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Our guest this time on Unstoppable Mindset is Katja Surya Lany who has traveled a very interesting life journey. She was born in Germany and grew up in a household where she believes she learned some less than stellar habits that contributed to her sabotaging her own life. For many years she felt she was always the giver but never received acknowledgement for the joy and kindness she shared. Katja eventually moved to Colorado and has raised a family. Along the way, at age 45 she says, she experienced a breakthrough at a retreat where she realized that there was a lot within her that she could like. That self-discovery changed her whole outlook on life, love and joy. Today Katja is a proponent of “joie de vivre” or the joy of life. She is an energy healer working with clients around the world. You can learn more about what she does by visiting her landing page at https://katjalany.editorx.io/giftlanding and partaking of the gift of a free eBook she has made available there. About the Guest: You know how some of us women in the second half of life slow down enough to realize that we've been tainted by our lineage, our parents, our grandparents, without really having time & energy to deal with it previously? We are older & wiser, yet still feel like a victim, still have issues around codependency, and are still WAY too hard on ourselves? Well, Katja Surya Lany is a spiritual guide who helps wise women to break the bonds of their lineage to become what she calls a "Sacred Disruptor" who breaks the old patterns, stands up against old patterns of abuse, and loves herself as she claims her best years ever. There was a point in Katja Surya's life where she felt taken for granted, frustrated with her hard work not paying off, and believing that dreaming of her great life was all she could hope for. After her breakthrough, Katja Surya can support you to feel appreciation, enjoy satisfaction with the fruits of your labor, and experience a great life that is real. In fact, she knows that this journey isn't just about the lack of reciprocity! Yes, at age 45, she felt: I wish I could wave a magic wand that would finally make everyone return the kindness I am always extending! Her pain was deeper still! Looking at her life at age 45, she realized: I am not fulfilling the sacred vow I made to myself! I grew up in an early childhood environment where the atmosphere felt so toxic that I made the vow: When I grow up, I will create a family of joyful togetherness! Today, Katja Surya knows how to not repeat the dysfunctional patterns of previous generations, but to truly up-level! She supports people with her Family Reset for joie de vivre 9-months journey. Ways to connect with Katja: http://linkedin.com/in/katja-lany/ https://katjalany.wixsite.com/surya https://facebook.com/katja.lany https://www.facebook.com/groups/1103313427113091 https://heal.me/practitioner/katja-lany-azarias-energy-healer-and-joie-de-vivre-meditation-teacher https://www.alignable.com/biz/search?_stid=02d49887a19d3c1d46f7c5d6732ed09c4&q=katja+lany&source=ac About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog. Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children’s Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. 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Michael Hingson ** 00:00 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us. Michael Hingson ** 01:20 Welcome once again to unstoppable mindset. We're inclusion diversity in the unexpected meet and what are we going to do today? Unexpected I'm sure. But I really am glad you're here with us and that you're going to spend some time with me and our guest Katya, Surya Lany, who likes to go by Katja Surya, and I'm going to ask her to explain what Syria is all about. Because it was a name that she was given, which she has told me about, but I think it's better coming from her. I think it's pretty cool actually. Katja is a very interesting woman who has had some extremely interesting life experiences. We met through an event we've talked about on unstoppable mindset before podapolooza. And I got a chance to meet Katya. And out of that came this podcast. So we're really glad to have the opportunity to spend some time with her and for her to spend some time with us. And we'll have a great conversation. I'm sure. So Katja Welcome to unstoppable mindset. We're glad you're here. Katja Lany ** 02:28 Hey, Michael, I'm so glad to be here. And unstoppable mindset. Yeah, that is so good to have. And you cannot have an unstoppable mindset when you are suffering from limiting beliefs. So I'm really happy to be in this community, where we are all passionate about creating that unstoppable mindset for us. And to answer your question about my name. I really love both parts of my name Katja. It's the name that I received from my parents. And it means the pure one. And Surya. It's the name I received from my mentors. And it means the sun goddess or the fire woman. Michael Hingson ** 03:21 Well, there you go. And I am sure we're going to discover that all of that fits as we go through and chat today. So thank you for explaining that. It is there any special meaning to Lany or it's just there? Katja Lany ** 03:37 I have no idea. Michael Hingson ** 03:40 I understand. Well, I appreciate that. Well, let's start by maybe you talking a little bit about you