Episode Summary – THE LESSONS THAT LOCKED IN SYNDROM (STROKE) AND A CANCER DIAGNOSIS TEACH YOU. In Episode 76 of the Shining Brightly Podcast Show (links in the comments) titled, “THE GRATEFUL GODDESS AND A STROKE OF LUCK” I am joined by the GRATEFUL GODDESS herself – Karen Pulver. We talked about her wanting to become a teacher and then life got interrupted first by a non-Hodgkin B cell Lymphoma diagnosis then lightning struck as she suffered a mid-brain stroke. Her perseverance and resilience are inspiring as she continues to work on her speech, memory and balance every day. Always a teacher, she has turned to coaching to help others get “unstuck” by setting boundaries, being kind to oneself and others. Come listen, download, share and review this beautiful show. KEEP SHINING BRIGHTLY ALWAYS!
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Website - http://www.gratefulgoddeesses.com
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/GratefulGoddesses1
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/karen-pulver-78b48610/
Instagram - @gratefulgoddesses
Instagram - @thegspot24
Coaching email contact - karenpulver@yahoo.com
About the guest – Karen Pulver is a multifaceted individual with a remarkable journey. She is a podcaster, model, actress, mother, teacher, wife, cancer and stroke survivor. Karen's passion for empowering women led her to create a women's group in Chicago called Grateful Goddesses. Within this group, women gathered in various venues to listen to inspiring speakers and engage in activities curated by Karen to enhance their lives. In 2009, Karen established Grateful Goddesses, and in 2011, she faced a challenging diagnosis of cancer. Despite this setback, Karen drew strength from the gatherings and utilized the skills she acquired to navigate her rehabilitation journey both physically and mentally. Subsequently, Karen dedicated herself to teaching young children, witnessing the joy in their eyes as they learned to read and write, fostering their confidence and pride. In 2019, Karen revitalized Grateful Goddesses amidst the COVID-19 pandemic by launching a podcast of the same name. This virtual platform allowed her to connect with individuals worldwide, expanding her knowledge of life's physical, mental, and spiritual aspects. Recognizing the value of personal interactions, Karen initiated a weekly live show on the Pulver network, engaging with her audience and incorporating their feedback into her podcast episodes. Inspired by her experiences, Karen pursued coaching at the Adler School of Psychology. In 2023, she faced another health challenge with a stroke, drawing upon the tools from the goddess toolbox for her rehabilitation. Karen's resilience and positivity SHINE through as she continues to interview and coach individuals, particularly those navigating health challenges. She believes in moving forward while allowing herself grace to heal. Karen's dedication to helping others discover their potential, from children to adults, is guided by the motto, "You always had the power, my dear, you just had to realize it." As Karen embraces her role as a beacon of positivity and empowerment, she embodies the spirit of growth and transformation.
About the Host:
Howard Brown is a best-selling author, award-winning international speaker, Silicon Valley entrepreneur, interfaith peacemaker, and a two-time stage IV cancer survivor. He is also a sought-after speaker and consultant for corporate businesses, nonprofits, congregations, and community groups. Howard has co-founded two social networks that were the first to connect religious communities around the world. He is a nationally known patient advocate and “cancer whisperer” to many families. Howard, his wife Lisa, and daughter Emily currently reside in Michigan, and his happy place is on the basketball court.
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Hello, it's Howard Brown. It's the Shining Brightly
Show. Oh my goodness, I have a very dear friend, a very special
guest, Karen Pulver, how are you and welcome.
Thank you so much, Howard. So glad to be here.
