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Leslie Bost is a Trauma-Informed Conscious Parenting Coach and Founder of Sabios Parenting. She is here today with her partner, Juan Diaz Rivera. Leslie and Juan share 4 children and live in Mexico. We talk about what it means to be in a conscious relationship - such a worthy and remarkable conversation! What this means is truly looking at what material each partner brings into the relationship from their childhood, taking responsibility for your own healing, being willing to be vulnerable with yourself about how you show up and so much more. Thank you Leslie and Juan for being here today!
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My name is Leslie Bost, I live a Nomadic life with my husband and 4 children. You will usually find us on the ocean or between Los Cabos, Mexico & San Miguel de Allende, MX. I am a human being that deeply cares. I care about the connection with our children, our world, and mostly the connection to ourselves. I believe that if we nourish ourselves from within, with loving self-care on a physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual level, we will become the change we want to see.
The origin of my story into healing started after much trauma, abuse, abandonment, adoption, eating disorders, deep depression, multiple miscarriages, complicated pregnancies, NICU babies, and all of the challenges that these experiences bring to a marriage and parenting. This journey brought me to healing through mindfulness, meditation, therapy, compassion, and ultimately conscious parenting with Dr. Shefali Tsabary, trauma-informed work with Dr. Gabor Mate, Spiritual Psychology with Suzi Lula, Intuition intelligence work, and most recently NLP & Timeline Therapy. This process of liberation guided me through years of study to develop a methodology by which I help others.
My goal is to guide overwhelmed women, coaches & parents to tap into their inner power, create compassionate inner-connection and navigate life so they can better understand their triggers, patterns, beliefs and connect with their loved ones. I would love to connect with you and compassionately provide a space to guide you to a better connection within and with your wise ones. Join me!
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Welcome back to mystical sisterhood. I'm your
Maureen Spielman:host, Maureen Spielman. Today I sit down with Leslie bossed, and
Maureen Spielman:her partner, Juan Diaz Rivera, super excited to interview them
Maureen Spielman:as a couple and join in this conscious conversations about
Maureen Spielman:what it means to be in a conscious relationship with your
Maureen Spielman:partner, Leslie and Juan are very vulnerable in this
Maureen Spielman:conversation, taking us down, you know, the different paths of
Maureen Spielman:their relationship, and how they came to be present with both
Maureen Spielman:themselves and with one another, and really taking full
Maureen Spielman:responsibility for doing their own work and looking at the
Maureen Spielman:parts of their childhood that they were bringing into their
Maureen Spielman:relationship. So thank you for being here. It's going to be a
Maureen Spielman:great conversation. And I just want to point you to the show
Maureen Spielman:notes. Leslie is going to be starting an eight week
Maureen Spielman:mentorship program for mothers. I love the title. It's called
Maureen Spielman:the ever evolving mother. And please take a look. It's going
Maureen Spielman:to be just beautiful. She's going to recruit in all of her
Maureen Spielman:knowledge from her many, many years of studying. It starts in
Maureen Spielman:just a couple weeks and you don't want to miss it. Okay with
Maureen Spielman:that, let's go to the episode. Hey there, welcome to mystical
Maureen Spielman:sisterhood. This is your host, Maureen Spielman. I started the
Maureen Spielman:show to highlight the intuitives healers and other courageous
Maureen Spielman:women that I've met along my journey and continue to meet.
Maureen Spielman:Through amazing interviews, I seek to ask insightful questions
Maureen Spielman:to uncover ways in which you the listener can apply the wisdom
Maureen Spielman:and knowledge to your own life. I believe that we're all in this
Maureen Spielman:together. So sharing healing and joy, and bringing community
Maureen Spielman:together is both my passion and purpose. If you'd like to learn
Maureen Spielman:more about the mystical sisterhood community I'm
Maureen Spielman:building, please visit www mystical sisterhood.com See you
Maureen Spielman:in the episode. Welcome back to mystical sisterhood. This is
Maureen Spielman:your host, Maureen Spielman. And today I'm here with Leslie and
Maureen Spielman:one who I had introduced in the intro today. I can't thank the
Maureen Spielman:two of you enough for being here with me. I met Leslie, on my
Maureen Spielman:journey with Dr. Shefali is conscious parenting. And that
Maureen Spielman:was just a beautiful road, we traveled together. And then one
Maureen Spielman:came into my life, through Suzy Lula's sole care certification.
