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This past December I participated in a program called Podapalooza during which I had the opportunity to conduct five podcast interviews in one day. Challenging? You bet, but it was an incredibly fun experience. When the next one rolls around, I’ll notify you so you can register and join in, especially if you have an interest in podcasting yourself. For now, I want you to meet Dr. Gabe Roberts, my first interviewee of the day. Dr. Gabe specializes in Psychosomatic illness. This relatively little-known field is incredibly successful at literally healing many things that ail you. Dr. Roberts will describe how he helps thousands of people find illness cures by going back into their holographic memories to what he discovers are the root causes of their physical ailments. “Holographic memories” you may ask, Listen in and discover for yourself not only much you may not know about your own memory processes but how you can improve your life and outlook. Some directories do not show full show notes. For the complete transcription please visit https://michaelhingson.com/podcast
About Our Guest Dr Gabe Roberts is the Co-Founder of Holographic Manipulation Therapy and is a specialist of psychosomatic illnesses including autoimmune conditions, chronic pain, chronic fatigue, digestive illnesses, neurological conditions, depression and a host of mystery conditions that have at their root cause repressed emotions. He has extensive experience working with patients from around the world helping them resolve their body's health challenges by reconciling conflict in their unconscious mind. Dr Roberts is a Holographic Manipulation Therapist, Clinical Hypnotherapist, NLP Practitioner, Self-Sabotage Coach, Quantum Integration Practitioner, has a Doctorate in Metaphysics, a Doctorate in Chiropractic and is Certified in Functional Medicine. Dr Roberts wrote a modern view of As A Man Thinketh and Gains Rapport with his Subconscious Mind. https://thesubconscioushealer.com/
About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog. Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children’s Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association’s 2012 Hero Dog Awards. https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/ accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/ Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below! Subscribe to the podcast If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can also subscribe in your favorite podcast app. Leave us an Apple Podcasts review Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts. Transcription Notes
Michael Hingson 00:00 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us. Dr. Gabe Roberts 01:47 All right. Thank you, Michael, for having me today. Michael Hingson 01:50 We're We're glad you're here. So I'd like to start by not dealing directly with psychosomatic illnesses, but rather, how did you get started in all this? Tell us a little bit about you. Dr. Gabe Roberts 02:02 Okay, so for the last decade, my wife and I have ran a functional medicine clinic in Kansas City where we worked with a number of chronically ill people, including, you know, Lyme disease and mystery illnesses, everything from chronic pain, depression. And most often, these people have exhausted conventional resources, basically, they were looking for deeper answers. So they would come to us and we would run more sophisticated lab tests than what they were used to seeing. And we would use advanced nutritional protocols and herbal medicine, and energy medicine, including acupuncture. I was a best practitioner, which means bioenergetic synchronization technique. So just a variety of energy medicines and, and nutritional support to try to stimulate healing. And what we noticed over this 10 year period, and with nearly 2000, patients from all over the world, that many of the times within a year and a half of doing our care, the six months to a year to year and a half, that they would be ill again, they would have some kind of ailment that came back. And so this kind of troubled us. And it it what it did was it made me dig deeper. And to figure out what it is that really is the root cause of why people get ill. And what we found was it has to do with a significant amount of turmoil, traumas, things like that, in the ages of zero to six years old, it always goes back to something that occurred to them. And this might be foreign to some people. But what we want to understand is, at that age, our brain is growing so fast, a million connections per second, that by the time a child reaches the age of seven, they've already learned half of what they'll know the rest of their life, including their beliefs, including how they feel about themselves, including how they feel about life itself, if it's threatening or if it's welcoming. Many things like that. So today what we do is we don't use nutrition and we don't use all these fancy lab tests, but we do encourage people to eat good and drink good water. But we what we do is we go back and their timeline using advanced holographic manipulation therapy work to go back and find a memory that has to do the exact millisecond that has to do with why their body's not healing correctly. We resolve that and their neurology. Their nervous system has no choice but to follow the deepest orders of the unconscious mind and their issues begin to resolve whether it's autoimmune or