Finding Your Weird & Loving Yourself Fully

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Today's incredible guest is Paul Puzanoski, Paul is a mentor, consultant and brand strategist who helps conscious entrepreneurs and visionaries align purpose with action. Through creation Republic, He guides change makers to craft brands that don't just look good, they feel good, they move people and demand attention, aligning not just strategies, but souls. Because for him, this isn't about ticking boxes, it's about creating a ripple effect of purpose and impact. As an entrepreneur, since his early years, Paul has spent nearly 25 years building brands, launching businesses, and navigating both success and failure. He's facilitated over $7 billion in spending between brands, agencies and ad tech space, and helped raise more than 150 million for nonprofits. In recent years, his focus has been on mentorship, consulting and fostering deep connections. As the founder of Web Wellness and the web society and nonprofit and retreat based company, he was able to create transformative experiences centered on growth, alignment and impact, guided by his intuition purpose and a deep love for play, Paul believes life and business should be built with intention and a little bit of goofiness. When he's not mentoring or building brands, he's busy raising five kids and embracing the human experience. This is our guest today. Please welcome Paul to our show. Welcome back. I'm so happy to be with all of you again, and I have the beautiful man, Paul with us. Hi, Paul, so happy you're here with us.

Hey. Dee, yeah, happy to be here. Obviously, always excited to chat with you. We always have good, deep conversations

Rev. Rose Hope: I love it. It's part of why I wanted to get you on today, because you know you have done a lot of things in your life. You know you've explored a lot. And one thing I know for sure, what I've witnessed for sure, in you, is that you've let your heart lead you in most of those experiences that you've had. And so I'd love to start us off by just hearing about your backstory and how maybe spirit has shown up for you, how has it led you and and just kind of dive into that, because I think it's really important for us to be reminded that there is power in allowing ourselves to be led, you know. And I think it's so easy for us to get caught up in the conditioning and the programming and the ego that says, Oh, you have to do it this way. You're not that kind of guy. And so I want to share you with the world so that people can see that you can live a really authentic, beautiful, weird, wacky, whatever life you want, and find fulfillment in that. So will you start us off with a little story?

Sure, yeah, it's kind of funny. You mentioned that, and it's, it's really interesting to kind of look back. Interesting to kind of look back and see how, you know, I'm perceived now and then, where it all started where, yeah, I'll try and keep this the story short. But, you know, it wasn't always that way. So for, you know, like a lot of people, when I was younger, I, you know, I like to think I was fairly authentic to who I was. But you know, if I really look at it in a lot of aspects. I wasn't where, you know, like, like many people, we kind of start off young and silly and goofy, and then, you know, society is like, no fall into these constructs, live this way, do this. And this is what's important so, you know, and this is what success is. And so I really bought into that in a lot of ways. And, you know, fell into the money trap, for lack of a better term. And so I, I chased that, and kind of how I fell into spirit, or, you know, had an awakening, like many people, was, you know, a good kick in the ass and crisis and all the, all the things at once. So, yeah, so, like I said, I kind of, you know, went that entrepreneurial path very young, built a business in my early 20s, mid 20s, but it was completely out of alignment. Like it was not anything that I loved. It was just like, I want to be rich, you know, like, like many people, I got teenagers now, and they're all, yeah, I need to be a billionaire. But why? But why? You know, we don't really think about, well, what, what if we were, you know, what's, what's going to change? Are we living our life in a, you know, way that you know we want to right and is in alignment with our purpose and our core beliefs and and really who we are? And so, yeah, with that, I had, you know, some success, let's say, you know, was doing a few, few million dollars a year, you know, my mid 20s. But then I just hit a point I'm like, hey, well, now. What? And I was just miserable. And I had, you know, a few other, you know, the perfect storm as the universe or God, or whoever, you know, wants to, like, feel, yeah, here, that was cool. Now try this. And so just found myself in a place where I was just really suicidal. And, you know, like most days, you know, I had a couple kids at that time, at five now, but, um, you know, had two, I think, back at this point in my life. And, yeah, I just found myself driving home and going, Oh, that looks like a nice tree. I could just drive into that one. And, you know, as they now, how do they get the insurance and make it look like an accident? And so it just really hit this point of, like, just crisis, really, of like, not even knowing who I was and what I wanted. And, you know, I'd lived a lot of my life for everyone else. You know, it was, you know, I was grateful to have amazing parents, but I, you know, I didn't want to disappoint them. I wanted to do that for them. And then I was married, and, you know, I lived for my wife and my kids, and really lost my identity and my purpose in so many ways, and so, so that was, yeah, so that's what kind of sparked it all. And from there, I, you know, started seeking like, like many of us do, who kind of heard of like in that place, you know. And I found a retreat down in Sedona, and so I went down there and just completely shifted everything. You know, how to, I know the word awakening gets thrown out there, but I don't really know, really know of any other way of describing it, of, you know, going from wanting to kill yourself most days to, you know, I remember being in the shower and feeling, you know, being like through the water and like, I feel the connection to everybody and everything, and just like

