Are you a HOPE MAKER with Jenny Mulks

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Welcome to the Shining Brightly Show. It's your

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host with the most a maestro of the mic. Howard Brown. So glad

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to have you here. Listen, the sun is shining outside and the

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sun is shining on this podcast because I have the amazing, the

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wonderful, Jenny Hope Mulks with me today. And you don't

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understand how thrilled She is a friend, a mentor and a coach

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Jenny Welcome, welcome, welcome.

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Wow, what a great introduction, Howard,

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thank you so much.

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So Jenny is the friend across the country that

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we've never met. But I feel like I know, I've known her for

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years. And we're going to tell you that story as well. But let

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me tell you just a little bit about Jenny. And then she's

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going to fill in some of the blanks. But Jenny, first and

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foremost is a mom. She is a cancer coach, and a amazing TEDx

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speaker, international author, a patient advocate, philanthropist

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and cancer thriver. But how we met is that she's the founder

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and CEO of along comes hope. That's a nonprofit that serves

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children with cancer, and their families. And their mission is

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to provide a service and some financial assistance, emotional

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support, advocacy, change and awareness through education. And

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she helps families I mean, who does that it's beautiful. And

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Jenny had her own personal battle in 2006, with a rare and

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aggressive cancer called now I'm going to pronounce this probably

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wrong, but it's Colegio carcinoma, they do it right. Oh,

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I did, giving her a short six months, six to 12 months to live

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and survive. So we're both survivors. It's just awesome.

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And so thriving, as many odds she survived and thrived. And

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she changed her entire life and her career, and she'll tell you

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about that.

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She previously been a pharmaceutical rep and a

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regional manager. And after her miraculous healing, she left the

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corporate world to serve children with cancer. And that's

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just so noble. She's become the accidental cancer coach to

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adults as well and many families. So, Jenny, you have

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really inspired me. And I just, we met just by mutual admiration

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society, because I was going through treatment, and I had

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found you and I'd reached out and the first thing I want to do

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is just say, thank you, because you supported me, we've got to

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know each other and all of a sudden in the mail, I get hope

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the bear can you can help make an appearance.

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Did you mean you got somebody like this?

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I did, And so for those that are listening, Jenny

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is holding up the cutest cuddly little teddy bear with a heart

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on it. Okay, and it actually has a paw that says a message what

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does it say? Love? I hope is that took the bear, right? And

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then as a message I have my hope to bear as well. And she puts a

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personalised message to each person each child or adult that

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gets it and you know, even me okay at age 50 got a bear and

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boy does that mean a lot. So I got hope the bear I have hope

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and hope sits in in our bedroom on our bed and we love it and it

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means a lot because I think of you all the time and I think of

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the inspiration that you provide to that. So tell us a little bit

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more would I leave out from from your great bio.

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Well, I love that you connect me with hope. I

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mean, what a huge honour right? To have an inspiring word like

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that that people go oh, that makes me think of you and that

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you have hoped the bear on your bed that tells me one that you

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keep hoping your heart every day but to you make your bed and

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that's

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that's I do do that I'm a little discipline.

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You know, Mama Nancy Brown said hospital corner. So I do I do?

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Absolutely. I get you. What did you leave out

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about me? Well, I probably the only thing that really long bio

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was that you left out that I wanted to be a whale trainer

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when I was in college, and I applied to SeaWorld. And they

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didn't call me back.

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Oh, wow, that's a secret. I did not know that

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Shamu is gonna get the get a coach named Jenny.

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I was like, like Coach whales, and then I

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coached volleyball, high school and college and then I'm like,

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why not coach whales. I guess I'm gonna coach cancer patients

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instead.

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Well, first of all those that are just listening,

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if you're viewing on the video, you'll see that she's wearing a

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beautiful t shirt that show me your hope. So show me your hope.

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And also also talk a little bit about the Circle of Hope.

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Because that's the thing I think I missed.

