Unleash Your Magnificence

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Our guest today has been a beautiful companion of mine for over a decade, and I have just loved every experience with this beautiful woman. Let me introduce you to the lovely Nathalie Jackson. Through diverse healing modalities such as fire, walk and shadow, work, facilitation, Natalie helps individuals navigate their inner landscapes and overcome obstacles to growth. Her role as a holistic practitioner and healer further enriches her offerings, providing a holistic approach to wellness and empowerment. Ultimately, Natalie's greatest joy is guiding folks to rediscover their innate magnificence and live lives full of joy, abundance and success. She stands as a testament to the fusion of technical expertise and spiritual wisdom, offering a transformative path for those ready to embark on their own journey of self discovery and empowerment. I am so excited to bring in our guests today, on today's episode, when Spirit calls.

Oh, hello again, beloved souls. I'm so happy to be back on another episode, and we have just been bringing in these fantastical guests, and we're gonna keep going with those fantastical guests. Today, I have this incredible Alchemist of shadow work in the house. Natalie is with us. Hi, Nathalie.

Hi, so happy to be here.

Oh, I am so happy to be here with you. And I'm going to let you share in a moment, but I just want to tell the audience, because I've known you for over a decade now. Can you believe that? Like, I was thinking about that the other day, and I'm like, Oh my gosh. Like, we've been crossing paths for a long time, and I want to share that I had the most beautiful, transformative experience at one of your events. This is probably about eight years ago, I want to say, and you did this beautiful Magdalene ceremony. And boy, oh boy, my heart like lifted out of my chest, and I heard music coming from me. I heard, you know, light language coming from me. I had just such a profound process of being so held and so nurtured. And it was quite life giving for me. So I can't believe it's taken me this long to get you to come and speak about this on the show, but you are here now, and that's all that matters. So can you share with everyone you know bit of your story and how you kind of found your way into shadow work? Because it's not, you know, a lot of us are drawn to the light, you know. And so people hear, you know, Shadow Work, and they're like, oh, I don't know if I want to go there, you know. And so I would love for you to share your own experience, your story, and then we'll break down what it really means to do this beautiful shadow work.

Well, that's great. Thank you for that beautiful introduction. Deanne, I really appreciate it, and appreciate you and and deeply appreciate the work that you're doing in the world. You You're really doing the good work, you know, capital G, so thank you.

I received that. Thank you.

You're welcome. So my story started out really differently than how it looks now, as I think most stories do, right, those big stories of transformation, it's like there's one version pre this thing, and then there's another version post this thing. And so the the version of me from 25 years ago was, you know, I was an engineer. I was a young mom. I stepped into the oil field to to really use these, these technical skills that I had in the world. And then my first son was born, and he was born, and he had a brain injury upon entry into the earth plane, and that brain injury led to lots of complications for most of his life, right? He's like he's a young man now, and it's still part of his journey of exploration and transformation. And so that happened, and it and very quickly, I realized that all the training I had left me in equipped for something that really challenged me as a mother, you know, as a full, empowered woman in the world I had no. No skills to deal with this situation that's all lasted in that engineering career for for like, less than a year after he was born, and I went back to the drawing board, and very quickly, I was shown some signs, some little seeds were dropped into my world around healing and transformation and holistic health, and what it might look like to actually build those foundational pillars that then would give me the tools I needed to handle what was in my world. And so I just dove right into the holistic world and and, you know, that's been an on it's been a 25 year journey. I haven't stopped learning. I still find myself going back to being a blank slate and knowing nothing. What can I learn in this moment now? What is this moment teaching? Who's my next teacher that's going to show me something that I don't know yet? So the next leg of the journey is I was, you know, one little seed led to another little seed, another one. And I found myself doing this priestess path initiation in Massachusetts for two years, and that is when I knew, Oh, this is why I've been put on planet Earth right now. It's, it was all, it's a women's Mystery School. So it was all based on on Shadow Work. It was based on empowerment practices and all these really foundational pieces to being the best version of ourselves. And I quickly discovered that I used to wear rose colored glasses. I was I was raised that way, to filter everything into what is the positive in this? What is the positive in this? It's beautiful when the depth of our experience is also acknowledged. It was a beautiful skill to learn, and it took me a long time to start to acknowledge what was really going on beneath the surface, to really face the shame I felt as a mother, the guilt, the grief that I had gone through. All of my experience of motherhood had been really repressed and and and tucked away neatly so that I could be this other version of myself as a healer and an empowerment coach, etc. And it was shadow work that helped me to uncover that and to face all of me and and now I find myself in a place where there's way more access to authenticity and to all of my power now, and my voice is is intact, and all of these things that were repressed before have have shifted over the years.