growing up in the early Katja. Before I gather a lot of things happen. So tell us about kind of the early you Katja Lany ** 03:55 Yeah, it was certainly not an easy and pleasant environment to grow up in because I experienced that as an environment where Mom and Dad always fighting and of course, that was very difficult for baby Katja because I wanted them to be getting along with one another. I wanted the environment to be peaceful and pleasant, but that's not how it came across. So I actually made this secret vow to myself back then, when I'm a grown up, I would create a family of joyful togetherness. And then there was this moment in my life when I was this A 45 year old woman realizing oh my gosh, I might have not fulfilled on that sacred vow that I made to myself, I might have recreated a family that is pretty similar to the one I've been growing up. And even though I wanted nothing more than it to be so different, but somehow I haven't been successful with that yet. Having had that realisation, I became all the more passionate to really be that one that this wraps or the dysfunctional patterns. And I call myself a sacred disrupter. And one of the patterns that I have recognized as being very unhealthy to have is this pattern of self sabotage. And I was becoming very passionate about not being ruled anymore by this inner self saboteur, but to be guided by my wise woman wisdom, and healing this pattern of self sabotage, and really, speaking with confidence about me being an Oracle, is very, very dear to my heart, because I learned that my dad was also an Oracle. But he was too afraid to admit this to himself, and to the world. And you have to know that my dad passed away fairly young in his 60s, from brain aneurysm. And I had my best friend read about how illnesses and causes of deaths can be interpreted spiritually. And when she told me that this is the topic of her book, I immediately asked, Hey, can you look up brain aneurysm for me? And then I was so touched by her answer, because the answer was, but people who died from brain aneurysm are our records and they're too afraid to admit that. So with that being said, it is very dear to my heart to now be the one who says confidently, I am an Oracle. And with that I am honoring my dad, and our lineage. And then, more recently, I was also feeling into the fear of my mom. So the fear of my dad was this, speaking about who am I and why am I here? And my mom became pregnant accidentally, very early in her life, she was still a minor. So I was feeling into that fear of hers that fear of pregnancy. And with that I received this message the other day that said, I am pregnant with Who am I coming? And that was again, something that touched me deeply. So I fear how I can be the one in our family lineage who not only enjoys the physical pregnancies, I've been enjoying being pregnant three times with my own children and it was such a joyful experience for me, but I'm also enjoying this being pregnant with Who am I become meaning so it also applies in more figurative. Michael Hingson ** 10:05 I'm with you him. We're gonna I do want to talk about a lot of that. I want to go back a little bit. Um, so originally you were born were in Germany In Germany. And how long did you stay there? Katja Lany ** 10:20 I came to Colorado in 2003. So two decades ago now. Wow. Michael Hingson ** 10:28 Okay. And in your when you get a nice winter of snow in Colorado, Katja Lany ** 10:37 I am particularly pleased with the hours of sunshine here and the mountain variety that I have here to go on a new hike each time I'm heading out. That's, Michael Hingson ** 10:54 that is always good to be able to go out and be in the outdoors. So did you. Did you go to college? Did you get that far in school? Katja Lany ** 11:06 I studied in Germany and it was Comparative Literature. That was my major. Okay. Michael Hingson ** 11:15 All right. And then what did you do once you graduated from college? Katja Lany ** 11:22 Then I really focused on being a mom for quite some years. I did not want to be that person who gives birth to children and then just a couple a day later I'm back and work with somebody else to take care of them. So I was really that stay at home mom who was really passionate about being the caregiver, herself. Love for the little ones continued to be very key in my life because after having taken care of my own children, I continued taking care of for the little ones as a Montessori primary educator. Okay. Yeah. Michael Hingson ** 12:23 And so, what what do you do now? Katja Lany ** 12:28 Now I am working as a squad via energy healer. And this name is why the V, which means joy of life in French language that came to me when I was sitting with digesting all this ancestral fear and noticing how this pattern of self sabotage that had held back my dad and my paternal grandpa really rob them of this joy of life. So it seems very appropriate to name the work that I'm doing so because it gives people that joy of life back and as the fire woman, I am the one who is calling others into a passionate enthusiasm for life. Michael Hingson ** 13:39 Well, you have clearly had a life where you've wanted to, to love and to spread joy and be joyous. But again, you had challenges along the way with that because of family and things in your family that for quite a while things were hard because you talk about a