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Yeah, so Circle of Hope is on the newer

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side. So since you and I have been catching up, we are in the

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early stages of getting it off the ground. So as you know

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there's only so much time in the day and when you are working

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with cancer patients and caregivers and the one on one

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coaching. There's not enough time to be able to help and

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serve everybody that needs help. So the Circle of Hope is a

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virtual platform that is free for all of my along comes hope

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families and it has access to everything wellness. So I have

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other coaches on there that specialise in, say yoga and

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meditation and trauma, yoga, grief, nutrition, tapping, Heart

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Math. So there's all kinds of different modalities of easing

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your angst, as well as gaining additional knowledge on how to

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treat ourselves better how to work through times that are

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challenging, and find that that peaceful space, I also am

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certified This is did not make it on my my bio. I'm a certified

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Cancer Care minister. And another one of my coaches that

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he's actually I coached him. And now he's coaching with me, we've

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got certified together in cancer care ministry, through city of

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hope.

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Isn't that cool? not know that. That's new. So

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oh, that's outstanding.

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We're bringing the spiritual aspect onto it. So

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it's a 24/7 platform, that you can go in and be a part of live

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fireside chats with myself, and whoever we have on is that guest

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coach that day, or one of our, our home coaches. Or you can go

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back in and have access to the archives as long as you'd like.

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Down the road, we also will be providing services that are

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discounted for anything wellness. So if you think of

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anything wellness, that's where we're headed with a circle of

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hope. And it's really two things that I thought of from when I

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had cancer and that my mom had cancer, you know, you know how

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it is you get on Google, and they start going down into these

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rabbit holes, and how much time it takes. So it's to try to

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reduce misinformation and myths and give you a one stop shop to

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be able to just think of yourself and all things

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wellness. Let your medical team be your medical team, I will be

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your circle of hope.

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It's beautiful. And I want to tell you that I've

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heard you use you know, because I've watched you speak before

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and we've known each other now, at least seven years since I got

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diagnosed and you created a word called can serve. Tell me the

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origins of that and how that all came about.

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Well, that came about in the very early

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stages of my cancer diagnosis. What I was realising is when you

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listen to the power of words that they have on you, they can

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really impact you or to have energy words have emotion. Words

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have truth or lies, right. So when they told me I had six to

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12 months to live, I was being a good girl and obeying the

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doctors, I could literally feel my life force was diminishing.

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And I learned from being strong and working out five days a

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week, at least two bedrooms very quickly. And I could feel my

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light going out. And I was realising holy cow, I took that

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cancer that dark and limitless and scary word that's, you know,

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we were very handcuffing. And instead I'm like, alright, we

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need to flip this around. And when I when we created along

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comes hope I realised how I took cancer and moved it to can serve

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two powerful words, instead of these limiting this limiting

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word of cancer. So can serve because we can serve one

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another. And I truly believe we're here to do that. During

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our time of healing, we are receiving service most often,

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right. And that's hard to do. Sometimes it'd be a graceful

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recipient is a gift to those giving. But when we can also be

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in service and an acting in doing we can serve we're, we're

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serving, whether we're receiving or we're giving, that's what we

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need to remember,

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there's so much synergy between us and you know,

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as both being, you know, patients, survivors, advocates,

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now you're added minister to the title. And you're right, there

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is a darkness. And I think you can give that darkness, some

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space, but you can't let it dominate you or else you know,

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depression and bad things can happen. You need to be able to

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take the light of others and help them lift you up. And

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that's where we you and I are just like in lockstep there, you

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know I wrote a book that basically is that you know, a

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resilient guide to living a life to lift up yourself and lift up

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others. So you and I are in lockstep there. So you, you now

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have taken that and you are use that in your cancer coaching,

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correct? Well, like I said, in the bio cancer

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coaching became accidental, right was and I'm sure you get

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this all the time too, because no one I was a regional manager

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in pharma. Before that I was a sales representative. I'd been

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in pharma for a long time many disease states. So you know, you

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know a lot about medications. You know a lot about disease

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states, you understand clinical studies, but you also understand

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the medical system and how to manoeuvre around it through it

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when you're getting there. wall after wall with managed care and

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trying to get access to, to facilities that you know what's

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gonna be eight to 10 weeks. So I was getting these calls, and it

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became very overwhelming and I was realising Wow, they're all

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in the same exact position I was in from the beginning of, okay,

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we got to put our boots on, let's get to work figure this

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out. And so that's what cancer coaching does is it really helps

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us to align. Instead of just going into all the data and

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details, it's aligning the mind and body with the Spirit.

