What Your Astrology Reveals About Love, Purpose and Who You Really Are With Amrit Sandhu

You ever found that place where you 150 million percent

belonged, and they just sort of they they get it's almost rude

to do that to them. It's almost rude to do that to them, right?

And so then they start looking for like oh, and now with this

maturity, self permission. So oh okay, so maybe just maybe

belonging is a whole you know 10,000 hours of personal

development mastery. Your astrological chart is hundreds

of 1000s of hours of soul-based mastery, right? And so you're

spending all this time having a look at like what your

placements are, and you go instead of spending all this

time filling the void, yeah, with all these pseudo things.

Let's understand the nature of the void, right? And go. Oh, so

belonging's a thing for me. I'm always going to be yearning for

deeper and deeper levels of belonging and more belonging

because of this particular placement, because of Cancer.

And it's like, right? Okay, so maybe I can just give myself

permission, and this opens up into one of my deepest loves of

astrology, which is shadow work through the lens of astrology.

Hello, my loves! Welcome to this unbelievably

exciting episode. I am over the moon excited to share this

beautiful being with you. This man who has an amazing podcast

you have to check out called Inspired Evolution. It's really

the only one I listen to. Occasionally, listen to a few of

your friends' ones, like Andre, and but yours is the best of the

best. And I discovered Amrit and Inspired Evolution maybe a year

ago, and this man is like I I listen to your podcast because

of the the being that you are the the the light that you are

how deeply connected and curious and loving and like you're

you're I I can't even put it towards what your podcast does

for me I mean like I share I shared with you that episode

with Betty how that activated something so deep in me, my

whole immersion in Greece. We just kept talking about that

episode. No one had seen it, but I was like, it just activated. I

feel like my spirituality on a deeper level. The guests that he

has on are next level, and we're talking like Bruce Lipton and

Joe Dispenza and the best of the best astrologers and you know

near death experience people and it's just such a wide range. But

what it's done for me, I feel like it's deepened my connection

to my divinity, and I feel like that's what the planet needs

right now more than ever. And you are the brightest light.

This watching Amra light up every time. He's just so

connected on the interviews. He's has the biggest heart, and

yeah, I just can't wait for you to see his podcast if you

haven't before. And I'm so honored to have you here. I've

had two astrology readings with Amrat. I've had I don't know 100

astrology readings over the past 20 years, and these were the

best readings I've ever had. I've never felt more seen, more

celebrated. You celebrate. I mean, that's that's it. That's

what you do, like both in your interviews and in your astrology

readings. Like I felt like, whoa! Like how cool is my soul?

And you know, today this this episode is all about love and

relationships and astrology, but the new truth style, and you

know I feel like you are the you are the person to usher us into

what does that even mean? Love and relationships connected to

our astrology and and the magic of our souls. You really live

from the magic of your soul now, and it's felt all over the

world, and you're making such an impact living from that place.

So, hi, welcome

to the new truth. Touch wood. There's the laugh. There's

the laugh fest so much. Touch wood. Thank you so much. Yeah,

it's an absolute honor to be here, and the honor to be here.

And yeah, I mean, it. Yeah, I feel very honored. It means a

lot. Use the word "seen" and "celebrated, and I think just to

be received so fully for one's work. I mean, there's a total

prayer in there for people. I mean, to you know, do work that

you love and to be fully received for it. It's one thing

to do it, and then also another thing to be received for it.

It's touch wood, touch wood. It's such an incredible

blessings, and yeah, it meant so much to me that you started your

birthday off with an astrology reading. Yeah, like I said, like

it's interesting that people will get on their birthdays like

a solar return reading, and yeah, I mean you'll dive in and

understand the energetics of the year and what the year has in

store for us, and it's always a very fascinating read because

each chart's unique. But then to just feel into the energetics of

like you know you starting your birthday. With an astrology

reading and a solar return reading, that just meant a lot

to me as a brother to another sister to yeah just be a part

of. So thank you so much again. It was um yeah a real treat.

Thank you so much for having me

here.

Well, I'm gonna seed right now that everyone

every one of you should get a solar return reading on your

every one of you should have a reading with Amrit. Period,

especially if you're ready for more meaning in your life, more

love, more soul, more purpose, like I feel like purpose is the

thing everyone's searching for right now, because obviously the

planet is changing very fast, and people are starting to feel

so out of alignment with corporate jobs and with doing

things that aren't lighting them up and bringing joy to their

lives, and having a reading with Amrit, like astrology is the

blueprint of your soul, and human design is the blueprint of

your soul, and these they're these these incredibly ancient.

I mean, astrology is the most ancient communication language

on planet Earth, and I mean, I've learned this from watching

your channel and and learning from all the amazing astrlogies.

But it's an ancient language. It's like in the pyramids, which

you and I are both going to Egypt a year apart. It is in the

pyramids, the the the the language of astrology. It's so

ancient, and the world is finally waking up to it, you

know, like astrology has been. It was only what 10 years ago

that people were like, "Oh, that's like ridiculous, as if

that's real. Where people thought astrology was just

horoscopes and whatever's in the newspaper that talks about your

sun sign, and that people thought astrology was just sun

signs. And I feel like because of podcasts like yours,

astrology is becoming mainstream, and people are

waking up to it and learning about it. And to me, it was-it

has been the greatest permission giver and tool to reflect. I

wish for every woman on planet Earth, human, but women

listening to this episode, but especially women. I mean, okay,

men are hard on themselves too. But this-this, you know, my work

is is dedicated to women. I just think of how, like, growing up

in a patriarchal world where women are so confused about who

we are and what we're supposed to be, and we had to strap on

man suits in order to shatter glass ceilings in order to get

to where we are with our rights in the world, and we've lost so

many parts of ourselves. And to come home to yourself through

the through the lens of astrology, there's nothing in my

life greater that led me to my purpose and my my gifts and like

actually loving myself and being able to receive love in my life

and all of like it's it's literally the to me one of the

greatest answers to awakening who we are. So that's how I feel

about astrology and you.

Thank you so much, Kate, for your incredibly, incredibly

kind words. Appreciate you so much. Thank you so much for the

love. Yeah, really, really appreciate the love. And yeah,

it's so mutual from one brother to another sister. It's so epic.

I, yeah. yeah, there's a there's there's a deep thread in there

that I'd love to pull on. There was so much to open up into

there, but there's a piece that you mentioned, which is one of

my first loves with astrology as well. Self permission, self

permission. I actually own the domain self permission

astrology.com because I loved the just the permission slip

that it gives you so deeply. There's nothing there itself.

Permissionastrology. com, by the way. I just went and got the

domain because it meant so much to me. So don't go looking for

Amber over there. It's just AmberSandy.com doing my thing.

But yeah, the it's just it's so incredible. So much of my-I

mean, you mentioned the word purpose as well. Almost like for

a full decade before astrology opened up, I'd been a purpose

coach. Yeah, and then it was interestingly, I went through

like an astrological transit, at which like astrology came

through, and I was like, "Oh, what do I need to get through

this transit? Astrology itself. Wait, what? This is trippy. So

it was an incredible shift, but up until that point, even being

within personal development, personal growth, spiritual

development, spiritual growth, we end up shooting on ourselves.

I don't know how else to say this. We should on ourselves so

hard, and sometimes these things that are trying to help are just

another should. It's just like they're shooting on you too.

It's like make sure you wake up and do this every morning, and

make sure you wake up and do that every morning, and wake

sure in the evening before you do. And you end up with one of

my friends, Leon Hendricks. He had this incredible. He's taken

the video down off the internet, but he used to be on YouTube. He

had this video of his morning ritual, yeah, and it was a

parody, and he basically started his morning ritual, and it

started at four a.m. Classic, and then went all the way

through. And by the time it finished, it was 11 p.m. And

then he had to get some rest for the next day. And he was looking

at his sleep optimized calendar. It's like he didn't have enough

sleep for the optimizing of his sleep because he had spent the

whole day in his morning ritual. Anyway, I thought that was

pretty funny, but to the point, like we end up shooting on

ourselves so hard. Sometimes with the best of intentions,

sometimes with the best intentions of our loved ones,

yeah. But astrology it gives us this incredible piece to look at

our different placements, who we are, and go, oh, okay, like an

easy example, yeah. I mean, like you can take a look at. Let's

take a look at cancer, for example, right? So cancers,

their whole thing is all about belonging. Their whole thing's

about belonging, but they may spend their whole life feeling

like they don't belong. Yeah, and so now you can easily go and

see, and you can't even blame Cancerians for like looking for

their community, looking for their tribe, and not feeling

like they're in the right place. Like this is, you know, and

you'd be very justified in like feeling the void and wanting to

plug it. Absolutely, like why wouldn't you? That's human,

yeah. But if you look through the lens of astrology and you

take a look, and he goes. Actually, belonging is something

that I'm a master at, and I gift to everybody as part of my

being. Yeah, but also it's almost like I'm the tree that

doesn't get to taste its like own fruit. Yeah, so I get this

incredible opportunity to afford everybody belong. Everybody

feels these are the types of people that make organizations

feel like homes. You turn the house into a home. These are

incredible people in terms of making people feel like they

belong. But astrology is all about polarities, and you go,

"Hey, Cancerian, you ever found that place where you 150 million

percent belong to? And they just sort of they they get. It's

almost rude to do that to them.

