Missionary

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beautiful humans and welcome

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to another episode of the

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midlife revolution i'm your

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host vegan connor and today

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we're going to talk about

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what might happen if you

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are visited by a pair of

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mormon missionaries you've

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seen these lovely ladies

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and young men out there on

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the streets maybe knocking

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on doors maybe they've even

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come to your door

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the classic white

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short-sleeved button-down shirt with tie,

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the classic black name tag

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declaring elder or sister.

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You've seen them on their bikes.

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You've seen them talking to

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strangers on the street.

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And maybe someday they will

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come to your door.

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Here's a lovely guide on Amazon,

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a Catholic survival kit,

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what to do when

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missionaries come knocking.

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Honestly, I love to see these bright,

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smiling faces.

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My daughter served a Mormon

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mission right after she

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graduated from high school,

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and I always am going to

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talk to missionaries when

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they come around, invite them in,

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and wish them the best,

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although I may not be

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interested in listening to their message.

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I will talk a little bit

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later in a subsequent

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episode with my daughter

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about her mission experience.

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And you may be shocked to

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know that a lot of these

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young men and women are

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paying their own way to be

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on their mission.

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last time that i checked it

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cost about 450 a month to

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attend a mission and young

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men and women are expected

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to pay their own way in

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addition they receive very

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little help from the church

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in paying for meals and

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other things like that a

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lot of them are living in

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apartments that have been

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leased for a very long time

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and the missionaries in the

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area have been living in those apartments

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for years and years,

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just coming and going as

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they leave their mission.

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And many of them don't get

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enough to eat during the day.

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They have to be out teaching

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for a certain number of hours a day.

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They're up very early in the morning.

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And it used to be that the

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members were allowed to

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feed the missionaries once a week.

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But now they've sort of

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decreased the amount of time

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that they want to have

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missionaries in the homes of members.

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And so the last that I heard,

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the missionaries were

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allowed to come over and

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share a message with you,

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but not to share a meal.

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They preferred that the

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missionaries be out talking

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to people who are not

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members of the church.

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So I'm not sure how much of

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that has changed,

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but we will have more

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discussions about it.

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The reason I mention it is

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because whenever I see missionaries,

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I always want to ask them

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if they have enough to eat,

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if they're feeling safe,

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if they're well cared for,

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and if they feel safe.

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on their mission and with

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their leadership or if

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there's anything that they

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want to talk about,

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I open the door for that.

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I always offer them water

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when they come through my

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neighborhood just because

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they're out there in the heat a lot.

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And oftentimes I will send

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them off with food or with

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money to go buy food

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because I know a lot of

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them don't get enough to

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eat on their mission.

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So the mission rules have

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changed a lot over the years, obviously,

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but also the topics that

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the missionaries talk about

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have changed a lot.

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And you may be curious about

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what they might say to you

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if they come to your door,

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but you may also not want

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to invite them in and endure that.

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So this episode is just for that.

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I will tell you some of the

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things that they might talk

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about at your door,

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and then you can make a

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choice about whether you

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want to have them come in or not.

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first of all when a

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missionary comes and knocks

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on your door if you answer

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the door and have a

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conversation at all that

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conversation gets recorded

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in what's called the area

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book the missionaries want

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to keep a record of who

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answers the door and who

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doesn't who's friendly to

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the missionaries and who is

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not and if there's any

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little spark of interest at

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all opening the door's interest

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then they're going to keep

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your name and your contact

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information in their area

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book so that when they get

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transferred out of the area

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and the next missionaries come in,

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the next missionaries know

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that you're a safe person.

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You can knock on their door.

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They're going to notate it.

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If you offer them food or drink,

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they're going to notate it.

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If you come in and offer to

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have a conversation, if you say, no,

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thanks, I'm an atheist,

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they're going to make a

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note of that as well.

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They may still come to try

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and contact you.

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even if you declare a

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religious affiliation or no

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religious affiliation.

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So they keep track of all of

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these things and keep

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records so that the next

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missionaries have an idea

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of where to start when

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they're in your neighborhood.

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Now, a long time ago,

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there used to be actual

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physical pamphlets that the

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missionaries would use on

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each one of their visits to your house.

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And the first pamphlet that they used was

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a guidebook for the

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missionaries to use that

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would sort of guide them

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through a number of topics

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and lessons for you.

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Nowadays, missionaries will say, Hey,

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can we share a message with

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you about families?

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Which means they want to

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talk about temples, eternal families,

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how your family can be together.

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They may say,

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can we share a message with

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you about Jesus Christ?

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And then they want to share

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how they believe that Jesus

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Christ visited the people

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on this continent.

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And that is what is part of

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the book of Mormon is the

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record of that visit.

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They may say,

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we'd like to share a message

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with you about God.

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And then they'll probably

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talk about what they call

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the plan of salvation or

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the plan of happiness.

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And they'll take you through

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what they believe is what

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happened before we got here to earth,

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why we're here on the earth,

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and then what's gonna

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happen after we leave the earth.

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So today's missionaries are

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trained more just to have a

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conversation with you.

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They may even say,

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can we share a Bible verse with you?