Maureen Spielman:So we mostly know each other from video screen, one I know.
Maureen Spielman:And you too, lastly, but you live in Mexico, I know you
Maureen Spielman:travel the world and share for children. And so today, we're
Maureen Spielman:here to talk about relationships. And I think that
Maureen Spielman:relationships are something that definitely intrigued me, they
Maureen Spielman:make the world go round. Yeah, we don't have a lot of training
Maureen Spielman:and how to do them. And so I know the two of you to be so
Maureen Spielman:deeply committed to the work and practitioners of desiring to be
Maureen Spielman:in a conscious relationship, and so willing to take a look at
Maureen Spielman:yourselves. And I know that because it's the training I've
Maureen Spielman:been in with you. And it's the, it's what's asked of us as we
Maureen Spielman:are in relationship with another. So today, I really want
Maureen Spielman:to look at, you know, when we're in relationship with you, too,
Maureen Spielman:it's with with anybody, but today, it's with your primary
Maureen Spielman:partner we're talking about, what is it look like? We all
Maureen Spielman:come to each other with different backgrounds, or
Maureen Spielman:different life experiences, possibly our own traumas, our
Maureen Spielman:woundings? The things that are our shadows from the past. And
Maureen Spielman:so, you know, one of my, I guess, questions today will be
Maureen Spielman:around, you know, how do we bring these together in loving
Maureen Spielman:relationship? Because I think so many times, we come into that
Maureen Spielman:loving relationship, and then across time, you know, our
Maureen Spielman:backgrounds be, they might begin to collide a little bit. So you
Maureen Spielman:know, that it's, it's looking at like, okay, when we hit these
Maureen Spielman:places, how do we move? Can we move into a more intentional
Maureen Spielman:mindful space of consciousness, where we're considering how we
Maureen Spielman:show up in relation to the other? And so that's just I
Maureen Spielman:know, Leslie, you and I had talked about a few pre planned
Maureen Spielman:questions, but just to introduce the audience to you. I'll start
Maureen Spielman:with you, Leslie. And you know, how you find yourself sitting
Maureen Spielman:here with me today talking about relationships.
Leslie Bost:Well, first of all, thank you for having us here. I
Leslie Bost:love sitting here with you and just having this candid
Leslie Bost:conversation, and especially sharing here With my significant
Leslie Bost:other, my husband and partner, and like you said, we share for
Leslie Bost:children and a lot of history 22 years. So, yeah, I am so
Leslie Bost:grateful to you, and how do I find myself here? I think it's
Leslie Bost:been, you know, a combination of what the universe has brought on
Leslie Bost:to my life, and in this in this incarnation, and this soul
Leslie Bost:feeling of wanting to really transcend and evolve certain
Leslie Bost:things. I feel it in my, the core of me, you know, like this
Leslie Bost:sense of, of wanting to be more in my heart space and understand
Leslie Bost:more from my heart. And that I think, eventually led me through
Leslie Bost:a lot of hardships, to conscious parenting where we met. And when
Leslie Bost:I say hardships, I mean, because, you know, through the
Leslie Bost:typical parenting journey, things that happen, and that
Leslie Bost:trigger us, and that I thought this is this cannot be the way
Leslie Bost:and which eventually led me to Dr. Shefali. And that led me to
Leslie Bost:Susie Lula, who we both share as a mentor as well. And, and that
Leslie Bost:started to really change how my relationship was with my
Leslie Bost:husband, not only my children, but when I started to peel all
Leslie Bost:these layers, there was a disconnect in in, you know,
Leslie Bost:where we were. And I think at one point, we had to make a
Leslie Bost:choice, whether we wanted to have this relationship to be a
Leslie Bost:conscious relationship, or if we weren't going to let each other
Leslie Bost:go in different ways. And that was a really hard, really hard
Leslie Bost:time. But I think that that's what led then us really working
Leslie Bost:towards, okay, we want this to be a more more of a conscious
Leslie Bost:growth and evolution for us as partners. Right?