So nice. It's so nice to see you. You've got such
an incredible story that I want to share with the audience
tonight. And, you know, you've, you're really an incredible
person. And you're beautiful inside and out. I want everyone
to know that right now, as we become friends, and you've done
coaching for me. So I just say I want to say I really appreciate
you, and thank you for coming on. All right, so let me tell
you a little bit about Karen. She is the multi faceted
individual. And you have had a remarkable journey. You are a
podcaster a model actress, a mother and a teacher, were going
to ask about that little more detail about that. A cancer and
a stroke survivor. Karen's passion for empowering women led
her to found a women's group in Chicago called the grateful
goddesses. Within this group, women gathered in various venues
to listen to inspiring speakers, and engage in activities curated
by Karen, to enhance their lives, what a beautiful mission.
So in 2009, you established the grateful goddesses, and then you
actually started to share your challenge of being diagnosed
with cancer, we're going to talk about that, and I'll let you
share a little bit more about that. But you grew strength from
this group yourself, even though you were actually basically
leading it as well. In 2019, as the pandemic hit, you launched
the podcast of the same name as a virtual platform, because we
weren't gathering, but you were bringing together people all
over the world. And you are basically expanding, you know,
the the physical aspects, the mental aspects and the spiritual
aspects of dealing with the pandemic, dealing with, you
know, being a woman and, and also a mom and in the pandemic.
And these personal interactions on part of your weekly show,
allowed you to really learn from them, and you all became, you
know, a tight knit group. And next phase of your life, you
actually turned all this wonderful knowledge to be a
coach, and you actually at the Adler School of Psychology, and
then all of a sudden, you were struck down again, with a
stroke. And we're gonna, we got to talk about that, because this
is an incredible story. But you gotta have all this in your
goddess toolbox and you rehabilitate yourself, your
resilience, your positivity do shine through. And that's why
you're shining brightly with me tonight, and you've navigated
these health challenges. And you are moving forward, and you're
helping others. And at the end of the day, that's really what
it's all about. And so you have a motto here, you always had the
power, my dear, you just have to realise it. That's beautiful.
And you're a beacon of positivity, empowerment, and you
embody the spirit of growth and transformation. So that's a
beautiful introduction. But tell me something that we may not
know about you. Let's share a little secret about Karen. What
do you got for me?
Well, I can tap dance.
Oh, I did not know that.
I know you didn't. And I love to dance. And I took
tap dancing when I was young. And when the pandemic hit, I
ordered these tap dance shoes. Because you know, we couldn't go
anywhere. So my basement and I put music on and I just tap away
and it's really fun.
And it's therapeutic to
it's so therapeutic.
Oh my god. I did. That's a great surprise. You're
tapping? Oh, that's awesome?
Yes.
Well, take me through a little bit as far as
maybe roll back a little bit, you know, to either your
upbringing or actually you became a teacher. And that's
like the noblest profession there is. Tell me about how you
became a teacher.
Well, I was not a good student. I didn't learn to
read till I was in third grade. And I was a teacher looking back
at my childhood, I believe I must have had a learning
challenge because I could not seem to pick it up. I had a lot
of trouble and my mom took me to a tutor. Finally in third grade,
and I connected with her and she just really encouraged me a lot
of it was confidence, I think. And I finally learned to read so
as I got older, I realised that I wanted to help kids, you know
who would be struggling and to overcome whatever it was that
they were having challenges in school, and that's one of the
main reasons why I became a teacher. I loved working with
kids. I love being with kids. I love seeing their eyes light up
when they learn something, because kids are not gone
through all the social stuff that adults have. So like, you
know, they love to play and I love to play. As you can see, I
love to tap dance. So I just have fun being a teacher. And I
also know that I'm really helping these children.
Yeah. And I mean, here's the thing, you're like a
renaissance woman because you're a model and an actress. And, you
know, you've done quite quite a lot, and you've been through a
lot. So the grateful goddesses Okay, how did you come up with
that? And it's, it's really cool. And I have to tell you,
I'm gonna confess I, you know, as you invited me to your show,
and present my cancer journey with another young woman's
cancer journey, it was a great honour to be on your show. I am
so grateful for that. And thank you, but tell me how it all
began and why you did it.
Well, I was a teacher and a mom of three kids.