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in which they might share a

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verse with you from joseph

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smith's translation of the

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bible which might differ

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from the version of the

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bible that you read it's

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all of this is just to open

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the door to have a

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religious conversation to

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find out what religion you

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are if you're satisfied

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with your religion if

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you're questioning religion

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or if you have no religion

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and you're searching for

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meaning and purpose in your

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life but back in the 80s

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they had discussion pamphlets and

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when a missionary goes to

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the missionary training

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center what they were

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learning was how to contact

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a person develop a

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relationship with them open

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the door for teaching

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opportunities and then

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exactly what to teach they

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would go through these

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little pamphlets while they

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were sitting there at your

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kitchen table they had a

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very specific outline as to

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what they were going to

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address with you what

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scriptures to read what

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questions to ask and all of

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that so i want to present

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those today because

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when missionaries come into

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your home to teach you

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about mormonism or the

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church of jesus christ of

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latter-day saints they're

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going to paint for you a

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very basic picture of some

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of the most important

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doctrines to them but

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there's a lot of things

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that they're not going to tell you

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as well of course they're

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going to leave out

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problematic racial history

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of course they don't want

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to talk about polygamy

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they'll say that that's in

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the past of course they're

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not going to want to talk

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about things like the ces

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letter or anything that

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challenges the official

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mormon narrative they're

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not going to want to talk

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about the recent sec fine

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or any of the financial

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scandals that have come up.

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They're not going to want to

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talk about Tim Ballard

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being excommunicated.

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They're not going to want to

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talk about the abuse claims

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or the settlements with the

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Boy Scouts of America over abuse.

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All of those things are off

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the table for missionary discussions.

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So,

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Unfortunately,

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it's not really a situation

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where they're trying to

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convert you with informed consent.

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They're trying to convert

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you as quickly as possible

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by sort of appealing to

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your sensibilities about

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spirituality and God.

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They want to ask you to pray

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about things rather than

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using your critical

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thinking skills to

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logically analyze what they're saying.

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And their goal is to get you

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baptized as quickly as they can.

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And then more information will come later.

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I know this is true because

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I was a member of the

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church for 40 years of my life,

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arguably 45 years if you

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count my childhood as well.

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And I was also a ward missionary,

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which meant that my job was

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to meet with all of the

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people who'd been recently

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baptized and teach them a

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second set of lessons,

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the lessons that come after

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a person has visited with

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the missionaries and gone

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through the baptismal process.

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The lessons I was teaching

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didn't cover any of those

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problematic topics either.

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They dug a little bit deeper

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into what is expected of

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you as a member of the LDS church.

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And really some of it was cultural,

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but there was a little bit

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of doctrinal stuff in there.

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Things like the word of wisdom,

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not drinking, smoking,

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all of those kinds of things.

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And it was a little bit of a

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deeper dive into some of

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the doctrinal things as well.

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There was a set of 12

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lessons when I was a ward missionary.

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So every time a person got baptized,

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I would visit with them

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once a week during those 12 lessons.

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Sometimes we would give

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those lessons during Sunday

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school on Sunday,

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but my job was really more

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for those people who had gotten baptized,

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but weren't attending

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Sunday school at church on Sunday.

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And so I would go into their homes

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and try to invite them back

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to church say we miss you

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we love you we'd love to

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have you and also

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Here's a spiritual discussion.

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How are you feeling about

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your spirituality?

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Are you praying?

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Are you reading your scriptures every day?

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And it was my job to do that

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for about two years while I

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was an active believing

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member of the church.

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So I want to go through with

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you now what the discussion

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manuals looked like back in

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the 80s when there was a

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manual for every single lesson.

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These come...

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courtesy of IMGR,

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where anybody can post

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things and turn it into a

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searchable PDF format.

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So you can see it says,

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The Plan of Our Heavenly Father,

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Discussion 1,

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Uniform System for Teaching the Gospel.

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It was very important to the

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church and still is that

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all of the missionaries are

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teaching the same lessons

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and that they're presenting

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the same information in the same way.

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No going off book here.

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and there's a set of

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instructions here for the

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lesson planning for the

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discussion and this would

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all happen before they even

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come into your home before

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they even leave their

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apartment for the day so

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the lds missionaries will

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get up at six o'clock

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they're supposed to have

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personal scripture study

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then they're supposed to

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exercise then they're

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supposed to have companion

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study which means them and

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their companion will study

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the scriptures together

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and they're supposed to say

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a prayer about who they're

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supposed to teach that day,

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get guidance from God or

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the Holy Spirit about what

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neighborhoods to visit.

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And so they'll show up in

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your neighborhood

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spiritually prepared to

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meet somebody who wants to

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learn about the gospel.

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So when you look at this

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planning for the discussion

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phase right here, it says,

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prepare to teach this

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discussion by thinking

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about the investigator's needs.

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People who were learning

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about the church were

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called investigators at the time.

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And so they were instructed

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to think about the needs of

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you as an individual.

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And also they were

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instructed to pray about

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what you might need to hear

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about and what potential

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problems might come up.

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says then how plan how you

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might present the

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discussion to meet these

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needs for example consider

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which of your own

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experiences might be

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meaningful to them to hear

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what examples might help

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them understand clearly or

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resolve their concerns

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which book of mormon

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passages you could share

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with them which of their

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own experiences might

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relate to your message

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specifically plan what you

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will do to prepare these

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investigators to feel the spirit

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two,

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when to invite them to make

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commitments like praying or

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getting baptized, and three,

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how you will follow up to

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help them keep their commitments.

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The main focus of the

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discussion should be the

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Book of Mormon and the

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Prophet Joseph Smith.

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Do not spend too much time

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on the first two principles,

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especially if the

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investigators basically

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agree with what you present.

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Leave enough time to discuss

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the truths that are unique

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to the restored gospel.

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After the discussion,

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the investigator's

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strongest impressions

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should be of the Book of

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Mormon and the Prophet Joseph Smith.

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Through them,

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we gained our understanding

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of God and His plan.

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Now the doctrinal overview,

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there are six points to this,

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and I can totally

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understand why they started

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to narrow down.

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the discussion format

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because there's a lot of

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material to go over here.

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And you could,

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even if you only spent 10

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minutes on each one, that's a full hour.

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But these topics are pretty

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deep for just 10 minutes of discussion.

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So here are the main principles.

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God the Father has a plan

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for our happiness.

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It's called the plan of salvation.

