The Science of Food

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Our guest today is someone whose name I've heard growing up and many times over the years. It is the legendary Udo Erasmus, who is the co founder of Kudoz choice line, which can be found in Whole Foods and other health food stores worldwide, who design the machinery for making oils with health in mind and pioneered flax oil a billion dollar industry. However, Udo walked a difficult path to become the man he is today. Being a child of war oodles life began with intense struggle. As an adult he got pesticide poisoning in 1980, leaving doctors at a loss regarding treatment. Deciding to take his house into his own hands. Udo began researching and his discoveries led him to a passion for finding the answers to life's big questions, which would hopefully one day bring him and the world peace. Today, Udo is an acclaimed speaker and author of many books, including the best selling fats that heal fats that kill which has sold over 250,000 copies. He teaches at events hosted by Tony Robbins and Deepak Chopra, and has keynoted an international brain health conference and traveled to over 30 countries to conduct 1000s of live presentations, media interviews, and staff training, impacting more than 25 million lives with his message on oils. health, peace, nature and human nature. Udo has an extensive education in biochemistry, genetics, biology, nutrition, including a master's degree in counseling psychology. I cannot wait to dive in with Udo today.

Hello and welcome to in Spirit calls. You know I had Udo on a while back and I loved our interview so much that I decided to bring him back in for a next are special second spot. So Udo Welcome back.

Glad glad to be here again. Last time, it was fun. It'll be fun again.

It will be fun again. And I'm so excited to dive right in. So we're switching gears a little bit. Last time, we talked a lot about spiritual stuff. And today we're going to be talking about more about our health, more about what we can do to live better quality of lives in the physical sense. So I'm going to let you start us off. And tell us about your health journey because you created some incredible products that a lot of people have been using for a long time. I remember my mum talking about oodles oils back in the day. So I know you have so much to share with us. So why don't you start us off in helping us to understand how you got today was oil. How did you find your way to that particular world?

Yeah. Okay, so in 1980 Well, actually, in 1976, my marriage broke up. Yeah. And I was really upset. I wanted to kill something. And, you know, so I mean, I was really it was really intense. I had three kids and you know, and so because I wanted to kill something, I took a job as a pesticide sprayer. And I had gotten to my I had gotten my license to spray pesticides on a gardening job that I had before that. And you know why? Why pesticide poison, I wanted to kill something and pesticides, the only reason we make pesticides is to kill living things. Right. So that was the perfect job for me for my emotional state. And so, and I had gotten 99 and a half percent on my exam to become a pesticide sprayer. Wow. And I actually saw it I'd got 100% on I saw it. I actually called the guy and I said are you sure you didn't make a mistake marking my exam? He said, Well, he said, Let me see. He said, Well, how many? How many instars in a crane fly. And that's insect development. Right? Okay. How many instars in a crane flies at four. He said Well, you circled to that and that was the mistake I had made. I knew they were four. I don't know why I circled two. Anyway, so I was really good at it. I you know, and so I got a job as a pesticide sprayer and I was Super careless, super careless, I literally sprayed lawns I had a tractor with a with a tank on the back and I would drive the tractor and I would do it in summer. It's summer. You spray pesticides in summer? Yeah, I would spray it in a bathing suit and, and barefoot because I liked getting a tan because I was pretty vain. Now you know how it goes. If you're discontent, then you know if you're white, do you want to be darker? And if you're dark, you want to be whiter. Right? So when you're discontent? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever you got is not is not enough. Yeah, you know, you want something different, right? Yeah. Because you think if something was different, maybe you'd feel different. But that's not how it works. But that's what you what we think when we're confused.