Juan Diaz Rivera:Yeah. Thank you for having us. Good to see
Juan Diaz Rivera:you again. Yeah, I mean, I think, at the end of the day,
Juan Diaz Rivera:was just straightforward. You know, we cheer for children, I
Juan Diaz Rivera:don't think we were going to lay to go like, not see each other
Juan Diaz Rivera:because we share poor children, but we were definitely in a
Juan Diaz Rivera:position to have to redefine our relationship. I think as Leslie
Juan Diaz Rivera:peeled away the layers, it forced her to really take a hard
Juan Diaz Rivera:look at kind of where she was, and where she wanted to go. In
Juan Diaz Rivera:that process to question everything. And in questioning
Juan Diaz Rivera:everything, to kind of question our relationship, which made me
Juan Diaz Rivera:understand that I needed to be more, more together more, all
Juan Diaz Rivera:around well rounded, right, I was very unidimensional, I was
Juan Diaz Rivera:very focused on work. Less, he was very focused on children in
Juan Diaz Rivera:the house. And, and when it became evident that we would
Juan Diaz Rivera:just kind of, we woke up one day, and a lot of stuff had
Juan Diaz Rivera:happened. And we needed to define our relationship again, I
Juan Diaz Rivera:needed to be more well rounded. So I, that took me to do a lot
Juan Diaz Rivera:of personal work and a lot of a lot of kind of soul searching to
Juan Diaz Rivera:understand, you know, how I could be a good father, right?
Juan Diaz Rivera:Because in this in this moment that I'm that we're describing,
Juan Diaz Rivera:you know, we got relationship had reached a turning point, we
Juan Diaz Rivera:were either going to be consciously together or
Juan Diaz Rivera:consciously apart, there was no, there was no other way of going
Juan Diaz Rivera:at it. And the consciousness part of it, I think becomes the
Juan Diaz Rivera:self aware, vulnerable, you know, conversational
Juan Diaz Rivera:acknowledgement, that the we have, we each have our own work
Juan Diaz Rivera:to do, and that we each bring all this, you know, the stuff
Juan Diaz Rivera:that we assembled or accumulated over the course of a lifetime,
Juan Diaz Rivera:right, just scars and, and wounds and things of that nature
Juan Diaz Rivera:that that we got as kids and then as young adults, and then
Juan Diaz Rivera:as you know, in even in our, in our marriage, as young
Juan Diaz Rivera:newlyweds. And then and then we bring that to the table. And so
Juan Diaz Rivera:now with that and looking at that, acknowledging that and
Juan Diaz Rivera:making space for that, you know, how do we what's how do we best
Juan Diaz Rivera:you know, share this, these children and share this life.
Juan Diaz Rivera:And so through that took me just to, you know, work that I did on
Juan Diaz Rivera:my own and work I did with therapists and coaches and then
Juan Diaz Rivera:through Lessing invited me to be a part of Susie's collective
Juan Diaz Rivera:collective, which was awesome. I met four other guys that we're
Juan Diaz Rivera:doing it as well, which was phenomenal. And, and then having
Juan Diaz Rivera:that relationship with those guys was was fantastic because
Juan Diaz Rivera:we could speak the same language and then onwards to you know, to
Juan Diaz Rivera:continue our work. goes from there, your work daily into
Juan Diaz Rivera:continual practice and then to be invited here with you.
Maureen Spielman:I love it. Well, thanks for sharing both of
Maureen Spielman:your, you know, sides of that question. And what I see and
Maureen Spielman:hear is that perhaps Leslie and one, you may have been on the
Maureen Spielman:path somewhat even before. But that Lastly, you stepped into
Maureen Spielman:these teachings that really just opened up your world to a lot of
Maureen Spielman:new questions. And I'm, and I'm knowing self reflection as well.
Maureen Spielman:But then there was an invitation for one to partner in on that.