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If they go into describing

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the plan of salvation,

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that's probably like

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another 20 or 30 minute discussion.

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Number two,

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Jesus Christ has a central

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mission in the plan,

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meaning he's very important to the plan.

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Number three,

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God reveals the truth about

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his plan through prophets.

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It's very important for prophets.

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investigators to understand

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what a prophet is and

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relate to you that there is

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a prophet on the earth today.

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Number four,

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the prophet Joseph Smith is a

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modern witness of Jesus Christ.

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Through him,

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God has restored knowledge

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about the divine plan.

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Number five,

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the Book of Mormon is another

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testament of Jesus Christ

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that clearly explains the divine plan.

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And six, through the Holy Ghost,

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each person can know this

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message is true.

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and then commitments during

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this discussion you need to

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help the investigators feel

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the presence of the holy

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spirit this will prepare

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them to make the

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commitments that lead to

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conversion and baptism

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during this discussion the

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investigators should commit

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themselves to one read from

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the book of mormon and pray

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to know that it is true the

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following reading

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assignment is suggested and

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then they give the specific

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verses and chapters that

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they want investigators to

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read as homework after the

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discussion is over

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then they want them to pray

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that to know that joseph

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smith is a prophet of god

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and take part in the next

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discussion preferably the

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remaining five discussions

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at a specific time so

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missionaries were taught to

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go ahead and get a

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commitment from the

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investigators to come back

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for a second discussion and

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get a commitment from them

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that they were going to

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read the chapters in the

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book of mormon and pray

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about whether or not they

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were true in fact you'll

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notice it wasn't presented

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that way it said

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pray to know that the book

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of mormon is true pray to

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know that joseph smith was

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a prophet so they didn't

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want to even introduce the

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possibility of doubt there

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so once they get to the

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investigators home they are

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to create a learning atmosphere

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they want you to become

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acquainted and build a

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relationship of trust and

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they line out exactly how

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this how to do this you

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might share information

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about yourself including

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your hometown family and

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schooling your interests

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and why you came on a

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mission although now

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missionaries are counseled

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not to talk about their

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hometown or their family or

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their schooling they're

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taught to focus only on the mission

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So, for example,

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they told us as members

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that we were not supposed

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to ask missionaries where they were from.

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We were supposed to ask them

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how long they'd been on their mission.

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They wanted to keep the

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elders and the sisters

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focused on what they were

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doing and not thinking

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about being at home.

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And so that was just another

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way that they sort of tried

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to keep missionaries on

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track and thinking about

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the right things while they

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were on their mission.

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next you might find out

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about the investigators

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family work interests

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religious attitudes

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experiences that led them

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to investigate the church

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acquaintance with members

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of the church knowledge of

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the church and their their

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experiences with people who

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are lds if you spent any

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time at all in sales you

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know that these are sales

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tactics this is a way to

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build a relationship you're

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asking about their

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important things they're

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asking about your important

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things you're sharing some things

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And you're asking them to

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share really personal

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information about their

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religious beliefs as well.

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So they're trying to really

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get you to be vulnerable in

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this first discussion right off the bat.

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Then it says,

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establish a reverent atmosphere.

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Set a reverent and relaxed

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atmosphere of the discussion.

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Remember that you're a guest

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in the investigator's home.

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You should,

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with the investigator's permission,

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arrange the seating so all

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can participate comfortably.

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That's interesting.

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I've never had a missionary

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do that in my house.

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Try to remove distractions.

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For instance,

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ask whether you may turn off

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the television or radio.

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I did have them do this when

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they were teaching my former spouse,

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who was not a member of the

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church when we first got married.

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They would often ask,

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can we turn off the TV?

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If he was in the kitchen

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doing dishes after dinner, they would say,

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would you join us over here?

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Rather than doing dishes while we talk,

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they really want your full

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undivided attention.

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They say, recognize the family head,

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which of course is going to be the man,

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invite all family members to participate.

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With the permission of the family head,

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offer a prayer.

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And then later they would

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ask you to be the one to pray.

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they're supposed to

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introduce the discussion

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and they're going to talk

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briefly about the points

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that they're going to cover

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in the discussion they're

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going to prepare you for

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what to expect for example

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they should feel free to

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express their feelings ask

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questions tell you when

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they don't understand

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something and sincerely try

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to find out whether your

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message is true so

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there are five actually

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there are six principles in

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this first discussion and

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you can see this is quite a

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lengthy pamphlet it's a lot

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to go through and i can

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imagine a set of

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missionaries spending a

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couple of hours on all of

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this especially if somebody

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is either not really

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familiar with religion or

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with the scriptures with

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the bible at all if they

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aren't really practicing

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any particular religion

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it would be a lot to go through.

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And you could spend probably

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a half an hour on each one

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of these points.

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And it would probably feel

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really overwhelming to try

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and get all of this crammed

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into one lesson,

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which I think is why the

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church has gotten away from

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this particular format of teaching.

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And they've gone to more informal,

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shorter discussions where

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you spend 15 to 20 minutes

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talking about a gospel principle.

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I think that the focus is

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still to try and get the

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person to come to church

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right away the following Sunday.

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And also the next commitment

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is to try and get them to

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agree to be baptized as

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quickly as possible,

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sometimes even with just one discussion.

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There used to be a rule that

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people had to attend church

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two times before they could get baptized.

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I don't know if that's still a rule or not,

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but the person getting

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baptized does have to go to

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an interview with the bishop.

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basically to confirm what

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was taught and then make

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sure that they understand

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it and make sure that they

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are willing to get baptized

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as far as i know there is

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absolutely no point at

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which a bishop interviewing

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a potential person to get

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baptized or a missionary

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presenting the material at

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no point are they going to

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ask you if you know about

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any of the other historical

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things of the church or

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attempt to teach you those things

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They're going to present the

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prescribed information and

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they're going to get you to

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commit to it as quickly as possible.