breakthrough. We'll get to that. But you talk about that having at 45. So what was it really like for you had that turn of events? Katja Lany ** 14:08 Well, I was deeply trapped in this pattern of self sabotage myself without. For the longest time realizing it. myself. I wasn't even conscious of it really how I was putting myself down brutally, all the time. And there was this very loud and harsh inner critic that was really making my life a living hell and I would say I was indeed my own worst enemy instead of being my own best friend. Michael Hingson ** 14:53 But why was that? What was that because of family or why? Why were you in that kind of a mindset? Do you think I Katja Lany ** 15:01 can say now that this pattern probably started with my paternal grandpa, and he passed it on to my dad who passed it on to me and I would have passed it on to my children if I had not set okay, this ends with me, this is something that sucks so much. But I do not want to pass on that burden. And when I say this probably started with my picture Petula. No, grandpa, it's good for me to share the story around that. And it's it's a very tragic story. And it's, it's not difficult, it's not easy to speak about it, it's actually difficult. And that's why that story had been so taboo in my family for so many years that it only came to be spoken about after years it had happened. And it was that my paternal grandpa was at home alone, with their firstborn, my grandma was out running errands. And somehow, he was neglectful in his responsibility to watch out because that little baby got a hold of detergent, and survive ingesting that FutureGen. And so there must have been this huge, huge guilt in my grandpa. And he was probably I'm conscious that he made this decision. Okay, this is, this is too awful. I can't. I can't handle this. And the only way to tackle what has happened is when I started punishing myself, and so that pattern of having that inner critic was was being born there. Yeah. Michael Hingson ** 17:42 So he punished in, like, in so many situations that just got carried down from generation to generation. And so like, I can appreciate that, but at some point, and you talk about it being at 45 years of age, but at some point, you changed, or you had a breakthrough. And everything turned around, tell. Tell us a little bit about that. What what happened? Why was there a complete breakthrough? That created a completely different mental attitude and mindset for you? Yeah, Katja Lany ** 18:23 that breakthrough happened in a so called Breakthrough retreat that I did with star of Divine Light Institute, and was actually in January this year. And it was a meditation retreat where we did meditate 24/7 And we were a handful of people, but we were all in our own individual retreat, and we would have meals together, but we did not talk. So it was almost a silent retreat. And we only spoke with one another for a few minutes each day when we had quite enough practices. And it was during one of those partner practices that my breakthrough happened and I was sitting together in the living room of our retreat space with my male mentor that I had been in mentorship with for many years. So we had this base of trust between us that really allowed me to sink into the pool. Actors 100%. And it was a eye gazing practice that we did with one another. And while I was looking into the eyes of my mentor and felt being held in his gaze was so much love. I heard him reflect back to me, I see you. And I accept you excel exactly as you are. And I realized how tears were running down my, my face. And it was so hard for me to keep my eyes open and to remain in this gaze. And I noticed how it was hard for me to breathe. But because I had this trust with my mentor, I followed his guidance, and he encouraged me stay with it. Keep your eyes open, stay in your deep breathing, and he continued to hold the gaze and to repeat those words, I see you and I accept you exactly as you are. And only when I was sitting in meditation, later to integrate that partner practice experience, it came to me, oh my gosh, this was really the most painful and the most joyful moment in my life. Joyful, because I felt his unconditional love and I could let it in. And painful because it dawned on me, oh, my gosh, I am 52 years old. So I have lived for over five decades. And this is the first moment in my life that I am feeling I conditionally loved. And then not only this experience of unconditional love was new to me, there was nothing that was completely new to me, while I was sitting in my meditation share, I felt this because this joy full of buzz and every cell of my being. And it felt so good that I really wanted to, to have more of that and to come back to that sensation again and again. And it is really accessible to me now when whenever I it's human back to that moment. And it is really this being seen through fully. that shook me out of my Denia. And I would say that before, it was so typical for me to answer the question, how are you with I'm fine. Without really admitting that I was everything else then fine, because there was this huge amount of pain, this huge amount of fear, not only in me, but in our entire lineage. And it was really key to face this pain and this fear, so it could be transformed. So how helpless I realized do it. I I succeeded doing that. Michael Hingson ** 24:33 