UNFILTERED: Courageous Conversations about Losing Your Passion and Not Knowing What’s Next

[00:00:03] Welcome to our podcast series, Unfiltered. This is where we have courageous conversations about topics that are not always discussed in the mainstream or in the workplace. Here we strip away the polished surface and dive into the raw, messy, and deeply human topics that we don't think get talked about often enough. We are your Unfiltered hosts. I'm Amy from The Courage of a Leader podcast.

[00:00:29] And I'm Daphna from Leadership Live podcast. We two coaches from two sides of the world who believe that real growth happens in the uncomfortable, unspoken moments. From workplace trauma to dealing with major life changes and taboo topics like grief, imposter syndrome, and menopause. This is the space where nothing is off limits. So if you're ready for honest, bold, and sometimes messy conversations, let's get into it.

[00:00:57] Have you thought any of the following recently? Things like, I still care about my work, so why don't I feel the energy that I used to? Or have you accomplished the significant goal that I was working towards? Why do I feel a little bit lost now? Or questioning, do I just need a new

[00:01:20] direction or do I need a break? Today's Unfiltered conversation with my co-host Daphna Horowitz is a little bit different. We're not coming with frameworks or set answers. Instead, we're bringing questions that we've been asking ourselves. We're bringing questions that we've heard the leaders that we work with asking themselves. And we're letting you hear us work through those questions together.

[00:01:48] So whether you've been feeling a little bit depleted recently, you're questioning your direction, you're wondering what comes next, this conversation is for you. In my coaching and leadership development work, we don't only look at what leaders need to do. We also look at what's shaping how they show up. Because the pressure that we're feeling, the doubts that we might have, they shape our decision-making,

[00:02:16] our relationships, our relationships, and what we see as possible. Feeling disconnected from your passion doesn't automatically mean that you're on the wrong path. So before you push harder or try to force something or make a big change, it's worth getting curious about what's actually happening for you. And that's what we do inside of this episode. So I'm glad you're here to listen in.

[00:02:44] All right, welcome. Today, we are going to talk about losing your passion, maybe feeling disconnected to it, not sure if you're still on the path that you want to be in your career and life. And admittedly, Daphna and I have our own inquiries going on about our passion and what we want for the next chapter.

[00:03:12] So we don't have this one all figured out, so to speak. So it's definitely going to be an unfiltered conversation. Yes. And that is really what we're going for and what we're playing with and experimenting with today. And I want to say just to maybe align expectations as well, this isn't a conversation where we're going to find solutions or here are your five tools or tips or tricks to find your passion if you've lost it.

[00:03:40] Because we do not have those prepared. We do not. And we thought we'd just enter into a conversation to try and deepen the thinking and see what comes up for us and how we can make sense of it and what this possibly means. So join us and let's see where this journey takes us. Yes. Although that might be a suggested technique right there, Daphna, is to journal or reflect or

[00:04:07] explore or talk out loud with a trusted friend about what's going on in your head and your heart. And we decided to press record on this because we knew it would likely be valuable for ourselves. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Hopefully for others as well, for you that are listening out there, if you feel on any level that somewhere your passion is lost or whatever, let's explore the word

[00:04:36] passion. I also have some of my own questions around what does it mean when we say we've lost our passion? And I'm wondering, Amy, maybe should we start there? Like, what does that phrase mean? Yeah, because I think that probably feels like a familiar or said phrase that many of us have heard. Find your passion. Have you lost your passion? What's your passion? What do we mean by this?

[00:05:01] So I will start by saying, Daphna, as an entrepreneur, as someone who has my own business, I can go to maybe some default thinking immediately around like it has to do with my career and what I choose to do for work. Also, when I talk to leaders about what's your leadership legacy, what's your purpose? I do mean across all areas of life, but I'm seeing that I have that default.