chronic. pain or digestive disturbances, and so forth. Michael Hingson 05:04 When you when you say holographic memory what what do you mean by that. Dr. Gabe Roberts 05:08 So each memory, we have all our thoughts, all our memories, all of our five senses work through a holographic image inside of our neurology and what a hologram is, is a three dimensional image. It's basically a, a sealed and capsuled ball of light. So anytime we have a, an experience, for instance, let's say we have a traumatic experience. And what I mean by trauma is just anytime that the nervous system is overwhelmed, it doesn't have to be a battlefield, it could be, it could be a playground incident. And what happens is our conscious mind splits, it splits in two, part of that split continues to go on with our day to day life. The other part of that actually gets walled off and contained in a holographic container. So it's basically a three dimensional image where everything in that memory is running on an endless loop. So the energy, the mood, the frequencies, all the if it was painful, all the pain, everything is stored, and that basically an envelope, and it's running all the time. And the part of the neurology that understands and interprets this has the impression that it's still continuing, it's still going on. And this is basically the mechanism for things like post traumatic stress, where they That's why they say that the soldier can leave the battlefield, but the battlefield doesn't necessarily leave the soldier. And I know this too well, because I was a Marine for eight years as well. So mechanisms are of this are very familiar with me. Michael Hingson 06:55 And so what you do is, essentially, if I, if I'm reading it, right, go in and try to penetrate the hologram or break the hologram and, and change the interpretation of what's there or updated. Dr. Gabe Roberts 07:10 That's correct. And and what we do is we use a specific technique to exactly find that millisecond of overwhelm. And once we locate that hologram, that traumatic memory, we can insert the missing frequencies, we can actually, if there's any kind of safety lessons that the unconscious mind has a LinkedIn and encoded in part of that we can address those as well as reframe it in a way to where now it's a now it's an it's a situation where the person survived and did fine. It's not the situation where the person is still in a threatening circumstance. So you are correct, we actually find that, reframe it, address all the fragments of the hologram, and use a few specific mechanisms to allow the nervous system to latch on to that Michael Hingson 08:08 I can relate for me. 20 years ago, I worked on the 78th floor of Tower One of the World Trade Center, and was there on September 11, with a guide dog, Roselle. And, of course, everything happened that happened. But I had done a great deal of work ahead of time, learning how to if you will live survive and function in the World Trade Center as a blind person. I chose not to rely on depending on other people to get me out. But rather I learned what to do in the case of an emergency. I learned the whole complex and so on. And what I realized significantly later, and especially over the last two years and thinking about it took a long time to think about it was that in reality, I had learned to control what could have been my fears and that with things like the pandemic, we see so many people today afraid of so many things. And it's not just the pandemic. It's been there all along. I've met any number of people who still can't really move forward from September 11. And what I realized is that I had changed or adopted a mindset. And so when things happened on September 11, the mindset kicked in. And the mindset basically said, You know what to do. You don't need to run in panic and be, as I described it blinded by fear. And it seems to me that we live in a world today where so many people in so many ways are just encouraged to live in fear and if you will have all these little holograms inside of that are sending these horrible messages that they never learned to address. Dr. Gabe Roberts 10:06 Correct. And that's correct. And literally, these holograms come to the surface to our conscious awareness, it's important understand that our unconscious mind is literally mathematically 99.994%. So what we're aware of is less than a 1,000th of a percentage of our mind. And these holographic memories come to the surface of our conscious awareness, anywhere from 15 to 50 times an hour, we constantly leave the, we constantly leave the present moment, and we revisit the past over and over and over. And whatever's in that hologram actually gets interpreted to the nervous system. And we know this for sure, we don't know the difference between the event, or actually the memory of the event. And what you're describing is basically strengthening a part of your consciousness, to where you can maintain that control, most people don't. And what I mean by that is when something hits, when a when an emotional disturbance hits, or a huge event happens, a tragedy, perhaps like like September 11, you had a mindset to where you could keep your conscious part in control. Because typically, what happens is that conscious mind of us that we are aware of, we listen to the voice in our head, and we're, you know, aware of our names and some basic things like this, like we're sitting in a room right now. And it's, you know, the 18th of