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So the main focus of these

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discussions back then was

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to get into the first

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vision of Joseph Smith,

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where he claimed to see God

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and Jesus Christ.

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And they told him not to

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join any of the churches

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because none of them were correct,

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but that he needed to wait

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for further instructions

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from God about what to do

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regarding religion.

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That's really the focus of

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this first discussion is to

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get people to understand

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that we can only find out

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about God through a prophet

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or through the revelation

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of God through a prophet.

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And they want to make sure

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that you understand that

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Joseph Smith was a prophet

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because he saw God in Jesus Christ.

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and then claimed to speak

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for him for the rest of his life.

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Getting you to understand

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that principle is really important.

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And the reason I want to

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bring this one up today is

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the first one that most

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missionaries will go over with you.

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But there are some things

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even about this first

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vision of Joseph Smith that

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they won't tell you about

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and things that I didn't

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even know about as a member

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of the church.

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And it wasn't until about

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2015 that the LDS Church

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started posting on their

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website these things called

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gospel topic essays,

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which addressed some of the

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history of the church.

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That's become problematic in

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the last years because the

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more people ask questions about it,

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the less they believe in

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the truth claims that they

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were taught since they were a kid.

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So we'll get back to that a

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little bit later.

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I just want to show you what

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is in the rest of this

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lesson manual and what the

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missionaries go over.

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So principle one, we believe in God.

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Most people believe in a supreme being,

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even though they may call

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him by different names.

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We know that God lives and

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we want to share with you

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our feelings about him.

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God is perfect, all wise and all powerful.

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He's also merciful, kind and just.

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except when he's not we know

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that he can have that we

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can have faith in him we

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can love him with all our

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hearts and then next to it

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it says find out what the

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investigators believe about

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god and how they feel about god

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Next, God is our father in heaven.

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We're children of our father in heaven.

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We're created in his image

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because he's the father of all people.

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We are brothers and sisters.

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And that's why LDS people

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call each other brother and

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their last name or sister

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and their last name.

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We don't really use first

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names in the church.

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God has a plan for us.

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As our father, God loves us.

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He wants us to progress and be happy.

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He wants us to become more like him.

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He prepared a plan that will

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bring us joy in this life

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and eternal life with him.

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This plan is called the plan of salvation.

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Now,

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sometimes they call it the plan of

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happiness.

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Then they tell the missionaries to testify,

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express your feelings about

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your belief in God, his wisdom,

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and his love for us,

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what it means to you to

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know that you're a child of God,

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and the happiness you've

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found through your efforts

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to grow and become more like God.

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These testify experiences

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sort of start to follow a

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really familiar pattern.

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And when you listen to

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people in the LDS church

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talk about their beliefs,

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sometimes they'll call it a testimony,

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and sometimes they'll say,

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I would like to bear my testimony,

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which basically means they

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just want to tell you what they believe.

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Once a month in the LDS church,

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there is a fast and

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testimony meeting where

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members are expected to

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give up two meals.

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They're expected to fast for

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two meals and then give up

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the cost of those meals to

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feed the poor and needy.

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This is a concept that I

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actually really loved as a

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member of the church.

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I thought it was wonderful

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for me to make a sacrifice

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and to give money so that

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other people could be fed.

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That made a lot of sense to me.

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It sounded like something

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that Jesus would have taught.

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And I really loved that part

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of the church.

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Then there's some scriptural

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resources over here.

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And what would happen in

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these fast and testimony

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meetings is that you're

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supposed to come to church

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having fasted for two meals.

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And then the leader of the congregation,

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who's called a bishop,

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would open up the meeting

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for anybody to come and

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share their testimony or

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what they believe.

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So it was sort of like,

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I like to call it open mic

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Sunday because anybody

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could get up there and talk

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about anything.

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And as I got a little bit older,

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the church leadership in

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Salt Lake started to tell people,

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you really need to restrict

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your testimony to some

00:23:36.344 --> 00:23:37.765

basic gospel principles.

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We don't want to hear travel logs.

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People get up there all the time and say,

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I recently took a trip to blah, blah,

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blah.

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And when I attended

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sacrament meeting there,

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this is what happened.

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um they really don't want

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people to share things

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about their sins for

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example they don't want

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people to get up and say i

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really struggle with the

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word of wisdom and i had a

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drink last night and i

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promised myself i'm not

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going to do it again and

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i'm going to repent now

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They also don't really want

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you to share things about

00:24:05.101 --> 00:24:06.662

your personal medical journey.

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Although a lot of people do

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that because we do believe

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Mormons do believe in the

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laying on of hands for the

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healing of the sick.

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And so a lot of people use

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testimony meeting as an

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opportunity to talk about a

00:24:18.512 --> 00:24:19.933

time when they were very sick.

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and then were healed after a

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priesthood blessing.

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And things got out of hand a

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lot of the time.

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I heard a lot of very

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sensitive information in

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church meetings that I

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didn't feel was appropriate to share.

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And it can be really

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overwhelming for a new

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member to come in during

00:24:37.073 --> 00:24:37.974

one of these testimony

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meetings and hear people

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sharing all of this personal information.

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So that would have been an

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opportunity for somebody to come up.

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And the leadership of the

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church did tell us we need

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to restrict it to these five things.

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We want you to talk about

00:24:51.184 --> 00:24:52.705

your belief in the Book of Mormon,

00:24:53.486 --> 00:24:55.086

in the restoration of the gospel,

00:24:55.307 --> 00:24:56.587

in the prophet Joseph Smith,

00:24:56.847 --> 00:24:57.868

in the current prophet.

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And I forget there was another one.

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the scriptures or something like that.

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So they tried to keep people

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narrowed down to these little topics,

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but it didn't always work.