It's almost rude to do that to them, right? And so then they

start looking for like, oh, and now with this maturity, self

permission, right? It's like, oh, okay, so maybe, just maybe,

belonging is a whole, you know, 10,000 hours of personal

development mastery. Your astrological chart is hundreds

of 1000s of hours of soul-based mastery, right? And so you're

spending all this time having a look at like what your

placements are, and you go instead of spending much time

filling the void, yeah, with all these pseudo things, let's

understand the nature of the void, right? And go, oh, so

belonging's a thing for me. I'm always going to be yearning for

deeper and deeper levels of belonging and more belonging

because of this particular placement, because of Cancer,

and it's like right, okay, so maybe I can just give myself

permission, and this opens up into one of my deepest loves of

astrology, which is shadow work through the lens of astrology.

Yeah, like I, I never knew that shadow work. Like for me,

obviously, I've drunk the Kool-Aid, so I need to be

mindful of that. But it's up there with inner child work as

like the creme de la creme for inner shadow, like inner inner

child shadow, like for shadow work. Why? Because if you take a

look at it now, all of a sudden, with that self permission, you

start to again be very mindful. Don't let me program shadows in

for you. Yeah, you guys need to be in your seat of your

sovereignty and feel into what resonates with you. But like, if

you feel into the shadow and go. Actually, this sounds resonant.

All of a sudden, you don't have to fill it, and then you can

sort of start to accept. Oh, okay. So this is one of the

shadows that I carry. Touch wood. Okay. Now it's it's it's

only a shadow because there's a gift on the other side.

Astrology is a map for duality, right? So our soul probably

comes from a non-dual space, don't know where that is. Yeah,

I've been interviewing people about this sort of stuff for a

while now. It's a lot of conjectures, but in this

reality, once you're in this reality, it's a dual space and

duality. Astrology is a map for duality. It's all polarities and

stuff like this. Yes, if you can take a look, oh, I've got these

incredible gifts, but I've also got this, and ah, this is the

cost of having these gifts, right? That's quite a

spiritually mature conversation. Now I don't have to go plugging

that, and I can go. Okay, maybe I'm not going to always feel

like I belong, says the Cancerian. Okay, can I make my

peace? Can I allow that feeling to belong within me, and all of

a sudden, my unbelonging, my disbelonging, my non-belonging,

kind of has a home within me. Now your psyche goes, wait, what

just happened? Yeah, but this is this is spiritual matters. This

is how they work. Yeah, and this is spiritual shadow work. It's

so, so self permission, as you alluded to, huge, huge piece

that astrology affords us that we don't need to then, because

otherwise we spend and we still do. Like I'm an astrologer, I

still am probably there's unseen patterns in there where I'm

still trying to fill holes. But the more voids we become aware

of, and that's not all astrology is. Yeah, like to your point,

purpose. You can have a look at all your placements and what's

up and what's coming and what's next. But this was just one of

the deepest threads that you touched on that was self

permission at the beginning, that I just wanted to revel in

with you as well because it's a really, really deep point. Touch

me.

It's like it's like a deep understanding of self,

and there's something I was watching an interview. Is

actually not with you with, with someone else. It was your

teacher, though, Deborah. Yeah,

Deborah Silverman. She's um she's a total fairy

godmother.

Yes, she's magical. And I had I was watching. So it

YouTube suggested it because I'd seen her on yours, and she was

talking about the elements, and she she just said something. It

was based on her latest book, I think, and she said something

that I was like, "Oh, I've shared. I've repeated it to so

many of my clients because it's not just about understanding

yourself deeply. And by the way, if you're new to astrology, this

is why you need a reading. You are not your sun sign. There's

so much more to your chart, and you have many signs and many. So

it's you. You will understand yourself so much, like the the

light, the gifts, and the shadow sides as you're talking about in

all different areas of your life. Like it's there's so much

there to explore, but she was talking about the elements and

how it helped her have more compassion for people in her

family. It's like, oh, my brother's cries all the time

because he's got a lot of water in his chart. Oh, my dad's

really angry. Shadow side of a lot of fire. Oh, this person

takes up all the airtime in the room and talks, talks, talks

because they have a lot of air. Oh, this person's really

stubborn. They got a lot of earth, and so it's like

understanding the shadow of the different signs. You you start

to understand not just yourself and have more acceptance. I

think comes with the understanding of your shadow,

like the Cancerian, and the desire of deep desire for

belonging because you're meant for it. And also, if you don't

have it within yourself and in your community, you'll feel that

longing. So it's like having the understanding of that for

yourself is going to allow you to have much more compassion and

love for you, but also for everyone in your life.

Big time, big time, yeah. And just like I mean, it it

allows you to settle, you know. It allows you to settle because

then you're not scanning and searching, and you know, you're

and like we can talk about so many things that it opens up

from them. Like you're, I mean, in some ways, we're trying to

get you to accept your lack, but at the same time, then you're

not actually no longer lacking. It's a weird, trippy thing that

it's like again for the psyche to comprehend. But I mean, it's

like you're actually whole, you know. And it's just like you're

actually whole. That's just, you know, and you can come into some

level of wholeness, and you go, oh, I can, I can rest. I

actually don't have to spend all this energy expenditure doing

this, doing that. I mean, I know you wanted to talk about

relationships today. There's a whole thing about looking for

people, but I mean, should I? Do you want me to share a little

bit?

Yes, yes. One

of the interesting things I found is I, as a as a purpose

coach for a better part of a decade, I actually didn't like

doing because purpose coach actually overlaps a lot with

life coaching. So people bring their whole life to their

purpose coaching generally because it's a matter of dharma,

right? And so yeah, there'd be this interesting. At certain

points, certain clients would have stuff come up in

relationships that you know they would bring to the space, and

you'd have to like we'd want to work through it together. Now

they were really eager to work through it, and I would always

have a reluctance. I always always have a reluctance, and

they being you know coaching and intimate, it's like you know

they're like you know they could some of them could tell, and I'd

have to explain myself by ways that I find it very difficult

doing relationship coaching when I'm not a relationship coach way

back when because only 1/3 of the relationship is actually

here. I'm speaking to one person. There's another person

that's in this relationship, and then there's a third entity that

is the relationship, and only you are here. It's like if we're

going to enact change, influence transformation. Like, how are we

going to do that with just you know we don't have a lot of

leverage, but obviously this is all we've got, so we'll work

through it because you know obviously we're not going to not

work through it. So we work through it, but it just there

was always that frustration until I came to astrology. Now I

love relationship readings. So in order to do a relationship

reading, you need your chart, you need your partner's chart,

and then there's the third chart. I make it four because

I'm an engineer and I like to just do things over the top all

the time. But because basically there's your chart, there's

their chart, and then it's what your chart looks like overlaid

on their chart, but then you can also pull pull out what your

chart their the inverse of that basically, and you can look at

all four charts. But you know those two charts comprise one.

But you're actually sitting with three different conversations.

This is who I am. This is who this person is. And when they

come together, they activate this in this person. And oh, I

can see the tension there, right? That makes sense, right?

It's like, oh, but my, oh wow, the the person that I am matters

too, like deeply to your emotional sense of well being.

Like you can see that in a chart, yeah. Like it's

incredible, and so that's and now you can start to see where

you guys should double down on, where you shouldn't. So.

Astrology, even in just the way it frames the relationship

conversation, in my opinion, is like there's something of note

in there, right? Because it's like very honoring of like the

individuality that's required fully, which is something that I

know you deeply champion, right? Like you're a massive advocate

for to fully like bring that online to the best of your

ability to then overlay and connect, right? And just to sort

of open up a loose tangent. I mean, one of my one of the signs

that you know of is Aquarius has um my word for Aquarius is

potential touchwood, right? So Aquarius is beings of potential,

and the number of Aquarians that like have sat and reading, and

we've talked about the relationship dynamics. I wish I

knew this 30 years ago. Is so Aquarius is all about potential.

It's obsessed with potential. It loves potential. It's

innovative. It's visionary. Yeah, my favorite word. One of

my favorite words for Aquarius is avant-garde, ahead of your

time. Yeah, it's how Aquarians feel, and one of the things

you'll find is they'll get into relationships with another

person, falling in love with the potential of that person because

they're so wired for potential.

It's so easy to do; like you can't even fault them for doing

that. It's like you're Aquarian, like you're all about potential.

So you fell in love with the potential of who this. You you

found a fix me up, era. You found a project. How great for

you! In some ways, until it's not, and it gets tiring on you

and wears on you. And what about the other person that's made to

feel like a project the whole time? How they going?

Not the best, huh? But all is

not lost. Now we've learned something. Now we've

learned something. Remember the third entity. Remember the third

entity. Put your focus there. Put your focus there. Believe in

the potential of the relationship. Don't find someone

who you need. Like me, this person's whole, this person's

whole, and together there's a potential relate, and that

relationship has a lot of potential. Okay, Aquarian, did

you see how you came online? That's what's up, yeah. So

understanding can really, really help. Really, really help in

that light. I mean, I could do many more examples, but I'll

give it. I'll stop.