[00:05:30] Am I doing what I like to do? Am I happy in my work? Right. I'm kind of sensing there's two levels to this. There's the, am I doing what makes me happy? Is what I'm doing connected to a sense of purpose or meaning or significance? That's what often comes up for me when I think about passion. There's something around energy and motivation and purpose, you know, which feel like really big topics. And at the same time, I think it can also be

[00:05:59] on the maybe more level of detail of how am I spending my days? Am I finding joy? Am I, and they're always going to be the bits that are not such fun or the thing, you know, when we work with our leaders and executives around managing people or getting work done or taking ownership, there's a lot of frustration and challenge around those things. And that can bring your sense of passion and energy

[00:06:25] down. And at the same time, it's in those bits of the work that you do that do bring you joy, that maybe that is also what we are connecting to that word, which we are using, which we're saying passion. You just said a lot of things there. Yeah, I did actually. It's really good. And because you're talking about in this idea of passion, there's both purpose and we can think about our energy and our

[00:06:53] energy level. And then of course, there's a lot of dynamics in life that can impact our access to our purpose and our access to our energy. Do we feel like there's obstacles that are getting in our way for us to be able to fulfill our purpose? Right? Like you work with a leader who works for

[00:07:19] a wind turbine company, right? And join the company. They were hoping to make a difference in our world by bringing this alternative source of energy. But then there's government contracts, and there's this, then there's obstacles, and there's whatever. And that gets him down, right? About being able to fulfill the purpose. Exactly. Exactly.

[00:07:42] There's things affecting our energy, societally, in society and in society. Right, right. What's coming up for me, there's that two levels of the, we can have a big purpose and get bogged down by the detail of trying to make that purpose happen. And that can come together with losing our passion. We can also maybe have gone along, you know, sometimes people have a big idea and a great

[00:08:07] sense of purpose. And they've accomplished it. The company is up and running. The project is up and running. So what's next? There's a more positive interpretation there. There we go. Exactly. You were striving towards something for quite some time, and big milestone met, right? The thing rolled out or the company launched or the project happened to whatever degree of success, even the next big

[00:08:35] step was taken. And sometimes there can be a little churn and searching for traction on what's the next way to bring my purpose into the world. And I think that there can be a gap. There can be a break between, okay, I feel like I've got a handle on this one. I'm not sure what's next. And now I'm in kind

[00:09:01] of a parking lot. I don't know what it is. I've heard from clients that I've worked with who've said, I set this up, I've got it running. And now what I'm doing, I can do in my sleep. I'm actually, dare I say it, feeling a little bored. So what's next? But they haven't figured out the what's next. So now they're, I call it the parking lot. They're sitting in a parking lot, literally

[00:09:25] for the inspiration to hit or the, it's kind of like achieving a level of success and then looking for the next, next level. So it's, it's two different elements of what we've been speaking about because I want to lose it. Sometimes it is in the detail, getting bogged down in the detail. So the purpose and passion is still alive. The one doing it is still there. Sometimes that has gone because maybe it's been achieved. So I think we might be talking about a situation, Daphna,

[00:09:54] where one's purpose feels clear or pretty clear or had felt clear. Right. And then we're kind of looking at some different things that might get in the way of feeling that having access to that external forces, obstacles, internal forces. Right. Exactly. And that's what I was going to

[00:10:17] come to the external force. The external forces, I think is the next level of this world that we are living in right now, which is complex, you know, on so many levels, politically, geographically, technologically, environmentally, there is so much going on and we have so much information coming at us

[00:10:42] that I think that it also is part of the picture of, you know, this crazy distraction that is also something that gets in the way of really feeling connected to ourselves and our passion and our purpose. And why are we doing the stuff that we're doing? I kind of just want to say that I think what's coming up for me, even as I'm talking is that it's really holding both. There's a lot of good in

[00:11:08] what we do. And I know, Amy, I think that's the place where I'm at. And I know that you're as well, is that there's a lot of good and passion around the work that we do. I love my work. I love working with people and seeing the impact and working with leaders and seeing the impact they can have. And at the same time, there is so much change and complexity and uncertainty, and that can throw you off kilter because then you're thinking, how much of an impact is all of this really having when we are

[00:11:36] sitting with these big questions around the future of the world. And I don't know if you want to say, like, for me, that's something that really touches at my heartstrings is the work that I'm doing. Does it really feel like it has an impact? Does it really feel like I'm on target and purpose and kind of passion in terms of comparing to where I was when I started off where it was all somehow really clear

[00:12:01] to me? And that's really not clear to me. There are debates everywhere in our world, right? Like, just as you were talking about all of those distressing, I don't know, topics, forces in our life, I was like, oh, gosh, the nicest thing you could say is there's debate everywhere about politics, war, climate, AI. And we can see the impact that we're having with a leader across from

[00:12:30] us. They can speak to the ripple effects that has in their work with their team, with their organization. That feels rewarding. And seeing what's going on in the bigger picture, it can bring up inquiries like, ugh, am I just scratching the surface here, right? Like, we've got big problems and big opportunities in our world.