Rev. Rose Hope: You had global basis, right?

Yeah such a huge shift in my life and catalyst to pretty much everything I've done for the last few years. And so again, I'm always like, how do I sum up my life story as short as possible? But really that led for me just living on purpose and and it's been a journey like it definitely isn't as linear as it sounds, you know. And it was like, Oh yeah, great. That was in way we go. Nope, lots of dark nights, and lots of, you know, dark times and challenges. And really, even just in the last year, I really feel I'm coming back into myself and coming into, you know, my best version of myself that I've ever had. And, and I know part of what we wanted to talk about, or I guess maybe what I wanted to talk about is just that, you know, really leaning into our authenticity and our weirdness and being goofy. And, you know, I really felt I lost that. And I bet you, there's a lot of people, you know, listening, you know, that could relate to that where, because I see all the time, where people are like, Oh, I have to deal with assholes, and I I have to be this way to fit into the corporate world. And I have to be this or do that at a the

Rev. Rose Hope: The have to, the have to, yeah, I played the have to game too. And like, oh, I have to do this thing, and I have to show up this way. And, man, it was, it was not fun. Like, the fun was gone for me. And I think you're right. I think a lot of us get caught up in that, like, taking life really seriously, right? Or or that dollar sign is what we're after, and then we, like, we miss so much of life in that way. So how did you shift then? Because, you know, it's beautiful that you went to Sedona. I'm a big fan of Sedona. Hosted a retreat there about a year and a half ago, and it was just so magnificent. Like, it's such a transformational space. But in addition to that, once you experienced that and came back, how did you lean into your purpose? Like, you know, you had this feeling like you were all connected and you knew you had to make some changes. I'm curious to know, were there steps? Was there something, an action that you took that allowed you to lead into that?

Yeah, definitely. I mean, we don't have enough time to get into all of them. It's, you know, a lot of different steps. You know, it's just some simple tools I brought back, I started, you know, having a regular practice of meditating every day, you know, just really connecting. And I think we talked about this the other day, of just really going deep and setting aside that time where I apologize if I'm butchering this, this quote, but it was, you know, something like, If you don't, if you don't have half an hour a day to meditate, you know, meditate for an hour, or something along those lines, were so the importance of it, you know, kind of just slowing down your head space, I guess. And I've always had a very busy mind, and yeah, you know, about 10 million things. And again, you know, really just, you know, how do I provide for my kids life, like you can get in this whole spin, right? Of anxiety. Let's say I used to have very crippling anxiety, which nobody ever knew, of course, but it was there in the inside I was completely trembling and shaking, and, you know, even to the point where eyes would adjust, and I would all of a sudden see people at different lengths that I almost, I don't want to say hallucinating, but like, my eyes would do weird things where I'm so anxious that, you know, visually, things were. It how they should be. So, yeah, just, you know, yoga was a big one when I really first started kind of diving into myself, let's say, and seeking myself and purpose and going inward, you know, like, I think that's really something important to highlight too. Is, you know, quite often I think I've seen a lot of people get addicted to that this person as the answer this. And it's like, you know, the word, these are teachers. These are tools, you know, these are guys to help you find that. And, you know, those are the best teachers out there. Of like, hey, like, hey, you know, they shine the spotlight. Hey, did you look over there? You know? And it's like for you to see it, you know. And so, and you can do that by yourself or with support. And so I think that's, that's a big part of where it all started was just, you know, basic practices and having a routine of it, and a curiosity and an addiction, for a lack of a better term, when you start like, you know, tapping into these things that feel good, of course, you're like, Yeah, I want more of that, you know. And it can be really beautiful. And at the same time too, just kind of fast forwarding, you know, there's times where, you know, I've had to have grace with myself, too. Of, you know, oh yeah, I used to be able to meditate for hours. Why can't I do that anymore? You know? And it's like we have this, like, rigidness and what we think it should be like, right? Or, or meditation is this right? And it's like, every time, you know, breath works different every time it's you know, every single practice can be different every time. And so I think, yeah, that's just something that popped into my mind.