Maybe we'll. No, I love it. Maybe we'll touch on a

little bit of all of them if we can. But I, um, I, yeah. As you

were talking, I was picturing all the Aquarians. I know I'm

like, uh huh, that makes sense. And just thinking how how crazy

it. Okay, so in my experience, most most women I've coached

over the years, and there's been hundreds and hundreds, 1000s, if

I include my business coaching. And I think of all the

relationships that I've unpacked. I mostly work with

divorced women, not always, but a lot of divorced women. Some

married women, some never been married but wanting it. And how

crazy it is that most people's blueprint for relationships is

dating from their patterns, or relating from their patterns, or

being married from their patterns. Right? Like self,

someone self-sacrificing. One person's controlling. One

person's the mom. One person's the kid. One person's the

teenager. Yeah, filling the

holes that we were discussing earlier. Filling the

holes. We're just looking into each other. Fill each other's

holes.

Exactly in the shadow. And I'm like, wow. Every

as you're talking, just thinking what a gift it would be inside

of a relationship to have a deep understanding of your own chart

in relationship. How you are, you're not just in relationship

in your life, of course. So you can be feeding your soul in all

the ways, which of course feeds relationship, but also to deeply

understand your partner's chart. So you stop looking because one

of the biggest mistakes that I see people make in relationship

is they get-I mean, I don't think it's just Aquarius's-they

get into relationship and and and there's a connection or

there's something that they like about the person, whether it's a

superficial thing or it. But there's something that's amazing

in the beginning, and then they try and mold that person into

their ideal partner, as opposed to seek to understand them. And

so that's another huge gift of knowing your chart, and then and

then learning about someone else's. Very

practical.

This is another course you should do. Actually,

I'm thinking a couple's astrology course where they

learn each other's charts, and then they and then they are able

to create a different paradigm, the new paradigm of relationship

from celebrating who each other are and having awareness of the

shadow sides of all their signs and and they're like when you if

you know each other's chart intimately I mean I think I have

that with my best friends and we understand like oh yeah there's

your Leo. Oh, that's your chart. Like, there's such a deep

understanding of each other because we also know each

other's charts. Like, all my friends celebrate the Leoness of

me because of my Leo rising, and they, and when I'm in my smaller

self because it's also my North Node Leo, they they'll call me

to rise and remind me this is where you're going. You're like

being. More and more of the Leo, whatever, and so it's like such

a cool part. I've never actually thought about this before, but

all of my friends intimately know their charts, and we have

each other on the pattern, and we so it it makes our friendship

so expansive, and so imagine to having that in a romantic

relationship. What a gift!

It's incredible. It's absolutely incredible, and you

can look at your complementary placements and what works really

well, and you'll just like it's just it's more fun, and you let

each other off the hook on stuff as well. It's like oh, I can let

you go on that one. Like you're never quite gonna, you know,

like be the one to I don't know, just an example. It's probably

my wife's voice. Pick up all the socks all the time, you know,

and just be like, "Oh, I see what's going on there, you know,

and just you know, and and also like this is one of those

beautiful things. Like it actually, I feel called to

poetically just inject in, you know, the Rumi quote: The cracks

are where the light gets in, you know. And again, as we afford

that self permission to ourselves, it sort of gives us

the opportunity to afford that self permission to the other as

well, and to be seen, to be held, to be witnessed, you know.

And and like actually, those little cracky bits are like, you

know, like here's here's an example from our home. My wife

loves having having the heater on really high, and I'm like, it

doesn't need to be so high, yeah, and it doesn't need to be

so high on for so long. And then the other day, I realized

nothing's changing despite me chatting to her about it, and so

I said to her, I was like, is this the same as my hot long

showers, and she goes. It's exactly the same. Yeah, I just

realized. I just realized. Okay, you know, there's gonna be

things about each other that we just learn to, you know, like

accept. You know, she's a total environmentalarian. Yeah, like

she just for her and like me sticking around the shower

longer than I need to. Why, you know? But at the same time,

she's learned to accept that this is a thing that really, you

know, like Amrit loves is having a nice hot shower, decompressing

at the beaten dab, right? Taurus rising very much. So, beginning

of the day, end of the day, just you know, chill. And so, yeah.

But we we learn to understand each other, and then astrology

gives us the opportunity to do that, right? Like it gives you

the opportunity to look at, oh, this person's really good at

this, and this person's, you know, I think it's actually like

a it's like a whole societal dysfunction. If I don't want to

get too well into that corner, but I mean, yeah, I mean the new

like this nuclear family living thing is a really interesting

thing where one person is also expected to be this other

person's everything. I don't think that's normal, man. I

really don't think that's normal. We're meant to be in a

village. Like there's meant to be heaps of cool people doing

heaps of cool things together. I'm like totally about

community. So yeah, I just I find that that's really intense.

And once you start to understand each other's chart, at the very

least, to your point, you can sort of see what strengths you

guys bring, yeah, and where even some of the challenges are, and

actually be like, I actually kind of really, it's really

sweet that you're like that. You know, that's like an

idiosyncrasy of yours that only you would know, yeah, yeah, and

that's kind of what actually bonds us in some ways-our

vulnerabilities too, right? Like, is there's a lot of yeah,

there's a lot of goodness in understanding each other's

strengths and also each other's weaknesses as well.

Yeah, yeah, it's it's the I mean, it's the best

self inquiry tool. So, will you tell us a little bit of your

story? I'd love to hear both in your purpose and your

relationship life, like what life was like before you knew

who your the blueprint of your soul before you awakened all

these amazing aspects of you, and like what was what was Amrit

like before astrology, before your podcast, before you being

on your mission, and and life life now like what what has

changed for you and because I think this is so important you

know love and relationships everything is is an inside job

and we're seeking love outside of ourselves but the more we

come home to who we really are the more we feel love and we

expand into the love that we are and the more we attract amazing

relationships. So, like that-that's-that's why I'm such

an advocate for astrology because astrology is the gateway

to that. So, would love to hear what your journey was like to

awakening who you really are.

Yeah, it's um, it's a long story and a long journey,

but. Baby, we got time.

We're only 30 minutes. We got time. Okay.

Well, the Inspired Evolution podcast itself was

birthed out of my career misalignments of all things. I

look at my journey. There's been two. Very clear, dark nights of

the mind. I call them dark nights of the mind because we've

had teachers on the podcast which have said, "I'm blanking

on the name, but yeah, they came on the podcast and said,

"There's there's no dark night of the soul. Your soul doesn't

go dark. The mind goes dark. Your soul carries you through

it. Yeah, and I was like, oh, that's that's a really important

point. So I call them dark nights of the mind. But many of

the audience may identify the disease as dark nights of the

soul, but dark nights of the mind. So yeah, one of the first

ones. The second one was the career misalignment, which gave

birth to the inspired evolution, the first one was actually I

struggled Touchwood for a long while there six years of of

depression, and it was an interesting time. It was a bit

of the fishbowl effect. Like you don't know actually with poor

mental health when you're in poor mental health. I remember

that much. Actually, you just think everybody else is

operating from a similar space, doing the best they can with

where they're at, and a lot of my life broke down over the

course of that period to the point where you know, growing

up, going to school, I was like, you know, I was always, and I

mean, how else do you say this? I was an Indian boy growing up

in Western education. It was just like I was, I was good with

numbers, good with physics, good with science. Was always you

know academically doing quite soundly. Let's put it that way.

And then yeah, I mean, I at some point got asked to leave

university. I lost a lot of my friends. My girlfriend wanted to

leave me. Like it was, it was a very, very challenging time.

Touchwood, and so much so that I don't think it takes. I think it

takes quite a bit for an adolescent to sort of end up

sitting opposite a psychologist. Yeah, because at that point,

maybe it's different now, but back then, like the conversation

around mental health did not exist really. Yeah, I was lucky.

We had just started the like. There was maybe one billboard

that I'd seen, or maybe on the side of one bus, it had like

anxiety question mark written on the side of the bus. But um,

like there wasn't like this. Now there's like lifelines,

helplines, all this sort of stuff that you can get into when

you need help, which is great. It's really, really good. So

happy for that. Yeah, thank you everybody that supports these

systems. Yeah, so I'm sitting opposite this psychologist, and

she was very, very helpful. Very, very helpful. She was the

first person that taught me about the growth mindset in that

very moment. My whole world had come crashing down. It wasn't a

pleasant place. It wasn't just like, oh yeah, I'm going to go

see a psychologist. It was nobody, nobody that I knew

wanted to know me anymore. In many ways, right? And I didn't

even know who I was anymore, and I wasn't sure what I was doing

anymore. It was just a really weird place to be, yeah. And so,

ended up with a psychologist. Thankfully, there was a doctor

who referred me to the psychologist. The doctor herself

was this Thai lady, and she's important because she's going to

come back in the story in just a moment. But I'm sitting opposite

the psychologist. She teaches me that actually you need to live

by a different value set, and that was like, oh, that's

interesting. Values we can change those. I thought we so

she introduced me inadvertently to the growth mindset, and I

thought we were fixed up until that point. And I was like,

right, okay, okay. And then in her the rest of her infinite

wisdom, Touchwood lovingly, respectfully, she also gave me a

box of pills, which is how the system is, right? So I got given

these pills, and went home, took my first pill, and I remember

what it was like. It was amazing to surface for air. It was

incredible.

For the next four hours, I did things that I hadn't done in a

long time. It was really cool. It was really really cool. Four

and a half hours later, I tapered off, and I landed back.