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And a lot of times it ended

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up being really

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uncomfortable and embarrassing.

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More than once I heard

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people make political

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statements from the stand.

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And more than once I heard people,

00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:18.221

more than once people were

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asked to step down before

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they had finished their very,

00:25:21.603 --> 00:25:22.884

very long testimony.

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All of that to say,

00:25:24.721 --> 00:25:26.041

testimonies can start to

00:25:26.101 --> 00:25:28.502

sound like a little bit of a prescribed,

00:25:28.943 --> 00:25:29.943

a little bit of a script.

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And so missionaries coming

00:25:32.324 --> 00:25:34.065

into your home will bear their testimony.

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They'll say something like,

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I want you to know.

00:25:36.870 --> 00:25:38.011

that I believe that Joseph

00:25:38.051 --> 00:25:39.251

Smith was a prophet of God.

00:25:39.671 --> 00:25:40.832

I know that he restored the

00:25:40.872 --> 00:25:42.513

gospel of Jesus Christ to the earth.

00:25:43.113 --> 00:25:44.434

And I know that the Book of

00:25:44.474 --> 00:25:45.694

Mormon is the word of God.

00:25:45.975 --> 00:25:47.896

And I know this because I prayed about it.

00:25:48.516 --> 00:25:49.837

The Holy Ghost bore witness

00:25:49.877 --> 00:25:50.877

to me that it was true.

00:25:51.337 --> 00:25:52.818

And I know that if you pray to God,

00:25:53.278 --> 00:25:54.259

that the Holy Ghost will

00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:55.399

bear witness to you too.

00:25:56.080 --> 00:25:57.060

That's kind of what that's

00:25:57.100 --> 00:25:58.701

going to sound like and look like.

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And at the end of the discussion,

00:26:00.402 --> 00:26:01.242

the missionaries are gonna

00:26:01.342 --> 00:26:02.283

ask you to pray,

00:26:02.903 --> 00:26:03.664

or they're going to give

00:26:03.684 --> 00:26:04.404

you an assignment

00:26:05.142 --> 00:26:06.143

to promise that you'll pray

00:26:06.183 --> 00:26:07.243

about the things they've taught you.

00:26:09.644 --> 00:26:11.145

The second principle is the

00:26:11.505 --> 00:26:14.086

divine sonship of Jesus Christ.

00:26:16.868 --> 00:26:19.209

We need help to overcome sin and death.

00:26:19.289 --> 00:26:21.090

Without the help of our Father in heaven,

00:26:21.170 --> 00:26:22.250

we could not benefit from

00:26:22.270 --> 00:26:23.331

the plan of salvation.

00:26:23.991 --> 00:26:25.712

now i'm pretty certain that

00:26:25.932 --> 00:26:26.872

the missionaries also

00:26:26.932 --> 00:26:28.192

during this lesson were

00:26:28.573 --> 00:26:30.313

asked to present the plan

00:26:30.353 --> 00:26:31.554

of salvation which was a

00:26:31.674 --> 00:26:33.074

formal written plan that

00:26:33.134 --> 00:26:34.515

wanted people to understand

00:26:34.935 --> 00:26:35.735

and again this could have

00:26:35.755 --> 00:26:37.135

been an entire lesson all

00:26:37.175 --> 00:26:39.076

by itself it feels super

00:26:39.136 --> 00:26:40.517

overwhelming to put all of

00:26:40.557 --> 00:26:41.597

this stuff just in one

00:26:41.637 --> 00:26:43.217

visit but i want to share

00:26:43.258 --> 00:26:45.078

with you what the plan of

00:26:45.118 --> 00:26:47.079

salvation looks like and i

00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:48.859

just went on pinterest and

00:26:49.540 --> 00:26:52.941

was able to find this little graphic

00:26:54.318 --> 00:26:55.739

and you can see lots of

00:26:55.779 --> 00:26:56.959

different graphics of the

00:26:56.999 --> 00:26:58.700

plan of salvation if you

00:26:58.720 --> 00:26:59.660

look it up online you'll

00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:00.481

see all these different

00:27:00.541 --> 00:27:02.121

versions and this

00:27:02.182 --> 00:27:03.822

particular one on pinterest

00:27:04.202 --> 00:27:05.003

the reason i picked this

00:27:05.083 --> 00:27:06.203

one is because they started

00:27:06.283 --> 00:27:08.324

to incorporate the idea

00:27:08.404 --> 00:27:09.485

that the plan of salvation

00:27:09.525 --> 00:27:10.885

is a plan of love and so

00:27:10.905 --> 00:27:12.206

they use the word or the

00:27:12.266 --> 00:27:14.527

letters in the word love to explain this

00:27:16.104 --> 00:27:18.006

Now it starts over on the

00:27:18.066 --> 00:27:20.489

very left side with pre-earth life.

00:27:20.709 --> 00:27:22.511

We believed that we existed

00:27:22.591 --> 00:27:24.293

as spirit children in sort

00:27:24.333 --> 00:27:25.594

of a heaven before we came

00:27:25.654 --> 00:27:27.916

to earth and that there was

00:27:27.937 --> 00:27:31.300

a war in heaven where God

00:27:31.340 --> 00:27:33.302

wanted to send his children

00:27:33.342 --> 00:27:34.824

to earth to test them and

00:27:34.864 --> 00:27:36.746

to see if they would follow

00:27:37.727 --> 00:27:38.448

his teachings.

00:27:39.443 --> 00:27:41.304

even when they weren't in his presence.

00:27:41.844 --> 00:27:44.085

And Mormons believed that

00:27:44.205 --> 00:27:45.645

Satan came forward and said,

00:27:46.065 --> 00:27:47.946

I have a great idea.

00:27:48.186 --> 00:27:50.227

Why don't we compel everyone

00:27:50.327 --> 00:27:51.107

to follow you?