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Because when you're frenetic, your body's not going to be

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healing and sleeping and doing what you need to do to rid

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yourself of this, of this cancer. So that's where I come

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in, because I've been on both sides of the fence as a

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caregiver, and a patient.

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Right, and a pharmaceutical rep. So you have

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the medical backing as well. So when did the long come soaps

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start? And also you started you focused on families and

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children?

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Correct. That started 10 years ago, almost to

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the date. So April 1 2013. Yes, so God put it upon my heart,

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what kept being a calling a calling a calling to the

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children to serve the children. And when I was at MD Anderson

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Cancer Centre in Houston, one of my rooms overlooked these two

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tall, tall buildings across the way that illuminated at night,

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and it was Children's Hospital. And I just my little boy was

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four at the time. And today, he's 21, literally today.

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Congratulations, happy birthday. I know, thank you. And I

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couldn't imagine that being my child in that in that cold

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building with the glass walls and fighting for his life. Like

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I couldn't imagine that. So I really, I know that that's one

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of the reasons that God put that on my heart because I have such

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a great empathy as an adult going through it. I couldn't

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imagine the kids.

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Ya know, it's hard. I, when I was 23, still

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young onset, I would go sit with the kids in the paediatrics in

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the Jimmy fund in Boston at Dana Farber Cancer Institute, too,

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because I didn't have a place for me, either old or young

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kids, and where does a 23 year old fit. So I can totally

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understand that. And it's horrible that, you know, anyone

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young onset or peds, kids have to go through this. It's, you

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know, they don't even have to understand kind of why and what

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they're going through and they're suffering, and they

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families do need help. And it's amazing that you're there. What

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would be some initial advice that you give to families. And

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even if you talk to the kids, what do you say to them?

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Well, in the early stages of diagnosis are so

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important to really set the stage for not only yourself, and

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it's how you received the information from your your

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caregivers, or your providers, your medical team, but also

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sending that message forward. So you are, you're the platform,

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you as in the newly diagnosed cancer patient, you're the

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platform for how the others are going to behave around you. You

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can set a tone of fear, or you can set a tone of hope. You can

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bring God into it right away, that we've got a spiritual

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higher power here that's in control. But we can also make

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sure that no matter what we face in this journey, that we're

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going to thrive, not just survive. And that's really

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important, because how are you and I know, we're not getting

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out of here alive, no matter what we do, we can kick and

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scream, we're not getting out of here alive. But how can we make

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the best of every one of our days that we still have here.

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And that might be two 105 that might be 265. We don't know, or

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younger. So it's really important to when you're

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bringing the others onto your team, to have a mindset and an

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attitude of hope. And that we're going to do this together. And

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and remain positive.

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I want to emphasise because I went through

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cancer in 1989 and 91. It was analogue and then again now 2016

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To today seven years, analogue and digital is very, very

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different. We my dad brought home a book about cancer from

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the library. With all the digital resources out there,

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there's you know, way to do that. And you said something

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really important about making sure that you can actually

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receive and so in your time in need, okay, you need to be

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selfish. You need to be able to be able to take help and give

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people that other joy and share their light with you to help

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lift you up in your time of need. I want to emphasise it

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again. The second point is that through COVID Most people didn't

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go get checked. You couldn't go hospitals were flooded and you

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didn't go get your mammography, you didn't go get your prostate

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checked, you did not go get a colonoscopy or a FIT test or

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cologuard at home, you didn't go get your cardio check. You

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didn't go to the dentist, skip their appointments. And so I

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always you know, say that gotta go get screened. Because, for

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example, if I would have been screened 10 years earlier, I get

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screened at 50. And the age is 45. Unless you have actually

