Episode Summary – "YOU CAN’T CHANGE YOUR LIFE – UNTIL YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND” in Episode 52 of the Shining Brightly Podcast show (links in the comments), titled, “LOSING MY MIND - FRONTOTEMPORAL DEMENTIA (FTD)” please meet my very special guest, Kris Bowring. He is a son, husband, and father. bass player, VP and business executive, motorcycle rider and SO MUCH MORE. He lived with ME and the MYSTERY of what was going on with his health. The secret he was told to hide. Finally. He was diagnosed after 18 long months and stuttering lead his doctors to finally figure it out, he has FTD. This quiet and hard to diagnose disease has severe symptoms of aphasia (loss of the ability to understand or express speech, caused by brain damage). Hollywood actor Bruce Willis (caregiver angel - wife Emma) was diagnosed with FTD after 3 long years. Hear Kris’s story for the first time on a podcast of how his life has been changed and he is living with FTD and what he has learned. Join me to learn about Kris’ courageous story (caregiver angel – wife Cassie). Please listen, download, review and share this incredible episode.
Mentioned Resources
Kris Bowring - LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristenbowring/
Association for Frontotemporal Degeneration
National Aphasia Association
National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke
https://www.ninds.nih.gov/health-information/disorders/frontotemporal-disorders
About the guest –
Kris Bowring, and I have FTD. Currently, I have a Logogenic Variant PPA. My brain damage is in the Frontal, Temporal, and Parietal Lobes of each with various damage. I will be very honest, authentic, and fair. I felt that the Global FTD Awareness Week was the perfect time to tell my short story. Me and the mystery. I was a Vice President of Innovation and Development, it was a decent job, but I wasn’t the me, I knew I should be. My wife knew something was wrong, at one point we thought it was Meniere's disease symptoms of Vertigo, tinnitus, and hearing loss. Still, I worked harder, and she watched while I began to be slightly paranoid. I left the company. Shortly after the job loss, I decided to have an outpatient surgery procedure since I had time. My time with the Doctor showed no illness or anything else. I was PERFECT. She asked, “If there were any other questions,” and my response was “I’ve heard about long-term COVID-causing stuttering, I’ve never stuttered.” She must have noticed as well, and she scheduled a neurologist immediately. Seemed every test required blood work. Our doctor was very aware when I told her I was stuttering, I have never stuttered in my life, but it is a big symptom. We met with the Surgeon, several tests, and two MRI reviews. Then I was sent to a Neuropsychological Therapist and took five hours of crazy testing brain testing and puzzles. My PET Scan was on Valentine's Day 2023 and the results were in, I have Frontal, Temporal, and Parietal damage. All this work on and around me, the doctors, nurses, PA’s all did great work. The teams knew what to do. It took only 10 months to have the complete diagnosis. This is not what so many don’t experience, 3.6 years is way too long. We simply need to get the right people in place to understand, more people in the system need to know more. Terminal? Yes, it is. How long do I have, the answer is we don't know. During that same period, we needed to manage the insurance, financial resources, and the government for disability services and state services. There is a cost to all the needed Services. There is tremendous pressure, time, and anxiety. The anguish FTD creates, in all the mess, all the anxiety, all the anxious worry at 3:57 AM. FTD won’t reveal what will happen, what are the likely deficits in functions coming, how much time, and the anger. This is where I privately cry, it will break any man or woman. This is the end of you, this is the end of your ego, and you crash into your broken default behavior. It’s just you. Alone and enormous.
The Quiet did Come. We had a terrible 2022 year, but then two angels came to my battle-worn ego. They rescued me and turned me into a Yes-Man. Are we happy, in general, maybe, we have our moments, and those moments are creating more. I do have Miracles, and I walk beside them every day, and I cannot believe the caliber of my miracles, and friendship. Do I have a worthy purpose? Yes, and working, FTD is a known unknown, and many doctors, neurologists, and neural surgeons need to get known. Corporations need to know the people who directly interface with the Patient.