Rev. Rose Hope: Yeah, I love that you said that actually, because I think it's a great reminder that, like, the experience gets to be different every time. Instead of attaching ourselves to like, oh, man, this is going to be this way. Rather than doing that just surrendering to whatever it is. You know, I did some pretty intense breath work, and I remember my first time, it was so unreal, like I left my body, like it was such a euphoric, like tangible experience for me, and it transformed me. And so the next time I did this major breath work experience, I was expecting, you know, these big shifts and these, you know, this out of body kind of experience, and the second time, it was so different. And I remember judging it. I remember being like, Oh, this experience was not what the first time was like. That sucked, you know. And I think the invitation is for us to actually not judge it at all, but to say, Oh, I had a different experience, but there was still value in it for me. And so even me going through that process of reflection, even that with that that differing experiences, I was still able to pull such value out of it in my own ego judgment of deciding whether something was a good experience or bad experience, and it's really helped me, like when I do I get to attend the sound baths, or if I'm doing a meditation, I really now just go in, surrendering To the experience being whatever it needs to be, and then I'm not holding myself hostage to a certain expectation, because I think that kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

Yeah, yeah. 100% Yeah. I love that idea and that approach, because it's it makes me think of So Trevor is a Trevor Yale who's a friend of mine and teaches breath work. And I just like I spent about a year did a psychotherapeutic somatic trauma training, very long name, but part of that training was and what I loved about it was just this playfulness and this curiosity around everything, you know. So when we're when we're practicing, you know, with partners, in the in the in the course, you know, everything's information, you know. And so I've really almost taken this outlook in everything I do, and like, you know, I'm living this human experience, and it's a giant experiment, like, there's no like, you don't win, we all die in the end, and maybe we win. We don't, I don't know, doesn't, you know? It's just kind of like, we're just here, kind of collecting information and an experience, you know. And my perception of whatever this is, you know. And so I really like taking that approach of like, there's no right or wrong way. And like said, if you get attached to that expectation of outcome, you know, it's you. You're already setting yourself up for disappointment, but also, at the same time, you're limiting what could happen if you're, oh, it's going to be this way if I go do breath work. Well, you might, you might blast off to outer space in a different way, or you might be different, you know, experience. And so I think it's just important to, you know, stay in that playfulness and not and even for me, the more times I've connected with spirits and guides and like, they're hilarious. They laugh at us all the time, you know, just like, you know, used it's like, oh, I don't know if I pick up the wrong blinds, you know. Like, and they laugh like, that's important, you know. And it is like, dismiss that in any way, because it is and it isn't right. And then, and I think before, actually, we started recording. Already we're, we're talking about it, it's exactly the energy you give it, right? So if we give it all this energy, then yeah, it's gonna have a bunch, you know. And so make it really just, yeah, I think going back a little bit to part of your question, that was kind of, you know, things I shifted as I really started flowing more and just, kind of just looking, observing a lot more, rather than trying to control everything. Because, I mean, that was a big part of why I was miserable. Because, you know, it's like, oh, I built this business, all this, like, I'm trying to control absolutely everything around me, and that's impossible.