Wow, there's so many things I was taking some notes there. So first of all, I love that your son came in as spirit's way of saying, hey, you've got to look a bit deeper. You've got to you've got to go on this journey, you know. And so what an interesting way that you were summoned, you know. Because I feel like that was a summoning, you know, your son being birthed, and recognizing that he had challenges and that you were going to experience some challenges, and you could only be so positive for so long, like everything is great, and by the way, I'm a rose colored glasses gal too now, so I love to look at through the lens of the beauty. But for a really long time, I rejected parts of myself, I rejected a lot of parts of myself. And so what you're telling me is that in allowing ourselves to receive all of ourselves and to not shy away from those parts that you know maybe we don't want others to see, that we actually allow ourselves to come into deeper wholeness, deeper fulfillment, deeper healing, and to shine in this very authentic light. And that's one thing I know about you, is that you're the real deal. And so can you explain what shadow work means for people? Because I feel like there's people that have a perception of shadow work, that it's like we've got to go through this dark night of the soul. And is it that? Or what is it? Can you explain that a bit?

Yes, it's such a great question. It's, it's very much in the collective consciousness now, with a little bit of a an outlook, perhaps, that's very different than than how I hold it. And so shadow of the term comes from Carl Jung, and he's the one who who coined it, you know, back in the early 1900s around how there's all these aspects of self that get repressed or denied in early childhood. This happens before we're 10 years old, yeah, because of an inherent need to belong and to be loved. And so we'll deny these aspects of self, whether they be judged as good or bad, is irrelevant. It's just aspects of our wholeness get put into these neat, tidy little closets, and not until our life really needs a drastic shift, because things aren't working anymore. Or do we go looking in that closet? Well, maybe there's something I need to deal with now, because things really are falling apart in my world. And so shadow work, as I've been trained through the shadow work organization is it's not about, you know, journaling about these repressed parts of self and staying in it for really long periods of time. In fact, it's quite the opposite. We have a very succinct methodology to open up that closet, pull it out, feel it. You know, one of the things we say is feel it till it's finished, and then when it's finished, there's a death of identity that takes place and a rebirth of a new sense of self, and that can happen in an hour with, you know, the kind of leadership that can take you right into that closet, bring you out again, and transform the identity around it. So that is different than than journaling about everything that's repressed. I think that is really helpful, too, yes, and this is a specific processing methodology.

I think this is so powerful, especially because this summer, I actually had a massive shadow around grief. I read my childhood because I was sick, I was chronically sick, and I didn't realize how much grief I'd stored away. Then went into my young adulthood, and then people just started dying around me for two years. A dozen people died in the span of two years. So I had locked away that grief right again, put on the rose coat glasses. Oh, everything happens for a reason. You know, they're in a better place now, whatever that story was that I told myself to make me feel better at the time. And this summer, I ended up with pneumonia, and it was mad. I was so sick and I was struggling. I was like, why did this happen? I was treating my body really good and being healthy and mindful. And boy oh boy, did that shadow of grief just come and it was in my face, and I had to lean into it. And I I'm pretty sure I cried every day for a couple months, but I felt it till it was finished. And it was so beautiful to move through that process, and the relief that I felt and the freedom I felt like I was celiberated Natalie after that. Now I don't have the tools in the process necessarily that you have, but I was fortunate enough that I was bestowed these beautiful tools regardless. But what are some of the tools like if we want to do some of this work, is it safe to do it on our own? Like I probably should have reached out for some help this summer. Just gonna say, asking for help is also another piece of my shadow, being willing to ask for help. But you know, like, is there something that that we can do to support ourselves, especially if some of these parts of ourselves have been buried away?