And I didn't know much, but one of the things I don't know

again, Taurus rising or something, or Virgo, it's

definitely Dora's rising. I picked up the the box and just

dropped him in the bin. I I clearly remember that moment

because I just some part of me just wasn't willing to go on

this roller coaster ride up and down, up and down, up and down,

and I um and again. I just want to be mindful. Like there are

people tuning into this. Chemical imbalances in your

brain do need medication. Like absolutely, there's an absolute

space for medication. Yeah, it just wasn't my truth. And maybe

it's a spiritual thing, but for me, it wasn't my truth. These

weren't right for me, and so I picked them up, threw them in

the bin. And I look back at that kid. That was a very clear

moment of lucidity for me as well. Because I look back, I was

like, "What gives you the right to know better than your

psychologist at that age? What was it within Amra that knew? I

don't know, but it is a fascination of mine. Touchwood,

right? Like it's a fascination of mine. This

is so important.

I've carried on my way. Can I? As I had left the yeah

yeah yeah yeah,

I just want to highlight that moment because

here's here's what I believe all of us have this inner compass

and that's always leading us and yet the systems teach us to

trust the person outside of yourself so even that moment

where it's like what how do you what do you know better, like

your mind says. Why do you know better than this psychologist?

And yet you trusted this feeling in your body, which was your

truth and which was your own inner compass. We all have that,

and how profound that at that young age. How old were you at

that time?

23. I want to say probably needs to be

Fact-checked, probably 23,

around 23 years old, that you had the internal

strength to be able to be like, no, this isn't something about

this doesn't feel right, and to trust that. I mean, I just want

to highlight that moment because we all have that compass, but

we've been trained so so so so so deeply to not follow it and

to trust everybody out there, and that everybody out there has

the answer, and yet the answer was inside of you. That's

incredible. Thank you for sharing that.

Yeah, I reflect upon that. It's yeah, and and I call

these moments of lucidity moments of lucidity. I think

quite a few people have these few. Like I've spoken to people

about this, and maybe your audience can, I know, tune in,

and maybe even if you've had a moment of your own, you know,

comment in moments of lucidity. Yeah, like when you sort of have

these moments where you realize, yeah, there's another moment of

lucidity. I'll share later, but it's like, were you something

bigger is happening other than just you in that moment, but

you're aware and you're present to it, and you're participating

in it. But there's a level of clarity that's not your own

that's coming through. Touch wood. I call them moments of

lucidity. It's weird. I find them strange anyway, but

incredible, right? Like I look back and go, "What was that? I

carry on without the support, and I had to go for a check. And

the doctor, the actual doctor, not the psychotherapist, the

doctor, she was actually because she was from Thailand. She had

this. She said to me, she sits down. She goes, "How's your

progress going? Right. And I was like, "Look, it's okay. This,

that, and the other. And she said, "Oh, I used to do a lot of

mental health work, but I don't now. She had a different

speciality now, and she said, "Look, I just want to give you

this breathing exercise. I remember when I was like, like

my adolescent brain. Yeah, someone goes, "I'll give you a

breathing exercise, and I was just like, "A what? Like I was

just, I was just too broed down. I wasn't open to this at all.

Okay, so she writes down this breathing exercise, and I'm

looking at it. I'm like, thanks. All right. Now, by some grace of

God, I'd put the breathing exercise. I had a clear cover

phone, and I put the breathing exercise in the back of the

clear cover, facing up, which I don't even remember doing that.

And I was in a situation back at university, and I was emptying

out all of my locker because my life wasn't going the way that

it should be. And so I cleared everything out, and I remember

feeling really, really, really, really anxious. Now, his little

anxiety and depression are different things.

Yeah, I started with Eckhart Tolle for an extended period of

time. Became certified by Eckhart. So depression is where

you slip into the past and you spend more time in the past. Old

thoughts are depressing. It's like you should have, you could

have. Why didn't you? Depressing, yeah. That's why

Eckhart Tolle teaches about the present moment, the now, and the

future. It's like I wonder if is that going to be okay? The

future is anxiety. Yeah. So the solution again to be present in

the present moment to breathe in power of now. And what's the

most real time thing you've got to bring you into presence? Your

breath. Your breath. Even then, there's a lag if you get super

meditating. But just just hang to it's your breath, yeah. It's

like it's your breath, and so she's given me this breathing

exercise. I've pulled out my phone, and a really good book

for those that are interested in depression is Johann Hari Lost

Connections. I pulled out my phone to call a mate. This was

this is how I used to self medicate. I used to spend hours

on the phone talking to people, just friends, because we didn't

used to have chat forums online, there was no internet. This is

before the internet, yeah. So just after, but like not like

chatting and before social media. Sorry, I should say there

was there was internet. There was no social media, and so like

this. I was I pulled out the phone and I'm looking at the

back. And written is this breathing exercise, and I've

just paused long enough to not dial someone. Just go on

12345,

and you cannot imagine like my fascinations as each

time I breathed in and out, the walls that were like collapsing

in on me because I was feeling anxious. Literally, it felt like

the corridor walls, not figuratively, literally the

corridor walls were moving out with every breath, and I was

like, "What is this? And so that became my journey with

mindfulness. So I started to breathe. I started to breathe.

Started to anchor the breath, and yeah, there was plenty in

the past to be worried about. Yeah, and then there was like,

but ready to let go, and so anchoring in the present moment.

And so, what is depression, anxiety? Spending too much time

in the past and not being anchored to present. Depression,

depressing. Spending too much time. Now, these are things not

to be demonized. Yeah, we learnt from our past. Even astrologers

are looking at past astrology to understand present day events.

Yeah, we learn from our mistakes. You need that

function, and we have to be able to plan for the future.

Astrologers be predicting too. Like you know, it's it's like a

whole thing. We learn like we plan where we're going to go,

and we develop to do that better. But it's when you spend

too much time in either state and not present. You're meant to

be anchored to the present. That's the whole power of now,

Ekatole, right? And so this became my journey with

mindfulness and meditation. I didn't know it was mindfulness

time. I just had this breathing thing. Then I moved cities to

start fresh all over again, which again was not recommended.

But moment of lucidity led me to that, and so boom, traveled, and

literally even with and that opened me up to okay, this is

mindfulness. And then from there, I started to realize, oh,

mindfulness is a form of meditation. You're Indian.

You've been watching your dad meditate every morning for like

how long? This is a really weird way to get here, but you're

here. So just shut your eyes and do what your dad did, and so I

just sat there. I just sat in my shit for ages, for ages and ages

and ages, and it was brilliant. It was absolutely therapeutic. I

like to say in podcasts like this, meditation reconstituted

my life. Yeah, touch wood, and so of course I'm a massive

evangelist for us. Please be mindful. Some people do have

chemical imbalances, and you do need to take medications. But

way less people

than way less people than it's yeah. Well,

this is the thing.

In 2025, the stats they said one in two is walking

around anxious or depressed. Sorry, with all the finger

pointing, I just get too passionate about this. One in

two is walking around anxious or depressed. Our solution is you

cannot tell me sorry 50% of the population is meant to be

medicated. Something's wrong with what you've got going on.

If 50% of the people need to be medicated, either the system

that's medicating them, either the system that they're living

in-I don't know. Something that you tell me.

I think it's very rare that someone has a chemical

imbalance, so I actually speak out about this a little bit

because these systems are about money and power, and you know,

of course, there's a time and a place. But but if you haven't

gone down the rabbit hole, this is so important. And I feel like

that's what this episode is really about: is spirituality

and like the magic of your soul. And astrology is one lens to to

find it. But this like breath work, the power of now. If you

haven't deepened into meditation, I used to not be

able to meditate, and now I can meditate for hours and hours and

hours, and I love it. It's my favorite place to be. It's so

incredibly important. And if you have not built these practices

within yourself and in your life, and you're just going to

the doctor to numb that that feeling, it's like do yourself a

service, and you know, study with a teacher, or start to go

to some meditation circles, and perhaps you can share like

different practices or tools or teachers that help you start

this journey. But like, if you haven't gone on this journey

yourself and you are feeling anxious or depressed, like do

yourself and your soul and and your body, the service of

actually learning and and giving yourself the space to see if

this is possible for you too. Like what an important story

this is, because so many people have anxiety now, but it's just

because of the unnatural ways people are living and all the

toxins in food and the insane stress of the Western world and

how fast people are moving and all the junk we're consuming on

social media and the news and all the external chaos. Like

when you build this temple within, which it sounds like

your journey-that's what you started to do. You will have a

very different perception on these things.

And one of the things, just to sort of bring astrology

back into the conversation with meditation, one of the things,

like just here's an example. I mean, there's so many tools, and

I think even now, back to the shooting, we end up with so many

tools that we could engage with. Again, I know I've drunk the

Kool-Aid on astrology, so pardon me for that. But with something

like Capricorn, right? You you go, hey, the number of

Capricorns that I've met that go, hey, like meditation doesn't

work for me, and I'm like, yeah, because my word for Cap, you're

you're you're a being of ascension, yeah. And so when

Capricorn sits down to meditate, I say I joke a little bit, if

you hadn't noticed, but um, but yeah, I say modern day

spirituality can end up a bit Ram Dasian, which I actually

have so much love and reverence for Ramdas. So please don't get

me the wrong way. It's with a lot of affection that I say

that. But can be Ram Dassian, which is be here now, be here

now, be here now. So you come in and you sit to meditate, and

it's like, all right, I'll be here now. Yeah, and now

generally your mind will wander, and then you, oh, that's one

rep. Okay, bring it back in. Be here now. Oh, and then your mind

will go wander again. But when you're a Capricorn and you sit

down and you go, be here now, and the parts of you start to

rise, yeah, and all of a sudden you're reining those parts of

you back in. I mean, for me, that's your essence that you're

reigning in actually a little bit because that's Capricorn.