Ah, well was my kids were getting older. I was working
part time as a teacher. But there was something missing. I
wasn't sure what it was. I knew actually, that I wanted to model
when I was younger, be a model and an actress. So I first did
that I first took some acting classes, I had some headshots
done. And that was great. And that was fun. And that's today,
I do a little bit of that. But I still felt something. I couldn't
quite pinpoint what it was. So one day, I dropped my kids off
at school, and I just decided to go for a walk. And I walked in
walked into city, and I just stumbled upon a dance studio.
And I went in and I signed up for a cardio strip tease. And I
know it sounds like crazy, like, are you going to strip No, it
wasn't stripping, it was dancing and moving around. She just
called the cardio striptease to get women's attention. But it
was such a freeing fun activity that I decided that even though
I was a dancer, I never danced like that. So I felt so elated
stepping out of my box. And that was, you know, a small box
because I was a dancer. So I thought, How great would it be
if I could bring this to people and really encourage them to try
something new and to learn new things. So that's how the
gatherings formed. The Grateful goddess name was just when I was
in the shower once and I was just feeling so grateful. And I
don't know, maybe I was using a goddess razor. I don't know.
It's called plus, no, it was I feel really like, like, we all
are goddesses, like we're all just to have so much in us that
needs to come through. And that's how that happens. So
these were gatherings in the city of Chicago with different
venues. And it was a really great experience. And we learned
a lot of things from different guests. And then as I mentioned
to us, I then had cancer. So that halted things a little bit.
I know it and so any any shows that stand out or
any any lessons from interviewing so many people and
meeting and gathering to
Yeah, first of all, just just the fun topics.
You know, we we covered fashion, I had some fun with finance,
finances, but teaching us you know how to handle finances. But
that was good, because you feel really empowered that you can do
these things, and make up and all of those kinds of things.
But I also interviewed women and men. This was my first interview
was this gentleman Jason rebel and he wrote this book.
Eternity. He's a vegan chef. So I learned how to eat. I was for
two years. I tried it. I liked it. But I still, you know,
switch back. I learned from I just have a few books of people,
Ellen Schwartz. B actually talks about lessons in life. And just
like, we can't change the challenges we face, but we can
change how we deal with them, for example, right? So a lot of
those kinds of lessons came through. This was one of my
favourite interviews. It's Dr. Edith Eger, she's a Holocaust
survivor and a psychologist and she wrote the choice. And she
talks about, you know, she survived Auschwitz every day,
she'd get up and make the choice of how she was going to live her
her day. And she had hope, and having hope is something that
has gotten me through my challenges. That's probably the
biggest lesson that I've learned is from her. But you and I share
that because the last chapter of my book, which you know, is
called sharing hope, so, we that you that's the fuel that gets us
through for sure. So now, you're diagnosed with cancer. Do you
want to share some details? Well, as a matter of fact,
today, April 1 Is my cancer Versary you didn't know for
listening a cancer Versary is the year wealth every cancer
survivor does different but this was the day that I got the phone
call. My whole world stopped. I actually felt like I was in the
best shape of my life. And everything seemed to be running
really smoothly with the kids and everything. And I had a bump
on my back and I didn't know what it was. And it was it. She
kind of felt like a mosquito bite. My husband, he's like, get
it looked at. And I had three doctors three, tell me it was
nothing. Don't worry about it
grew and it got blacker and harder and weird. So I said, I
just want to get it out. So I went to a surgeon who then said,
Well, I can take it out. But you know, you're gonna have a really
big scar. I'm like, I don't care. Just get it out. So she
took it out. And then a week later, they had biopsy biopsy,
because that's what they do. Yeah, just precaution. And I got
the phone call that I needed to come in. And then I was
diagnosed with B cell non Hodgkins lymphoma, and I needed
radiation. And that was my cancer that
you did not have chemotherapy. You just did it by
radiation.
Yes, I actually had what a lot of people said
was the good cancer to have I mean, cancers, cancer, I I
personally don't think that any cancer is a good one to have.