December, we're all aware of those things. But that part of us also immediately clocks out the minute, something of a huge emotional shift happens. And what happens, we go to the autopilot, which is where these holographic memories are stored. And we kind of start going off of primal responses, rather than being in control of the situation. And that's what I would say, you learn to do, and this can happen with people that are trained in military situations also have this the same ability to basically keep a cool head when things go south, Michael Hingson 12:20 it doesn't mean that they're not aware or don't have fear, or that that things are occurring that go in and create those holograms that may be negative, but they have learned to overcome that. And essentially, change the vertices, if you will, and make the experience one that doesn't have to be so negative as I gather it. Dr. Gabe Roberts 12:45 Right. Right. Michael Hingson 12:48 And, and, you know, so is it appropriate to say what you do in part is to try to help people kind of couple their conscious and unconscious minds together more so that they become more aware of what's in their unconscious mind and tried to also use the positive parts of that and deal with the negative parts and be able to maintain control. Dr. Gabe Roberts 13:19 Not so much help them be in control. What we do with holographic manipulation therapy, is we go to the very, very first source of that challenge. So let's say a person comes to me and they have severe digestive disturbances. And actually, this just happened last week, I had a woman in Canada, seeking out severe digestive disturbances for years, and like 20 years and has tried everything, every kind of lab tests and every kind of nutritional supplement. And she comes to me, I work 100% through zoom. And so I told her that this has a specific spot. This this feeling because everything in our bodies is governed by feelings. Everything about human nature has to do with a feeling of feeling we want more of, or a feeling we want less of, and feelings give us an access route to those holographic stored memories. So using a specific set of questions, we went right to the center of that stored hologram that's responsible for why her digestive system is not functioning properly. And they say no, she's six years old getting spanked and that and so what we did, so instead of trying to teach her how to control her mind a little better, we went to the very, very primary. When this first occurred when her nervous system first recorded this incident and reframe that to where her dad was welcoming to where the energy was completely different in that room. We supplied the missing frequencies. So that entire three dimensional hologram was completely different. There was a completely different structure. And just doing that one time she went from having, I think it was 15 bowel movements a day to having one. Just that one, that one, changing that hologram, and the neurology absolutely changed her physiological health because, again, we don't know that that's over and why, why do we have to go all the way back, because those are the very, very, most important memories a person has the very first time something like that occurs, it becomes the standard, by which everything else is measured by whenever we see people living in fear today with a about the pandemic or about September 11, or about anything else you care to name off. I mean, it could be global warming, I mean, it could be just anything you could care to name off. That fear is not from these current circumstances, they aren't thinking they're remembering, unconsciously, they're remembering some kind of incident that occurred long ago, that is being re triggered by events. The same with a person that has road rage, a person that has anger or rage, they're never upset that somebody cut them off, it appears that way. And they, they could even tell you, this guy really upset me because he cut me off. It's not that it's all the previous occurrences of anger, that have ever been that have you ever been stored in his body through holograms, starting with a very, very initial one as a child, that are all getting re stimulated, replayed over and over again. And the momentum from those makes it to where he has this burst of outrage when someone cuts him off. Michael Hingson 16:48 I guess what I was meaning by control was not so much controlling the whatever it is, but rather controlling. Or maybe it's better to just say that people connect conscious and unconscious to be able to reframe, or even in current events, properly frame, how they remember and how they record it. Dr. Gabe Roberts 17:15 Right, because that that does change a significant amount of how they, how they operate, how their body functions, how they're basically how their entire endocrine system begins to function, their fight or flight mechanisms, everything by remembering something different, because memories are pliable memories are just like recordings. Michael Hingson 17:39 Right. And I think that the, the, the whole issue with with fear. And I use the words controlling fear, and maybe there are better ways to phrase it. And we're beginning to write a new book about fear and controlling or helping people move on from being afraid. The premise is that we mostly all face unexpected life events or in life changes. And we don't know how to deal with those life changes we just become, as I described, but blinded