So how has that change affected? How you deal with your family and people around you today? So it's fairly recent. You said it happened at the beginning of 2023? I believe for Yeah, so. So what what have you noticed that has changed in terms of how you deal with people around you? Katja Lany ** 24:56 Yeah, there was really significant behavior changes I could notice in myself coming home from that retreat. And the first thing that I noticed was that I was more open to have what I call courageous conversations, before I would really avoid conflict, no matter what, because I was too afraid to rock the boat. And it was so much more important for me to, to keep the peace and to not speak up. But I realized that this not speaking up made me really lose from the get go. And that kind of segues into the second observation that I was realizing about myself that I was kind of used to watch live from the sidelines without really actively being a player on the game board of life. And again, this is me losing from the get go, when I'm not an active player, then I robbed myself of the opportunity to win. So I made that decision, okay, I need to, I need to start being on the board, I need to start being the player and not being held back by that fear of making mistakes, but to really risk to play full out. And that showed, for example, in me signing up for a video mastery course that I would not have done before, because I would have been way too afraid to press that go live button and to be on video. But because I had made that decision to play full out and to take more risks, I signed up for the course. And I mastered that challenge to to be on video, I felt the fear of doing so and I did it anyway. And then does courageous conversations that I started to have, I noticed that this fear of oh my gosh, when when I really do that, but I really speak up, I might lose love. That wasn't really that wasn't really so it was really the opposite. That was true that having courageous conversation leads to more love to more bonding to more connections. So all in all, those behavior changes really impacted my life for the better and I am now better able to let in the goodness of life. And that was really the same that happened in that breakthrough moment. It was so painful to let end words of my mentor, I see you and I accept you exactly as you are. It was painful to let it in because it was so unfamiliar to me. But it was important to let it in because it created so much joy in me because what is better than the joy of receiving unconditional love, but it's better than letting in all the goodness of life. Michael Hingson ** 29:27 So again, when you came back from that retreat, what were the reactions of your family and people around you as you made this substantive change in the way you operate it in the way you were? So what were What did other people say about it? Katja Lany ** 29:47 It really feels like a relationships improved. Not only my relationship I have with myself had improved due to this greater self acceptance and coming out of denial, but also, relationships between me and the people around me improved, and it's really an inside out effect, right? This change within ripples out to the external. And me improving my relationship with myself positively impacts the relationships that I have with my loved ones. Michael Hingson ** 30:49 How if you were to point to specific things that have changed in your relationships with loved ones, and so on? What would that be? What are substantive things that you can point to that have changed for the better since your breakthrough? Katja Lany ** 31:10 I would say that it's really important in a relationship to not hold back with expressing your own truths and your own needs. And I would say that I can role model this now. I speak more openly about what feels true for me and what I need, and me doing that gives others permission to do the same. And I would say that the effect of openly speaking about the emotions within is that there is an improved emotional intelligence in the relationship dynamic. Michael Hingson ** 32:25 Well, so clearly, there's been a lot of change. If you were to summarize it, what are, let's say three things that you want people to know about you today. Katja Lany ** 32:39 I would say that in this pattern of self sabotage, there is really a pattern of over giving, you know, that 45 year old woman that I was felled, I give and give and give, and I never get anything back. I wish I had a magic wand that could make the other people finally, as kind as I am. So they would finally be great, that kindness that I'm always extending, but giving and receiving really need to be in a balance and when there is this emphasis on giving in the overcoming of the self saboteur, then the receiving side of Your Beings suffers. So that was quite a healing journey to open up that receptivity within. And I feel I was able to do that by having this feminine side of me come online, which previously had been turned off. And receptivity is a very dry primary characteristic of the feminine so it's all about being in this tracking stage of what's going on inside of my body, rather than being in the figuring out approach and living your life from the mind or Only And with continued dedication to be in this tracking mode, I was eventually able to fear my emotions on a visceral somatic level, and to