However, it was slow growing, I caught it. Stage one. Had I
ignored my gut instinct to get it removed, it would have
probably spread and got to a you know, so I people listening.
Just take precautions if you have anything that you're not
sure about. And even if doctors right three tell me it was
nothing. But if you feel it, go check it out.
Oh, 100%. Now I had T cell lymphoma, which was
blood cancer of the lymphatic system. But I was stage four,
and I had this big red and purple golf ball come out of my
cheekbone. And that was my towel. And if it didn't come
out, I wouldn't be here because I wouldn't have known because I
actually felt pretty good. And I was in the best shape my life
when I was 23. Then I also I agree with you 100%. So I have
to tell you during my you know, my motivational speeches that I
do I stop in the middle, and I tell everyone, if you're not
your best you, okay, what are you doing, and during the
pandemic, people didn't go to their doctor's appointments, so
they didn't get their mammography, they didn't go to
their lady doctor, they didn't get men for prostate or all of
us for colonoscopy, or even go to the dentist you're getting
screened, gives you a better chance, okay, if anything bad
happens, and I also agree with you, there is no good cancer,
bad cancer, it's pretty all bad. For the most part, it's tough
when you get those, you know that that phone call. And then
lastly, I we're just coming off of colorectal cancer awareness.
And all the cancers have colours, long is white and
breast cancer is pink, colorectal cancer, Evans, blue,
prostate is teal, there's all colours in the wheel. And I wear
blue almost every day if not, or I have a little blue pin, lapel
pin. And it's also for the people in treatment. Because I
will tell you this radiation, surgery, chemotherapy, the side
effects clinical trials, all that is no fun when you're in
treatment, no matter if it's just, you know, something that
is being treated. That's fairly small, a large all matters. And
lastly is that I wear blue to commemorate those that lost
their cancer battle that their cancer burden came to great and
get called to heaven. So I agree with you so much on that. And
what did you learn from that is that one you learn to get
checked and follow your gut. That was that's the key.
I wanted the big a big lesson. But I also learned,
you know, at first, I thought, Oh, I'm going to change
everything. I'm going to change my diet. I'm going to I mean, I
exercise every day. But I'm going to exercise twice a day,
I'm going to do this. I mean, I just kept thinking about how
what can I do now. But it wasn't really about that. That was kind
of like New Year's resolution that lasts a month and then
fades away. I mean, I like to have a glass of wine. I like
chocolate. I like you know. But what I did do that I found was a
big change was I've changed my mental state a lot. I started to
set boundaries with people that I hadn't done before. I mean,
doesn't mean but I I said no to things. I wouldn't take on as
much as I did before because I think that stress has a very big
part in it. And it's not that I was stressed at the time. But I
was thinking what was it? What was it? You know? And I thought,
well, maybe I just need to take care of my mental state more. So
i i When I was tired, I would go take a nap. You know, you
sometimes you fight those things because you're like, oh, no, I
gotta be up the whole day. Well, no, I need to take a nap. I need
to take care of myself. I need to maybe not be friends with
that person because they're really draining. I'm going to do
that. So all of those kinds of things from the cancer I learned
because It's not that they told me you're going to die from
this. But what I was told by my oncologist is that I'm on watch
and wait. And I'm still on it. So I go every year, and that my
life might be shortened. Well, hearing that kind of sucks. But
same time, it's a bit of a wake up call. Because even though I
have the, the good cancer, it's kind of like a scar and you
don't want to like open up the wound, right? So you got to take
care of yourself. So I learned how to physically and mentally
take care of myself.
I love that discipline. It's really good.
And also the way that you were able to weed out the negativity
or people that were draining to you. That is hard to do. I
actually did that as well, the second time around, and it is
hard to do, but it is important to do in your time of need. It
really is. So all right, you got your life back, you're back on
track. You're healthy for a period of time. And then
lightning struck again, tell told me about this scary episode
of a stroke.