by fear. And the reality is that it probably isn't so much that we don't know what to do, but we haven't learned to reframe our experiences in a way that enhances our ability to, to truly interpret it, or maybe better to say, strengthens our ability to handle it in the right way. Dr. Gabe Roberts 18:41 Right. And, and to and to know, you know, in those kind of circumstances to know that if we trust our gut instincts, if we learn how to trust our intuition, go with our gut feelings. Those ways will be shown to us. But oftentimes, whenever we have suffered trauma, especially as a child, and it can be, again, mechanisms that are not so drastic, that has to do with violence, and all these other things, but just maybe not being held enough, or maybe even I mean, I've regressed people back and they were the waking up in their bedroom at night alone, and there was a bad thunderstorm. And they were scared. And you know, that's nothing the parents did wrong. It's just an incident where a child felt frightened. And it his to his nervous system. It's all data, it's all the same. It's all the same thing. Whenever this occurs to us, oftentimes, we, we we kind of let that intuition go, we start to trust which we start to trust, our conscious mind to navigate us, instead of our unconscious mind and we listen To the voice in our head that tells us things. And that conscious part of us that generates the voice is the least informed. And the last to know anything, if we listen to that, it's usually the one that justifies rationalizes and tells us in our head, everything's fine, you got this under control. Meanwhile, the vehicles going off the road. So it's our, it's our gut feelings that we need to learn to listen to. And they're the silent ones. They're the ones that if you've ever been in a circumstance, perhaps driving a car or something, and you get this urge, take this exit instead. And another part of you says, No, I'm tired, I just want to get home and relax. And you go around the curve, and suddenly traffic is backed up, we talked ourselves out of listening to that intuition, where the intuition is there to kind of guide us and, and give us these assistance, you know, through life to where we can, you know, navigate it much, much easier. It's like a built in GPS. Michael Hingson 21:01 My favorite example, and I use it a number of times of dealing with instinct and talking about the thing that you mentioned exactly is trivial pursuit, I like to play Trivial Pursuit. And I can't count the number of times that a question has come up, that I didn't know the answer to, or in talking to other people that they didn't know the answer to. But something said to me, this is the answer. And every time I listen, I mean, every single time I listened to that inner voice, that intuition, it was the right answer. And every time I haven't listened, it was the wrong answer. And it's, so I absolutely believe in what you're you're talking about. And as you said, dealing with traffic and so on. And what I've learned to do, and it takes work, because of what we're taught in our conscious world is to really listen to that intuition. Listen to that inner voice, because it is so often right, that we're missing a lot by not paying attention. Dr. Gabe Roberts 22:13 Right? That's correct. One of the one of the ways I helped us with patients, to help them trust that intuition, because that's what's going to guide us. That's where we find the holograms. That's where we find the real answers, not the answers that the conscious mind generates. But the answers that the unconscious has started generates is, as well as the therapist I teach, I have a school now where I teach this to doctors and therapists how to effectively clear trauma and patients. And one of the things I teach them is, the unconscious mind always answers first. Three seconds, within three seconds, when you ask a question, such as a trivial pursuit, answer. Within three seconds, your entire gut, which is a major sensory organ, scans the entire environment, you have 13 trillion neurological cells in your body instantly scanned, and it gives you an answer within three seconds. Oftentimes, that answer is so faint. We think we're making it up. We have an insane urge to want to edit it. And because it's not loud, it's a faint little feeling, we oftentimes talk ourselves out of it. Michael Hingson 23:28 How do we teach more people to pay attention to their intuition, their their inner mind, their unconscious mind talking with them? I mean, you you deal with patients and so on, but how do we get people to move beyond what we have been unfortunately trained to do to get to? Excuse me a point where we start to listen to that more? Dr. Gabe Roberts 23:56 Well, I think, I think that's a great question. I think a big part of it is to realize that, you know, first off, are what you what you call this a conscious culture, basically, okay. I'm a Doctor of Chiropractic and they never really trained us on any kind of intuition during my whole four years there. Eight years of school. So it's not in academia. It's not taught in our educational system. It's the dominant thought in all our health care today about this, this subconscious, this, you know, inner mind is almost looked at, like taboo. Yeah, so So a big part of my work has been learning how to address this. So the big part that I think, is to have people understand that there is plenty of science, there's more than a science