[00:12:58] I love that. It's big problems and big opportunities. And I think it's always working in that, I want to say on that continuum and in that paradox, because there are big problems. But if we can also see, and again, I'm not, I really am resisting going down the route of every problem is an opportunity. No, we're not doing that. We are not doing that.

[00:13:21] But to see the whole picture, to see the whole picture, to step back and even step back from my own way of thinking, to be able to incorporate more into that. And that's really difficult, really difficult. And I think that also brings me into this internal space around what we're carrying on a

[00:13:44] personal level. It could be grief. It could be stress, financial stress. It could be relationships. And that also is more noise in the system. There are literally, there's construction on too many roads in our town. We can't get anywhere. I love that. It's like, literally, you know, actually there is construction, but also think

[00:14:11] about it. There is construction on every path that we want to take in our life, whether it's the careers, the relationships, the health, as I say, geopolitical situation, whatever it is, there is construction. And I guess construction brings up a very positive metaphor for me of building, building, but also there is distraction and construction. Things are shifting and changing, and nothing is as a plot.

[00:14:37] This metaphor is working for me in this moment, Daphna, because there's a mess. There's a construction zone before something is built, right? Before a beautiful new building or smooth highway is built. It's messy. And I think that it can be hard for us as humans, as leaders,

[00:15:03] as parents, as just sit in the messiness sometimes of what's going on and what's not yet figured out, or what is going to be a distraction for a while. I mean, you have a war going on there, right? It's not resolved and done tomorrow. You can't just say, well, I got to gear myself up for one more month of this. You don't know that. And yeah.

[00:15:33] We've got a war. We've got elections coming up. No one knows what it's going to be. Everyone's hoping for something else, you know, without getting into the politics of it. But yes, so much uncertainty. And I'm also really connecting to this construction and mess metaphor, because I think that's what it is. It's mess. It's chaos. I also know that, you know, when construction happens for us often in the

[00:15:57] middle of the night, and we are on the highways, and we could just be driving home, and then all of a sudden traffic is stopped, because they're setting up all their own. And you're like, stopped. And you don't know for how long. You don't know, but you stopped. It kind of relates to that parking lot metaphor. Okay, we have to stop. We need to stop and assess and have

[00:16:20] patience and hold the space of frustration, because I'm getting somewhere and I want to get somewhere. Oh, my gosh, this metaphor is loaded. It really is. You're good at that. Yeah. And I think we're talking about just acknowledging and naming what's going on, what's in this space, what's affecting us, right? What could be affecting

[00:16:44] our connection to our purpose? What could be affecting our energy level? Mm-hmm. Acknowledging, naming, and I even want to say embracing, welcoming. We don't know. I think as human beings, being in this state of uncertainty and chaos, ambiguity, it's very

[00:17:09] difficult. It's very unnerving. We are survival-driven machines and brains, and our brain constantly seeks security and certainty, and we just don't have it. We want to figure it out. What should I do about this? We want to be like, what are the solutions? Yeah, exactly. And we are not going to do that. We are not going to do that. We are not going to do that.

[00:17:38] I think what's coming up for me is maybe like just also looking at that question, what is actually happening? What is happening now? What is in my space now? Can I just hold it? Yeah. Because it's very interesting. I'm noticing what's going on in my body as we're having this conversation, Daphna, and we're talking about obstacles, and we're talking about pretty heavy

[00:18:03] things, and we're talking about messiness, and we're talking about not feeling like we have good access to something that fuels us, but I actually feel my energy getting a little bit lighter. I feel some relief in just naming. Look at what's going on, their internal and their external forces.

[00:18:27] This is normal and natural, and what's happening in our world. And of course, but it almost feels like, okay, all right, then I'm not doing it wrong. I love that. If I'm not waking up like, okay, I feel it 150%. I love that. And I think that actually putting it out there, as you say, naming it, acknowledging

[00:18:55] it, embracing it, knowing that it's part of life. This is normal. Normalizing it, I think is hugely valuable and sharing it as we are doing in this conversation is, it lightens the load. It lightens the load. And for me, again, emphasizes the point of, yes, we are solution seeking. Yes, we'd like to be on the other side. Yes, we love being driven on purpose, motivated, full of energy.