So I was and I walked barefoot over the lawn. So I had sprayed with pesticides, and then the skin peeled off the back of my off the bottom of my seat. So I said, Okay, this is not good. So I just wore rubber boots. So rubber boots in a bathing suit. And the wind would drift, the drift despair spray on my back. And I noticed that quite a few times. And there was a woman I worked with and she said, Aren't you worried you're gonna get poisoned? And I said, Nah, I'm immune. And we call that testosterone poisoning. Our guys sometimes get poisoned by their own testosterone to do really crazy things. Yeah, until they get their first self self created disaster, right? Yeah, I did this for three years, full time. And I got poisoned by pesticides. Why? And at that point, we were spraying like a big industrial situation. And they wouldn't let us clean up for lunch. They didn't want pesticides in their kitchen, basically. So they wouldn't let us clean up. So I ate my sandwich. And I know that I licked some some pesticides off of my singers eating my sandwich. Wow. And very quickly, I ended up completely trashed. So I got what happened. I got nausea, dizziness, cramps. And if I turned my head, it felt like my head turned, but my brain didn't know that's obviously not possible. But that's what it sounds like. Right? Yeah, I'm just giving you the symptom, right. And I had no energy, I was 38 years old. And if I walked around a city block, I would have to sit down and rest. I was like an old guy in his 80s. Now I'm at one hour, and I don't need to rest when I walk around the block. But at 38 I had to do that. And so I knew I'd gotten poisoned. I knew what had happened. And I went to the doctor and said to the doctor, what do you have for pesticide poisoning? And she said nothing. And then I went, then I went, then I've called the people who certified me to spray and said, Can you send me the research literature on pesticide poisoning? Because when I took the course they nobody talked about you could get poisoned by these. Right? Nothing. So they said, so they said, No, we can't do that. I said, well, because I've been poisoned by the pesticides. I sprayed. And they said, you know, you've probably just got the flu, because, you know, it's going around. So now I got really mad. And I went to Greenpeace. Greenpeace started in Vancouver. So I knew the guys at Greenpeace and I went to Greenpeace. And I said, What do you have? You know, because they work with environment. What do you have? What do you have on pesticide poisoning? And I talked to two ladies. And one of them camp came with a stack about two feet high of different research papers on pesticide poisoning. Wow.

And started reading, I started reading all of that. And so like, and then my palms started to sweat. You know, when your palms sweat, it's like, because you're like really nervous, because I found out that more than 60% of the pesticides that we spray around in the environment, cause cancer. Wow. And so I thought, Oh, my God, I have cancer to look forward to. Dr doesn't have anything. What do I do? And so I decided I was already able to go to the complex inside. Because, you know, sometimes when you get stressed you go crazy. Yes. So I was able to go to that because I had started doing that practice eight years before. And so I said, Okay, well, I have biochemistry background. I know I have genetics background. I'm pretty good in the world of molecules. Let me see what I can do for myself. They're not going to do it. I'm on my own lighthouse is my responsibility. I sort of knew that and I wasn't like ever really a major junkie that we had pretty simply, you know, mostly big garden and lots of Whole Foods and no pesticides. So I was you know, and I wasn't like, it wasn't philosophical. It's just how I grew up. Yeah. And so I kind of was, I knew health was my responsibility. But then, but that penny really dropped. Oh my god, health is really my responsibility. And what I've done, what I have done is super irresponsible for my health. Wow, spraying pesticides is super irresponsible. When you don't use mask and you don't have covering and you walk through it barefoot. Really, really super irresponsible. Wow. And so then I thought, Okay, well, how do you fix it? Well, if you do the opposite of what you did to get it, done, that should fix it. So how do you do that? Right, you do that? You can't.

So the first thing is back in know, the first thing is you stop spraying pesticides, right? Yeah. Now before you drain the basement, turn off the tap. Right. Okay, so So obviously, that was the first thing. But then the second thing was, I knew from studying biology, that your body is always turning over. Yeah. You know, and in a year. Like, if you and I meet a year from now 98% of the atoms in your body today will have been removed and replaced. 98% 88% Yeah, in fact, if you drink as much water as you're supposed to drink 15 times your body weight of water goes through your body in one year. 5016 times. Wow. Right. And in a lifetime, you drink somewhere between 88 and 110 tons of water. Oxygens about 18 tons that's going through your body all the time. And then food goes through your body all the time to Yes, right. And a different atoms move through your body at different rates. So vitamin C will go through faster than calcium, for instance, right? Because calcium goes to your bones, and then it's in your bones. And then it's removed from your bones for work in the body. You know, and eventually you pee it out or whatever, right? Yeah, so So I knew that the body is always turning over.