14 years went by and you know,
you're raising your kids, you're doing your the
kids, life is good.
When you have your five year cancer bursary, you're
like, Oh, yes. And then when you have your 10 Oh, yes. Well, last
year, February, again, a date. You know, April 1 Is the cancer
one and February 12 Is the stroke one, but I was in New
Orleans with my husband visiting my daughter and we were out to
lunch. And I That morning, I just was tired. And I just was
almost like a, like hungover, but I hadn't had I had two
drinks the night before. I wasn't hungover. But that really
lethargic feeling. We went to lunch and I wasn't hungry. And
next thing I knew, I'm talking to my husband and my head just
flopped down on the table. And I was what's called locked in. I
didn't know what at the time, I didn't know what was happening.
I thought maybe I fainted. But I was still totally alert and
awake. So that's called locked in. So basically, I was grunting
and crying, but I couldn't speak. I could hear I could see.
But I, I couldn't move. And I couldn't communicate it. I
didn't know what was happening. So they took me to the hospital.
And subsequently, when they did the scan, they saw that I had a
midbrain bilateral stroke. So I had a clot that had split into
and went in, you know, the two sections of my brain. And I was
paralysed like that for a couple hours until it cleared, it did
clear on its own. And usually they they administer something
called a TPA, to help shrink the clots and that's what they were
going to do. But in the interim of me waiting for them to get
that ready. I my body managed to clear them. And I still don't
quite understand that. But the neurologist said to me that
because I was in good physical health before you know I'm not
diabetic, I don't smoke, moderate drinker exercise, eat
well, that my body was like, almost like when you have a
virus in your body attacks it right. So my body was able to do
it. And I felt However, I did suffer. Because I had a brain
injury. I do have some challenges. As a result of that.
I mean, the cancer you don't you know, I have a scar on my back
from the radiation and you know, you're tired, but then you get
better, right? Oh, you feel better. But the stroke
definitely set me back harder than cancer.
So I hadn't heard of locked in syndrome until we
had talked about it. And I mean, I can't even imagine you mean is
like being paralysed. To an extent, right. You couldn't
talk? You really move, right.
I couldn't move. Yeah, I couldn't move. And, and
I heard everything going on around me. And I wanted to
scream like in my head. There was like a little girl, Karen or
a little woman, Karen, who was talking, you know, the movie,
Inside Out with the characters in the brain. That's what it
felt like. It felt like there was a whole mission control in
my brain that was totally working and going, Oh, she's
having us things are happening hurry hurrry. But my body was
not reacting. And then it turned on it was like when you shut off
a computer,
reboot,
reboots, that's what happens.
You rebooted and then the body took otherwise
they're gonna have to, you know, get in there and then also,
there's either in a stroke it's it's blood loss to the to the
brain, correct? Yes, yes.
Scary. That is absolutely scary. You It's just incredible. So I
mean, how did that going forward? I mean, again, I have
to tell you, I don't use it out of convenience. But I have a
form of PTSD. It's called chemo brain, or brain fog. And really
what it turns out is I can't remember names anymore. And I
was so good at names. But I do have trouble. So it that's not
the end of the world. But there's people that do complain
of that. I mean, I know that, you know, Vietnam veterans are
and are just regular people have seen battle habit, but a lot of
cancer patients also do have that as well. And do you have
any lasting effects? From this
Stroke or cancer?
Stroke?
Oh, yeah, definitely. Um, at first, my
balance was off. And I fell quite a bit. I was in the
hospital for a couple days. And then when they, they released
me, they, they didn't necessarily give me rehab, they
didn't think I needed rehab. Right away anyway. But so I
would walk and fall, and it wasn't good. So I had to work on
my balance. And there was a pool, at my daughter's building
where we were staying. So I started like going in the pool
and just walking, so if you fall, you fall in the pool. So
my physical has definitely gotten better every now and then
when I practice yoga, because I practice a lot. My right side is
dominant. But my right side is, is more is less now. But it's
the thing is how it's very minute. Like, it's such a small
difference physically, mentally to I forget things all the time.