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Howard Brown is a best-selling author, award-winning international speaker, Silicon Valley entrepreneur, interfaith peacemaker, and a two-time stage IV cancer survivor. He is also a sought-after speaker and consultant for corporate businesses, nonprofits, congregations, and community groups. Howard has co-founded two social networks that were the first to connect religious communities around the world. He is a nationally known patient advocate and “cancer whisperer” to many families. Howard, his wife Lisa, and daughter Emily currently reside in Michigan, and his happy place is on the basketball court.
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Hello, it's Howard Brown. It's the shining brightly
Howard Brown:show. Oh my goodness. We're hitting the fall. It's shining.
Howard Brown:The leaves are dropping some places. I am so happy to have
Howard Brown:you here your Maestro with the mic. I've got an incredible
Howard Brown:person. Guest. Oh my goodness. Shout out to John Rapoport and
Howard Brown:introduce us. Kris Bowring. Welcome to the shining, brightly
Howard Brown:podcast show. How are you?
Kris Bowring:I'm good. I'm good.
Howard Brown:I'm so happy to have you. We were introduced in
Howard Brown:the mid summer. And Kris is now back to share a really important
Howard Brown:message and story and one of inspiration. One of a lot of a
Howard Brown:lot of stuff he's been through. Okay, and, and some hope so,
Howard Brown:Kris, it'll take me back and introduce, you know, before
Howard Brown:again, this, this all happened. And I'm not saying it for a
Howard Brown:reason. It's not a mystery. We're going to talk a lot about
Howard Brown:what happened to Kris. But take me back to Kris before what
Howard Brown:happened to you and tell me about that Kris.
Kris Bowring:Kris before was a vice president of innovation and
Kris Bowring:development for big corporations. And I loved being
Kris Bowring:in corporate America. And I loved all the things that you
Kris Bowring:get when you're doing well in corporate America. But I came
Kris Bowring:into I went to the doctor for some some I actually
Howard Brown:talked about you. You're a husband, you're a dad.
Kris Bowring:Yeah, well, okay. Well, let me it goes better than
Kris Bowring:that. So I'm, I'm a father of three wonderful, very smart
Kris Bowring:kids. Sophie, Luca, and Sadie, my wife is she's she's been
Kris Bowring:watching me and in babysitting me. And she and she always is my
Kris Bowring:sounding board for everything that I was doing. And it's a
Kris Bowring:great relationship. Really look fun. We love the desert and land
Kris Bowring:and everything like that. I also am a bass player. And I played
Kris Bowring:live and for the record companies and stuff like that,
Kris Bowring:and those things, and I was a former triathlete. So I was
Kris Bowring:doing triathlon, triathlons. And I have 42 races that was in and,
Kris Bowring:and I kept trying to keep my, my, my, my shape. But, but it
Kris Bowring:were, it was really good. We were in our, our time to have
Kris Bowring:the kids and be with them. And then and then take them with us.
Kris Bowring:And, and, and because they're old enough, like so they can go
Kris Bowring:do their things and go on under. But then I came out of that
Kris Bowring:doctor's office and I had a real bad piece of news.
Howard Brown:you got the awakening. So now transitioning
Howard Brown:to you and your mystery me and my mystery, as you call it.
Kris Bowring:Me in the mystery. Well, you go when you when you
Kris Bowring:are when you have FTD and we'll talk about how and what and what
Kris Bowring:it does. It's a secret. People will telling me, Don't tell your
Kris Bowring:employer that you have this. And that was odd to me. Because when
Kris Bowring:you are hiding something you are losing your mind. Because you
Kris Bowring:think that somebody's going to find about find it about you
Kris Bowring:that you have this brain disorder, and you're the
Kris Bowring:Villious president, maybe I can knock him off or something like
Kris Bowring:that. But I didn't like living with this illness. And the more
Kris Bowring:and more I was working with it, the more and more I was talking
Kris Bowring:to people, the more and more that I studied about what is
Kris Bowring:going to happen. I couldn't I couldn't bear. And so last week,
Kris Bowring:I said I'm out. I'm all out. This is what's happening to me.