Yeah, that's such a great question. And I just want to you know, name that this experience that you had with your lungs, right? And moving all the energy that was in your lungs is very common in our world and and, you know, when I talk to people about it, I'm like, not your experience precisely, however the body will do the work if our consciousness hasn't done the work already.

Ah, okay, so that makes sense to me, right? Because my consciousness had not dealt with it. We kept compartmentalizing it, or whatever want to call it, so my body kicked in and said, Hey, wait a second, you've got a deal. Yeah,

because you still had a lot of work to do in this world, because there were still a mission to be accomplished and lived out, and so your body was going to do it for you. And I think what's so beautiful in that story is a real reminder for anyone who happens to be listening to this that if we don't consciously work on these things that are suppressed in us, that are giving us little hints here and there, that eventually will hit a wall, and the body will have to do it for us. And oftentimes that wall is quite painful, and it was Yes, I believe you. I believe you. And it might take a little bit longer, perhaps, to actually move it out of your system, in, you know, in that way, and it still works,

yeah, and it still works. Thank goodness, you know. Thank God, my body has this intelligence that maybe I don't have. But you're right. I did get nudges along the way, you know, I, you know, I had a few other deaths in the last few years that I had to also move through. And I just kept working away, not addressing, you know, and then I had to feel it at some point. So, so now, what do we do? Like, if some of this is coming up, whether it's in our physical or whether we have an inkling and we've been listening to the nudges, or we're getting poked at, what do we and, yeah, where do we go next?

Yeah, well, what I would offer there. There is the first and most important step, I believe, is to be radically self accountable to everything that's happening in our emotional body and and by radically, I mean radically. So what this might look like is when I'm having an emotional response to something, I may be looking externally for something to blame for that emotional response, right? It's kind of a natural human tendency to be like, what's happening out there that's making me feel this way. And so the first thing that we talk about and that we teach about in Shadow Work is every emotional response is something that was locked in your own body. It existed in you already, before this external environment took place, or this body experience happened, and likely it showed up in early childhood. So the radical self accountability is like, I'm feeling something right now. Wow, it was locked in my body. What is this trying to teach me about me? So that's step number one,

wow. And so it's step number radical. Self accountability doesn't mean that we're going into self blame and shame,

No, exactly. And it doesn't mean there is a little bit of a misnomer around that, of like, if I was victimized, you know, therefore I'm responsible for that. It does. It doesn't equal what it means. No, it's not removing the victimization of an experience. It's the next step in an experience such as that one of now what it's the now? What is the self

and what do I what do I get to do about this? What do I get to lean into here? Yes, beautiful,

Yeah. And so then after that, so let's say yes. Okay, so I'm aware now I'm having this emotional response. Maybe it's anger. You know, every direction I turn, every interaction I have, suddenly I'm feeling angry about something, and I want to blame it on all these other people in my life, so maybe it's anger, okay. So then the next step would be to reflect on my own life and to see if I can find the origin of where anger where I was told that anger needed to be repressed because it wasn't acceptable, and likely that origin happened before I was 10 years old. So reflection is number two, find the origin of where the wound took place that then caused anger to go into shadow, to go into that closet, because somebody said, if you're angry, you're a bad person, or girl shouldn't be angry or etc, etc, etc. The reflection is number two, and then number three would be to respond authentically. And what I mean by that is now that I know where the origin is, I'm like, Oh, right. In my family of origin, I was told anger is bad. Now I suddenly have all of this anger in my body. So in communicating with you, perhaps who I thought made me feel angry, I'm going to say I've got a wound around anger I was told is not okay, and there's some repressed emotion in my body, and it needs to come out in some way, and I'm going to take responsibility for that. I'm not gonna blame you for that. I'm gonna find a healthy outlet for that anger that doesn't destroy our relationship, because our relationship matters to me, and that still moves the emotion through my body, so I can get it out of my body.

That's so beautiful. So instead of like, lashing out and saying, You did this and, oh, and you made me feel this way. We're saying, Hey, I'm feeling really angry, but I know that it stems from some repressed, emotional, whatever, whatever, and I don't want to impact our relationship, so I'm gonna do the work that needs to be done.