So then the obvious thing is, well, if something is wrong with your body, then if you raise your standard for food intake, and I wasn't thinking about water and air, but that's important, too. But at that time, so if I raise my standard for food intake, my body will have been rebuilt 98% in one year. Yeah. And by the way, that's why healing is possible. Because the body is always turning over. If the body didn't turn over. If you got wrecked, you could never heal. That's right, right. But it's always moving over so and so you raise the standard. By the way, if you think you're too healthy and you want to get sick, then what you want to do is lower your standard, then in one year, you will have rebuilt your body to a lesser to a to crummy or standard. Right? Wow. Right? Yeah. And so you think about that, and it's like, oh my God, there's so much that we could do for ourselves by just raising the standard. So what is the standard? Well, fresh, whole, raw, organic, that's nature's mandate for every creature that eats fresh, whole raw, organic, and free human beings probably mostly plant based. Because there was a time when a hunters had rocks to hunt with. Yeah. And when they came home without meat most of the time. So then what did they do? Well, plants don't run away, they don't fight back. So they're easy to hunt down and kill. Yeah, so they didn't have meat, they had vegetables. Right? And vegetables cover the planet. You know, animals are one here, one there, you know, few few. There are a few herds over there, you know, but there's way more plants and animals. In fact, 40% of the biomass on the planet is trees. 40% and human beings biomass is 0.1%. Oh, wow. That's quite odd. So, yeah, yeah. And, and the plants, you know, populated the surface of the planet. Billions of years before animals began to appear. Had to Yeah, because plants are the foundation of life on the planet actually has microbes and then plants, and then animals and in humans, right, right. And so, and so I started looking at that, and I ended up because I had the background. I went into the research. And I looked at everything to do with health and nutrition and disease and nutrition. And they were at that time 16 million research studies cited in Medline 16 million. I don't know how many there Now there's probably 25,000,020 1 million, I don't know. And I started looking through all that always focused on health, nutrition, disease and nutrition. And I was looking at mineral. So out of that came, there are 42 essential nutrients that we have two that we cannot make in our body from anything else. But we have to have them to live and be healthy. So we have to bring those in from outside. If we don't get enough of any one of those essential nutrients, our health will deteriorate, and we will get deficiency symptoms, right? Those will get worse with time. And if we don't get enough, long enough, we die. There's 42 of them. But if we're our health is deteriorating, because we're not getting enough, and before we die, because by definition, death is not reversible. Before we die, you bring enough of the two lone essential nutrients back into the diet, then all the problems that come from not getting enough are reversed. That's the definition of an essential nutrient. And there has to be at least one biochemical reaction in the body in which that nutrient is essential, and without which that biochemical reaction cannot take place. That's the definition of any central nutrient.

Okay, that was done by researchers on the basis of experiments, they made diets that didn't have the thing they thought might be essential, they'd make a diet for animals that didn't have that one thing in it. And then they would watch, if the animal was fine and didn't deteriorate, then it wasn't an essential nutrient. And if the animal deteriorated, then it was an essential nutrient. And if they brought it back into the diet from which they'd removed it, and the animal recovered, then it was clearly an essential nutrient. And that definition applies to 18 minerals, 13 vitamins, nine essential amino acids that come from proteins and two essential fatty acids that come from fats. And then I got so I was looking at all of that, because I wanted to understand health because you know, and I got poisoned by pestis. All of a sudden, I became super interested in health, right? Yes, yeah. And Anna, and I was on my own so. And so I was looking at everything. And then I got stuck on on oils. And a reason came out of just an experience I had, I read a research article that said Omega six essential fatty acid called linoleic acid, which is in sound, and pretty much all of the seed oils is an essential nutrient, by the definition I just gave. It's an essential nutrient. You have to have it to live in big house, and you got to bring it in from outside.