[00:19:24] And it's also okay to have periods when you're not. And when you're not- It doesn't mean we're doing it wrong. It doesn't mean we're failing. It doesn't- Exactly. I mean, sometimes I think we can be too quick to take it to all the questions. Like, was I wrong? Was this not my purpose? It's too easy to awfulize and question the whole thing, rather than- Exactly. This is a moment.

[00:19:53] Or to run into, run onto the next thing. Like, what else can I do? How can I fix this? That's like, for me, what's really, really resonating in this conversation is this idea of resting in it. When we're having those periods of uncertainty, I don't know. And am I really doing what I set out to do? And am I really having the impact that I want to? Am I feeling the same level of meaning?

[00:20:17] And I know this is really difficult because I've been there and I'm still there on some days where you just, you want it to go away. You know, there's nothing more wonderful than knowing exactly what your next step is and how you're going to do it and what your next big project or achievement or thing that you're taking on is. But for me, I think the work is to rest in the space of not knowing.

[00:20:46] Rest in that space. Not to try and run away from it with keeping myself busy. Not to try to avoid it by pretending that it's not there. Not looking for the next big idea necessarily. And just resting in that space and allowing myself to be uncomfortable, to not know exactly what's next. You know what I mean? I'm just thinking like, I've come from a place where I've always had some project going on, whether it was starting the podcast or writing a book. And I know for you the

[00:21:14] saying there's a lot of that. And now I don't, I don't have my next project. And I'm like, some of me is missing that, that thing that to work on. And some of a part of me is saying, breathe, rest. For me, part of it is that the next figuring out is going to look different. It's not just going to be more of the same. I know that I can set myself a goal and I'll

[00:21:41] make it and get it done. But I want it to be different. I want something different for the next level, the next stage. And I'm playing with that. So that's kind of the little bit of tension and uncertainty that I'm living with. I am really liking your word rest, rest in it. It's keeping us from the fixing,

[00:22:07] right? Or the, or the forcing or the fanatic energy. Yes. If we can just rest and be with it, notice, notice and acknowledge. I heard something beautiful today that really comes to mind when you were saying that kind of that fixing energy versus the resting energy. And I want to build on that and take it a step further

[00:22:35] to say, what is this rest? And in the lecture that I heard today, the lecturer defined the rest as coming home to ourselves. And for me, that really struck a chord because and it really, even as I'm speaking to about it now, it's connecting again with my, really my feeling. And also my sense of purpose is that we cannot be good leaders if we don't know who

[00:23:05] we are, if we are not connected to ourselves, if we are not in self-reflection and self-awareness practices. And I know that when I feel aligned in my head, heart and gut, which are our three nervous system centers, when I'm aligned, I know the things that come out of me are awesome and they

[00:23:32] feel good and they feel steady, even in this uncertain world. So that coming home to ourselves, for me, that's what it's about. It's that allowing yourself to rest in order to get into that full alignment of who you are on all levels. And the idea that that full alignment could be accessible, even when there is mess. Noise. And a swirled. Yes. And a swirl.

[00:23:59] As I know, we're not wanting to like fix and force, but just like in that energy of rest in it and just bringing that self-awareness, like you said, how am I thinking? How am I feeling? What is core to me? I love this action. You just did this action of like, it's really coming into center, coming home to ourselves. I feel that's powerful. And I would want to say then, you know, if we want to

[00:24:25] take it into something, you know, for our listeners to think about or reflect on is what would that mean for you coming home to yourself? What would that alignment mean for you without doing? Is it talking with a friend over a glass of wine? Is it journaling? Is it just having a time and space in your days where you check in with yourself? What's going on for me? Maybe it's setting some

[00:24:52] boundaries, right? Not staying at work so late, but putting in activities into your days that, you know, refuel and energize you. Maybe some self-care, right? What are the hobbies? Sleep? No, sleep. Drink your water, right? Yeah.

[00:25:16] Because I think if we're quote unquote unsatisfied in some way, and we move quickly to try to fix or force or close a gap. We push harder. If we're going to push harder. Sometimes it works. I'm not going to say that it doesn't work. Sometimes it works. And maybe sometimes it is the right strategy. I just think it can't be the only strategy. We've got to have options, you know?

[00:25:43] Yeah. Well, and it can be for many the default strategy, right? Exactly. Like we're warning against it, right? Like there's this whole other side of the continuum where we could rest and lean in. And I think if we all really looked, we could see for ourselves whether is this a time where we really should pause, rest, lean in, come into ourselves.