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symptoms, okay, like blood in the stool, or cramping or

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stomach pains and things like that. Or you have family

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history, you can get screened earlier. But it's one of the

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most misdiagnosed things as far as my colon cancer, there's

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going to be 155,000 diagnosis 52,000 deaths this year, we're

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not going to stop cancer. But you can if you get it early

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enough, if you get it early enough you can and for most

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things, if you get it, so keep up with your health. And so the

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first thing and it's a big buzzword now self love self

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care, but eating right, exercising, right, hydrating

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right, getting sleep, okay, all that stuff matters. All that

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stuff matters. It really does. So I want to talk to you,

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because one of the things that in our previous conversations,

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and actually what you did in being inside the last chapter of

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my book in chapter 18, I just did a podcast called 18 equals

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life 18 In Judaism equals high and find means life. And there's

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360 pages, 18 chapters, and one of the things that we spoke

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about and when we interviewed for being in the last chapter

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was becoming a hope maker or hope taker. Okay, and again,

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this is all trademark for you and all that, but it sits with

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me. Okay, hope the bear sits with me. Along comes up. But

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tell me how you came up with that and give people some

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definition in some some something about that a little deeper?

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:16:30

Course. Yeah, I'm glad you touched on that.

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That goes back again to your energetic surroundings. So being

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in the corporate world, and pharma was it's a very

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competitive field. I had a wonderful company, but sometimes

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it's never enough. I had wonderful support when I went

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out sick. I wonderful support before that. Things changed

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though when we got bought out. But point being, we can be

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around people that suck the energy out of us that do not

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help fill our cup, that are very negative, that are fear based.

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It's all these things that in it, there's a great way to

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decide if they're a homemaker or hope taker, how do you feel when

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you leave them? Do you feel regenerated and you know,

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vivacious and full of life and be like, Wow, that was so

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amazing to just have that great chat. I always feel like I want

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to chat with you. Or do you come home and you're like, oh, my

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gosh, I gotta go to bed. I need a beer or whatever. They're,

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they just suck the life out of you. Those hope takers, they

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really check chip and chip away at your spirit. And the hope

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makers, that's who ended up being my treatment team. I mean,

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when I walked into to MD Anderson, I've gone to five

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different doctors and facilities. When I walk into ma

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MD Anderson, everything there was hope filled from the guy

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that parked our car at valet, to the person that did my labs to

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whoever was greeting us at the front to the nurses to triage.

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And my physicians, it was amazing the energy there. And

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and hope is an energy. And being a homemaker. And I hope taker is

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:18:19

an energy. So I recommend highly to surround yourself with hope

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:18:24

makers, because they will make your life so much more complete.

Howard Brown: 00:18:29

Well I want to take it even further. Because

Howard Brown: 00:18:31

you and I are aligned that we are building a movement of Hope

Howard Brown: 00:18:35

makers because what I My Gospel is that we lift ourselves up. So

Howard Brown: 00:18:39

you take care of yourself, build that foundation back, and then

Howard Brown: 00:18:43

you go help others there's so many people in need, I mean,

Howard Brown: 00:18:46

random act of kindness act of giving, taking a walk, sending

Howard Brown: 00:18:50

someone a joke, but also filling your own cup and go into your

Howard Brown: 00:18:54

happy place. Mine's the basketball court. Others can be

Howard Brown: 00:18:57

cooking and travelling and art and yoga, but you can lift

Howard Brown: 00:19:00

yourself, lift up others, and then we join hands and become

Howard Brown: 00:19:04

this force multiplier for good and positive change. That's a

Howard Brown: 00:19:08

homemaker. And that's what we're building. That's the movement

Howard Brown: 00:19:11

and we are joined you and I tagged him on that for sure. So

Howard Brown: 00:19:15

now you did mention, you know, we there's lots of people that

Howard Brown: 00:19:19

are going through, you know, treatment when you get said that

Howard Brown: 00:19:22

cancer diagnosis. Some people say that that your survivorship

Howard Brown: 00:19:26

starts on that day doesn't feel like it, but use the word

Howard Brown: 00:19:30

thriving versus surviving versus thriving. And so why is it

Howard Brown: 00:19:33

important that you differentiate that?