00:27:51.327 --> 00:27:52.828

And then all of your

00:27:52.868 --> 00:27:54.468

children will get to return to heaven.

00:27:54.928 --> 00:27:56.069

They won't have any choice,

00:27:56.169 --> 00:27:57.629

but they will follow you.

00:27:57.789 --> 00:27:59.150

And then everybody gets to go to heaven.

00:27:59.750 --> 00:28:01.310

And Jesus came forward and he said,

00:28:01.470 --> 00:28:02.471

I have a better plan.

00:28:02.991 --> 00:28:04.791

My idea is that you give

00:28:04.851 --> 00:28:06.571

everyone free will and they

00:28:06.611 --> 00:28:08.252

can choose to follow you or not.

00:28:08.972 --> 00:28:11.772

And the legend goes that, of course,

00:28:11.852 --> 00:28:12.573

Jesus won.

00:28:13.093 --> 00:28:14.513

But God said, well, in that case,

00:28:14.553 --> 00:28:15.773

we're going to need a savior.

00:28:16.433 --> 00:28:18.034

And Satan said, you know,

00:28:18.094 --> 00:28:19.694

send me as a savior.

00:28:19.734 --> 00:28:21.394

I'll make sure everybody follows the plan.

00:28:21.494 --> 00:28:22.174

And Jesus said,

00:28:22.214 --> 00:28:23.715

send me and I'll sacrifice

00:28:23.775 --> 00:28:24.835

myself forever.

00:28:25.080 --> 00:28:27.041

So that people can repent

00:28:27.161 --> 00:28:27.942

and return to you.

00:28:28.342 --> 00:28:29.583

And the legend is that Jesus

00:28:29.643 --> 00:28:31.344

won out and became our savior.

00:28:31.865 --> 00:28:32.825

That's what happened in the

00:28:32.845 --> 00:28:33.526

pre-earth life.

00:28:34.486 --> 00:28:36.388

And then there was the creation.

00:28:36.408 --> 00:28:38.069

And then at the bottom of

00:28:38.089 --> 00:28:40.150

the L that's us coming to earth,

00:28:40.410 --> 00:28:41.471

receiving our bodies,

00:28:41.711 --> 00:28:43.472

our spirits and our bodies come together.

00:28:43.953 --> 00:28:44.913

And then we have this earth

00:28:44.953 --> 00:28:46.054

experience where we get to

00:28:46.114 --> 00:28:47.275

choose whether we're going

00:28:47.295 --> 00:28:48.235

to follow God or not.

00:28:48.756 --> 00:28:49.937

Then when we die,

00:28:50.337 --> 00:28:52.098

we immediately go to either

00:28:52.258 --> 00:28:54.800

paradise or spirit prison.

00:28:55.380 --> 00:28:56.602

Spirit prison is for those

00:28:56.682 --> 00:28:58.804

people who were not

00:28:58.844 --> 00:28:59.985

righteous on the earth,

00:29:00.506 --> 00:29:01.587

they did not have the

00:29:01.627 --> 00:29:02.828

gospel of Jesus Christ,

00:29:03.449 --> 00:29:05.711

and they had to be sort of set aside.

00:29:05.811 --> 00:29:07.093

Paradise is where you get to

00:29:07.133 --> 00:29:08.554

be with your loved ones and

00:29:09.015 --> 00:29:10.736

with Jesus Christ before

00:29:10.777 --> 00:29:11.637

the judgment comes.

00:29:12.558 --> 00:29:15.201

The Mormons believe that if

00:29:15.221 --> 00:29:16.823

you died without the opportunity to...

00:29:18.356 --> 00:29:19.556

hear the gospel of Jesus

00:29:19.576 --> 00:29:20.917

Christ or become converted

00:29:20.977 --> 00:29:22.217

to the gospel of Jesus Christ,

00:29:22.798 --> 00:29:25.979

that you can still, in spirit prison,

00:29:26.159 --> 00:29:27.419

be taught about Jesus.

00:29:28.019 --> 00:29:29.000

That's one of the reasons

00:29:29.080 --> 00:29:30.840

why Mormons do genealogy,

00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:31.841

family history work,

00:29:32.301 --> 00:29:33.101

and that's one of the

00:29:33.341 --> 00:29:34.742

functions of a temple.

00:29:35.262 --> 00:29:36.823

temples are not attended on

00:29:36.863 --> 00:29:38.744

sunday you go to the temple

00:29:38.925 --> 00:29:39.945

at other times during the

00:29:39.985 --> 00:29:40.966

week and there's a

00:29:41.006 --> 00:29:42.287

baptismal font in the

00:29:42.327 --> 00:29:43.788

temple and what you would

00:29:43.828 --> 00:29:45.669

do is you would go to your

00:29:45.709 --> 00:29:46.730

family history you would

00:29:46.790 --> 00:29:48.211

find somebody who had not

00:29:48.231 --> 00:29:49.151

been a member of the church

00:29:49.191 --> 00:29:50.032

while they were alive

00:29:50.212 --> 00:29:51.113

somebody who had passed

00:29:51.173 --> 00:29:52.894

away they had to be at

00:29:52.934 --> 00:29:55.396

least 110 years since they

00:29:55.476 --> 00:29:57.437

had been alive and you

00:29:57.457 --> 00:29:58.117

would put all their

00:29:58.157 --> 00:29:59.598

information into the lds

00:29:59.638 --> 00:30:00.799

database you would print

00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:01.800

out a little card and you

00:30:01.820 --> 00:30:02.720

would take that card with

00:30:02.760 --> 00:30:04.602

you to the baptistry in the temple

00:30:05.782 --> 00:30:07.723

then you would go into the

00:30:07.743 --> 00:30:09.624

waters of baptism dressed all in white.