Rev. Rose Hope: That's a lot of pressure, right? Yeah? Like, feel the need to control a lot of things. And I want to speak to that a little bit Paul, because I think, you know, I love the playful curiosity. I love the willingness to slow down a little bit, to not have these expectations of what it looks like, but to just have that playful curiosity piece. But you know, the the extension of that invitation, of course, is as we kind of go through this experience or the experiment, as you referenced it, as I think that we put so much pressure on ourselves, for us to show up in a certain way or to be a certain way, and that actual lack of self control oftentimes shows up in the need to control everything. Would you say that you didn't have a good connection with your own personal will and your own sense of control, your own sense of personal responsibility? Do you think that led to you feeling like you needed to control everything?

Yeah, 100% and I think kind of what I got when you're talking about that was I was remembering one of the sessions I had where I really and I mentioned earlier that I just lived for everyone else, and I even know who I was or what I wanted anymore. And you know, it's we're taught the Word selfish is this horrible word, you know, and adding a can be, you can be a total asshole, true self serving and awful, but you can also be, let's, you know, sort of selfish, maybe self loving, let's say, and self accepting and self knowing, which is so important. And I'm gonna say, the biggest thing I've worked on over the years, and I'm always working on it, you know, is this, who am I and what do I want? And and I didn't know that. And just even one of the sessions I had, you know, I think I went back to Sedona a few times, was, you know, something as simple as, you know, I'd clean the house, right? And it's a basic example that a lot of people would be like, Oh, I'd clean the house, because I want to do that for my wife or something, you know. And then just the simple shift was probably the biggest thing that ever happened for me was I'm going to clean my house, because I like living in a clean house. You know how I've let go of any expectation, and it can still be equal, or still something where it's like, I can do things for other people. I can show up, I can coach people, I can guide people. I can run retreats, and I can do that for me, because that fills me up. But as soon as I'm like, I'm doing this for you because you need it, that's that's the ego coming.

Rev. Rose Hope: Yeah, we lose the quality of the experience, don't we? And I say to say that we can do things for ourselves while doing things for others too, right, like, but if we're not doing them for ourselves in some way, I think we're missing the mark a little bit. And I mean, you're talking to like, world class people pleaser over here, you know. And there's a tendency that I've had in the past where I'm like, I'm doing it to appease somebody. I'm doing it to satisfy somebody else, not even realizing sometimes, or not being even conscious about the fact that I'm carrying some sense of resentment or some expectation for external validation in me showing up in a certain way. And once we let that go, then it's like, oh, okay, I get to clean the house for me, and as a byproduct, it's gonna make someone else feel good. What a great win. Win. That is right?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's, it's that for me, it was that again, going back that who am I? Like? Who am I if I take off these expectations, what society wants me to be, what a partner might want me to be, you name it, all these external factors, and go, What do I want? Yeah, here's that best version of myself and and I hear, hear it all the time too. Is this will, you know, people were so afraid of what other people think? Well, we're all trembling on the inside, I would argue. And we're all, we're all not everybody, you know, in general, and to a certain degree, like a lot of us all, just want to show up and be weird and goofy, because that's I, believe this, you know. And I may everybody, of course, may not believe this, but you know, I think we're all just wanting to come out and be authentic, you know, and be ourselves. And I guess most with taking that time to sit with who who we think we are, you think