showing that we are far more than we perceive to be a man named Massaro who Muto in Japan actually demonstrated this on water. Basically, he had a group of students put an intention, intention towards water, they froze the water. And then they looked at it under a microscope. And you can see different types of intentional thoughts, put in water reveal itself as these beautiful patterns through looking at our microscope, like joy, and love, and bliss, or just beautiful symmetrical patterns under a microscope. And contrast that when they work the word hate or disgust, and they froze that and looked it looked like an oil spill or broken glass. Now that might sound like one isolated event. But Cleve Baxter, in the 1960s is another. He's FBI his most trusted polygraph analysis in the United States that time, he basically taught people around the world how to pass lie detectors, and how to how to do polygraph tests on criminals and things like that. And basically, he put a lie detector test on a plant and decided that he was going to see if it would stimulate his machine. And he thought, well, he first dumped the leaves in hot coffee and nothing happened. Then he thought, well, I'm going to up it a bit, I'm going to up the threat mode of this plant. And he goes, I'll burn a leaf, the minute he reached for a match, the plant jumped up on his machine. So the plant read his thoughts. And now this might sound kind of out there. But Mythbusters, the popular scientific group on Discovery Channel, heard about this, and they successfully reproduced it. And this is all you can find it on YouTube, you can find where these guys look at a plant. And they threatened to burn it with nothing more than thinking and the plant registers. So this goes to show that our mind is far more than just some electrical activity inside of our brain. And what happens with our thoughts, especially our dominant thoughts, which are the ones that run below the surface of awareness, when we start to get those harmonized in a way that works for us, you know, the way where we start to feel empowered, where we start to feel like we're lovable person, where we feel important, where we feel that we are enough. And we can do the things we want to do without the you know, if we have a dream or desire we want to do or if we have a condition we want to heal from all that is purely possible. But it's just a matter of understanding that there's something new somewhere along the line, you've learned that you can't do it. And your mind is extremely powerful. And if you can start to understand that the memories you have are not you. There's simply recordings. And, you know, you start to envision and you start to put a lot of emotion towards what you want, and start to isolate the things that say you can't and look at those and understand that they're not really you. They're just simply recordings that you heard as a young kid, that you you can be right on the path of absolutely change your life change in your life. And I've read dozens, hundreds of archives of people that have had miraculous healings from anything from being paralyzed. Two people that were paralyzed, and hospital in India, and a cobra came in the room and within 30 seconds, a cobra came through the window within 30 seconds. Everyone ran that Ward, and some of them have been paralyzed for, you know, 12 years. And this is no different than we see and clinical trials involving placebos. What happens when a person has diabetes and they are under the belief they they, they're under the impression this medication is going to help them out. They take it and all sudden their blood sugar stabilizes. And it turned out to be just a sugar pill. What what happened, that person instantly changed their identity. And that basically opened up a new basically a new cosmetic or I would take cosmic Internet of possibilities and probabilities including healing. Michael Hingson 29:36 Go back to the Cobra second. The other side of that is how would the Cobras react if we reacted mentally to them differently if we didn't just exude fear or terror, but rather put forth calm conscious efforts of love and so on. And I think that there's been some there have been so many examples of how animals have reacted positively to that. Dr. Gabe Roberts 30:10 You're exactly right. So it's not just water. And it's not just plants, but it's actually animals. And we can see that because there's people that can actually get close and touch these, you know, these these things that would generate fear. And most people Cobras and, and even even talking about someone like the Crocodile Hunter Stever when, you know, whenever he would get down close to one of these cobras, you know, deep down his intuition was nothing but admiration for this creature. And a sense that versus someone else that would have a complete fear, or even try to, you know, run from it or even try to hurt it. He in doubt in his intuition. He never had that. And so the Cobra since that he was okay. And even though I get annoyed with him, but it wouldn't ever go into a full threat response. Right. So a man named Rupert Sheldrake actually has demonstrated some of what you're talking about, in our ability to influence animals. And particular cats, there's an interesting correlation with this in the UK, against London, there's 5858, out of the 60 major veterinarian clinics, if you contacted them and said, I'd like to bring my cat in on this Wednesday, to