00:30:09.904 --> 00:30:11.104

There would be an elder

00:30:11.144 --> 00:30:12.425

there who was going to

00:30:12.465 --> 00:30:13.845

perform the baptism and a

00:30:13.905 --> 00:30:15.106

witness there who would

00:30:15.286 --> 00:30:16.206

witness the baptism.

00:30:16.326 --> 00:30:17.247

And then somebody who would

00:30:17.327 --> 00:30:19.728

actually record the date

00:30:19.788 --> 00:30:21.128

and time that you were baptized.

00:30:21.208 --> 00:30:21.889

And you would give this

00:30:21.929 --> 00:30:22.769

little card with your

00:30:22.849 --> 00:30:25.590

ancestor's name on it to the elder.

00:30:26.130 --> 00:30:27.451

And the elder would say,

00:30:27.471 --> 00:30:29.952

he would call my name and he would say,

00:30:31.266 --> 00:30:31.966

Sister Aiden,

00:30:32.607 --> 00:30:35.248

I now baptize you for and in behalf of,

00:30:35.828 --> 00:30:37.329

and then you would say the person's name,

00:30:39.449 --> 00:30:40.010

Aunt Sarah,

00:30:41.150 --> 00:30:42.771

and he would repeat it and say,

00:30:42.871 --> 00:30:44.011

Aunt Sarah, who is dead,

00:30:44.131 --> 00:30:45.052

and then he would dunk you

00:30:45.072 --> 00:30:46.833

under the water and bring you up,

00:30:46.893 --> 00:30:47.473

and that would be

00:30:48.430 --> 00:30:49.890

a recorded ordinance that

00:30:49.910 --> 00:30:51.771

that person had officially been baptized.

00:30:52.371 --> 00:30:53.751

What Mormons believe is at

00:30:53.832 --> 00:30:55.832

that point that Aunt Sarah,

00:30:55.932 --> 00:30:57.212

who is already in heaven

00:30:57.272 --> 00:30:58.293

and has been dead,

00:30:58.833 --> 00:30:59.793

has been waiting for this

00:30:59.813 --> 00:31:01.234

day for a long time because

00:31:01.274 --> 00:31:02.614

while she was in spirit prison,

00:31:03.034 --> 00:31:04.755

she had people teaching her the gospel,

00:31:04.835 --> 00:31:06.095

teaching her about Jesus Christ,

00:31:06.175 --> 00:31:08.556

and she said, I believe it, I accept it,

00:31:08.896 --> 00:31:10.296

and they say, oh, that's great,

00:31:10.376 --> 00:31:11.836

but you don't have a body anymore,

00:31:11.877 --> 00:31:13.037

so you can't be baptized,

00:31:13.077 --> 00:31:14.757

so you can't progress and

00:31:14.797 --> 00:31:16.518

go to paradise until

00:31:17.776 --> 00:31:19.778

somebody on earth gets baptized for you.

00:31:20.378 --> 00:31:22.981

And so we as LDS people

00:31:23.041 --> 00:31:24.322

believed that once we were

00:31:24.362 --> 00:31:25.723

baptized for that person,

00:31:26.204 --> 00:31:27.365

that they could then move

00:31:27.525 --> 00:31:29.667

out of spirit prison and into paradise.

00:31:31.569 --> 00:31:33.070

So that's a little tangent

00:31:33.390 --> 00:31:35.953

about baptism that came

00:31:36.013 --> 00:31:37.214

about mainly because I was

00:31:37.254 --> 00:31:38.075

trying to talk about the

00:31:38.115 --> 00:31:38.975

plan of salvation.

00:31:39.055 --> 00:31:40.397

So we'll go back to that now.

00:31:43.496 --> 00:31:45.557

So after being in paradise

00:31:45.617 --> 00:31:46.478

or spirit prison,

00:31:46.878 --> 00:31:47.938

then we believe that

00:31:48.659 --> 00:31:50.260

everybody on earth who ever

00:31:50.320 --> 00:31:51.640

lived will be resurrected

00:31:52.421 --> 00:31:53.541

and their body and their

00:31:53.581 --> 00:31:54.842

spirit will come back together.

00:31:55.402 --> 00:31:57.183

And then we will all be judged.

00:31:57.563 --> 00:31:59.464

And we will go to one of

00:31:59.544 --> 00:32:01.666

three kingdoms based on our faithfulness.

00:32:01.726 --> 00:32:01.946

Now,

00:32:02.326 --> 00:32:04.227

Mormons believe that the telestial

00:32:04.267 --> 00:32:06.368

kingdom is basically going

00:32:06.408 --> 00:32:08.169

to be heaven on earth.

00:32:08.329 --> 00:32:08.929

It's the earth,

00:32:08.989 --> 00:32:11.231

but like in a renewed paradisical state.

00:32:12.231 --> 00:32:13.452

And that the terrestrial

00:32:13.492 --> 00:32:14.612

kingdom is going to be even

00:32:14.692 --> 00:32:15.433

cooler than that.

00:32:15.593 --> 00:32:16.713

And the celestial kingdom is

00:32:16.733 --> 00:32:17.894

going to be the only place

00:32:17.914 --> 00:32:18.894

where you can live with God

00:32:18.954 --> 00:32:20.855

and Jesus Christ and your family members.

00:32:21.476 --> 00:32:23.397

In order to get into the celestial kingdom,

00:32:23.477 --> 00:32:25.038

you have to not only be baptized,

00:32:25.078 --> 00:32:26.238

but you also have to go

00:32:26.298 --> 00:32:27.179

through the temple and

00:32:27.219 --> 00:32:28.599

receive other ordinances

00:32:28.679 --> 00:32:30.200

and make other promises to God.

00:32:30.820 --> 00:32:31.981

Then you have to live those

00:32:32.021 --> 00:32:33.542

commandments for your entire life.