But now it's a deeper, like a deeper forgetting. Like,
there'll be a word in my head. And it's right there before it
would be like, not there, and you just forget it. But now like
it's like, there. And it's like stuck. And I can't always say
it. So a lot of times I'll pause and I'll be like, okay, you
know, like, you know, what's a call, you know, that thing.
And, and trust me, I was really worried that it would affect my
teaching, my coaching. My friends, being with my husband,
I mean, my kids were getting frustrated.
But you know, I have to remind them I did, I have had speech
and memory processing therapy. And I've been told that, you
know, I have to advocate for myself, and I'm also in a stroke
support group. So I met with individuals who look like me,
like worse, we're in our mid 50s. You know, I'm 57. Like,
there's a few of us that are that age. And if you look at us,
you think you're totally fine. And a lot of people say that to
me, Oh, you look great. You're fine. I'm like,
But I try every day, I learned something new, I try something
new, and some things become my habits. And some things. You
know, I just keep practising. I just keep going.
Yeah, invisible disabilities are real. And it's
hard for people to recognise that you've persevered through
so much. And because I've been one of your coaching clients, we
won't reveal what goes on between you and I because
that's, you know, privilege, of course, but you're an amazing
teacher. And so tell us about your coaching practice and how
you're helping people.
I started when I was doing my live, grateful
goddess show. So that's actually where I met you. So once a week
wanting to incorporate, you know, I had the podcast over
COVID. But I missed the interaction part with people and
the teaching component. So I curated different activities. I
had different speakers, and I had a weekly show live show. And
I Okay, so now I'm having one of those. ....of course, it's hot.
Well, everyone, and this is what happens. I'm in mid thought, and
what did you ask me? What was
I asked you about your coaching practice. And
here's your keyword. Go ahead. There's your launch.
So I had realised after the show, that people
would stay on the Zoom, you know, by talking to one person
and ever a lot of people would stay on. And they start talking
to me and I'd start talking to them. And I realised, wow, I'm
teaching, I'm teaching but I'm teaching adults now. And this is
kind of fun. And this is Oh, look at and I've had certain
individuals reached out to me and say thank you. You know, one
person said that they had been inside and they hadn't gone
outside. Of course, this was coat during COVID But she was
very nervous to step outside. And I encouraged her to just go
out and she went out. And that just felt really good that I
could help you know these individuals. So I decided to
become a coach and I studied psychology, but I didn't. I
didn't want to do therapy. I wanted to help coaching is a
more forward thinking type of experience. So you're helping
people to get unstuck. And with coaching, the the problems that
people have, aren't always what they want to work on. There's
something deeper in there. It's not just like, Oh, what am I
gonna do for my work? It's like, How can I be more confident? You
know what I mean? So I love digging deeper into what it is,
and then helping people.
So I started the programme, and I was way on my way, getting all
my coaching hours, and then boom, had the stroke. And I
couldn't continue, I could barely string a sentence
together. So I was I was depressed. I mean, I certainly
had some downtime. And I learned to Howard that you have to allow
yourself those downtimes. And don't beat yourself up. I was I
was like, I'm never gonna do this. And it's like, no, no, I'm
not don't maybe, but I'm going to rest. I'm going to work on
one thing at a time. You know, little by little, just like
riding a bike, just like trying a new skill. It'll be the best
it'll be. And I continue tutoring with children. I
continue to continue to coaching. And I haven't had
anyone complain.