use my emotions as pointing me towards where I needed to head next, because emotions are really your body's messengers. And it's important to feel them to have that internal feeling navigation system for yourself. So, listening within really allowed me to pull in my intuition as my new superpower, where before that internal guidance through my intuitive knowing was kind of clouded or buried, and my doubting mind, I was in the habit of making decisions mentally. And when somebody is doing that, then there is immediately this second guessing. So I was always in this. They have trapped in mental looping and immediately questioning, did I make the right choice, and really always doubting and never trusting myself. And when I instead listen to my intuitive guidance, then there is no doubt then there is trust with it. So it is feeling so much better now. Michael Hingson ** 37:08 So when you're talking about trust, and trusting yourself, and so on, does that also carry out to others? That is you talked about giving kindness and not getting? Is there any possibility that in fact, people tried to deliver kindness and you just weren't ready to accept it because you really were too focused on just you internally, and not really dealing with, with others as well. Katja Lany ** 37:40 You know, it is much spoken about that. One characteristic of the self sabotage is the seeking for external validation, that somehow that never works, it's really necessary to have that inward focus, and to fear your inner value inside. And once you feel it, then it can be felt. So it starts within and then it impacts the external world also. So one of my mantras is, feel it. So it can be felt that 45 Or a woman that I was speaking of, she was yearning for. Appreciation. She was yearning to fear satisfaction with the fruits of her labor. She was yearning for a great life that is real. But it was not accessible because she wasn't really feeling it was then she she felt taken for granted. She felt her hard work, wasn't paying off. And she felt well, that grade lies. That's not really within reach for me, I can, I can only dare to dream of it, but I can make that a reality. Michael Hingson ** 39:29 Yeah, and again, the the kind of question that I keep coming back to is, in reality, was their praise or acknowledgement of what you did and were doing, but you weren't listening or you weren't receiving it? And was that a part of the issue that you really didn't know how to receive? Eat or take any of that. Yeah. And that's, that's what I'm getting at is that, in reality, it does come back to your perceptions and, and your discovery that maybe people aren't really as bad as you thought. Yeah, which you know, which makes a lot of sense. And we and we often tend not to look at our world, and really recognize what is around us and and how good things perhaps really can be. Because we're just locked into one way of thinking about things. And until we think about it, and open our own hearts, we can't receive the love and kindness and joy that other people are ready to impart to us. Katja Lany ** 40:49 Yeah, this is such a beautiful and powerful keyword, the heart opening. That is really much of what the healing journey is all about feeling safe enough to open the heart completely. And I really love what I have learned as the sacred breathing phrases they are on and eight count. And when I inhale, I feel I accept all that is given to me. And when I exhale, I fear I give all that my heart does contain. Michael Hingson ** 41:51 So tell me if you would a little bit more about what you are doing now your career is as a healer, and so on. I Katja Lany ** 42:00 feel it is really most important to speak about why I am doing what I am doing. And in that context, it feels very important to me to phrase that I am doing what I am doing to honor my lineage and to really radiate that. I know today, what is my place? In film, looking at my ancestors and my own children? Michael Hingson ** 42:48 Sure. And what I would like to learn a little bit more about also is not just the why of what you're doing, but what you're doing. So I think people would be interested to know just exactly what it is that you do, in addition to why you do it so that they can can kind of relate to that. Katja Lany ** 43:11 Yeah, I was speaking about how it is about being an Oracle, and, you know, race that it's really being a powerful creator, also because the best way to predict the future is to create the future and somebody cannot powerfully create when they are in a victim mindset. So what I am doing in my Jawad VIERA energy work is facilitating for others to get out of that victim mindset into feeling what a powerful creator that truly are. And because they can feel that they can manifest it and really create the life that they are dreaming about. And not just be shocked and fantasizing about it, but really making that dream become a reality. Michael Hingson ** 44:49 So what Yeah, go ahead. Katja Lany ** 44:55 It is awesome. About to attune to that truth of I am a powerful creator by breathing love and light into one's energy centers. And for example, in the Root Chakra, there might be a yearning to feel safe and vital that that cannot be accessed when the person is disconnected from their body. So, this connection to the body needs to be reactivated. So, that sense of inner safety and vitality can