Maureen Spielman:And like I'm sensing on one side there. I don't know, if for a
Maureen Spielman:time there wasn't a willingness want to enter into it.
Unknown:You know, I think Leslie and I have both been very
Unknown:curious. Just about all things. And I think it's one of the
Unknown:things that has drawn us together.
Unknown:One of the reasons we travel a lot, because you mentioned, you
Unknown:know, and
Unknown:in that curiosity, I think I've always been a bit of a seeker
Unknown:of, you know, different philosophies, different ways of
Unknown:looking at life. But that also made me a bit of a chameleon.
Unknown:And so, in this process, that where she kind of began, I
Unknown:guess, peeling back the layers of what she'd become right to
Unknown:try to find the human that she had been originally. It also,
Unknown:you know, obviously changes or makes you look at yourself in
Unknown:that way. And so I mean, yeah, initially, she was taking all
Unknown:these consciousness classes, and mindfulness, mindfulness and
Unknown:meditation. And we kind of found meditation at a similar time,
Unknown:but I was more information about it. And I would really, I was, I
Unknown:am a workaholic, I'm going to always be addicted to my work,
Unknown:or addicted to doing stuff. And, and she, you know, I was always
Unknown:easy for me to justify not continuing with it, right? It
Unknown:was always a negotiable part of my existence, where work was the
Unknown:non negotiable.
Unknown:And I'd say you're a recovering workaholic.
Unknown:Always. I honestly feel like it's just a daily, you know,
Unknown:it's a daily decisions, just like a lot of things. But so I
Unknown:think, yeah, I was reluctant. And it was always because my
Unknown:work, right? I might, why I'm so busy. I've got all this stuff I
Unknown:have to do. I've got the pressure of five other humans
Unknown:survival, and, you know, so on and so forth. And a lot of that
Unknown:story that you tell yourself. So yeah, I was a reluctant
Unknown:participant in it. And now she was really, we kind of made a
Unknown:deal at one point or a marriage where, you know, we had more
Unknown:kids than then that we can manage without one of us being
Unknown:full time. And we really had a conversation where we said,
Unknown:listen, which of the two of us is the best equipped for this
Unknown:caregiving. And at that time, Leslie's career was on fire. So
Unknown:she gave up a successful career, because we both recognize even
Unknown:though she was she's tremendous, everything she does, but she was
Unknown:tremendous at that, that she was a better caregiver for these
Unknown:young kids. And I was, so we made a deal. You focus on the
Unknown:home and focus on work. And it's funny, because we kind of both
Unknown:were, I think, stoically resentful?
Unknown:Well, we took it very seriously. So I was like, full on children,
Unknown:mom mode, and he was full on, um, provider mode. And in this
Unknown:in this space, it became very lonely, because then we weren't
Unknown:even though the idea was to work as a team. We really were
Unknown:working on like alone. Right. And
Unknown:it little pieces of the equation start, you know, chipping away
Unknown:at that. But in that process, yeah. I mean, I, I really was a
Unknown:reluctant participant. I mean, she would, you know, hear you
Unknown:should reach a follies book, like, Oh, sure. I know, I
Unknown:shouldn't get to that. And I'd be like, just give me the
Unknown:cliffnotes. Like, tell me what I you know, tell me what you're
Unknown:doing. I'll try to support you as best I can. And so yeah, I
Unknown:mean, I was I was I mean room for her to do what she wanted
Unknown:when she needed to do, but I wasn't enthusiastic, and it
Unknown:wasn't collaborative. In fact, for a time, we would tell our
Unknown:two oldest boys, I remember this, we would say hey, listen,
Unknown:Daddy has a way of doing things. Mom has a way of doing things.
Unknown:It's a little different, different. You know, so just
Unknown:kind of have to Grandma's away different things. We kind of had
Unknown:his way of explaining and it is true. Everybody has a way of
Unknown:doing things. But one day I saw the connection that she had with
Unknown:our kids. And I was like, wait a minute, like, I want that right?