Yes, and there's such beautiful work to process anger. I mean, I don't know if you've heard about the rage room that exists right here in Edmonton, Alberta. There's some all over the world, of these spaces to go to, to actually break things, yell as loud as you need to and get that anger out of your body. There are healthy ways to move anger.

Yeah, yeah, there sure are. So that's seems so simple. You made it sound so simple, but it's not always so simple. I want to bring up, actually, a client, and maybe, you know, maybe you have some suggestions. So I have a client, brilliant, brilliant. Like, so, so good at what they do. Like, they are high level mindset trauma like they they can help people likely split, but they're stuck on something because they feel like they've been through so much heartache in their life that like now it's their time to like come into abundance and receiving, and it's not. Learning for them. Do you see that a lot, where people are like, Okay, I've done all this trauma healing, and now I deserve, you know, to be on the Easy Street and they're feeling some sense of resentment or anger. Like, what do you suggest to someone who's like, maybe stuck in that space?

That's such a great question. I do see that quite a bit, and some of the conversations I end up having with people is that healing happens in a spiral. It isn't a linear thing, where I had this experience and then I do all of this therapy, and suddenly there I am healed from it. It's actually going to spiral around again and again and again, and every time it does, I'm going to have gained a little bit more capacity, a little bit more self awareness, so that I can bounce back in maybe a shorter period of time, perhaps maybe in a more supported way, maybe because I've asked for some support, you know, maybe in a cleaner way, because I've learned how to communicate my knees easier. So every time I'm learning a little bit more and a little bit more. So I would offer to anyone who thinks that their journey is complete, why is it still happening? Is there's another layer,

there's more to it. So, yeah, you know, it's funny, because we feel like, oh, man, haven't I dealt with that already? You know, like, Did I not learn last time? But what you're telling us is that in every experience, we are gaining new wisdom and new knowledge. It's just that sometimes we, you know, have these other layers that come up. So we might go through a very similar experience, although we might feel like it's like the same, very similar, and feel like we're learning the lesson again, but there's something more in that next time, like it gets anchored in more, or we heal another layer. And I love that perspective, because I know for myself, sometimes I'm like, Oh man, I got myself into this again, you know? And I think didn't I learn last time, but this whole idea of looking at it like a the spiral, or as I see it as like a corkscrew, you know, it's like, it's such a relief, because it's like, oh, okay, I did learn something last time, but now I'm ready to learn something deeper, or something more, or get a different perspective, still

Absolutely and it might be something that layers on top of something else. So maybe I needed to learn how to move anger and have a healthy relationship with anger. Maybe the next time now I need to learn how to communicate that to somebody else might be interrelational. Now, maybe the next time, I might learn how to ask for support, because I don't know how to do it in this moment, can somebody come in and offer me some support? So maybe support is the next layer on top of them.

Right? Yeah, I love, I love that perspective. So, you know, I'd love to speak about this more in terms of, like, what is the benefit? I mean, I think the benefit is obvious for some people, but maybe not so obvious for others. Like, what's the point in me doing the shadow work? Like, can't I just keep my rose colored glasses on and keep moving through the world, you know? And if I don't do the shadow work, I mean, obviously it's going to show up physically for us at some point. But you know, what are the bigger benefits to to doing this work?

Yeah, yeah, oh, boy. That's a really great question. One thing I want to note around that is oftentimes, when we think of shadows, we think that they're quote, unquote, I'm using air quotes now that they're negative emotions, so the anger, the resentment, the hatred, the jealousy, what's often in shadow is our light and our brilliance and our bigness and our expressiveness. Yes, and so when we say that there's goodness on the other side of it, there are actually aspects of yourself that are your greatness, that have you put into that closet in some way unacceptable.

This is exactly how I felt with some of my intuitive gifts. Because I was raised Catholic, I shoved those gifts away. I shoved that intuition away. I denied myself of it because I felt there was something wrong with me. So that was my light, in a way, but it was put away because I didn't believe it was safe for me to let that come out. So that's an example, and I just wanted to share that with the audience. Beautiful example.