be accessed and that can be done through breathing into the root chakra. And then in the second chakra in the sacral there can be this energy of doubting and over giving and hustling, right. But that can also be shifted by doing the RE parenting work that allows you to really listen within and to capitalize on that intuitive guidance. And then in the solar plexus chakra, when can be totally blocked by being in this place of not asserting itself. But that can also be shifted in becoming a powerful just speaker. So it's it's really first assessing with vulnerable rawness what is the state of my energy centers, what is really the Choose of my rude sacral and solar plexus energy. And once I have acknowledged that truth, I can then move from that place and shift it into what I want it to be. But as I was saying earlier in the conversation, many people are totally stuck in denial, they are not owning their truth and just say, Oh, I'm fine. But the truth is, well, actually, I'm I'm fairly miserable, because there's so much pain and fear that I haven't really integrated yet. So it's all about summoning up that courage to digest emotions that have not yet been felt completely. And that is really the definition of an energetic blockage. It's all emotions that haven't been fed emotions that are not in movement. There is this saying that emotion is energy in motion and an energy block is when there is an inability to complete an emotion. Michael Hingson ** 49:25 So too, yeah, go ahead. Katja Lany ** 49:28 Yeah, I can. Well, Michael Hingson ** 49:31 let me ask, let me ask this. So did that work? Sure. So today, you're teaching some of those skills to people or exactly what do you do Katja Lany ** 49:43 when somebody comes to me with some sort of frustration? Uh huh. The first step is really to speak an intention. So I first heard people to feel into what is it really that you want to call in today. And once we have that heightened intention and an intention is Houghton when it captures what you want to invoke in just a few words, I would say if five words or less is the sweet spot. And then we work with that intention by feeling into the person's energy centers and doing the energy work there to bring the energy center in the perfect functioning state. So rebalance the energy so it can flow in a healthy way. And very often, I have noticed the most work really needs to be done in the Root Chakra. And that is really the place where the energy of the lover recites. And I was speaking a lot about how when I am in this pattern of self sabotage, and I put myself down through my self critical words, that lover energy isn't present, because I am my own worst enemy. And I'm not in this place of loving myself as my own best friend. So it's really crucial to have that root energy flow healthily, again, to have that foundation laid for the energies in the chakras above. And once that basis of self love is laid, then the person already fears much, much better than before. Michael Hingson ** 52:45 Do you mainly work with people physically close by? Or do you work virtually with people? Katja Lany ** 52:53 It is amazing how eautifully this work can be done in an online space. So I typically meet with people in zoom meetings just like this one. Michael Hingson ** 53:06 Well, and that's, that's a good thing that, that you've been able to, to make that happen. And I would have thought that would be the case. And you can sense and get as much from doing it virtually, and working with people online. As you can if you are physically close to them, because you can sense all the different cues and different kinds of things that they're displaying, and how, as you are working with them, they change and their FX changes. Yeah. Which is really pretty cool. Have you written any books about any of this yet? Katja Lany ** 53:52 I have not publish a book yet. But you can be sure that I am working on one. Michael Hingson ** 54:04 Because I think you're you have a lot of information that would be useful for people to be able to access in some way. And that certainly is one way to get to more people. Katja Lany ** 54:15 Yeah, at the moment. The only thing that I have published in written form is the PDF that I'm currently offering as the free gift for anybody who is interested in coming into my field and it's called fear safe and stable now, because this feeling of safety and stability is really necessary to even dare looking at all your shadow as spects if, if you're not feeling safe enough to do that, then you can't even start. And I believe it is vital for anyone to embrace all their hidden words that they repress, because maybe they felt I'm not lovable human aspect of mine, so I, I better, I better turn, turn away from that and brush it under the carpet and don't don't even dare to look at it. But once people make this shift and embrace themselves in their humaneness, that's really where where the magic lies. And it's really three shifts of focus that I would want to name. The first one being this, I allow myself to be that human that I am and to really accept myself in my humaneness. And the second shift is to move from the external focus to the internal focus. And the third shift is to be in what I call your now power. Because in the self sabotage one is always ruminating about the past or worried about the future and the the power and the magic really lie