Capricorn is a being of ascension, so you're actually

going against like there's a rise, and so what I offer to the

Capricornian client for meditation is like, yo, don't

worry about doing the meditation reps thing that everybody else

does. Yeah, why don't you hang 10, set a timer for 15 minutes,

sit down, watch yourself go on a journey, and come back and

realize that the llama's beeping at you or flashing at you or

whatever, and you've been gone for at least 2535, minutes.

Incredible success results with Capricorns based on this

conversation. They believe they can't meditate, but they

genuinely can. But you know, but it's again understanding your

type. What tools are best for what parts of me using my lens

of astrology? It's just, it's just the efficacy is just so

yeah. I really like it.

This is why everyone needs to understand

their chart because there's so many nuances, and we've been

taught like we're all supposed to be the same, but like we all

couldn't be more unique. Your story. So, so you went on this

journey of breath work and the power of now was was studying

with Eckhart Tolle.

Yeah, absolutely incredible. But also not

difficult in the ways that you'd think. But learning to be a

purpose and presence coach by Eckhart Tolle, and it was really

interesting because I've like he taught me a lot about presence.

We've been talking about presence at the moment, but my

deepest fascination has always been purpose. The message etched

on the inside of my heart long before I even knew it is like

health is purpose, purpose is health. That's literally like

what's what's in there, and we can unpack that as we go. But so

when he said like certify to become purpose coach, I was like

yo, like there's something here. I want to understand what the

the now person, the presence has to say about purpose because,

again, purpose. Eckhart, you don't get to play purpose, mate.

Like purpose is in the future. Purpose is anxiety. Like you've

been helping with now. Bring us. This is your. And so we jumped

in, and um, he had a very deep conversation around purpose. We

can we can talk about that in terms of facilitating that for

others as well, but a core part of his teachings for me, I found

boiled back to getting people to embrace the isness. And at the

time, like that was you know almost a long time ago now, six

more years ago, more unknown. I was in a very different place to

where I am now, and I found it very interesting to be able to

teach something like that. Like I didn't find the teaching of

that very practical. It's like how do I, as just everyday

Amrit, sit down with people and go embrace the isness when I

myself have nowhere near embraced the isness to the

degree a cartoon has, not even remotely close or even in not

even in the same country. Yeah, yeah. Talk about ballpark,

whatever country, like just not even close. And so I'm meant to

just sit here and be, I embrace the isness, and they're going to

be looking me like how? And I was like, good question. Nice. I

just so the the teachings were invaluable, but also the

education and parting of the tools I found for myself, I'm

sure there's plenty of great practitioners out there. For

myself, a little bit clunkier, but I think that yeah, the key

thing in there is came with that a lot of self awareness. Like

that first part of you know the first dark night of the mind,

the gift that came to me, like you know the dark harvest as

they call it in some cultures, touchwood was meditation. Yeah,

it gave me self awareness, mindfulness, and meditation. It

was really an incredible gift. You know, do I wish six years of

depression upon anybody? No. Was that necessary part of my

journey? Absolutely. Would I have it any other way? Probably

not. I don't wish depression upon my worst enemy, but.

Actually, yeah. There's just an awareness that you know things

had to go. That again, you look at your charts and you can see

the dates and stuff. So I'll stop harping on about that. But

the next part of even with all of that, right? So all that self

awareness, I turned my life around. And when I finally

graduated university, a few years later, I graduated, and

this is going to sound egoic for a sec, so just pardon me for

this, but there's a point to it. I graduated top of not just

engineering, not just structural engineering, not just

engineering, but also top of like the entire cohort for that

year. It's called the J. N. McNichol Prize. You can go check

it out online if you guys feel RMIT University, and I got

gifted that I got awarded that prize, I should say. And the

other caliber of candidates of students at the time that year

were like phenomenal. And the largely they were choosing, you

know, based on academic results, yes, and all this other stuff,

sure. But then there was this interview process, and the last

question they asked me in the last interview caught me

completely off guard. Yeah, touch wood. They said they said

why should we give this to you over everybody else that is

running and made it this far for this award? And I I hadn't

prepared for a question like that.

I didn't know what to say, and it was one of those moments

where Jesus had to take the wheel, right? As we say, and

what came out of my mouth was, "Look, if you gave me this

award, for me, just for me, it would mean a lot, and I can make

a commitment to the award, right? In that, if you awarded

me this award, I would use it to speak about the depth of

awareness around mental health and just how, like, how is it

possible that three years ago this was a person that was asked

to leave university, and three years later this person is

literally graduating top of a university, I would use this if

you were to give me the award as an opportunity to highlight the

importance of mental health and mental and raise mental health

awareness. And so, I guess I'm fulfilling that here today,

right? And so, this is again, it sounds a goat. You know, you did

really well. Well done, mate. But this is important, right? In

terms of the narrative of the story because that is the exact

same person in a very different state. Like I say, meditation

completely reconstituted my life. Touch wood, yeah. Now with

that, you'd be like, "No, you're off to the races, and I kind of

was, yeah. With an incredible award, I you know went out and I

got the best job Melbourne could offer a young kid like me. You

know, going into the workforce, paid really well. It was it was

day one on the job. Welcome to the dark night of mine. Day one

on the on the job, I looked at my regional director and I was

like, oh, that person doesn't embody the values that I've been

working so diligently on to rewrite to sort out everything

that has happened from the past of you know yesteryear, my

yesteryear, which I explained just before. And so then I was

like, oh, this is weird. But then I carried this Gandhi quote

with me a lot. It's still the Facebook quote on my Facebook

after all these years. Be the change you wish to see in the

world. So I was like, okay, maybe we'll be the change we

wish to see in the world. And so I carried on and toiling away,

and it was just talk about the existential cat being rubbed the

wrong way. I mean, it was harrowing. I had moments, you

know. It wasn't probably for the average person. I don't know,

but it doesn't sound as bad as depression. And I was lucky that

I knew what depression was like. This wasn't as depressing, but

it was very close. And I think it was weird because I had

meditation, so that made it. I had tools. I wonder what it

would have been like without the tools. But nonetheless, I wasn't

where I was meant to be. Yeah, you're out of life. I was

working away on stuff, and yeah, yeah, but also everybody around

me-I had no idea what the word alignment meant. I had no idea

what the word purpose meant, and everybody around me had me

convinced that this was the opportunity. It was just that,

and I was like, "Better not blow it. And meanwhile, you're in it,

and you're like, "This isn't it. And everyone's like, "Well done,

and you're like, "For what? It's just like, but you can't say

that to them. You can't say that to them. You're like, "Thanks,

yeah, okay, and no concept, no concept until the push got to

shove, and the push got to shove, and the push got to

shove. It was interesting. It was very interesting. Yeah,

there were so many moments in that particular year, which now

ready. There was a great teacher of blanking on his name.

Interviewed too many astrologers, but one of them,

like an old, like they were reading old textbook, and the

guy has written that if. If you feel like you are going through

a dark night of the soul, contact your astrologer. I wish

I had. I was going through Saturn's return. I was going

through Saturn's return. Saturn checks in with you around your

purpose and goes, "Are you doing the thing that you were put here

to do? And my honest truth was no. But I didn't know I was

going through a Saturn shift.

I was just like, "This is odd. Like, what am I? And you know,

it was suffocating, and it was. I felt like just to give you

guys an example, I felt like you know, there's a part in the

movie, yeah, the Matrix, where Morpheus takes Neo to what base

reality is in the present moment. Yeah, sorry for those of

you that aren't Matrix fans that don't don't get this, but it's

in it's in the movie, and they're basically pan left, and

the sky scorched, and basically Morpheus goes. It was actually

believe it or not the humans that scorched the sky because

they thought if we scorched the sky, the machines wouldn't have

the energy to run because they relied on solar power. But in

their infinite wisdom, the machines realized that human

beings are a source of power. Human beings didn't even realize

that about themselves. Hello, and now human beings are grown

in a forest, like in a field, and a pan's left, and you see

all of these red pods, right? Of like human beings growing, and

they're plugged into a matrix, believing they're living a life

while they're actually being harvested for the machine, touch

wood. Now I know that's a really dark picture, but working every

day in in out of misalignment to the things that mattered to me

felt like I was an energy pod cell thing, giving the best

years of your life. What? So that you can then retire at 65

and go bungee jumping when your back can't take it. I'm not

getting this. I'm missing something. Something's not

adding up, and so I call that white picket fence lane. I was

sold this idea of white picket fence lane. I think even as I

say it, most people can tune into what I'm referring to: get

a good job, get good grades. You know, sorry, get good grades,

get a good job, raise a family, and then you know, at when you

retire, you can finally live your your life, but life's

happening in all those moments in between the things when

you're even planning. Like this is your life, and I was aware

that this mattered to me, yeah. And so, consistently going to

work with this awareness that like this doesn't feel like the

right place for me. It was, yeah, it was a hard time. The

thing that the thing that cracked me open was the Inspired

Evolution podcast was birthed out of this misalignment. Yeah,

I saw individuals such as yourself, coaches, authoring

like people that are authors, speakers, social entrepreneurs,

people having a massive impact, yeah, doing things that matter

to them. And even if their impact wasn't massive, how are

you living a life in alignment to the things that matter to

you? And it just turned out that these people were onto something

cool as well. Yeah, you'd started talking to the world's

leading hypnotherapist. I was like, "Wait, what's going on?