Kris Bowring:And this is what's going on. So,
Howard Brown:so pronounced pronounced. It's frontal.
Howard Brown:Temporal degeneration, correct.
Kris Bowring:Yeah. Right. So temporal dementia. Yeah.
Howard Brown:And so, right, you came out it was it was basically
Howard Brown:the frontal temporal degeneration and brain damage
Howard Brown:month and you came out and told your story in a couple of
Howard Brown:different ways. And you've been through the wringer. Man, and
Howard Brown:you are doing great. So I get it, and we are on the same.
Howard Brown:We're aligned there. So take us through, because you didn't
Howard Brown:really know what was happening to you. But you went into a
Howard Brown:doctor's appointment and you were you were stuttering, right?
Kris Bowring:Yes. So that's one of the big ones in in the
Kris Bowring:flavours of symptoms. And I had no idea. And it was the, the
Kris Bowring:grind that I had, you'd like Kris, you need to go here, you
Kris Bowring:need to go here, you need to go to here, you need to do this,
Kris Bowring:you need to do all this. Here, we got to go put you in, in the
Kris Bowring:the puzzles they gave me they were they were actually tests
Kris Bowring:that I was taking to see how much of my brain has been
Kris Bowring:affected. And, and in one after the other and they were
Kris Bowring:required. And then all of a sudden they're saying, Hey, you
Kris Bowring:may be can't drive your car anymore. And I'm like, How do I
Kris Bowring:get the test to tell me that. So I still can't do it. But there's
Kris Bowring:limits on it. There are I cannot drive to this day with my kids
Kris Bowring:in the car. And so I have to take, I get the car all the time
Kris Bowring:has to be empty. Because there there there could be something
Kris Bowring:that would go haywire and have an accident and stuff like that.
Kris Bowring:So. So those were done. But now the mystery of it is it's gone.
Kris Bowring:I know what it is. I know where I'm going. I know how much I do.
Kris Bowring:I do not know how much time I have, because nobody does. And
Kris Bowring:they don't know when it came in as well. So this could have this
Kris Bowring:could have been four years old. But but now I feel like I'm
Kris Bowring:settled. And the mystery is, is now because of you right now.
Kris Bowring:You're my guy. For the first first time. I've never done a
Kris Bowring:podcast.
Howard Brown:I know. But I'm glad I am because we're going to
Howard Brown:tell your story. And we're going to tell how through it all.
Howard Brown:You're shining brightly. So there is you have a famous
Howard Brown:brother of former Hollywood Bruce Willis that has an
Howard Brown:aphasia. And so he's bringing some more awareness to this
Howard Brown:because I have to tell you before I met you this summer,
Howard Brown:I'd had no idea about this degeneration and the brain
Howard Brown:damage and, and all that. So you know, we got a little bit of
Howard Brown:Hollywood here shining on it as well, because he's going through
Howard Brown:what you're going through.
Kris Bowring:He is and Emma is so on it. Like a little bit. I'm
Kris Bowring:trying to chase her around, because she is just always
Kris Bowring:there. And she's had some bad, bad news all along. Now he but
Kris Bowring:Bruce, the reason it is so bad for him right now is that it
Kris Bowring:took them three and a half years to give them a diagnosis. For
Kris Bowring:me, I got mine in 18 months. And they are and people who have
Kris Bowring:done that have said we How did you get all these things fast?
Kris Bowring:When on my letters came out? They were saying how did you do
Kris Bowring:that? Well, how do you do this? How do you get to, you know,
Kris Bowring:disability, and just there was there was 5000 people that were
Kris Bowring:emailing me and thanking me and stuff like that. But there's a
Kris Bowring:there's a lot of work to do in this vein of brain disorders.