in the present moment. So it's, it's crucial to make those three shifts Michael Hingson ** 57:13 to change topics a little bit. What prompted you to come to PATA palooza? What does that do for you? Or what is your interest in podcasts? Katja Lany ** 57:26 That has to do with my reality station. I need to speak about my journey. Oh, and that this is a way for me to overcome that ancestor fear. Yes, it is scary. But I am shielded. And I'm doing it anyway. I I choose to confidently speak about everything that was previously taboo. I am the one who now talks about things and part of Luiza is the event for four speakers. So I felt drawn to that one. It was it was really fun doing all those interviews or conversations during the product Palooza event. And it was the most joyful experience for me when I spoke for the first time on online Summit. And the reason it felt so joyful for me was that I was noticing in the chat comments how much the audience loved the topic I was presenting and how much the audience loved me. It was so palpable, the love that was present and nothing better than then to hear that. Michael Hingson ** 59:25 Are you thinking maybe at some point you'll start your own podcast? Sure, Katja Lany ** 59:29 why not? Michael Hingson ** 59:31 Good for you? Well, that's a great way to speak. And, you know, there are different kinds of podcasts. Some people just do a podcast where they present all the time and never interview people or camp conversations with people. And then there are podcasts where people do have conversations. So it's something to look at, but you you certainly have a message that needs to be talked about and that that needs to get out there. So I hope you continue with it. And I do hope you move toward writing a book, I think that will be interesting and exciting as well. If people would like to reach out to you, and maybe explore working with you and learning from you, how do they do that? Katja Lany ** 1:00:18 We will put all my information into the show notes, Michael Hingson ** 1:00:23 right? We aren't we aren't going to but if you will tell people as well, that would be good, or you know, just give people some idea of how they can reach out to you. Katja Lany ** 1:00:30 Yeah, I was speaking of this free gift that I'm offering, and people can find that on my landing page. And again, the name for that free gift is feel safe and stay there now. Michael Hingson ** 1:00:48 And what's your website? Katja Lany ** 1:00:53 I am in the process of revamping that. That site, and I will share that publicly as soon as it is ready. Michael Hingson ** 1:01:08 Well, you mentioned your landing page. So I was assuming that that would be a page on your website, right. Katja Lany ** 1:01:15 The landing page is a standalone and it's it's called gift landing. Michael Hingson ** 1:01:23 So if people want to go there, exactly, what do they do? Katja Lany ** 1:01:28 They just click the link that they find in the show notes. Okay, Michael Hingson ** 1:01:33 all right. Well, I hope people will do that all of this will be in the notes. And I hope that people will respond. And we'll take the opportunity and time to learn from what you offer, you certainly are presenting a lot of things that I think people will find pretty fascinating. So I want to thank you for doing that. And I want to thank you all for listening to us today. My gosh, we've been doing this an hour already. So I'd love to thank you all for listening in. I'd love to hear your comments and your thoughts. And of course, as always, I would really appreciate it if you would give us a five star rating wherever you are listening to unstoppable mindset. If you'd like to reach out to me, you can do so through email, email addresses, Michael h i at excessive b.com. That's m i c h a e l h i at A C C E S S I B E.com. Or go to our podcast page, which is www dot Michael hingson.com/podcast. Michael Hingson is m i c h a e l h i n g s o n so Michael hingson.com/podcast You can listen to all the episodes. You can binge Listen, but you can also reach out to us there. And I would also ask any of you listening as well as you Katya if you know of anyone who might be a good guests who you think ought to come on unstoppable mindset, love to get your introductions and your recommendations. We appreciate that a great deal. So we'd love to have you do that. And again, catch it for you. Thank you very much for being here. I really appreciate you taking the time to come on unstoppable mindset. And they won't be able to do more of it in the future. But thank you very much for being here. Katja Lany ** 1:03:26 For sure, Mike. And as I'm saying goodbye to the listeners, I would like to summarize the three main takeaways for the audience. Number one, commit to self care. Number two, hone your intuition and number three, follow through with it. Michael Hingson ** 1:03:50 And it doesn't get any better than that. So thank you, and I hope people will take that advice and and listen to it and follow through with it. Yeah, Katja Lany ** 1:04:00 thank you so much, Mike. It has been a pleasure in these having this conversation with you today. Michael Hingson ** 1:04:13 You have been listening to the Unstoppable Mindset podcast. Thanks for dropping by. I hope that you'll join us again next week, and in future weeks for upcoming episodes. 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