have this kind of procedure or this appointment done. They'll actually say, we don't schedule ahead for cats. Just bring your cat in whenever you get to chance. And we'll see him then. And why would they do that, because most cat owners had to reschedule. Throughout, you know, they've had a hitch because the cat picks up on the intuition to go to the vet that day, and actually disappears or runs and hides somewhere. So what you're talking about us being able to communicate in a way with animals, based on our intuition is actually reproducible, scientifically validated. And it's very interesting. It just goes to show that we're connected in many ways that, that go beyond what we what we hear about what our educational system discusses in what our healthcare system acknowledges. Michael Hingson 32:27 We have a cat, who I'm getting to the point where I think it's a game, but she absolutely hates to go to the vet. That is to say, if we give her any advance warning, she will hide. If we don't say anything, and try to keep that out of our mind. We can get her put her in her crate, put her in the car and go to the vet. she'll yell all the way there. But when we get there every single time, she's as happy as a clam at high tide loves to be there goes in, they never have a problem with her. And we've had other vets who have just said to us well, we don't do cats for like trimming nails. And so we just don't because they're too much of a problem. But this cat loves it when she's there. So I'm almost getting to the point where I think it's just part of the game. Because she really and then coming home she is just as sedate as could be. And never acts traumatized at all. So, you know, they do play games, too. Dr. Gabe Roberts 33:26 Right? And you know, so you notice how you and see cats are a little more sensitive than than other animals. But, but you notice when you said we keep it out of our mind. Yes, we can get her in, we can get her. I would say that if you even had the intention. If you were thinking about it, you're like, Okay, today's today, we're taking it to the vet hope everything goes well hope she's not you know, crazy. And you give no outside influences. Yep. No case sitting out nothing like that for the cat to know. The cat will still pick up on your intuition and, and run and hide. Well, Michael Hingson 34:03 again, it's interesting. It's pretty clear. She's not really afraid when she goes in hide. And that's why I think it's more of a game. She likes to play games with us anyway. She never acts fearful. And like with with people, if somebody comes into the house, she generally will stay away. But if we pick her up and take her out in introducer you can't get rid of her. I think she's a very interesting cat. She's the most vocal cat and the most articulate cat that we've ever had. I've heard instances of people who are blind using guide dogs I know of one person who went to a guide dog school to get trained with a dog. It wasn't just first dog. But he started saying to the trainer's we're not hitting it off at all. And the train trainer said that you guys are working so well together. And this person, I don't even remember now who it was. But he said, I can't describe it. But we're just not hitting it off there something in the psyche that's just not working between us. And they eventually respected that and gave him a different dog. But again, I think it's something in the intuition, or in the relationship between the two creatures wasn't wasn't melding very well. And again, that's part of the the overall issue, when I go to get a new guide dog, and I'm on number eight since 1964. I tell everyone, and I've been I've been able to establish a relationship with everyone, but I tell everyone, it takes a year to truly develop the relationship that we want to have. Because although a dog may indeed, truly, unconditionally love, what they do not do is unconditionally trust, and trust has to be earned. And that bond has to be created all the way around. Dr. Gabe Roberts 36:08 Right? Absolutely. Michael Hingson 36:11 And it's, it's, it's fascinating to, to see that relationship grow, and I'm very aware of it. And so I love to, to, to develop those relationships. And I think that so often, once again, we just tend to be afraid of so many things that we teach fear, like, like with dealing with disabilities, one of the things I talk a lot about on on unstoppable mindset is disabilities and especially blindness. For years, one of the top five fears in this country, according to the Gallup polling organization, was going blind, not even becoming disabled, because we teach everyone that I say it's the only game in town, when, in reality, all of you sighted people only get to do things at night, because Thomas Edison and others invented the electric light bulb for for light dependent people, right, and you don't get along very well without light. But but the reality is we learn to fear something that is so different than than what we're used to. And we never go back and think more about the fact that will, why is it such a bad thing to be blind? We live in such a technological world today. That means that so many things can be made available. And ironically, because we live in a technological world where it's possible to make everything accessible, we're also seeing much more graphics and things are becoming more inaccessible, which is very frustrating. Right? You know, and how do you deal with that? And