Kris Bowring:Yeah.
Howard Brown:And yet so you So Emma is Bruce Willis, his wife
Howard Brown:and caregiver and your wife remind me of her name? Cassie,
Howard Brown:Cassie, they are angels on this earth because my wife Lisa, and
Howard Brown:for cancer one, my parents, Nancy and Marshall Brown, they
Howard Brown:are angels because they have to basically look after us. Because
Howard Brown:we have trouble looking after ourselves when we're going
Howard Brown:through the war and through this tornado, and all that sort of
Howard Brown:stuff. So I agree. It's something and so for you to be
Howard Brown:able to shed light to this and I will tell you there will be lots
Howard Brown:of links on the post and in the show notes. So for people to
Howard Brown:want to be able to learn and potentially even help out, you
Howard Brown:know, on this from the different organisations, the aftd.org and
Howard Brown:all that as well. So take me through you basically went from
Howard Brown:stuttering at your general doctors to a neurologist. Right.
Howard Brown:Right to it. Yeah. And what they were just basically doing every
Howard Brown:sort of test they could on your brain Right and giving you these
Howard Brown:puzzles as well and trying to figure out the extent of the
Howard Brown:disease.
Kris Bowring:Yeah, it was, it was quite a ride. But we finally
Kris Bowring:got to our pet scan. And the PET scan made it really, really real
Kris Bowring:for me, because I could see what's going on in the brain, in
Kris Bowring:my brain. And so, so it was it was weird. You know, but I'm
Kris Bowring:always kind of a, I'm optimistic of everything. And, and I like
Kris Bowring:hanging around with optimistic people. But I looked at that,
Kris Bowring:and I not only have it in frontal in, on my forehead, and
Kris Bowring:then the temporal, all of them, all four have damage, but I also
Kris Bowring:have parietal. And they say, Kris, you're one in a million.
Kris Bowring:The you you've got, you've got more damage than most will have.
Kris Bowring:And, and that's, that's when it, it really hit me and really hit
Kris Bowring:me that I was doing things very, very, very wrong. I was still
Kris Bowring:angry. Just so angry. And you know, when when we had to do
Kris Bowring:some things that it felt like I went, I have to sell my car. I
Kris Bowring:love that car. Oh, and I have to I got a motorcycle too. And I
Kris Bowring:love them your motorcycle, and it's gotta go. And then I was
Kris Bowring:like, Gee, I hope we can't I hope I don't have to sell any
Kris Bowring:basis. But the but I was everything that was kind of what
Kris Bowring:I would tell you, the manhood was stripped away. And, and I
Kris Bowring:had to get I had to get help to, to help me not curl up and, and
Kris Bowring:get in a corner and do nothing.
Howard Brown:Yeah, so I love the fact that you're, you're
Howard Brown:you're telling your story, you're coming out, listen, it is
Howard Brown:okay to be angry, it is okay to be depressed, it is okay to
Howard Brown:isolate for a short period of time, just to take it all in.
Howard Brown:Because 18 months to diagnosis. Bruceville is three years of
Howard Brown:diagnosis. That seems like an eternity to me. And I love the
Howard Brown:fact that you're sharing, and people are actually coming to
Howard Brown:you, one applauding that you're coming out and telling you
Howard Brown:because they have their stories too. But you're gonna you're
Howard Brown:helping so many now, your toys are getting taken away. That is
Howard Brown:part of your manhood your motor. I hope they don't want to take
Howard Brown:your guitar, your bass guitar away from you, I Oh, I hope that
Howard Brown:you can even hold that even if he can't play it very well.