Like, wow, you know. And you start talking to all these

interesting people. So I was inspired by these people, yeah,

by what they were doing for the world, but also wanted to

understand more about like how they were doing that, yeah.

Because all of society is leading us down this. I felt

down this path that wasn't aligned to me, and I was ready

to evolve. I was ready to evolve, and so the birth, the

name of the Inspired Evolution came from, I'm inspired and I'm

ready to evolve, and that was the birthplace of the podcast,

the massive career misalignment. And yeah, I mean, I never really

wanted to start a podcast in the first place. We can talk more

about that, but that's the Cliff Notes version, and that's been

how long now? Eight years of a podcast every week for the last

eight years, and then the last two and a half, three years,

it's been every two episodes every week without fail. Yeah.

Were you

so were you still in your job when you started the

podcast, and that like how did that for a significant

period of time there was an overlap? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah, significant period of time.

Yeah, significant period of time.

Eight years for more

than it hasn't been. I mean, we popped through two,

yeah, maybe two years ago, maybe just this, yeah. But there was a

lot, yeah, a lot of doing both at the same time. So working a

full time job and a full time podcast somewhere there, or

studying for a PhD too. There's just a lot going on, man. Touch,

Clint. Yeah, it's an interesting time in my life. Yeah.

So, when did you get the call for the podcast? I

feel like this is so important because it's like about purpose

in my podcast.

Oh, yes. Okay, when like okay, yeah, okay, yeah. How

did you? So there was that moment of listening. Yeah.

Okay, so there was Saturn's return, classic

Saturn's return. Now let's talk about it from astrological lens.

My wife and I are born in the same year, yeah, and so my

wife's a dentist. Her Saturn return, I will share with you

how it showed up for her. She rocks up to me, goes, Amrat,

there's gonna be more to my life than filling holes in people's

teeth, and I was like, "When you put it that way, like it's just

like, of course there is. She's just like, "I don't know what

that is. I want to go. I want to go on a trip, and I was like,

"Okay, you should go. You know, she wanted to go on a sabbatical

to go find herself. Touch wood, and to this day, I think her

family, I think her family's words to her was like, "Oh, just

check with Amra because we'd been in a long-term relationship

for like six years at that point. And I think they had

thought that there was no way I was going to let her go. And

back to relationships, for me, a lot of my mates found it weird

that like you know that I let her go. But even the way you say

that, let her go, it's like who are you? Like someone that you

deeply care about has just turned around and gone. Hey, I'm

not feeling whole, but here's some stuff that I think if I

want to go find myself be whole, and I'm like, dude, from a

selfish standpoint, yeah, like I really like you. I like you

whole. Like you go do what you need to go do. If you know what

you need to go do, let me know if you need help with any of it,

and so she went on a sabbatical. We didn't know for how long, but

for about 10 months, it turned out overall. And the first six

weeks, I went traveling with her for a bit. We went to like

Kenya, did safari, really amazing, really amazing

experience. Whole bunch to Kenya, Brazil, South America,

Peru. It was really cool. She's an avid traveler. She's been to

like 64 countries. I've been to 56. Touchwood. We've both got

the bug. Now we've got kids, so no bugs. Kids have bugs. You

stay home. But yeah. So she. Sorry, I found myself funny and

I lost my train of thought. This is so average, but she's um.

I've lost my train of thought. Bring me back. Her sabbatical.

Her sabbatical. Her sabbatical. Like she went on a

year long. Yeah, her sabbatical. Thank you so

much. And so we both went through Saturn's return at the

same time. Yeah, because she's born in 88. I'm born in 88. So

we're all going to go. Both of us are going to go through that

Saturn return at the same time. So she had this existential

crisis, and she goes traveling, and they heard her way of like

going to go find herself again. She's got Sagittarian elements

to her chart. We know that now, but she went traveling to find

herself. Yeah, which is exactly what a Sagittarian should do.

But everyone's freaking out. Like, where are you going? Are

you okay? What's your mental health like? You know, and I was

like, yeah, I'm fine. I just need to go find myself. I just

feel like there's more to it than this. And so, in that year,

I stayed home after we went on this little initial part, and I

came home and I was still working. I was looking after the

dog, hanging out in the home, and it was a really cool period,

if I can say so. Just tangent. Very rarely are you in a

six-year relationship that you get to spend all this time by

yourself, because usually after about six years, people are like

living together. They're like your energies are very like one

and the same. But you know, I got to learn myself all over

again during this period. It was really interesting. She was

right about a lot of things. Let's just save us all of that

hassle. She was right about a lot of things. But yeah, I got

to interface and meet my own energy whilst being in such a

long term relationship, which was really really cool as a

thing. I don't know how to architect that for people, but

it was a cool thing that happened for us. In that period,

I was very alone, yeah, very alone, and I was still working

away. We luckily had our dog, and we were just. And I had a

moment. I was sitting on the couch. I was sitting on the

dining table, and I was watching a Tony Robbins video, and I just

I had this moment of awareness when I just like I had an

epiphany, and I turned to my wife, and I was like, "Oh, I

just, and she wasn't there. She wasn't there on the couch where

she always is, right, doing her thing, and I realized, and the

next epiphany I had, epiphany on epiphanies, which is we call

those mandala moments, where you spiraling in on yourself. It's

like an epiphany, epiphany, on epiphany moment. Yeah, I was

just sitting there and going, there are other people that

surely must feel like this, surely, where they're having

breakthroughs and they're hanging out on their own, and

maybe we can engineer breakthroughs, but maybe we just

hang out for a bit. I don't want to feel alone like this all the

time, and so I gave myself 15 minutes to set up a Facebook

group and invite people over to my house every two weeks. Yeah,

and like a lot of things cascaded into this moment, in

one moment in time, I was viscerally aware at the time in

my personal development journey. That was the average of the five

people I spent my time with. I had I'd given up alcohol, so I

just quit. So like interacting with other people based on like

sober events was like a thing for me. The other thing that was

present for me was yeah, like when I first moved to Melbourne.

I actually wanted to do Friday night drinks at my house every

two weeks, and so that was ricketing around in there from a

while ago. We had gone in our travels to a place we're in

Mexico somewhere. Don't want to was it Cancun or Tulum? There

was a there was a club called Mandala, and I remember seeing

the word Mandala written there, and I was like, that's too

sacred a word for a nightclub, because I'm sure there's

probably some wrong things that go on in there. But anyway, and

all of this cascaded into this one moment, and I called it

mandala moments. So mandala moments. Every two weeks, people

come over, we'll hang out, and yeah, I'll brew chai chats and

community. It was chai chats and community, and I'm Indian.

It's fitting chai wallet worked well, and I really love chats,

and I really wanted to just sort of connect into community. The

premise being, come in, let's hang out for a bit. If we don't

have any topics of conversation, we'll watch a TED talk or

something, and then from there we can unpack that. And so that

was Mandala moments. And so every two weeks I started

inviting, and I was very like the circle was very small.

Remember, I was like inviting people. Nat is my first ever

podcast guest. She's a total mandala momenter. Yeah, she was

one of the first people at one of the earliest mandala moments.

So that was my yoga teacher. There was like an author. There

was a social entrepreneur guy that did backpacks. There was

like a few really interesting people that I didn't normally

hang out with, that I was viscerally aware of that I

should be spending time with if I wanted to live a life more in

alignment to the types of people that I wanted to spend time with

in my downtime. So yeah, that became mandala moments that

carried on for a while. I mean, people started doing their own

mandala moments in their own little parts of wherever and

around Australia. So that did its own thing. But it was

actually in those mandala moments conversations that the

the crew would be like, yo, you need to do a podcast. You need

to record this conversation that we're having and put a put it in

a podcast. People sitting around in my living room shooting the

shit on philosophy, spirituality, personal

development, growth, Eastern mysticism, Cole Young

archetypes, all sorts of cools to conversations. Yeah, I

thought anyway, and I was like, "Look, we don't go to the depths

in the conversations that we go to because someone's listening.

Like, if we put a mic in the room, there's going to be a

leak. Yeah, there's a leak. Like, this is a container that

we're in, and so we're we're having some really great

conversations. But the minute you feel like someone else is

listening, you show up a very different way. Could be

listening, and so I wasn't in it. I was like, "Nah, this

doesn't. Nah, I'm not into the whole microphone thing, and so

that. But then people kept having these incredible

conversations, and I'm like, "Dude, I'm hoping like you can

record some of this. And it wasn't just to be clear, it

wasn't me having these conversations yet. Like I'm just

sitting in my living room. These are incredible people all around

me, from around Melbourne, doing cool things, and I just get the

opportunity to like I'll set a theme or an intention, or you

know we'll just poke at something, or we'll watch a

video together and just watch them like hang out, and we'll

just hang out together and talk and think and hopefully grow and

evolve together and explore our thinking and what we think about

deep important topics and matters. It was incredible. I

mean, by some stage, my my living room there was like 40

people. It was like I lived in a townhouse. There was people

sitting on the stairs downstairs, like down to the

stairs. They couldn't hear me. Guide the meditation, but I was

sitting on the stairs. I was like, "What are you doing? Like,

but it was cool. Like it, it was a lot of fun. It was a lot of

fun, and this community kept insisting, "You got to do a

podcast. You got to do a podcast. Maybe after Mandala

Moments, you get a few of the contributors together and then

record the podcast. And I was just like, that just sounds like

a lot of work. I'm not doing it all over again. Like I'm

enjoying Mandala Moments as it is. I don't need to do do like

recordings of stuff on the other side. So they kept insisting for

months and months and months and months and months and months and

months and months and anyway, so at some point, I read an email

from there was a podcaster called London Real, Brian Rose,

and he yeah he incredible podcast. It was the first

podcast that I'd been exposed to.