Rev. Rose Hope: Who we think we are? Yeah, I think this is so great. Because, you know, I am a little silly. I am a little weird, you know. And I remember when I first started talking about angels on stages, and I was trembling inside, like I'm like, oh my god, people are gonna think I am effing nuts, like they're gonna think I'm out to lunch. And I even had a friend of mine message me when I first started doing intuitive work, and she says you can't post this stuff on social media. You're gonna lose all your clients, and you're gonna lose friends. And, like, berated me with her opinion about what I was doing, and it crushed me in a lot of ways, and I questioned whether or not I would continue doing the work. Like, that's how much it impacted me. Yeah, something inside of me, something rose inside of me and said, This is your destiny. Your job is to show that this person is way off the mark. And it wasn't coming from an ego place. It was coming from a place of love for myself, of love for my true, authentic expression. And so I actually ended up leveraging that experience instead of letting it stop me from moving forward, I actually used it as fuel. Yeah, I used it as like, Okay, I'm now motivated to show up in the world exactly as I believe I need to, as I am in my true, authentic self, to be able to even maybe prove to myself, in a way, that that was the best way. And I gotta tell you, it has been such a glorious gift for me, because the more I show up as me, the more beautiful synchronicities happen, the more opportunities show up for me. And it's been such a gift in me showing up at all my weirdness and woo, woo and all of that. Yeah. So I think, I think it's so beautiful that you've been able to come to this point in your life too, where it's like, I am who I am, and I love myself for it. Because I think what that does is it gives permission for other people to also stand in that truth. I want to go back just a minute, because you talked about also being the witness more in your life and being the observer. Can you explain what that means for you? Like, I have an idea of what it means for me, but I'm curious to know more what that looks like for you.

Yeah, I think it goes around to that kind of, more experimenting and zooming out, or, you know, touch on what you just shared, too, even that something, you know, where somebody makes a comment, and it's almost like that going deeper, looking at the bigger picture of, I don't know how this last for you, this is somebody who probably said, Hey, don't post that. And if you really burrow down, it's because they cared about you and or it could also be because it was their own ego thing, or their own mirror, their own reflection of, you know, I wish I know, like, I guess there's a bit of a side note, but I used to see all these videos of people talking on Facebook and sharing, and now I do this, but I was like, Oh, these, who do these people think they are? Nobody wants to hear what you're saying. You know what? I'm really sad with that. I'm like, shit. I'm afraid to do that, and I'm kind of like, they have the courage to do that. And I'm like, that's why, you know, and I'm afraid of being judged. And so there's all these layers. And so it's kind of observing everything around me, but then also myself, of okay, what is, what is this? And really, not just being so stuck in, you know, this is how it is. This is who I am. You know, it's like, I don't know, I could be a totally different person tomorrow. And the observing is just again. It's almost like, as if I was watching a movie or show and and even, not even just being established in it, where I'm just so, like, I'm like, Oh, I wonder how they filmed that. Wonder where, where that shooting location was, and it's kind of just like an awareness of everything and but also no attachment to it, where it's like, I can just float in it and just be like, I don't know. And then I'm like,

Rev. Rose Hope: Hopefully so for it. In other words, right? You might see yourself behaving in a certain way. And I like that you said the zoom out thing, because it actually brought to mind like a drone. You know, drones like rising above you, and now you're looking at it from a drone perspective. I like to call it the being the witness, right? And so witnessing myself acting a certain way, feeling a certain way, without judgment, but just letting myself be the witness. And oftentimes what happens for me, at least, is there's these beautiful nuggets that pop up where I'm like, Oh, I I responded to that in that way interesting. And it gives me clues to how I want to show up in the world better, and it gives me this opportunity to open up doors and windows inside of my soul that show me things that maybe I couldn't see before. It's like that bird's eye view. And so I think that's such a big piece to our own evolution and to us allowing ourselves to just step into more of who we are, because as we witness who we are, we can see things that are like, wait a second, that's not actually. Me like, that's some version of myself, or that's a condition programming that I played out in that storyline, you know, and it gives us a chance to reel ourselves in and to remember who we are in a lot of different ways. So being the witness is another key piece that I just, you know, felt like was such an important, you know, part of what you said there, yeah,