And I see things like that happening so often, is suddenly someone finds their voice and they're able to sing again. Suddenly someone finds their artistic self and their and they give themselves permission to paint that got, you know, maybe got stripped away at a really young age, like there's all of this wonder and this goodness about the the majesty of our human capacity that's available when everything is out of. The shadows, wow, yes. And also, and also the constricting more quote, unquote, negative emotions also show us where our bring us our power back. We can reclaim that aspect of self. We can reclaim perhaps our momentum, perhaps our drive, perhaps our desires even are on the other side of that. So we don't really know how it's going to be transformed until it's felt all the way through, yeah, and then it is good result.

I, you know, I love this idea that, you know, some of the benefits are bringing out those incredible gifts that we have and all these wonderful assets and and beautiful attributes that we carry, that they get brought to the surface in this I also love that we get to go through this reclamation process of reclaiming our power. So I mean, obviously there's numerous other benefits to doing this work. But what I find so fascinating is I had a perception that shadow work was like dark night of the soul, like we had to go to hell. And I mean, I understand now that, like the path to heaven is not through hell, although I think many times we feel like we need to go through these really painful suffering experiences. What is your perspective on that? Because I kind of believe that, like, yes, there's certain things that we need to go through that are catalysts, but like, the depth of the suffering, do you think that's a choice?

Oh, wow. That's a brilliant question. My experience with that is that each of us has a different rock bottom. Each of us has a different like breaking point where we're willing to shift and change anything that's it, that's it, that's I've hit the wall now, now I'm going to change anything that I need to change in order to move beyond this experience I'm currently having now, some people's rock bottom is a life threatening illness, right? Other people's rock bottom is a sniffly nose, yeah, right. And so we don't know, and we can't really judge, what that is for for all of humanity, it's going to be different for each of us, and it's going to be from, like, a Kabbalistic, like an esoteric perspective. It's going to be the right amount of squeeze of resistance to then push us to another level of consciousness, and we just don't know what that level of resistance is for each person.

Interesting perspective. Yeah, I find that really powerful. And I look at my life, and I think about some of the challenges that I've had, and I oftentimes wonder, like, am I a little bit suffering? Like, do I like to go through a little bit of discomfort and pain? And I just want to give you an example, because I've had numerous brushes with death, as many of our audience has have heard, and some of the experiences I've had have not been full on near death experiences, but like stranded in the desert on a plane that explodes in mid flight, like I'm serious, like, these are real stories, and I always like reflect on those experience and say, okay, like, what in my spirit needed that experience? And even though I'm not, not necessarily conscious of the choices, am I hooked into needing those experiences or needing those stories for myself? And I mean, it's just a beautiful piece of contemplation for me, but I see you have some thoughts about it, so I'd love to hear kind of your perspective, like, do people attract suffering and drama and trauma, and why do we do that?

Well, yeah, and this goes to a whole other level of awareness around brain and brain chemistry and kind of reactions internally we're having to external stimuli. Do you know who Joe Dispenza is? You probably, oh

yes, you betcha.

So he really touches on this when, when he's touching, when he's talking about trauma, in terms of our brain gets actually addicted to the chemical response of a specific situation. You consciously going, I don't want chaos anymore in my life. I've got to get out of the chaos. Why is my life continuing to attract chaos? And my brain is going, I'm comfortable in chaos. Apparently, I'm going to turn towards it when there's chaos, when there's an accident on the side of the road. I'm going to stop when there's conflict in the family. I'm going to lean in. You see where I'm going. Oh yes, yeah. So that ends up being what's comfortable until we do a real reset on a chemical level, either through deep. You know, routine around meditation or something like Shadow Work is a reset on a chemical level, or like some deep somatic healing work that also can reset things on a on a chemical level. Until we do that, the brain chemicals are keep, are going to keep saying, Go towards that thing that you say you don't want.