And the very next study I read said, Omega six, gives you cancer and kills you. Oh. And then my head exploded. Like, yeah, like, what, what? What the hell? Right? I have to have it. So it can kill me. Right? Yeah. And then I said, there must be something else going on here. This cannot be like, like, like, it just doesn't, doesn't compute. Yeah, right. So what I found out in digging deeper, and I'm kinda like that kind of a person, you're when it gets a hold of me, it's like, I got an O. So that I dug deeper, and I found out that the essential fatty acids omega six, linoleic acid and Omega three, alpha linolenic acid, are essential nutrients, they are the most sensitive of all of our essential nutrients to being damaged. And they're damaged by light, by oxygen, and by heat. Oh, so they are the nutrients that need the most care. But we actually give them the least care, we throw our, our oils in the frying pan and turn them into smoke. And we think that's okay. But you know that, you know that if you turn oil into smoke, you've changed the chemistry. Yeah, right. We fry our foods, we burn them, we burn the oil. And then you taking natural molecules that life made a program to to work with in your body, because they existed in nature. And you turn them into molecules that never existed in nature or in our food supply. And you think that and you stick that's not going to have any consequences? No, you're turning them into stuff that the body doesn't have a message for taking down and then they pile up in your body and then they interfere with what's supposed to be going on wherever they're located in your body. They interfere That's how you get sick. Wow. Right? Either you're missing something that's essential. Yeah, that'll make you sick, or you're getting something that doesn't belong in your body that's toxicity. So it's two trician and toxicity. Right. And so that's so and then omega three is five times more sensitive to damage than omega six, it is much harder to find, because it's more polar. It's a warming oil, it has very high energy, and we'll get back into that. So there's less of it around. It's mostly it, there's not a lot of it in the tropics, there's more a lot of it at the poles. So omega threes come from Northern session, and Arctic krill, and from penguins and whales, and, and, you know, animals that live in the north, that need high energy because they live in really cold water. And they have to get be able to escape from predators. And omega threes gives them the kind of energy that even at low temperature gets them going. Right. So it's a good adaptation for, for critters that live in, in the app in the north. Now, the other thing is that 99%, I found out 99% of the population does not get enough omega threes for optimum health, plus, like nine when every percent 99. Wow, just about everybody. And every cell requires some because the body makes hormone like regulating molecules that regulate cell activity in every cell in the body, and there's 60 trillion cells.

So really important, essential, and 99% doesn't get enough. And then I found out that when oils are being made by industry, they don't pay attention to their sensitivity either. So they treat them with sodium hydroxide, which is a very corrosive base, then with phosphoric acid, a very corrosive acid, then they bleach the oils, because the wood gives color to a molecule attracts light and then the light will damage the oil. So they take them out. And then when they do that, the oil goes rancid now It smells bad and tastes bad, and nobody would buy it. So they have to deodorize the oil distinct arise the oil, I call it sometimes you have to deodorize the audit to do that, you have to basically boil off the rancid molecules at frying temperature. So these oils are fried before they go in a plastic bottle, which you shouldn't do either because plastic leeches into oils. Because plastic swells when you put oil in it, and then plastic leeches into our quicker than into water. So So all of these oils that are sitting on the shelf in plastic bottles with light going through the plastic, have been damaged half to 1%, a half to 1% by the industrial processing, except for extra virgin olive oil, which is made in a completely different way. Okay, so I find Okay, well, let's say this half a percent, you know, and I called the all chemists society, because they're the umbrella organization for the oil industry. And I said, I want to talk to a researcher. So they put him on the put him on the line. And I said to him, you know, I've read in the research that a half to 1% of the oil molecules are damaged, by the way you process it. When you know that why do you do that? Would you know it does damage? Why do you do that? You said Well, one of the reasons we do that is that when we deodorize the oil, and he didn't say but I'll add to it at frying temperature, right? We can get rid of half of the pesticides in the world. And in my head, I'm going What do you mean, the other half of the pesticides stays in the oil. I didn't even know they were pesticides in oils. Why nobody ever told me that when I studied lipids, that that there pesticides and oils. And so I didn't say that to him. But that's you know, that was not a good thing to say to a guy who'd been poisoned by pesticides, right? And so I said to him, Well, why don't you start with organically grown seeds, then you don't have a pesticide poison to deal with. And there was total silence at the other end of the phone. And I waited, you know, I you know, I can talk about it. I can actually can also be quiet and listen. So I waited. And it seemed like really long. There was silence and then he came back and he was really angry. Said I don't know what your problem is. The Oil is 1% it's only 1% damage, and it's 99% good. And if you got 99% on the exam, you'd be damn happy, wouldn't you? So of course I told you they might pass my pesticide exam. I was not impressed with 99%. Like he was I used to get 100% in genetics, because it was my favorite topic, and I loved it. And then, in one of the exams, I got 100%. And the next best Mark was 62. Old. I was good at anyway. So, but then I thought, Well, okay, well, maybe I'm overreacting, because it's only 1%. So there's a saying, When in doubt, do the maths. Yeah. I decided, how many damaged molecules? Am I going to get in a tablespoon of oil? If that oil is 1%? damaged? Right, that's a one way to get a number. Yeah. And now I'm asking you that question. And I want you to guess, and I know you don't have the basis for making it. But there's a reason why I'm doing it. Oh, how many damaged molecules in a tablespoon of an oil? That is 1% damaged by the processing? This is before it gets fried?