Howard Brown:Yeah, man, that feeling. And so I hope you'll be able to
Howard Brown:preserve all that. And so you know, your kids now, you know,
Howard Brown:everybody knows, your wife knows. And, quite frankly, if
Howard Brown:you do Google the diagnosis, it gives you a your lifetime is
Howard Brown:being shortened for sure. And mine too, you know, with stage
Howard Brown:four cancer diagnosis, as well. And you got to make some
Howard Brown:decisions here now. And you know, your wife is basically got
Howard Brown:to watch you and and all that as well. And so this is it's tough
Howard Brown:mentally, to be able to adjust to being, you know, the man of
Howard Brown:the family and being also independent as well, some of
Howard Brown:your independence is taken away, as well. But I gotta tell you,
Howard Brown:man, you're doing great. Today. There's a lot going on here.
Howard Brown:You're talking, it's emotional, and all that sort of stuff. So
Howard Brown:tell me about you know, your mom said you're the patient patient.
Howard Brown:Because you waited so long here, go into that, because you've
Howard Brown:been through a lot.
Kris Bowring:Yeah, it's it is a lot. But it I think so you and
Kris Bowring:I, you know, there was something about my team that made it moved
Kris Bowring:fast, faster. And I was I was I thought that was hard as hard to
Kris Bowring:wait. But, you know, but you can I was slowing myself down to
Kris Bowring:retire because that's what my life was saying. You need to
Kris Bowring:retire and just go work out every morning and do all these
Kris Bowring:other things, which I do because that's part of the symptoms, to
Kris Bowring:err on the symptoms. Like go get a workout, read, play a gig
Kris Bowring:guitar, and no alcohol. And that was that was a I was so sad to
Kris Bowring:see Alcohol go. But now I've been sober since a the since
Kris Bowring:last May and everything like that. But the the, the two
Kris Bowring:breaking moments were me trying to me trying to talk to my kids
Kris Bowring:about this. And it was all tears. And then And then shortly
Kris Bowring:thereafter, to friends of mine from in Omaha where I go, I went
Kris Bowring:to number I was in Nebraska college. And these are my two
Kris Bowring:best friends, they came to me. And my wife had organised a
Kris Bowring:brunch, and they came walking in, and I didn't even think and
Kris Bowring:I looked at it, and they were both there. And they're twin
Kris Bowring:brothers. And they said, We're here to take you up to Omaha,
Kris Bowring:we're going to go to the All Star game they got. And they
Kris Bowring:had, they had two parties, for me to be with all of the people
Kris Bowring:that we had in, in Omaha, just like, fantastic. That helped me
Kris Bowring:become much, much more. Because there's nobody for me to talk.
Kris Bowring:You know, but the and that was all the talking, we did all this
Kris Bowring:stuff. It was great was wonderful. And now I say that
Kris Bowring:they're the ones that make made me a yes, man. So if you want me
Kris Bowring:to do something with you, I'm gonna do it, I'll do it. I'll go
Kris Bowring:and Cassie saying, Please don't jump out of a plane, or anything
Kris Bowring:like that.
Howard Brown:But here's the deal. So you went from a little
Howard Brown:bit of isolation, okay, and you hear about Bruce Willis. And now
Howard Brown:you're in contact together, and you found your people, you found
Howard Brown:your people that you actually know, and you're bringing
Howard Brown:awareness to this, you're doing what you can do. And also you're
Howard Brown:deciding to get help from others, you can talk to people.
Howard Brown:So I know that when I talk to other people in the midst of
Howard Brown:their cancer battle, you know, we have this understanding,
Howard Brown:okay, because we're going through it. And listen, everyone
Howard Brown:has to fight their own battle. But still, when you actually be
Howard Brown:it becomes a team sport, it actually does become a little
Howard Brown:bit easier. So you don't have to carry all that weight on you.
Howard Brown:And I have to tell you, that you're you're hanging in there,
Howard Brown:and all you can do every day is get out of bed and see what you
Howard Brown:can accomplish that day. And you you are doing that. And you have
Howard Brown:amazing, you know, angel on Earth, Cassie, and your kids,
Howard Brown:and you're doing it and so this is why we decided to do this
Howard Brown:podcast today. And we don't know what life's gonna throw at us.