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:19:37

I think surviving is underplayed,

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:19:39

because that can mean just kind of like trotting along. How're

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:19:44

you doing today? I'm surviving right now. Thriving is taking in

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:19:48

life taking in the beauty of that blue sky. Taking in the

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:19:52

sparkle of your baby's eyes or the laughter that you hear on a

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:19:57

playground. I'm when you're walking by the bird on hearing

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:20:01

chirping outside, it's, it's your senses truly coming alive,

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:20:05

and having this great appreciation for all the the

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:20:09

beautiful things that God has created around us. And that's

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:20:13

where gratitude plays into our healing and to our role. And I'm

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:20:17

not just filling fluff, like, I really feel like when I was

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:20:21

diagnosed, realising that all of a sudden, I could hear this

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:20:26

clock ticking, because before that I took life more for

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:20:30

granted. I assumed I was going to be here 110 years. And all of

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:20:34

a sudden, I'm like, oh, that clock is loud. But the Greens

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:20:38

became greener on the grass, and the blues became bluer in the

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:20:43

sky. And that little bug that was walking by I actually would

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:20:47

watch my son stop and pick it up. It was just, I was

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:20:51

enthralled at watching life through him too. It's, it's

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:20:54

truly a joy to capture life that way. So I recommend to thrive

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:20:59

well before you have any life challenges, so that you can

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:21:03

enjoy every step of it.

Howard Brown: 00:21:05

yeah, so also, you're you you you did a TEDx.

Howard Brown: 00:21:08

So, tell me, what was that? Like? What was that, like you're

Howard Brown: 00:21:12

able to share your message on a TEDx stage.

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:21:15

It was such an honour, it really was to be

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:21:18

selected as a speaker for this, obviously, for this platform,

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:21:22

because it's worldwide. And I really felt like it was a

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:21:26

message that that God wanted me to have out there. And he put

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:21:31

most of the message on my heart, how to deliver it. Of course,

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:21:33

afterwards, when you watch the video and stuff, you have so

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:21:36

much so much that you want to critique about it. But it just

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:21:40

needed to be from the heart and real and authentic. And I feel

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:21:45

like it came off that way.

Howard Brown: 00:21:47

It was awesome. I hope the bear was a special

Howard Brown: 00:21:51

guest with you.

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:21:52

Yes. And hope the bear left with all of our

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:21:54

attendees to go home spread hope. And oftentimes, when I

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:21:59

give hope to somebody like that, I'll I'll encourage them to

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:22:03

spread hope forward. So you might be bringing it home, but

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:22:06

you might be giving it to somebody else that you know

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:22:07

needs that message.

Howard Brown: 00:22:09

Exactly. So listen, we're not this, this we

Howard Brown: 00:22:13

take cancer very seriously, it is complex. It affects so many

Howard Brown: 00:22:18

people more than the patient's the caregivers and your

Howard Brown: 00:22:20

families. And, but we're both trying to actually, you know,

Howard Brown: 00:22:25

move things forward and help people. And I don't know if you

Howard Brown: 00:22:29

know that I'm now the chairman of colon town of the board of

Howard Brown: 00:22:32

directors. So we're helping 10,000 folks that have

Howard Brown: 00:22:35

colorectal cancer, there are resources. So please seek both

Howard Brown: 00:22:38

of us out is a message that I want that we have big networks

Howard Brown: 00:22:43

and we can if we can't serve you, we know people who can have

Howard Brown: 00:22:46

all different types of cancer. So that's that's the major

Howard Brown: 00:22:48

message I want to push out to the audience and things like

Howard Brown: 00:22:50

that. Well, this is the time we're going to put on my

Howard Brown: 00:22:53

sunglasses, Jenny, and you already are shining, but you're

Howard Brown: 00:22:55

shining even brighter now. So my light is shining to you. And

Howard Brown: 00:22:59

we're going to do the shining brightly spotlight. So you're

Howard Brown: 00:23:01

going to tell people, I know you have something that you want to

Howard Brown: 00:23:04

give away. And you're going to do that. But also tell them how

Howard Brown: 00:23:08

they can get in touch with you do your giveaway, and then give

Howard Brown: 00:23:11

me some final comments. So we're going to take the show home.