Well, I'm going to assume I mean, how many millions of molecules are in a jar?

In a tablespoon,

or in an, Well, an entire tablespoon? How many molecules? Let's see.

Yeah, you don't know. You don't know. And that's the but that's, that's good. That's good. Yeah.

So I'm just going to say like, Well, I mean, I'm going to assume there's let's just say there's 10,000 molecules, and then tablespoon, and

1% damage would be 100

100. There we go.

Okay, that's 100 as two zeros, right? Yep. Would you like to know the actual number? Yes, it's a way. It's 17 more zeros to your 100 and a six in front of it.

Well, yeah, molecules are pretty small. It's probably word

Molecules are really small. Now here's but here's the reason why I do this. I love doing this. Because it's, it's it can be so instructive. So So there's 60 quintillion. We have 1003 zeros. 1000 million, billion, trillion quadrillion quintillion as six followed by 19 zeros. That's the number of damaged molecules in a tablespoon of oil, if it has been 1% damaged in his legacy quintillion, that's more than a million damaged molecules for every one of your body. 60 trillion cells. Wow, know why I do this? You know, and when I do this, like in live lectures, I do it all the time, I get a few people guessing, right? They're never any higher than a billion times too low. Wow. And so I say to them, okay. You're going to fly home for the holidays, and you're ready to board your plane. And somebody who you know only ever tells the truth tells you, by the way, did you know that your chance of crashing and dying on this flight was a billion times higher? Or in your case? 600 quadrillion times? Higher than you thought it was? Would you get on the plane? No, no, I was in Ireland one time when I said and I said, you know, I would canoe back to Canada. Yeah. My audit, I my odds would not be good. But it'd be better than getting on the plane. If it was if they the chance of crashing and dying. Of course, planes don't crash that often. Right. But the point that I'm making is worried taking these oils. Not only that, they've got pesticides in them. There's plastic in them. Yeah, they're unbalanced. We put them in the frying pan, you got another add another zero to the damage done by frying? Yeah. Right. And then we do that for we don't do one tablespoon a day, we do two to four. So you got to multiply that in. And then you do that for 30 years, you got to multiply that number by 11,000. Because that's the number of days in 30 years. So you're bringing this enormous quantity of damage molecules into your body deliberately by eating oils and frying oils and using these oils, right? Yeah. And so if you've underestimated by more than a billion times the damage you're doing to your body, does that gives you cause to stop and say, gee, maybe I shouldn't be using oils like that. Right? And maybe I shouldn't be using oils that way. And so what came to meat out of that is like, Oh my God, if we could make oils with health in mind, because they're, they're made with shelf life and mind not with health mind, right, we could make oils with health in mind. And we could bring the Omega threes that are too low in everybody's diet. And we could bring in Omega sixes that are not damaged. And we could balance them properly. Oh my god, we could help almost everybody. Wow. And, and I got so excited. Oh my god, we could help so many people. Oh, my God. And that, you know, and there's something that feels good in the chest when you help. Yeah, no, we're made for helping. You're right. And especially, but we maybe don't see that until we get, you know, get reconnected to our heart here, which we talked about before.