so, it, it still gets back to how do we deal with breaking some of the cycles? And it is all about education, of course, isn't it? Dr. Gabe Roberts 37:51 It is, it isn't a sense for the people that are definitely wanting more that people are definitely wanting to know more. You know, I've studied the mind in depth. And one thing I do know is people will unconsciously reject anything that doesn't match their own identity, they just unconsciously, unintentionally, sometimes unwillingly, they just reject it. And, and they'll also reject something that doesn't match with what they believe, to be true. And so the people that have flexible truths that allow new information in new information is available and and perhaps even more beneficial information. Those are the ones that will actually, you know, absolutely thrive. And those are the ones that will be able to produce changes in the in the life they want. Where sometimes if a person is not willing to change, there's no amount of education actually worked for them. Michael Hingson 38:56 We're seeing a lot of that today, aren't we with the pandemic and just the whole fractured political environment, there's so many people who just don't trust and aren't willing to look at alternatives for what they believe. And it is. It's hard to figure out how to deal with that. Dr. Gabe Roberts 39:15 Right? I would say that's absolutely true. And it goes down to, you know, when one of the things that I think is responsible for that is the fact that we lost connection, on purpose. And we found that connection through like the television and, and when we're hooked to something like that, it becomes almost a substitute for that connection. And now as as harmful as it might be. We are you know in a time now where we are fearful we are using we're using our own third. I'd say the powers to be are using our own neurology And first, people that are that have families are conflicted. There's a great amount of fear. And you know, it's just, it's just a very odd time. Michael Hingson 40:13 It is. And we, we, we never step back and look at what we do. Or we very seldom ever step back and look at what we do. One of the things I like to do, especially when I speak and I do a fair amount of speaking to the public, is I record them and listen to the more like doing podcasts. I like to go back and listen, because I want to hear what I did. I am a firm believer, and I'm my own worst critic. And that's a good thing. Because I will learn from, from what I do. And I think it's important that we all should do that we shouldn't just go through the day doing what we do. At some point, we should step back a little bit and think about what happened. And was this the right choice? Or what could I have done better and look to that inner part of us to help create change, and you're right, people often just don't want to change at all. Dr. Gabe Roberts 41:09 Right? It's just, it's just the way we're wired. Yeah. If you become aware of that, it's something you can easily overcome. It's something you can easily overcome, just to be aware of how your system works. And it's natural to, it's natural to reject those things. But you often want to ask, well, what's this new information? What if what if it benefits me? It might even be uncomfortable to step into this? You know, this new unfamiliar territory? And, but that's where that's where positive change comes? Otherwise, we, we tend to just keep doing the same things. And we keep doing the same thing. We get the same result. Michael Hingson 41:52 Well, you just said, we're, we're we're wired and we're wired the way we're wired. The the question ultimately is, can we change the way we're wired? And I'm kind of hearing you say, we can and there's a way to do that. Dr. Gabe Roberts 42:09 Right. And that's just that's becoming aware of the resistance, the way our body naturally resists things. We resist anything that doesn't match with how we see ourselves. That's why oftentimes, whenever I talk with people, I'll even talk with women. And I'll say, can you take a compliment? If your spouse gave you a compliment, or a partner, or if you were single, and you were dating again, and you you met a guy, and he gave you a compliment? Would you be able to take it, and in most cases, it might be flattering to them, but they really can't accept it. Even if these women put a lot of work into making themselves groomed and looking good. They still have trouble accepting that compliment. That's just one example of how they reject something that doesn't match what was there first, maybe they weren't, maybe they weren't told, as young child that they are a beautiful, you know, beautiful young girl or something. So that we also resist anything that conflicts with how others will see us. So we always try to put on show we create stories, we do things to make sure we always look the best for people. And we also want to do with the consensus we don't want to. And again, this is just it doesn't mean it's right. It just means this naturally how we're wired, they've done a lot of social experience, or people will. They'll do what the consensus is, even if they know it's wrong. Michael Hingson 43:35 Yeah. Oh, we, oh, I'll go ahead. Dr. Gabe Roberts 43:39 And then we reject anything that, that conflicts with what we believe to be true. I believe, if we understand those, that starts just a path of of that starts us on the path of going beyond that, and working against