Yeah. And what was also coming through for me too, is this try to piece together my mind of how it all connects. But, you know, really this, like, radical self love. And for a long time, I, you know, I loved myself, but I didn't, I didn't love myself. It wasn't just and not in this egotistical way where, you know, I think I'm amazing, or anything like that. It's just, like, what kind of came to mind was, you know, often in the certain communities you're just doing healing work, they're always just letting go this and, like, I almost called bullshit on that, because, like, to me, it's, it's embracing, it's integrating, you know, and hugging these parts of like, you know, rather than shoving them away and go, No, you don't belong, like, you know, going, you were a teacher. Thank you. You know, these, these reactions of and even these people that come along the way, you know. And so with that is, is kind of this self love and this empathy and love for everyone else, which I know sounds very Kumbaya and cliche, but it, but it really is like because it is this realization that we are all living our own story, and we're all living our own reality and and kind of goes back to that zooming out. I can't I can only see exactly what's in front of me. If you come to me and say something, and it rubs me the wrong way. I'm only seeing this. I'm not seeing your whole movie. I'm not seeing all the things that happen. I don't know, you know, there could be something in the story where I always think of like Netflix, or something like, we're all, you know, we're all watching different shows, and that's our that's our show. We get it, you know, we can kind of, you know, if you're into, if you're into drama, it's easier to explain to somebody a drama show, you know, or a murder mystery thing or action, but at the end of the day, like, we don't know because we're not watching it, we're not seeing the same thing. And so again, I'm just thinking, trying to think of an example, and can't pull it off top my head. But you know, if you saw just a certain clip in a show and you're like, hey, that guy's a total dick, you might not know what led up to that point where that guy snapped or and so I think going back to the observer, it's kind of like, you obviously can't see it all, but you just have to believe it's there, I guess, or understand that that is a potential reality, that is somebody living in their own reality, and it's not yours. And actually, for me, that was probably one of the hardest lessons for me to get in life as well, because, I would argue for many people too, because we I think there's a certain point in our life was, you know, we're kids, and we live very egocentric and in our own world, and the world revolves around us, and not just science and the whole bunches and psychology and things, how that all works. And then, and then we get older, and it's a weird point, or at least was for me, when I realized people don't think the same way as me, like they don't anything the same way as me, you know, and it can it's kind of a weird journey to go through. I think we forget that, or some people don't, maybe don't, haven't learned that, or don't know that. You know that it's like our brains work very differently, and just our souls are everything we're,

Rev. Rose Hope: Yeah, our perceptions. I love that you brought this to the surface, actually, because I think it's so easy for us to get into these tunnel vision when we're, like, placing judgments on other people. And I liked your analogy of, like on Netflix, like we're all watching different shows, so we don't really know what the other person's experience was and what movie they saw, you know. And yet they come into our field and we decide that they watch the same movie when they haven't, you know. And I think it's so easy for us to get caught into that space where we are missing so much about that person's life. We're not living it. We're living our life, and yet we position ourselves in a way that we get it, or we've been there, or we've had their experience and we haven't. And you know this idea of like, radical self love, I gotta tell you, as I've come to love myself more, I've come to love humanity and the other people in the world more. And you're right, it's this beautiful opportunity for us, because if we want to love the world more, we've got to love ourselves more, and that includes being willing to witness our own movie, reel, our own story and recognize that that's our story, and we don't necessarily need to be attached to it, but it can give us clues as to what our purpose is, and that is where I want to lead us into because you are living more on purpose now than you ever have, and you had this beautiful company you would. Do retreats and you've made some changes over the last little bit. Can you tell us this? Sure, this shift for you, so that we know kind of what you're doing these days and understand the work of Paul? Sure.

Yeah, it's definitely evolving. So that's where I have a, I don't wanna say, a hard time answering that, because it's not crystal clear. And that's, that's one thing too, I'll touch on is, you know, I've had, had to learn a lot of grace and patience sometimes, because I'm, I've always been that, like, like, get it done now, you know, like, even, yeah, years ago when I had an agency, people like, how did you get an agency? Like, I'm, like, I got a space hired. People, boom, you know, three months, right?