00:32:34.182 --> 00:32:35.603

and quote unquote endure to

00:32:35.623 --> 00:32:38.184

the end before you can move

00:32:38.284 --> 00:32:39.605

on to the celestial kingdom

00:32:40.285 --> 00:32:42.626

and if i were good to go to

00:32:42.666 --> 00:32:43.766

the celestial kingdom but

00:32:43.806 --> 00:32:44.827

some of my family members

00:32:44.847 --> 00:32:46.067

didn't make it i could go

00:32:46.087 --> 00:32:47.028

down and visit them in the

00:32:47.068 --> 00:32:48.729

other kingdoms but they

00:32:48.789 --> 00:32:49.869

couldn't come up and visit

00:32:50.009 --> 00:32:51.270

me in the celestial kingdom

00:32:51.710 --> 00:32:52.831

now on this particular

00:32:52.911 --> 00:32:54.552

graphic there is one part

00:32:54.592 --> 00:32:56.593

that is left out and that

00:32:56.734 --> 00:32:58.315

is outer darkness it's

00:32:58.735 --> 00:32:59.836

something that they kind of

00:32:59.856 --> 00:33:00.977

have stopped talking about

00:33:01.077 --> 00:33:02.037

in the plan of salvation

00:33:02.077 --> 00:33:02.798

but it's definitely

00:33:02.838 --> 00:33:03.638

something that i learned

00:33:03.678 --> 00:33:05.440

about as a child it's that

00:33:05.500 --> 00:33:07.561

scary version of mormon

00:33:07.601 --> 00:33:10.243

hell basically where you're

00:33:10.283 --> 00:33:11.764

separated from god and from

00:33:11.784 --> 00:33:13.065

your loved ones because at

00:33:13.265 --> 00:33:14.926

one point you knew the

00:33:14.986 --> 00:33:17.008

truth but then you rejected

00:33:17.068 --> 00:33:18.429

it so in this larger

00:33:18.489 --> 00:33:19.950

graphic over here to the right

00:33:20.430 --> 00:33:24.094

You can see things are a little bit more,

00:33:24.234 --> 00:33:25.856

let's see if it'll go, if I visit here,

00:33:25.896 --> 00:33:26.076

yeah.

00:33:26.417 --> 00:33:30.782

Things are a little bit more analyzed,

00:33:30.822 --> 00:33:31.723

a little more clearly.

00:33:32.143 --> 00:33:34.165

We have premortal existence over here,

00:33:34.365 --> 00:33:35.286

and then there's a veil of

00:33:35.347 --> 00:33:36.468

forgetfulness that comes

00:33:36.548 --> 00:33:37.709

over us when we're born,

00:33:37.769 --> 00:33:39.311

when we come to the earth.

00:33:39.719 --> 00:33:41.139

So we don't remember being

00:33:41.159 --> 00:33:43.620

in our pre-mortal existence

00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:47.342

with our family and the war

00:33:47.382 --> 00:33:48.482

in heaven and all of that.

00:33:48.982 --> 00:33:49.922

So then when you die,

00:33:49.962 --> 00:33:51.083

the spirit goes to either

00:33:51.123 --> 00:33:52.443

paradise or spirit prison

00:33:52.943 --> 00:33:54.364

and your body goes to the grave.

00:33:54.584 --> 00:33:55.984

Then at the resurrection,

00:33:56.004 --> 00:33:57.585

your spirit and body are united.

00:33:58.125 --> 00:33:59.225

Then there's the final

00:33:59.285 --> 00:34:00.486

judgment where you can go

00:34:00.526 --> 00:34:01.806

to one of these three kingdoms.

00:34:02.246 --> 00:34:03.767

And it does mention outer

00:34:03.807 --> 00:34:04.607

darkness over here.

00:34:04.667 --> 00:34:06.648

Now, our outer darkness is for people

00:34:07.168 --> 00:34:09.571

who knew the truth or had

00:34:09.611 --> 00:34:11.072

the fullness of the truth

00:34:11.633 --> 00:34:13.595

and then rejected it so

00:34:13.835 --> 00:34:15.597

anybody who leaves the

00:34:15.637 --> 00:34:16.798

church of jesus christ of

00:34:16.838 --> 00:34:18.400

latter-day saints is going

00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:19.801

to outer darkness because

00:34:20.682 --> 00:34:21.864

it said that we knew the

00:34:21.924 --> 00:34:22.985

truth we accepted it we

00:34:23.025 --> 00:34:23.986

made these promises and

00:34:24.026 --> 00:34:25.607

covenants and then at some

00:34:25.647 --> 00:34:26.649

point in our lives we

00:34:26.849 --> 00:34:28.050

rejected it so we don't get

00:34:28.070 --> 00:34:29.532

to go to any of the kingdoms

00:34:30.032 --> 00:34:30.973

But we get to go to our

00:34:31.013 --> 00:34:32.114

darkness where we'll be

00:34:32.154 --> 00:34:33.296

separated from God and from

00:34:33.336 --> 00:34:34.797

our families and where we

00:34:34.917 --> 00:34:35.919

basically get to hang out

00:34:35.959 --> 00:34:37.420

with Satan for the rest of eternity.

00:34:37.721 --> 00:34:38.622

So that's pretty cool.

00:34:39.943 --> 00:34:41.265

Not something that's usually

00:34:41.305 --> 00:34:43.147

mentioned in the missionary lessons.

00:34:44.753 --> 00:34:45.935

unless you just get a

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missionary who is

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interested in talking about

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those kind of things,

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or if you have an

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investigator who asks about it.

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So back to the super long

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lesson that you're going through,

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the first time the

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missionaries are coming over,

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at least they did this back in the 80s.

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So the plan of salvation

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gets wrapped up and then we

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