Unknown:And it wasn't about the authoritative parent that I was
Unknown:kind of modeling myself after because that's what I had seen.
Unknown:And I had both models in my home I had my mom who was almost like
Unknown:my sister, so not a mother relationship, but a lot of very
Unknown:connected as a child. And my grandparents which were really
Unknown:the parents in the family in the household, very authoritative.
Unknown:And I began being my grandparents as a parent. And I
Unknown:kept going back to like Alia enough my mom is now my
Unknown:grandparents into terms of her style of doing things. But when
Unknown:I was a child, it was that way. So I had a great connection. And
Unknown:I grew up with a connected parent that would, I would do
Unknown:things to be because of my connection. Also, because of,
Unknown:you know, other things that I took on as a child, but I wanted
Unknown:that I wanted, I wanted our kids to be collaborative and want to
Unknown:do things not be submitted to doing things. And so I got more
Unknown:involved in when obviously, when, you know, we got to a
Unknown:breaking point me, I thought I'm gonna be a single dad, and I
Unknown:don't want to be the authoritative, disenfranchised,
Unknown:you know, unconnected parent, I want to be a connected parent.
Unknown:So I got into parents parenting, for real. And I think that was,
Unknown:you know, like it that wasn't, it wasn't a condition. It wasn't
Unknown:like, Oh, if I do this, you know, maybe, I mean, I was I
Unknown:kind of pretty much thought it was a foregone conclusion, we
Unknown:were not going to continue together. And, and so I was
Unknown:doing it just to be a better human.
Unknown:Yeah, at this point, it wasn't like you said, it wasn't a
Unknown:condition, because I had learned that the more I pushed for Him
Unknown:to come into this world with me, the more I took for myself,
Unknown:right. And so the more judgment I had towards him was actually
Unknown:the judgment of me not going deeper. And I was using my
Unknown:energy to try and control him to do something, and not for me to
Unknown:keep going into my, my path. And I
Unknown:think it's like many things. I mean, I don't, I think until you
Unknown:reach that point, whether it's in your personal journey, you
Unknown:know, I don't know, you lose something, you lose someone, I'm
Unknown:speaking as a as a right, as a man, I think until you until you
Unknown:come to it. Well, I think everyone has to come to it under
Unknown:their own terms, but I think men in general, because I mean, in
Unknown:the work that we've done, and now being part of a collective,
Unknown:and all the different groups, um, I hear more, you know, this
Unknown:is a path women find and follow and kind of drag us along,
Unknown:right. And I do, I don't think you can drag anybody along with
Unknown:it, you just everybody has to come to it under their own
Unknown:terms. And we've got some friends that are also part of
Unknown:the Shefali Susie, kind of environment ecosystem. And the
Unknown:same thing, I mean, I found, I kind of found my way to this
Unknown:through maybe, you know, my masters brought him in, brought
Unknown:in meditation, oddly enough. And then I did yoga to the pandemic,
Unknown:and, and we found a lot of parallels and the stuff that I
Unknown:was reading around yoga and the stuff Leslie was reading and
Unknown:learning around Shefali, that we can begin to actually have some
Unknown:resonance and have some point of comparison. So we each kind of
Unknown:found our own path. And the same is the case, I think of some of
Unknown:our friends that are in a similar kind of dynamic, you
Unknown:know, guy, maybe, you know, new business, turning a new front
Unknown:page, maybe, you know, huge crater of a business, you know,
Unknown:death of a human in their life, something kind of shakes you up,
Unknown:and really makes you wakes you up, you know, it really kind of
Unknown:makes you conscious, for the lack of a better term of what
Unknown:you're doing, what you've been doing or not doing and what you
Unknown:want to do. More importantly. And I think that's where it
Unknown:starts, right? You kind of go well, I, I want to I know I
Unknown:understand. And I kind of want to get to the bottom of not
Unknown:where I have not who I've become through inertia, right? In this
Unknown:case, a bit of a are kind of packed on all work and you do
Unknown:the family, and then all the other things that shape your
Unknown:inertia, right, as a professional guy, expert,
Unknown:teachers, and your parents, family business, whatever those
Unknown:things may be right. And now all of a sudden, what what really,
Unknown:are you What do you want to be and you kind of need to do that
Unknown:work go inside and inside going inside in parallel to begin
Unknown:with, at least in our case, that began to give us another point
Unknown:of confluence, right, the kids had become logistics and a
Unknown:beautiful shared experience. And I mean, amazing opportunity for
Unknown:growth. But it wasn't until we took the I took that and turn it
Unknown:inwards, that I really began to understand the journey you were
Unknown:on that we had a lot of stuff to kind of go back and forth on. So
Unknown:yeah, I think that's that's the net effect of how I guess, you
Unknown:know, a conscious leadership comes.