Rev. Rose Hope: Or you're a get her done kind of guy, at least you have been, you know, yeah,

Yeah. And so, you know, doing well over the last few years, and running these retreats, which, which I'm still involved in, and I love, kind of being in a different context, of almost looking at it like a client. And so really, where I'm shifting these days, and again, figure out exactly what this is. But like, I love entrepreneurs, and I love socially conscious entrepreneurs and and again, finding that, you know, learning myself more and remembering because for the longest time, you know, I say, buried business Paul because I didn't like what happened, what I had a bunch of money, I didn't like who I called into my life. I, you know, I almost, I pushed away so much, all right, like, maybe we'll unbury that guy and bring him back a little. And it goes back to the integration of of, you know, rather letting go and pushing away, it's going, you know, what that version of me, I love that guy, you know, let's, let's keep some of those things you know in the past and what you know. But these are some pieces I could really use.

Rev. Rose Hope: And so embracing the the shadow aspects, or the rejected aspects of ourselves,

Yeah, exactly. And, you know, and I've really had this fear to of being sounding over egotistical, or like I never used to mention, like most people, when I was doing web, they had no idea that, you know, I built a multi million dollar business I, you know, I've had a few companies and had success, and I've done a lot of cool shit my life, and I was so afraid of even sharing that. So now I'm kind of, this is kind of part of the the answer to your question is, you know, I've been like, Well, what I do with that, you know? And quite often, you know, what I've seen with myself and other people. It's like our gifts sometimes are easy to us, you know. Some for me, I look at a business, and I come in and I count the tables, I look at how quickly people are turning over, and just like my brain just works that way, or I can just feel things, you know. And I know we're diving into this in your in your course, you know, and tapping into our intuition. And I love that, because I'm finding kind of pairing these tangible tools of running businesses, but then also going like, Hey, I just got a download. And how does this name feel, or how does this slogan feel? And so, so I guess what I'm doing now is really like, I love working with conscious entrepreneurs and that are changing the world and making an impact and just doing cool things. You know, that to me, if it has the right energy, like I'm in and I love like I want all my clients to succeed, and whatever that looks like for them, you know. And I believe you you can have financial success. You can have just tons of love and abundance and community and like, and do that on purpose. And so I love, you know, supporting that and and doing that in the sense of a mentorship capacity. And I did this with one of my teachers and therapists, let's say, in a journey we were in, and this came through because I was like, I don't know, coach doesn't feel like me. But then, you know, mentor, mentorship, or being a mentor, is what came through. And what I loved about that word was really it was just around like, I don't know everything. I don't have all the answers, but it's like, my job as a mentor is to share what I know and to give you the knowledge I have, which is a weird thing still for me to say, because again, I'm like, Oh, I guess I do know the thing or two, you know. But, and I like to do that in a very humble way too, where it's like, I because I am a risk taker. I've been an entrepreneur my entire life. So basically, last time, how to, you know, nine to five was 2025, years ago, you know, like, it's been a minute, right? And I'm the person to throw every penny I have at something. And I guess why I share that is because I've done a lot of dumb shit, like I've made a lot of mistakes, and I've lost a lot of money, you know, and some things I've worked, and some things haven't. But I know in that I've had a lot of lessons and and really goes back full circle, where, if I look at it, all these crazy I mean, the things I've done is, is a lot a lot of different startups and a lot of different industries from like real estate development to, you know, ad tech space to, you name it, right? And kind of just dove and all these things. They all somehow were little pieces of the puzzle I needed to do what I'm doing now, and and I know that may change again, that I would, you know, change. Next year

Rev. Rose Hope: In evolution, right?