[00:26:12] Yes. Align. Align. You know, and I have to say, Amy, even what you said earlier, I'm really feeling it now. Just having this conversation with you has brought that center back, you know? I know that for you, it's the start of the day. For me, it's the end of the day. And we're both coming in with a whole lot of things that are going on for us. Yes. However, like, look at this. I don't know. I'm really feeling it in this moment of connection

[00:26:38] and just talking about it without trying to figure it out and find the solutions. We have created a connection and certainly some amazing thoughts that have sparked for me around the topic. I do feel more grounded in my seat. And I'm not sure how to say this. It's just a bit of more of a

[00:27:05] knowing that I know who I am. I know what's important to me. You know, I know what my passion is about. And maybe it's just like having acknowledged some of the forces at play for us right now. It's like, of course, that gets blurry and foggy at times.

[00:27:33] Exactly. I think that when we use the phrase, we've lost our passion, I think what's coming up for me through this conversation is really asking ourselves, what have we lost? Because I think passion is a big word. And when we look at, we've lost our passion, I would still want to ask the question, what do you care about? What do you still care about? What do you care about? Forget passion.

[00:27:57] What do you care about? Because there are definitely things that you care about. And then, so what have you lost? Have you lost energy? Have you lost motivation? Have you lost someone that you love that's put you in grief? Have you lost your ideal vision of what you think the world should look like? Because I know certainly every time a story comes in of something that I find devastating in this

[00:28:22] world, I just ask, what is this all for? What is this all for? Have you lost your quick commute? It just took me so long to get to the gym yesterday. It was ridiculous. A hundred percent. And maybe to do that, I don't know, that's just come up for me now as well, like through our conversation is, what have you lost instead of giving us this big word,

[00:28:48] passion? Because we all still care about something. I believe that in my heart, even on the days where I have low energy and I don't feel like anything, I still care about something. And you start with that. What have we lost? I love that question. What do we care about? And then just to say, I think another key inquiry we've been circling around is how do I rest in it? How do I lean in

[00:29:13] and align with myself? And another one that comes up for me is what choices do I have? Okay. Because I think sometimes we feel stuck. Like also, and I think about losing passion and wanting meaning and significance or motivation or whatever it is that we want. What choices do I have? Because when we feel that we've lost something, we feel like our choices have narrowed, that we don't have much choice. I think this is where it's coming from as well, that default,

[00:29:41] autopilot, let's run away and fix it. Let's scroll on my phone. Let me phone a friend so I can just get out and forget about it. Or I got to make a big change. I got to make a big decision. Exactly. I got to throw everything out and start over again. Whatever. If it's in our default, autopilot thinking, it narrows down choice. So step out of that and kind of think what other choices could

[00:30:07] there be? What do you know about how you might answer that question in the moment? I think I would need to notice first that I am on autopilot. I would need to notice that I've now defaulted to my pattern of keeping busy. So for me, let me think of an example. If I am procrastinating around doing something that I don't love doing, but I know that it's part of my business

[00:30:36] and I need to keep it going or whatever it might be, then I look for something else to do that will be more fun, like whatever. Then I'll start thinking about who do I want to see socially. And I think we know social connection is fantastic. It's wonderful. But I don't think it's okay when it's an escape route. If it's an escape route that will refresh your energy and make you want to come back and really do the work. Great. But if it's not, then I know that I will seek out connection because

[00:31:05] that's kind of my default. I want to phone a friend. I want to go out for coffee. I want to be with someone. And that's autopilot. So I'm saying, if you notice that you are doing this on autopilot, because this is your default response, rather than a conscious, intentional thought out response, stop for a minute and say, what choices do I have in this moment? Yes, I could phone a friend and see

[00:31:30] if she's available for coffee. Or I could lie down for a few minutes. I could do a meditation. I could get something to eat. Maybe I'm feeling loss of energy because I haven't eaten. That's where the choices come up. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. I'm so glad I asked you. Because look at the inquiries that it put you in, right? It put you in like, oh, hey, is that my

[00:31:59] default? Is that my automatic? What would be different from that? What would be authentically refueling? Just to have heard where that question took you. There's something about the word choice that really brings out intentionality. Okay, so here's what's so, right? We talked about acknowledging

[00:32:22] and naming forces at play going on right now. Okay, so that's what's so. I love your what have we lost? What have I lost inside of this? Right? And then, given that, what are my choices? What do I want to choose to do? And even not, what do I want to choose to do? I would even just stop it at,