Very interesting. Yeah, very interesting. I used to say that I thrived in chaos, and I don't, I don't want that in my life anymore, and so I really found this, like, beautiful calm in the stillness. And I also find that I have far less, like, drama happening around me, right? It like it doesn't show up as much anymore, in just allowing myself to come into this regulated state. So I love that you brought the science in there. Because, you know, I know a lot of people talk about like, Oh, your soul invited this experience. And I think there is a certain degree of truth in that, that the soul needs certain experiences in this life. But I also believe that we have a choice in how far down that rabbit hole we go and how much we sit in the suffering. You know, I hear about people complaining about things happening in their lives that aren't even happening to them. They're happening to somebody outside of them, but yet, they've made it their own problem, and then they've created some suffering in themselves for that, too. And I think that's tied to that chemical need of like, oh, you know, there's something exciting about this drama, you know. So I love that perspective. Thank you for sharing that Yes. And

I'll add one piece to that, there might actually be a payoff internally to going towards chaos over and over. I'm just gonna use chaos or drama as an example, right? It might be an internal payoff. I might feel like like a Savior. I might feel like a martyr. I might feel, you know, like I can go in and rescue people, like there's a real payoff in that also discovered

I actually am a bit of a rescuer myself. So I was so glad that you mentioned that, because I oftentimes see someone experiencing something, and I just, I want to go in and fix it or help it. And I think in some cases, I've, you know, stepped in when I probably shouldn't have, and as a result, I got some really hard knock lesson out of that experience. So I'm also learning that's like, okay, that's not my place, like, unless I'm being really invited in to to be the support and to have that role. I really have, like, stepped away from that and and it's helped me tremendously, because I don't feel the same overwhelm that I used to feel. So thank you for bringing that up. Yeah, thank you so much. All right, so you've already, you've given us this beautiful process, radical self accountability, reflection and authentic response as part of the steps. Is there anything else that you think we need to know that would help us as we continue to move through this beautiful journey of life and figure it out?

Yeah, well, what I would offer is it's not as scary as it maybe feels. You know, when we have that thing that we've been avoiding for so long, it can the the avoidance of it can actually build in the fear component. And so when now we're so afraid to feel the grief that's been locked in the body, or whatever it is in the body, that I'll I'll resist it with everything I've got. And so what I would offer is it's not as scary as our body has made it out to feel you once actually start to explore, we open up that door. We make space for it. It can be graceful, it can be joyful. It can be grace, filled full of exuberance and wonder and beauty, all of that can be present in the process.

I love that. I think that just shifts so much energetically about this, like I'm just so excited. I'm like, yay. We don't have to go through a dark end of the soul to do the work we in fact, there's an invitation for us to consciously choose stepping in when things are actually okay, versus waiting till shit hits the fan, which is what we typically do, right? Like I did this summer, I wait until I was really sick and almost on my deathbed before I'm like, oh, I need to deal with the grief of all of this loss and all of this death in my life, right? And so you're saying, hey, there's an invitation here for us to do this work without needing some big catastrophe or illness or something to happen first. And I think there's such power in us reclaiming our free will and making those conscious choices, knowing that this is the very best for us.

Yes, absolutely, that was beautiful synthesis.

Ah, good. I'm glad. Glad you liked it so Natalie, if someone is listening and they're like, oh my gosh, she's my person, and I need to reach out to her. What do you have in store for people? Like, what's the next step that people can lean in with?

Well, I am offering a 30 minute free session with me to anyone who reaches out. And it's a life activation session, which means in 30 minutes, which isn't a huge amount of time, and in 30 minutes, we can kind of pinpoint where some of these big blocks are and take some, you know, really support someone to take some steps towards changing them. Awesome. And then I also offer, for those who who have a session with me, then I'll offer a free healing circle. So those Magdalene healing circles that you were talking about,

Your goes every month now, so oh my gosh, that is so brilliant. So we're gonna have those links in the chat or in the show notes for you that are who are listening. So don't be worried. You will have that information in the show notes, so that you can reach out to the magic of Natalie. Natalie, I I learned so much today, and I'm so grateful that we had this time together. I always love spending time with you. You bring such a beautiful light into the world. So thank you so much for being with us today.

Thank you. DeeAnne, what an honor, truly.

Ah, so beautiful. All right, folks, that wraps up our show for today. Can't wait to be with you next time. Until then, take care and keep listening to spirit calling you all the time. Bye for now.

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