I'm not sure if Joe Rogan had popular spoken about plant

medicines at that point, but yeah, he spoke about his plant

medicines experience, London real, and I started following

for some of that content. And he put out the call and he's like,

"I'm looking for people to deliver a podcasting program to.

And I was like, "Oh, that's interesting, and I just thought

that like that was literally my thought. I was like, "Oh, that's

interesting, and I like I just left it because it wasn't

actually interesting to me, but it was like interesting the fact

that everyone was bugging me about it and this guy is doing

it, and I was like, okay, but that's all. And so I went to bed

that night and I woke up at four in the morning. I I still can't

tell you moments of lucidity. This is what I was talking about

before. I woke up at four in the morning. I'm convinced it had to

be four in the morning. I'm too too conscious the other times.

So I woke up at four in the morning and just purchased the

whole thing. It was very expensive. Anyway, I purchased

the whole thing. Took a lot, like took took pretty much most

of my savings. Bang! And I bought the podcast program in

the morning. I woke up and I was like, "Did that? Surely I

didn't. Did I? Really, like my wife, like Kay's like my

partner's traveling, and I've just spent all of my savings

onto a podcasting program. Like this is typical of Saturn

return, by the way, guys. This is like exactly how Saturn

return goes for so many people. But yeah, and that was like, and

then I started eight weeks later. There was the podcast was

like okay, born, and we were coming up with a name. I

actually was initially going to call it Everyday Wisdom. That

mattered to me. I was going to call it Everyday Wisdom because

there's wisdom in everybody, and I think just connecting into

that. And then my wife sat down with me, and she said,

"Actually, the things that I know true to you is like you're

always like following your inspirations, and you're always

very inspired. Touchwood, and if I don't really know anyone

that's like been as dedicated to evolution in my life than you,

so I was like, oh, that's interesting. So she she she

actually coined the term inspired evolution. Yeah,

amazing.

I okay. There's there's multiple track sensing

here. Just the gift of the Mandela moments, I'm I'm

thinking with the with the New Truth audience being mostly

women, like y'all should do this. Everyone's always like,

where do I find conscious friends? How do I make aligned

people? Like you, you send me my chai

recipe. You want it? I send you my chai recipe. Yes. Oh

my

gosh, I would like your chai recipe for sure. I

love chai, but it it these Mandela moments of gathering

inspired souls in your living room, and you know it's like a

book club, but goes way way way beyond just reading books. And

how magical! I mean, just that picture I could feel that in

every cell of my being, and what a gift that would be to to I

mean all humans and women have been gathering since the

beginning of time, and in nuclear families are so isolated

and so isolated from connection, and and the feminine thrives on

connection and collaboration and community. So, I think that it's

not it's not a nice to have.

Yeah, sorry, sorry, just to jump in there, it's not a

luxury, yeah. Like looking back, like I was deeply remember the

Matrix, like I was deeply career misaligned.

Yes.

Yeah, and these connections every two weeks were

such an important part of like just doing life well at that

point.

Yes. Yeah. Such a gift. Like it was

so important. It was so important that essence of

community, and and just to like to your point. Sorry, I know I

interrupted, but like the community called upon me to

shift and change things that I was doing, and encouraged me to

podcast. And had I not have listened and not been in

community, I wouldn't be the person that's standing in front

of you here today. What

you'd be, you'd be an engineer. You'd be in a mids

together.

Yes, and and and that. I mean, what a gift. And then also

picturing like how epic my podcasting journey was similar.

Although I used to do talks, it didn't wasn't like a living room

thing like yours. I used to do live talks. It was all live

events based until COVID, and people kept saying, "You need a

podcast. You need a podcast. You need a podcast. And this one

talk, women, five women came to the back of the room and were

like, "Kate, this has to be a podcast. We need to hear this

message over and over again. And I was like, "What's a podcast?

Like, and I've been my boyfriend at the time had told me like 100

times, "You need a podcast. And so finally, I was went home and

was like, "I need a podcast. I finally get the message, and it

was actually January 2020 when we launched, and so it was like

perfect timing right before COVID to to launch a podcast.

But just imagining how,

yeah,

just just imagining how epic it. First of all, the

universe is always guiding us, so when we listen to these

calls, like look what happens for you, for me, but also just

as you're describing these Mandela moments, and I'm like

picturing the chai and the conversations and the laughter

and the depth, and like, oh my God, how changed everyone would

have felt after these experiences, and like how insane

that you you now have these Mandela moments on YouTube with

these extraordinary souls, and millions of people get to watch,

and it's like that. That it's like started in a living room.

Like that is so cool.

Touchwood, touchwood. You're too kind. Yeah, I mean,

yeah, but that is where it started. And like, if anyone

ever asks me about inspired evolutions, it'll always be

mandala moments that you know birthed it, and that community.

I still got Nat up here because she was my first ever podcast

cursed from, and I think the key point. Sorry, I missed out an

element there, which is I didn't want to start a podcast because

every time I switched a podcast on, I was listening to an

expert, right? So back then, like everyone was like, start a

podcast, and I checked out podcasts. I had my moment. I

checked them out, and I was like, I'm an expert. I'm an

expert. Listen to me. I'm an expert. Listen to me. And I was

like, I'm an expert or nothing. Like I'm trying to find my way.

I mean, I'm perpetual student vibes. What am I doing? What am

I? What's my podcast going to be? I think that's important

because, like, even now, people go, oh, like you might have felt

like you always want. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't know what I

needed to talk about.

Yeah.

Started interviewing people and just be like, "How

did you get to where you are, and what are you doing? So that

simple. That started eight years ago.

That's the power of now. Rather than I'm, I'm trying

to control people's perception of me, I'm an expert, versus

like you just just feels so incredibly powerful. You you

said yes finally, and of course we say no. We it's the hero's

journey. We refuse the call, and then it comes back around, and

you finally said yes to the call, and you trusted like okay,

the the ego's perception is I need to be an expert in order to

do this thing, and the soul is like I've been invited to do

this thing, so I'm just going to show up and see and and just be

in the now and look where you are now. It's incredible.

Can I can I explain how Saturn's returns generally show

up in people's lives? Do you reckon that might be helpful,

for sure.

Awesome. So I find Saturn's returns can show up in

many ways. Please don't program in what I'm about to say. Yeah,

be very mindful. But they can show up in many ways. But

generally speaking, yeah, they do show up. What I've seen from

the readings in one of two fashions. Yeah, there are plenty

more options, but generally Saturn's like an old

grandfather. Yeah, these shifts that I've just discussed.

Saturn's like an old grandfather. He teaches you kind

of the hard way. My dad's got a little bit of Saturn in him.

Yeah. So my what do I mean by that? I'll be like, oh, Dad,

I've I've hurt my wrist. You know, fell off something. He's

like, you should probably get it checked out. And I was like,

"Yeah, I might sit on it for a couple of days and just sort of

see, and then I'll, and then I'll see if I need to take it to

the doctor. And he'd be like, "Which one? That one? And I was

like, "Ah! And I was like, "Oh! And he's like, "Don't be silly.

Go get it checked out. I was like, "Oh yeah, thanks, Dad. I

think you know, like it's got this like there's this. It's it

loves you, but very masculinely. Yeah, and this is what Saturn

is. Saturn's a grandfather kind of energy. So when you go

through Saturn's return, they generally come around every 27

to 30 odd years. Saturn squares happen every seven to nine odd

years. Yeah, and so when it comes around you. It's all about

purpose. It's all about purpose with Saturn. Saturn rules your

purpose, and it's. I love Saturn's shifts. Many people

sort of go, "Hey, Saturn's coming. Be mindful. You're going

to be going through a period. I mean, yes, but what is Saturn's

main objective? It's to make sure that you fulfill the reason

that you incarnated. I mean, yeah, he's got your back, but

he's masculine about it. Yeah, so you will find like I was when

I was career misaligned. Yeah, I was misaligned, and the pressure

internally, like Saturn grabs the wrist. Like you go, like you

go through Saturn soon. It's like I think everybody deals

with the pressure of career misalignment, and we're all

working like this, and it's okay. And he's like, really?

This is okay, and it'll put some pressure in. And he'll be like,

oh, I mean, yeah, I think I can handle it. Should be right. I

mean, everybody's doing this, right? Like everybody's doing

things that they don't necessarily love, and wake up in

the morning and exchange money nine to five to build a life and

pay for rent for a place that's so close to work that they never

get to enjoy because they're always at work and they're

working really late till night and they're like really tiring

out and burning out. Everybody does that, and it's like, yeah,

everybody does that. How are you going with that? You going with

that? And you're like, oh, oh, yes. Saturn does not mind

sticking its finger in your wound to make sure that you then

ready with all that pressure eventually go back into

alignment, yeah. So Saturn, if you're unaligned, yeah, I feel

like shows up as pressure, shows up as dark pressure, and can be

depressing for the psyche to navigate because it is looking

to try and align you back, and the pressure is by design, yeah.