Well, I want to tell you that the thing that I
think that I only reveal a small teaser is that you took me
through my life wheel and we prioritised? That's what I
really appreciated that we got to the, you know, we got to
really what's important to me by prioritising on the life wheel,
and I thank you for that. And also, thank you for sharing
about what you do when you know you're feeling down scared or
anxious as well, because we're human. But you know, your
resilience is a muscle. Okay. And I would say that I built
Humpty Dumpty, you know, version three, oh, now I'm putting them
back together again. But we all get knocked down in life and in
business. And also in relationships, that's the most
complex one. And we have to be able to as my books as use our
light to get back up. And once we're back up, we go help
others. And this is what you've done. You're basically, you
know, model, you know, case study for my book is that you've
walked with darkness, you've learned from it, you've gotten
yourself back, and now you're helping others. And it's just
really, it really is so beautiful. And I'm so those of
you will, we'll give you in the show notes and on socials on how
to get in touch with you for your coaching because I think
it's really important. And you are so compassionate, and you
are such a good listener. So that that is what really makes a
good coach. Alright, so this is the time of the show, I'm gonna
have you put sunglasses on, if you don't mind, we're going to
put on our shades because this is the shining brightly
spotlight. And of course, you're a model. So you have the best
quote, look and shades. And I wanted to tell people how to get
in touch with you, how they should to get in touch you for
your coaching and all that now I'll include all your links on
social links as well. And then wait. And then lastly, I know
you have prepared an inspirational quote. So then
share that and then kick the show back to me. All right, I
will kick it back to you. Yes,
first, you can reach me in many ways you can go
on my website, and it's great for WWW dot grateful
goddesses.com goddesses and you'll have it right written
out. So people you know make mistakes of goddesses.com and
also email me personally Karen Pulver pul ve r@yahoo.com. And
my quote
I read before that you have a giveaway
right away your giveaway giveaway is I'm going
to give away a discovery session with me it's valued at $125 and
we can do this by zoom and we can just get on top with each
other and see something that you want to work through and I can
help guide you there and then if you'd like to continue with me
as long as you did, and we can continue
I love it alright, let's let's shine share some
inspiration with what you got.
Okay, it's hard to see out of these glasses go take the
glasses off we shine
if you can,
you've always had the power my dear. You just have
to learn it for yourself. So this is a bag my sister in law
got me but this is I live by and my past and grateful goddesses
is all about this and my life really. Because in the Wizard of
Oz, Dorothy, all the characters wanted all of these things
right? They wanted intelligence heart.
Courage, courage, a brain, a brain and they kept thinking the
wizard is going to give it to me. Oh, Dorothy is going to go
home because the wizard is going to get and we all think that in
our lives, right? Yeah. If only we had this then we get this if
only this and who's going to we're going to strive towards
someone else telling us
We all had it at the end. They had it in themselves, right?
Because the wizard says, well, actually, you are smart. And
actually, you are brave. And actually, Dorothy, you just have
to click your heels and then you'll be home. So I feel that
we all have the power within us. And as a coach, as a teacher,
I'm going to help guide you to find that power.
It's great. It's using the Wizard of Oz. To say,
yes, you have it within you, and you can do it. It's beautiful.
It's really is. All right. Well, this has been a really important
show. And it's, I'm just so glad you came on and told your
stories, and are lifting up others. That's that's, that's,
it's such a beautiful thing. So well, you can, you know, I want
to say I got a shout out a few folks that helped me along the
way. So my publisher front edge publishing, read the spirit.com,
which comes out every Monday, and I blog in that usually
almost every week, and then my finishing house for my podcast
is amplify you and they just make me look so good. And I want
to say thank you to them for making me look good. And then
how to get a hold of me is shining brightly.com And you can
find the book you can find the podcast and also the
motivational speaking. And then most importantly, my advocacy,
like my work in, in cancer, my work with entrepreneurship and
mentorship and leadership. And then lastly, my interfaith
relations work. And those are the things that really matter at
the end of the day. So let's all just try to shine brightly, a
little bit more for ourselves, go lift up others in our
communities in our neighbourhoods, and yes, the
world would be a better place. Karen Pulver it's been a
pleasure. Thank you. Thank you.