But so I was like, oh my god, we could help almost everybody. And it was like, I found a purpose for my life. I've got found something that's really worth doing. I tried lots of things. And I would say at some point I'd get to, this is not worth doing. Right. I quit. I quit with this was Oh my god. And then it was like I had no business background. It was total enthusiasm that drove that product. That project. We made decisions every day. And we set we set standards for how the oils need to be made. And then we we built a very tight pressing system where no light, no oxygen, and only low temperature get to the oil. Wow. And so and that has to be really, really, really tight. Yeah, and nobody's doing that. So we had to custom make parts for the machinery. Wow. And so out of that then came flaxseed oil. That was my first oil because it's the richest source of Omega threes twice as much as in fish oil, but in a in the plant version. Okay. And so we thought okay, flax oil. You know, let's bring flax oil made was Helston mind, oils made with house in mind. And I thought what? Oh my God. And so we literally I did a tour in 1988 in a van without air conditioning and the hottest months in, in the US. July August, half of September, half of June 101 days, we went to 85 cities. 35 states 17,000 miles by road. Why we talked to anybody who would listen about our flex or maid was held in mind. In two years, flax oil became the second highest selling oil in the natural foods trade, which is where we were at. Wow, we talked to everybody and it was fun. And we busted our butts. And it never felt like work because there was this enthusiam Oh my god. This is like this is a noble cause this is they are this is a divine mission. Yeah. You know, I'm on a mission from God. It's kinda like, Oh, yeah. And I mean, there are a lot of things that happened. The FDA close the border, I was we were working in Canada, the FDA close the border to flag so they used to call it linseed oil. And there was a version on the market that was not made with health in mind. And the FDA had had classified it as an unsafe food additive, because it's so sensitive to going rancid and being broken down. So they close the border. And over Thanksgiving, one year, we moved our whole operation to Washington State. Because at the border, we had no recourse. If it was in the US, they would have to take us to court. And so we ended up building the factory in the US. And then they left us alone, except they tried to tell us that it was an unsafe food additive. And so we said why is that? And they said well, because you added to food. So are all other oils, food additives? No. It was they were just doing that for hours. Yeah. And so we pushed them and we pushed them and they backed off. Good. And so 10 years later, I met one of the one of the FDA, guys, and I said to him, why didn't you guys shut us down? And he said, Well, we wanted to. We tried hard. But every time we tested the oil that you guys had made within the shelf life you had put on it, which was three months when we started because we hadn't done all the research, but we knew three months was okay. Yeah. Within three months, the oil was never rancid. So we couldn't, you know, so we would have had to take you to court and we couldn't have one on the basis of not actually being able to prove that the oil was rancid. So it wasn't an unsafe food. I did it and we did something that I think is really useful. We knew they had a job to do who wishes to protect the public? If they're doing their job? Yeah. And that's a whole other story. And we had a job to do, which is to make omega threes made with house in mind accessible to everybody. We quit. Yeah. So we never ever told anybody that flax oil was an unsafe food attitude, and unsafe food additive, or told anybody that the FDA was saying that. So we said, You know what the FDA has a job to do, let them do their job, we have a duty job to do. We are going to do our job and never ever talked about it because we knew the oil we had made was good for our because it was fresh. We even made the distinction between linseed oil which is not fresh, and flax seed oil that comes from the same seed. Right. But that was the fresh oil made without in mind the first oil made without in mind that I developed. Wow. And so and now it's a it's a multibillion dollar. It's a billion dollar a year business, globally. Wow. And research being done on alpha linolenic acid, there wasn't much research there. Other than we knew it was essential. That wasn't proved until until 1981, which was the year after I got poisoned. So my timing for getting into the Omega three area was was perfect. It was Divine. Divine. Divine. Absolutely. So there's lots of things that happened. I mean, yeah, you can't do the timing. You know the timing as always in in greater hands on yours.

Yes. I love how spirit called you in through your experience though it up by like, what? That that job ended up being? Right?

Yeah, yeah, it's sometimes and you look back at your life, and you see the places that were your biggest disasters. Moston become the starting point for your biggest triumphs. Absolutely. Oh, I love that. Because Because when you fail when you fail in one way or another, because those are failures, right? When you fail, there's you realize there's something to learn. That's Oh, you blame it on somebody and you don't do their learning? Well, but if you see, okay, I did that to myself. I walked barefoot through over those lawns and, and I licked it off my fingers. And I took the job, you know, and I want it to kill something. So that was me. Yeah. Right. So if you'd look at what is the part do you play in your tragedies? Wow. Yes. Then they become. Then they become learning. They tea, huge,

Huge learning, learning, and ultimately triumphs, ultimately, triumph. So a couple of things here, you have so much wisdom around this. I just want to bring a few things to the forefront. I you know, a lot of people will say to me, they're like, Dan, there's just so much information like do I do a 24 hour fast? Do I do a 16 hour fast? Do I have this oil? Do I have this? And you mentioned at one point to like, you know, when you were doing your research, you had research showing had cancer research showing it was helpful. And I think that's the world that we're living in right now. We're getting on it posing ideas.