how we're wired to do and that's where that's where fantastic changes as in through history, there's been a number of people that have understood this. They stood out Buckminster Fuller Edison with the lightbulb you mentioned. Even today, Elon Musk, you know, so these are people that that fully accepted information. They didn't care what others thought, and they did what really made them feel good. Michael Hingson 44:22 Like go back to dogs again, you know, the I'm talking about dogs don't necessarily unconditionally trust but the difference between dogs and people is it dogs unless something incredibly wretched happen to them are more open to trust. So you talked about the the women accepting a compliment, you know, they're also probably unconsciously if nothing else wondering and consciously wondering, well, what's the real reason for saying that and we we live in that kind of a world that trust is so under attack. Dr. Gabe Roberts 44:57 It is. It is. I mean, we try trust and connection. You know, we have a tremendous amount of divorce rates in the United States. But we're also in a society to where if you go to the supermarket, and you're getting groceries and you accidentally, you accidentally brush hands with strangers, it's almost awkward. Yeah. So it's like we're not taught in this culture, and it's not anyone's fault. It's just something we've lost. It's something we've lost as a human species. And that's where a lot of my work comes into play. dealing with trauma is, you know, you rewind the clock back several 1000 years ago to where we as humans were much more mobile. And we were in big groups where the men hunted, the child was held for the first three years of life held by the mom, the dad, the grandma, grandpa, the aunt, uncle, everyone in this tribe was willing to hold the child for the first three years. And that had a huge impact on their brain development. Because of the intuition of, you know, connection, the child needs connection. And even if a parent would say in that situation, a dad went out for a hunt, and actually was killed in an accident, the child wouldn't be as traumatized because someone would step up and there'd be that connection, that connection would be fulfilled. So the child would still grow up growing up hold with the biological need met. Now, today, it always goes back to that that's where most traumas today, whenever I regress people back to that first circumstance, it always goes to an emotional need not met. And it's not because the parent was bad, because we've lost that as a society. And chances are, that parent didn't get that emotional needs met either, and so on and so forth. It's not genetic, it's behavioral, that gets passed down. And and I would say, with, with your instance, about dogs, and having that year, to fully bond where you really trust each other, and the dog trust you, I would say if you had the intention of this dog, if you really just focus your inner thoughts on the stock, of welcoming it, and you're in your presence, and you die, day one, when you got that dog home, if you literally thought I welcome you in my presence, and I'm full of joy, to have you in my presence, I would, I would guess that that trust a dog begins to build with you will happen much, much, much sooner, within probably within probably days, two weeks verse a full year, Michael Hingson 47:55 I think the trust develops very quickly. But I think what takes a while is just really learning how to interpret each other. From up from a physical and practical standpoint, it's just a process of really getting to know each other. But I agree with exactly what you're saying. If you're open to trust, and you convey that the trust itself happens very quickly. It's just the whole process can take a while to learn the logistics, right? Well, we're going to have to stop, unfortunately. But would you be willing to do more of this and do it again? Dr. Gabe Roberts 48:30 Absolutely. Michael, perfect shave. I appreciate you calling me in this was this was great. Michael Hingson 48:35 How do people get a hold of you, if they'd like to talk with you and learn more about you or adopt you as as a doctor in their lives? Dr. Gabe Roberts 48:47 I put a tremendous amount of content on social media. So if some, the biggest one today without a doubt is Facebook. So just go to Gabe Roberts G A B E Roberts on Facebook, Dr. Gabe Roberts, I do have a professional page on there. And I put a lot of educational content there for people to kind of read and understand some of the things we talked about today. As well as an email to get to contact me directly would be info@elevateyourfield.com so it's ElevateYourField.com Michael Hingson 49:28 info at Elevate your field calm. Yes, sir. Well, Gabe, thank you very much. You've been wonderful. I've learned a lot today. And definitely look forward to continuing this discussion and doing it again. Dr. Gabe Roberts 49:45 Excellent. Michael, thank you very much. I look forward to it as well. Michael Hingson 49:49 So there we have another unstoppable mindset podcast and it is as unexpected as it gets. And we got to talk about lots of different things. I hope that you will Give us a five star rating. Wherever you listen to podcasts. If you want to learn more and to subscribe directly, feel free to visit me at www.MichaelHingson.com M I C H A E L H I N G S O N .com/podcast. Thank you again for listening. 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