[00:32:49] can I see more than one option? Can I see that I have choice? What are the choices? Yeah. I think that, for me, is the inquiry. Before we decide to run and do something, that's what I think is important. That pause for a minute. I feel like I want to end with a story. Can I quickly, an experience that I have? Yeah, what do you got? What have I got? I've got a story about head, heart, and gut, you know, that alignment. I actually

[00:33:18] went to India to a retreat. What do they call them? An ashram, basically, to do a whole lot of meditation. So it was five days of meditation, different kinds, and nothing silent. Didn't go that all the way there. But they had different kinds of things for us to sample, different kinds of meditations, you know, either sound or complete silence or all sorts of things. So the one that I signed up for was this, I think it's called twirling, but I could be wrong. It definitely has nothing

[00:33:48] twirling or something like that, spinning, something like that, where for 45 minutes, you are literally, you know, like when we were children and you go around and round and round and round and spin on your own, like go around and round and spin until you get dizzy and you fall down. On your feet. Okay. Yes. On your feet. This was the meditation. So they said for 45 minutes, we need to be spinning, spinning like this, twirling, I think it's called. And some of them had these beautiful skirts and

[00:34:16] they like just go. And so I start this meditation and I'm starting to spin and I'm getting dizzy. I'm going, I can't do this. How am I going to do this for 45 minutes? And I'm watching the people around me and they're all like, you know, having a go and they're just spinning and spinning. What are they doing? So then I tried again and I tried again. It didn't work. Then I tried the other way or I tried to regain my balance and, um, I, you know, just wasn't happening for me.

[00:34:43] And then eventually I decided, okay, like do this thing of like, just watching one thing and just focus more internally. I was looking one way, but my focus was internal. And as I started getting this to this place of centeredness and calm, I was able to spin. And I really span for whatever it was, it was 30 minutes or whatever it was. And all of a sudden, this was really one of the most

[00:35:09] incredible experiences that I've had in terms of meditation in my life, where I realized that while I was spinning and moving my body around and around, my core was completely still. My center was completely still. And I realized that I went into this very still center. So I wasn't getting dizzy at all. And I was able to maintain it. And for me, this was, you know,

[00:35:38] it's like, I had this realization, like even with a wheel, when the wheel goes round and round, it's on a stationary bar, you know, the, what do you call the middle part on which the wheel revolves? Yeah. That is completely still. It doesn't move as the wheel rolls. And I thought, whoa, that's what's going on here. And that's a great physical representation, Daphna, of what we've been

[00:36:03] talking about. We did not know we were going to land here. But I'm seeing it in my mind's eye, like when you're talking about spinning. And if you just like imagine all the things in the room swirling past your vision, all the forces at play that are impacting our access to passion, to bring it back to our topic today, like just imagine all of that going past your vision really

[00:36:30] quickly. But then when you said, when you leaned in, when you brought the attention internally, then, then you wouldn't matter what was going on. Exactly. It did not matter what was going on on the outside. My inside was perfectly still. And that was really powerful. And I stopped, I wasn't dizzy.

[00:36:56] It was incredible, really incredible, incredible experience. And that's why I think our work is so important, Amy, because that's what we do. The people that we work with, their lives are often spinning, no matter what it is that they're involved with, with its business, personal relationships, could be spinning out of control. But we are helping them find their core, their center,

[00:37:21] who they are, and all their resources for being able to manage within the spin. That's why that coming back to center and alignment, for me is a very, very strong part of our work. Yeah. And I mean, I want to make the bold statement. That's what we need. Like, I mean, more than having all the answers, more than having a million strategies about what to do,

[00:37:49] is just like, how can we be grounded, connect with ourselves so that we could possibly have the ability to connect with others and what's going on around us in a meaningful way, rather than I'm just getting distracted like a ball in a ping ball? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Like I'm just being, I also

[00:38:15] had the visual when you were talking about this spinning and what happens for folks is like other people putting their hands on a person and spinning them this way or moving them this way. Yeah. And I mean, we can really feel thrashed around by what's going on in our world and our work lives and our workplaces. By life. Right now. Thrashed around by life. Yeah. I feel like how do you,

[00:38:41] how do you lean in? How do you align with yourself is our core inquiry here. Yeah. Daphna, that was certainly unfiltered. That really was. It was fun. We had no idea where that would go. I had no idea. I know you didn't either. No, we did not. If this unfiltered conversation connected with you in any way,

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