week for this episode, and then in two
Lisa Skinner:weeks for part two of Are We Diagnosing Dementia All Wrong.
Lisa Skinner:I'm Lisa Skinner, your host of The Truth, Lies, and Alzheimer's
Lisa Skinner:Show. And hope you all have a great rest of your week, and
Lisa Skinner:I'll see you next time. Bye bye.