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:23:13

Absolutely. I have a wonderful, heartfelt it's

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:23:17

hard to work colouring book journal. So it's actually filled

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:23:22

with poetry, with places to colour, places to work together

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:23:26

through fear. And I've had such great feedback from families

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:23:31

that have worked on together, as well as kids that just work on

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:23:36

it on themselves. So there's going to be a link that Howard

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:23:41

will put I assume in our show notes. Yes. And you can download

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:23:46

the whole 87 Page colouring book for yourself if you would like

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:23:51

done by artists that are working from the heart to donate back to

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:23:57

a long time. So And speaking of donating to low income, so if

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:24:01

you would like to support our children with cancer, you can

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:24:06

text the word hope maker 244321, you just text that I'll send you

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:24:11

a link. And you can make a tax deductible donation to our

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:24:16

mission, which we would greatly appreciate. And you can find me

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:24:21

as both a cancer coach and about a longtime. So at my email,

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:24:26

Jenny jenny@alongcomeshope.com Or you can call me at 888802

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:24:31

Hope H-O-P-E.

Howard Brown: 00:24:32

That's that four letter word we love. That's

Howard Brown: 00:24:35

right. It's amazing. But all this will be put in the show

Howard Brown: 00:24:37

notes all will be put on the links and on social media. So

Howard Brown: 00:24:41

give me some closing, closing statements that you want to

Howard Brown: 00:24:44

make.

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:24:45

First of all, I want to congratulate you on

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:24:48

spreading hope and shining brightly throughout this world.

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:24:52

If there's anything that these last few years have taught us is

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:24:56

that we can make a difference one at a time as we ripple that

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:24:59

energy through this world and you are doing it. And I'm

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:25:03

honoured to be a part of doing it with you. You can count me in

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:25:07

all the way, Howard. The last thing that I would like to say

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:25:11

is you are never alone. Everybody that's out there

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:25:14

listening, do not make this journey alone. Cancer is a team

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:25:18

sport. As a caregiver, you can really go down hill if you're

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:25:22

not taking care of yourself. I'm here to support you, Howard's

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:25:25

here to support you. Reach out if you have questions. If you

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:25:29

have friends that have been diagnosed anything, please just

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:25:33

share our information. Because we don't want you to walk this

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:25:37

journey alone. It'd be my honour to escort you through it.

Howard Brown: 00:25:41

I love that. And it is a team sport. So thank you

Howard Brown: 00:25:44

for listening or if you're watching the shining brightly.

Howard Brown: 00:25:47

So this is all about inspiration. And Jenny, you

Howard Brown: 00:25:50

inspire me and the work that you do. And we join hands and do

Howard Brown: 00:25:54

this together. And so people you can get a hold of me at shining

Howard Brown: 00:25:57

brightly.com There's great information about the book which

Howard Brown: 00:26:01

Jenny is in and the final chapter and also my speaking for

Howard Brown: 00:26:04

podcasting and any stages live and virtual, as well as there's

Howard Brown: 00:26:08

cancer information and screening information in there as well.

Howard Brown: 00:26:12

Plus, there's there's discussion guides on survivorship,

Howard Brown: 00:26:15

mentorship and interfaith, they're very interesting free

Howard Brown: 00:26:19

downloads that you can do that as well. There. So I will close

Howard Brown: 00:26:22

the show by saying that if we choose to shine brightly, just a

Howard Brown: 00:26:26

little bit each day for ourselves, for others and for

Howard Brown: 00:26:29

our communities. The world will be a better place. Jenny, I'm

Howard Brown: 00:26:33

honoured to have you and thank you.

Jenny Hope Mulks: 00:26:35

Thank you so much, Howard.