Yeah, yeah. So

Rev. Rose Hope: I love that, and I think mentor is a great word for you. And I would add to that muse, because I think in a lot of ways, you're a muse for organizations not unlike mine. You know, where it's like, I'm a light worker, I'm a spiritual being, but I also need to have this business. And I think for a lot of people who are in the healing space or in the counseling space, there's so much scarcity and there's so much lack in that space. And a lot of people struggle with that business acumen, or being able to blend in their, you know, 5d work that they do with this three dimensional space that we reside in, and it's a tricky thing to find the sweet spot there. And you know, you've really had to lead into both those sides of yourself, you know, having gone on the spiritual journey, but also having been very much hooked into this three dimensional, money driven space. And so I think you are able to blend the best of both of those worlds for your clients, which I think is a special gift to have as well. So thank you so much for being on the show Paul. Any final words of wisdom? And how can we find you? If someone was listening today and they're like, Oh my God, this man is speaking to me, how can we reach you? And final words,

Sure, yeah, my website, which I need to update, but creation Republic, creation republic.com

Rev. Rose Hope: And we'll put that show notes for everybody.

And yeah, I really just, I love leading with on test authenticity. I love leading with vulnerability. And the more I do that, the more comfortable I've got with it. So I would just encourage anybody, even if the tiniest thing of like, put on that weird hat, you know, or something, or that, that thing that was outside of your comfort zone, and just and just own it, you know, and just see what happens. And again, get back to that playfulness and that experimenting, you know? And it's just like, well, you know, if it didn't go or, I guess I'm not a hat guy, right? Yeah, just go. It is what it is like. It's not anything other than that. It's just information, right? I,

Rev. Rose Hope: I, you know what that is, such a beautiful invitation, Paul. I just want to hang on that for a moment, because, and just so for those of you listening, Paul is wearing a really nice hat, and he wears this hat from time to time, and almost every time I've seen him in a group, someone has complimented his hat. So I'm sure you now see the compliments, but I think that's such a beautiful invitation, because there's some times where I'm like, Ooh, I don't want to wear that certain lipstick, or I don't want to wear that certain outfit, and even though that's maybe what I've been called to do because I'm afraid of, you know, as much as I've worked on, you know, removing myself from other people's thoughts and judgments, there's still this like, consciousness that shows up in that right, where it's like, oh, maybe I shouldn't wear those shoes with this outfit, you know, and what you're inviting us to do is to challenge ourselves to say, Yeah, that might look a little bit weird, but is it okay? And I just did this actually the other day because I had to go pick up a kid from hockey, and so I have these, like slippers with like a hat smiling happy face. And I was like, I knew I was gonna have to go into the building. So I was like, oh, I should probably change my shoes. And then I heard something inside of me saying, you don't care. Go with these happy face like slippers. And I went in, and right away someone was like, oh my god, I love those. And they smiled like, what a gift. You know when we're willing to just lean in a little bit if it brings someone joy, if it makes us a little bit uncomfortable, like stretch yourself to be more of who you are, and worry less about what other people are going to think, say or do, because what you'll find is something so magical. You'll open up a pathway of conversation. You'll give people permission for them to be more of who they are, in being more of who you are. Yeah, I think that's a really beautiful way to end today. Thank you, Paul and a CAD.

One more thing, yes, tiny note to that, I would just say it's always nice to I'm gonna go back to that, doing it for you, you know, and checking in and going like, Hey, am I putting this hat on? There's outfit, these slippers. Is this for me? Or because I want a reaction? I want this? Yes, you know, like that, I think is, is the big difference of of where you kind of start to find yourself, and you do it for you, you know, you put the hat on, or you put slippers on because you're like, you know what? These feel good. And this makes me feel

Rev. Rose Hope: They make they make me happy, right? Yeah, oh, that's such a great reminder for us, and that ties into what we spoke about earlier, of like, doing things for us first, and then the overflow into everybody else is a bonus, right? So, thank you so much. All for being on the show. It's always such a delight. Thank you for being the authentic you that you are and taking the time to share with all of us today. And likewise,

Thanks for doing this and who you are, and you know.

Rev. Rose Hope: Thank you. I receive and for all of you tuning in. Thanks for tuning in for another edition of When Spirit calls keep paying attention to when Spirit calls you. It's calling you all the time, and until next time, take care. Bye, everyone.

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