Howard Brown:But you're doing whatever you can do in the in the time that
Howard Brown:we have. And and you're gonna motivate, educate and inspire.
Howard Brown:And that's what I love about you, Chris, is that you've
Howard Brown:decided to do that as well. And so take me through of what your
Howard Brown:plans are now, what do you what do you see, in the short term
Howard Brown:coming for you you want to accomplish?
Kris Bowring:Well, I'm going to try and storm as many people in
Kris Bowring:corporate America about what does this because above and
Kris Bowring:before anything, this this disease is attacking so many
Kris Bowring:people in so many different ways that it they called it the quiet
Kris Bowring:a long time to it but but you cannot do that the best thing
Kris Bowring:should be okay, I have it, I go to HR or something like that, or
Kris Bowring:you ease your way out of your job. So that you can have,
Kris Bowring:you're going to be asked to do that to get some of the things
Kris Bowring:that will be much more beneficial in in your life. And
Kris Bowring:then the other thing is, when if there if you keep in a mystery
Kris Bowring:and stuff like that, it makes you anxious all night, not at
Kris Bowring:357 in the morning, you're taught you're you're you're
Kris Bowring:walking, you're still walking the thing. And then what I found
Kris Bowring:was that it was alone and enormous. And it was so hard not
Kris Bowring:to get just angst and but but it did. Then the thing starts to
Kris Bowring:started getting better. And then the things are doing helped me
Kris Bowring:kind of get through the night and and be the dad, and you
Kris Bowring:know, my kids, if you'll see them sometime. And then they
Kris Bowring:will, they will, I will, I will make jokes about what I've got,
Kris Bowring:like, every time I can't remember something, I'm like,
Kris Bowring:Well, you know, I gotta I gotta FTD password on that, but just
Kris Bowring:trying to, to live the life. So the people also when it happens,
Kris Bowring:you, you don't want to let your your husband or your wife go
Kris Bowring:into the corner. They still are there. They they and in my case,
Kris Bowring:I still got the voice. I won't have it in. But I don't know
Kris Bowring:what how long I've got. So I'm trying to talk to people about
Kris Bowring:this. And just about that, this, this, this is life saving work.
Howard Brown:I have to tell you, Chris, so I love that
Howard Brown:you're the crusade that you're on to inform, make aware
Howard Brown:corporate corporations, their HR departments, so that people can
Howard Brown:understand that. Because so they can make the empathetic decision
Howard Brown:to be able to retire you gracefully or still support you.
Howard Brown:Because, listen, you're, you still have so much more to give
Howard Brown:and to accomplish. And so I have to tell you, I have chemo brain,
Howard Brown:which is a form of PTSD. All right, I sometimes do make a
Howard Brown:joke about it. But it's not a joking matter. Okay, I can't
Howard Brown:remember I can't remember names anymore. And I was a Spitfire
Howard Brown:for names and all that. And, and what I see you doing, which I
Howard Brown:think is so important is that and, and I might do this in
Howard Brown:other disease communities. But we have a little mantra in the
Howard Brown:cancer world. And I'm sure you'll carry this forward and
Howard Brown:the FTD world as well as kfg. Okay, we got what we got, and
Howard Brown:you got to keep effing going without the swear word, right,
Howard Brown:keep everything going. And that's all you can do until your
Howard Brown:voice is taken. And then you'll do it by written word, or you'll
Howard Brown:do it by some other way, you'll get the message out. And that's
Howard Brown:all you can do. So it's just so important. And I love the fact
Howard Brown:that I'm your first podcast, because there'll be all these
Howard Brown:people trying to contact you and, and you're going to help so
Howard Brown:many. And that that does that give back is so important for
Howard Brown:you. So what I want to do now, is I'm going to put on my
Howard Brown:sunglasses, all right, because Chris, you are shining brightly.