So there should be there must be a lot of exploding heads around.

Exactly. Yeah. Is there something that you would encourage people to do when making decisions for their health and they're already feeling overwhelmed? You know, what might you have to help us along the way?

Okay, I would say that the most. And this is what I do. By the way, when I when I look at making products and stuff, I always ask the question, how was it in nature before we got civilized? Ah, love the how is it? Or how is it for the rest of nature? Because the birds aren't civilized. So if the ones we civilized, you know, but, you know, how is it for the birds and how is it for the bees? You know, and that's where this thing fresh whole raw organic comes from? Right? Right? Yours? No, no animal cooks their food, no animal fries, their food, right? Okay. And we came out of nature, we are a part of nature, even though we wear clothes and we're not running around naked, like the rest of nature does. They all run around naked, right? So so we hide from that, but we are part of nature. And we depend on nature and every molecule that belongs in the body and every essential nutrient comes from nature either comes as minerals, or it comes as vitamins. We can't make those vitamins in our body. Plants make them for us. Yes, we can't make BT vitamin B 12. Microbes make that we can't make the central amino acids, we can make some amino acids, there's 21, but we can we can't make nine of them. Those nine have to be made by plants and then go into animals. So we get them from outside and and then the minerals vitamins and then the central fatty acids. You know plants don't need essential fatty acids. They're not essential for them because they can make them so they make them for us and we We depend on plants to get to. Wow. Right? So always look in terms of how was it in nature before we got civilized. And if you want to learn about health study biology, not medicine, because medicine, medicine is based on molecules that did not exist in nature. That's why they have side effects. And there's not a single problem on the planet that comes from a drug deficiency. A pharmaceutical drugs. Yeah, we have lots of problems that come from zinc deficiency or magnesium deficiency, or vitamin C deficiency, or omega three deficiency, or damaged minerals and vitamins and essential amino acids and essential fatty acids. Wow, that and in health, it's almost always like, either you're getting too little of what you need. That's the essential nutrients or you're getting too much of which you shouldn't be getting. That's the toxicity. Right? It's the sides plastic pharmaceutical drugs, industrial chemicals. Yeah, damaged food molecules is a really big one. Because we do that to ourselves. Yes. Oh, yes.

So if if you want the research is also clear. Now if you want the longest, healthiest life, plant based, whole food, whole food plant based, wow, it has to be whole fruit, not margarine. Right. Not sugar. Those are plant based. Yeah, Whole Foods. Whole Foods. Yeah. And raw as much as possible. You know, sometimes you do have to cook some things. But you know, the digestive, you know, there are enzymes, or let me let me go into that too. There are enzymes in raw foods, that when you choose them properly, they'll do about 60% of the digestion of the food for you. Wow, in the hour that it's waiting to get into the acid bath in your stomach. Wow. Okay. 60%. Now, if you cook food, you destroy those enzymes. And now your body has to do more than twice the work it was supposed to be made be doing. And then the immune system has to get involved. Yeah. And then the immune system is not free to do all the other jobs it's supposed to do in the body like patrolling and yes, digesting inflammatory proteins and making sure that nothing undigested no undigested protein makes it into your body, or viruses, bacteria, funguses and other critters, right? That's its job. But its first job is in digestion. Because so much foreign material goes through your digestive tract, that there has to be there. The cops have to be there to protect the borders in mind saying Right, yeah, as lead so and they end your digestive tract is actually outside your body, like the inside of your digestive tract is outside your body. Right, because it's just a hole through your, you know, it was and then all of this stuff gets, you know, acid gets put into this place outside your body, and enzymes get put in there, and they have to break everything down. So all you bring in is the essential nutrients which are common to all the creatures and all the foods we eat, but they're broken down completely and then you reassemble them into your proteins, right? Because you're turning a chicken into a human being you're turning a fish into a human being you're turning a cow's butt into a human being, you're turning milk into a human being right. But to do that, you have to break it down to all the building blocks, right? Otherwise you would get anaphylactic shock and I would kill you eventually. Wow. So that has to be taken down and so enzymes when you eat cooked foods, you should take enzymes with them to replace the enzyme that you destroyed when the foods were cooked. Now enzymes are not essential nutrients but they are essential to health because they do their job outside the body the essential nutrients do their job inside the body. Yes, the second one

I would just wanted to say it's so fascinating to me. When I think about my immune system I don't think about it really being in my stomach and what you just shared there was really important because really we have you need like you said you need the cops there the police there to govern you know what's happening. Border Patrol.