Maureen Spielman:Oh, I love it. There's so much good share
Maureen Spielman:sharing there. What came to mind for me is, it was a decision
Maureen Spielman:that you consciously made to go forward at a point that could
Maureen Spielman:have gone another way. And that you both took responsibility for
Maureen Spielman:you the way that you were showing up. And I think that's
Maureen Spielman:profound. And I think it's what you're saying you can't lead
Maureen Spielman:someone else to the work. You can't make them do it. And
Maureen Spielman:lastly, I can speak to you know, how you talked about the
Maureen Spielman:projections you were making on one and I've done the same
Maureen Spielman:myself and it's the process of really being able to see
Maureen Spielman:ourselves in that process. And we know that's not solving any
Maureen Spielman:problem that's coming from almost like I'm going to fix him
Maureen Spielman:I'm going to change him and if we're if we're with a partner
Maureen Spielman:And we have this desire to change them. It's just not a
Maureen Spielman:fruitful, like productive process
Unknown:or dependent cycle. So we're trying to be more
Unknown:conscious, but still trying to see us, you know, and when they
Unknown:don't change, then you become a victim, or why aren't you
Unknown:changing and so stepping out of that, and coming back in and
Unknown:that's, so really, that's what a conscious relationship is, it is
Unknown:knowing that the most important part elements of the
Unknown:relationship is first and foremost, you and this happens
Unknown:even with our children, we know that in conscious parenting, but
Unknown:with our partners, a conscious relationship is having a
Unknown:committed sense of growth of service to yourself, then your
Unknown:partner, and then obviously, to the collective growth around
Unknown:you. But it's, it's this, you, you can't have the service to
Unknown:the world, for example, and not care for you, right, or to your
Unknown:partner and not care for you. So it starts here. And then once I
Unknown:know myself, I can connect to myself, I know my triggers, and
Unknown:then I can really start to see my partner for who they are and
Unknown:not wanting to change them. And communicate,
Unknown:communicate those realizations, so that the other human in the
Unknown:dynamic can also respond and show up for you and put, you
Unknown:know, obviously, in parallel, doing your own work to show up
Unknown:for yourself first, and advocate for yourself, listen, I feel
Unknown:this assign need this, I think this, and then listen, and then
Unknown:you know, be in a position to hold space and like collaborate
Unknown:on it. Because if you just arrive at all those realizations
Unknown:and don't communicate them, you know, it's a lonely, lonely, but
Unknown:also be very difficult because the other human in the dynamic
Unknown:can't, you know, dance with you. So,
Unknown:and it's so hard for all those listening, who are in a
Unknown:relationship and are already on their journey, but their partner
Unknown:is not, whether you're a man or a woman, it is available at very
Unknown:lonely place to be initially, and not having your companion,
Unknown:your life companion who you've chosen, or maybe the father or
Unknown:mother of your children to not be on this path. So my advice, I
Unknown:guess, would just be, continue to come back to yourself, trust
Unknown:in the process for yourself, because you're not doing this.
Unknown:For the other, you're doing this for you. And the other might or
Unknown:might not meet you. But having a relationship with yourself first
Unknown:is going to be you know, the, I guess the the desert?