Howard Brown:And I want people to say how should people get in touch with
Howard Brown:you? And give me a final message that you want to tell my
Howard Brown:audience and the rest of the social media world? What do you
Howard Brown:want to talk about? Well, well, good touch you.
Kris Bowring:Yeah, well, to reach me just do my Gmail,
Kris Bowring:Gmail, because I'm, I'm more attuned to that, then and, and
Kris Bowring:then LinkedIn. So LinkedIn is a good one, because I'll be able
Kris Bowring:to do a lot much much more and, and and handle it. One
Howard Brown:way. So Chris, I'm gonna put, I'm gonna put your in
Howard Brown:the notes and the social media, I'm going to put your Kristen
Howard Brown:dot bow ring at Gmail, and then I'm going to put your LinkedIn
Howard Brown:address, so people can just click on it, and they can get in
Howard Brown:touch with you. And I think that's beautiful. And then
Howard Brown:you'll be able to get them information about the aftd.org
Howard Brown:the aphasia.org and connect them up. And I it's such a beautiful
Howard Brown:thing. So what's some message or messages you want, you want to
Howard Brown:leave the listening group,
Kris Bowring:I would like to just say that, that don't hide
Kris Bowring:behind anything is good to maybe hide behind your father or
Kris Bowring:anything like that. But try to if you have it, figure out how
Kris Bowring:to live with it because the things that I rattled off like
Kris Bowring:the working out reading the everybody should be doing that
Kris Bowring:anyway, so it but the it helps and and you can find help. If
Kris Bowring:you're feeling or if your wife is telling you you're not the
Kris Bowring:man you're not, you're not behaving like like you normally
Kris Bowring:did, which she did say to me. And so there was something
Kris Bowring:wrong. We had to get to it. And then we did it and we got to it
Kris Bowring:and we were all ruffled and but we need to keep moving forward.
Kris Bowring:And and keep do this go go to an event go to and and then read
Kris Bowring:and this FTD is in a class like Alzheimer's. And the one thing
Kris Bowring:that you do with Alzheimer's and FTD is not take their medicine,
Kris Bowring:you can damage your head a lot harder if you're taking out
Kris Bowring:Alzheimer's stuff. So so that's what I would say, stay alive.
Howard Brown:So I want to tell you, you, your fighting spirit,
Howard Brown:your courageousness is so admired. You're you're digging
Howard Brown:in deep here, you're living your life. And, and that's what you
Howard Brown:got to do. And so, this has been a really one emotional and a
Howard Brown:deep show. For me personally, because I resonate with what
Howard Brown:you're doing, and I'm in your corner, I know you're in my
Howard Brown:corner. And that's what we do, we bond together, we lift each
Howard Brown:other up. And so this is you can find me our brown at the shining
Howard Brown:brightly.com You can find about my speaking, you could write
Howard Brown:about the book, shining brightly is doing so great. You can even
Howard Brown:find it on Amazon or contact me directly. You could find out
Howard Brown:about the podcast, which this will come out in a couple of
Howard Brown:weeks. Doing great 25,000 downloads, people are listening,
Howard Brown:they're getting inspired, they're getting informed,
Howard Brown:they're getting motivated, educated, and it's just
Howard Brown:tremendous. And then you can learn about my advocacy work, my
Howard Brown:advocacy, work in entrepreneurism, interfaith and
Howard Brown:in cancer. And now Kris has advocacy work and FTD. So, if we
Howard Brown:shine brightly, just a little bit each day for ourselves,
Howard Brown:which Kris does, and we do we take care of ourselves, then you
Howard Brown:help others which he's doing, I'm doing, okay. And our
Howard Brown:communities like we're giving all this great information
Howard Brown:today, the world will be a better place. So Kris, thank
Howard Brown:you. You are a friend. You are brother in arms. What a great
Howard Brown:show. Thank you for being here.
Kris Bowring:Thank you very much.