Yeah. So and they're not in your they're not in your stomach, they're in the lining of your digestive tract. Ah, wrong the entire lining of your digestive tract, especially in the small intestine. Wow. Okay, because that's where most of the absorption of nutrients is. Yeah, they have to be there to help with digestion. If you're not getting the foods properly digested and enzymes take a load off your digestive system that frees your immune system to do its other jobs. It's very important here in the US. Yep. And then the other one is probiotics, friendly bacteria, you know they're 10% of the time biomass. 40% is trees. 10% is bacteria, or microorganisms, right? And percent were 0.1%. So there's 100 times more bacterial biomass than human biomass on this planet. Okay? And I divide bacteria into three kinds. And this is like a, just like an easy way to understand it. What is the rot bacteria? Their job is to turn over your body after you die. Yeah. Or they're there everywhere because things are dying all the time. And they're recycling. They're the recyclers, right? Yeah, so those are the rot bacteria, then there are bacteria call them sick bacteria. They would love to live inside your body inside your digestive tract, because it's warm and there's lots of food. If they got in there, then they would make you sick. So typhoid and cholera and salmonella, and certain kinds of E. coli and Legionnaires disease and, you know, there's, there's a, there's a whole bunch of giardia, there's a whole bunch of them. And the third ones are the probiotics, the beneficial bacteria, the protective bacteria. And their job is to keep the unfriendly bacteria that making it to your digestive tract from getting out of hand. Right. So they're the controller's of the system. Now, when you eat raw foods, if you were running around naked in the jungle, which is kind of where we came from, right? Yeah. And you were eating raw foods like hand to mouth, you know, pick it eat it? Yeah, well, there are probiotics on the outside of those foods when they grow in nature, because they come out of the top fermenting layer of the soil. And when the plant pushes through this through the the earth, then the soil bacteria, they the soil and the rot bacteria are stripped back and stay in the soil. And they pick up probiotics in this fermenting layer on the leaf. Wow, you eat them, and you get probiotics in your mouth. And then they work their way through your digestive tract. And they protect your digestive tract. So when you cook your food, you kill them. So you if you eat cooked food, you need to also replace the probiotics that you kill.

Wow. I think we should just go live in the bush again, Udo.

As much as much as we can. We should.

Yeah, I think you know, I've got to wrap things up for today. Yeah, this you know, I'm my wheels are turning in my mind here of all the things and the changes I need to make. So you don't just do oil now though. Do you have several products?

Yeah, I work with oils, enzymes. Probiotics. The third thing I went to is, is greens. We made a greens mix. That's, you know, and I used to say you you have to have the tongue of a cow to like the taste of grass. And David, this one is so good. It tastes so good. Most of them they taste kind of greens. Yeah, yeah, that's really really good.

Oh, great. I can try it because been on my mind. This is such perfect timing for me, I want to say because I've been thinking about adding a few things into my mix. So where can we go find your product? Do we go to stores? Or is there a website that we can go to Udo?

Yeah, you can go to Udoerasmus.com. Okay, you can see the products there. You can find them in the natural food stores. Beautiful. And you can even get them on Amazon.

Oh, wow. Though, we can get them anywhere. Well, we'll make sure to put what will your website in the show notes so everyone has access to that Udo I can tell that you're so passionate about this. And I just want to take all the knowledge that you have in your brain and put it in mind.

So we we might just have to do another one.

Yes, indeed. I don't. I feel like there's so much here that

We could talk about talking about total health, based in nature and human nature.

Oh, love it. So maybe part three, Hutto,

Part three, you might become addicted.

Right. Well, thank you so much for joining the show again for us. You're so appreciated and your passion and your wisdom is making its way further into the world. So thank you so much. Know your brain.

Yeah. And thank you for thank you for getting the word out. You know if it wasn't for you, I'd be talking to myself in the bathroom mirror. And and I'm and I'm over that.

Yeah. In there. Done that. Yeah. And they're done that we don't think so much. Okay. Thank you so much to all of you listeners. We're so glad to have you here. Time and time again. Until next time, on When Spirit Calls. Bye for now.

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