It's a very masculine way of going about things, but it's

good medicine. The other way, if you are aligned, yeah, went

through Saturn Square recently, and you're you're already in

alignment. You've got one foot just sort of cruising down, you

know, 60k's an hour, you know, doing on the gas, doing your

thing, and then Saturn rocks up and put both of his foot on the

other gas pedal that you didn't even know existed, and all of a

sudden you're traveling at 200 miles an hour, and people start

to feel borderline burny outy, yeah. So it can feel depressing

or burning outy. So no wonder people go, "Oh, Saturn's coming.

Wait, what? You know. But it's again when you now know that

when you're in these transits as well, we talked about self

permission before. One of the other things that was my

earliest love of astrology, resilience.

I thought, like I always thought, like you know, I was

reasonably resilient, and then I started going through some

things. As you get older, you know, you go through some more

things and you lose stuff, and it hurts. And sometimes you

start to just, you know, realize that there's a lot of

challenging stuff going on for adults. I. Was finding myself

less and less resilient until I had an astrology reading and I

looked at the astrological shift and I was like, oh, this shift

is going on till here, so I'm going to be in a state until

here, and I just realized, okay, cool. I just got up and I was

like, I was just, I was so much more resourced. I was so much

more resource, and I was like, "What is that? I was like, "Wow,

I'm way more resilient if I know that there's an end, there's a

light at the end of the tunnel. I'm just automatically more

resilient. It's not even like I tried to be more resilient. It

just something mindsetty. It just clicked in. But if I feel

like this is my reality forever, you know, it was too, just like

a whole thing, and so that I found like really, really

incredible. So I was on the early loves, like the self

permission piece, the resilience piece. So just knowing when your

transits are and what's coming up and what's next. I mean,

super handy, super handy. Oh, this is going to be a good time

for this. Oh, my, the things I'm putting out in the world aren't

working. Oh, why? Oh, it's a healing. This chart's in a

healing phase. Oh, maybe I should do some inner work right

now. Yeah, instead of trying to push all these things out. So I

find it really helpful in that regard.

Yeah, rather than just feeding the story, like

it's so easy to get into story. Oh, I'm depressed. I am in

depression. Okay, I need to go to the doctor. I need to take a

pill. I need to not, rather than like, oh, actually, there's

something going on in my chart right now, and I'm having a

great awakening, and it's going to hurt a lot because when I'm

when I'm resisting and I'm out of alignment and I'm not

listening to the you know signals that are all around, and

like it just helps you not just understand your soul, as we

talked about so much in the beginning, but like your life

and your life's path, and the timing of where you are now, and

the timing of what's happening in the world, so that you can

make sense of these times that feel, yeah, more hard, or more

intense, or more emotional, or more light and free and fun, or

more easeful.

Yeah, to your point. Thank you so much for mentioning

that as well, because there are positive transits as well, like

not that I don't actually believe in any negative

transits. I'm really trippy. I don't know. I just I feel like

your soul chose the chart and it's here and it's working with

it because it was on its. This is its curriculum, and it's here

to rock and roll with it. I mean, what's negative about it?

Like that's your syllabus that you chose yourself in some ways.

I know that's controversial, but astrologers think like that,

yeah. And there are positive, but there, but then there are

like some like Jupiter transiting through stuff.

Sometimes can be like really elational, yeah, like really

relational as well.

Yeah, and we grow through our challenge. Like the

the challenging, the Saturn return is like these these these

transits in our in our charts and in our lives are, and I know

everyone listening has had some sort of experience where you've

lost someone you love, or you've gone through a big breakup, or

you've gone through a big job loss, or some COVID. We all you

know experienced it during COVID. There's two types of

the people who stayed in suffering and smallness, and you

know, arguing with reality, and the people who took that time

and it became a massive catalyst for growth and new beginnings.

So, I mean, I don't think we can grow into all of who we are

without the challenging times. If it was just roses and

sunshine all the time, like that's, it's both. It's it's

it's the it's the human experience.

Absolutely, absolutely. And again, just that resilience

piece, like knowing that you're going through a time and knowing

that you know it'll start to ease off, it'll soften. Even

just knowing that you're in a time, I find sometimes people

just want to know: Are they in a transit? Like, help me! And it's

like you are, and they're like, "Oh, thank God! It's like, do

you want to know when it ends? It's like, no, I just needed to

know that I was in one, and I was just like, yeah, fair

enough. Yeah, and I'm sure you can also

help them navigate it. Like if if you're speaking

to an astrologer who has all the awareness and tools and

understanding of what you're doing, I'm a big proponent

for feeding the stars. Yeah, big time. Sorry, I got

really passionate and talked over you. My apologies. Yeah,

I'm a big proponent for feeding the stars, understanding the

transit, and understanding what to do during that transit, given

the nature of the transit. Super, super helpful. Like when

I went through my Saturn Square, it was like heads down, bum up.

Now that I knew I was going through a Saturn Square, and not

to ask questions and just keep digging the trench, and then

afterwards put your head up and go, and like I knew that I was

going to be surprised by how far I'd come, and I was because I

knew about Saturn. Touchwood, you know, you thought you dunked

50 meters and you dug like six miles. What just happened?

Saturn, both feet on both accelerators. Yeah, did you feel

like your borderline burnt out? Yeah, but did you come a long

way? Yeah, does Saturn care about you fulfilling your

purpose? Absolutely, right. So I knew not to sort of check like

and just like apply myself on the things that matter to me.

Saturn's here, yeah. It wants me to make sure that you know if

you're an entrepreneur and you're going through a Saturn

square and you are aligned, apply yourself. What does Saturn

want you to build? Yeah, straightforward as that. And you

apply and don't ask questions like, "How's it going? Is it

measured? As I now's on. Time to measure. You're literally

digging trenches. Saturn is calling upon you, so yeah. And

then there's Uranus transits, very different Neptune transits.

Yeah, Pluto. Like yeah, it's good to learn how to walk with

your Pluto transits. Very helpful. Very. And

to all of you who don't know this language, it's

just like you don't need to know the language. It's like there's

a lot happening at all times, and so to know your chart and to

know what's happening astrologically in the world is

so helpful for growth, for awakening, for get becoming more

and more aligned with what our souls are here to do. And I

would, I would love to hear more from the lens of your astrology

because you obviously have a really big podcast now. It's a

and and company behind the podcast. I would love to hear

about because this episode is about a lot about purpose, love,

and purpose. And I would love to hear about how you stepping into

your purpose, like how it's in your chart that and a lot in

alignment with what who you've become and what you've stepped

into and created, and also how that has alchemized and

impacted, and and like as you've learned your chart, stepped into

your chart, life has led you there probably before you even

knew it existed. How has it affected your home life, your

relationship, your your marriage, your family life?

I mean, the the the lowest hanging fruit to go hella

hard on in there is parenting. I know we're talking about

relationships, but that's a really important relationship it

is to me anyway. Sure, like becoming a parent. Like yes,

like there was lots of cool things about learning my chart.

Absolutely, like I mean, it gave me so much everything we've been

resilience with the transit, self permission,

accepting my shadows, understanding my gifts,

understanding my gifts. Touch wood. Still learning. Still

learning more about my shadows. Still learning more about

astrology is one of those things. The more you learn, the

less you know.

For

me, that's the hallmark of divine of divine arts, divine

sciences, mathematics. The more you know, the less you actually

know. Music. The more you know, the less you actually know.

Yeah, these things are divine. Yeah, and so yeah, I tracking

back to like how many. I'm gonna let the cat out of the bag. I

have poor sleep hygiene, Touchwood, primarily because I

fall asleep to comparing my charts, my kids' charts, and all

this sort of stuff. I'm just looking at charts. I fall asleep

staring at charts. I can't help myself when transits and like

femorises and stuff. I just yeah, I'm just looking actually

at charts. Yeah, so I mean, when you say was there seismic

awarenesses consistently, even every day today, that come

through astrology. That I'm like, oh, that aspect in that

chart. Wow, that's what happened today, and that's what happened.

I consult my chart every day, every day. I take a look at you

know how the day went and how what the chart had to say about

it. I found that as a really good tool to learn transits and

learn astrology. But to your point, I mean, learning about my

moon, learning about my sun, learning about my rising. My

rising's probably the thing that's given me the most

recently. But also, I'm conscious, like I learned from

Deborah Silverman, and for her, like rising is like come rise

into your rising. Yeah. Oh, I love that rising to your rising.

Beautiful.

Yeah, that's Deborah Silverman. She's awesome. She's

absolutely awesome. Cannot advocate her hard enough. She's

an absolute fairy godmother when it comes to astrology. She has

activated so many different astrologers. Like she's super

cool, man. Highly recommend if I haven't already said that. And

so yeah, stepping into the rising sign, understanding that

Taurus component of me has been really helpful, really helpful.

But for me, it's also I get into loops, and I don't want to

confuse everybody. But like, I'm also in Vedic astrology, Aries

rising, and that's where it gets super confusing for people

because they're like, "Wait, you can't be Aries rising, and you

can't be Taurus rising. And I'd be like, "Yeah, you're right,

but and then becomes the whole parabola in terms of the place

for Vedic astrology, the place for Western astrology, the place

for Hellenic astrology, and how they do the dance amongst each