Maureen Spielman:Yeah, no, it made me think of how we hear and
Maureen Spielman:we know that we often turn to the other that's the way we were
Maureen Spielman:kind of conditioned, the other can meet our needs. And what I
Maureen Spielman:hear you saying is that no, you you go to yourself first to
Maureen Spielman:understand what your needs are. And to you know, Leslie, I know
Maureen Spielman:that you do a lot of work around re parenting. And can you speak
Maureen Spielman:to what you mean by that? Or why that would be beneficial in
Maureen Spielman:relation to a relationship? Yeah, for sure.
Unknown:Well, for me, conscious parenting is synonymous to re
Unknown:parenting really. I think I think we know that at one point.
Unknown:Shefali mentioned that I don't know if you remember. But she
Unknown:used the word parenting as like a hook to get parents in because
Unknown:she knew he had to get to the parent. But they you know, they
Unknown:wouldn't come in if it wasn't for the word parenting.
Unknown:Do anything for your kids? Yeah, exactly. And so
Unknown:re parenting is this concept, which I think is getting to be
Unknown:more and more well known. But in short, what it means is, now as
Unknown:an adult, you give yourself all of those things that your
Unknown:parents could not give you not because they didn't love you or
Unknown:they didn't care, but they just couldn't they were living with
Unknown:their projections, their perceptions, their traumas,
Unknown:their wounds. And there are things that were not needs that
Unknown:were not met, when you were a child that you carry, and you
Unknown:bring on to your parenting, your relationships, your friendships,
Unknown:your
Unknown:work, I'll give a good example. And this was right around the
Unknown:time that on this inflection point, but my son has a
Unknown:remarkable ability, you know, to to be a mirror. And so one day
Unknown:he did something and I grabbed him and I put him down really
Unknown:hard on our couch. But the couch I didn't know the couch had a
Unknown:piece of wood. It was kind of like odd geometry. So when I sat
Unknown:him down, he hit his bump. And he had been screaming and I had
Unknown:just not been able to take it. I just couldn't manage the
Unknown:screaming. And so I went back and I actually did a bunch of
Unknown:work with with my coach and I did some inner child meditation
Unknown:realize that I had never been allowed to scream as a child, my
Unknown:mom lived with my grandparents and my grandparents. Well, they
Unknown:were children of the 20s. And they were not allowed to scream.
Unknown:And so you know, that scream, couldn't yelling can be
Unknown:disruptive. And so I had to go back and do a bunch of, you
Unknown:know, visualizations and meditation, and, you know,
Unknown:dynamics, included in talk therapy, to figure that out, and
Unknown:then to allow for it. And later, I can now be fine with
Unknown:screaming, I mean, I will, I'll tell you that I enjoy it, but
Unknown:recognize that it's part of them finding their voice, and that
Unknown:it's important for them to show their emotions, and that I
Unknown:should probably do more of that than they than I do. And so
Unknown:like, that's a way of I repented myself through facilitation,
Unknown:right to go some baggage that was keeping me from enjoying my
Unknown:children. Right. And that's exactly,
Unknown:you know, maybe his need was he needed to be heard, and he
Unknown:couldn't be heard. And so how can we go to that need when we
Unknown:were parents, and really hear ourselves and respect those
Unknown:needs, witnessed them, see them for what they are, and then give
Unknown:ourselves the love that, that we actually needed? So that yeah, I
Unknown:love that example. And that's, that's basically how I use re
Unknown:parenting for myself and with my clients.
Unknown:And I mean, the reason why having a coach relationship is
Unknown:impactful in my life, right as a guide is because I can have this
Unknown:conversation with Leslie and say, Hey, listen, like I'm
Unknown:having a really hard time with the yelling, right? Or with
Unknown:something else, I just find that it really just puts me in a
Unknown:state of mind that I that is not like very cognizant, right, that
Unknown:I just kind of shut off. Okay, well, let me go, I'm gonna go
Unknown:work on that. So cut me some slack. And then I'll go work on
Unknown:it. And maybe over the course of a week, or two, or three or
Unknown:four, whatever long it takes me to talk to my coach and journal
Unknown:and do the things that I need to do to work through it, then
Unknown:maybe I'll come to you and say, Hey, I think I've sorted this
Unknown:out, right? I need to, I need to make some space for this piece
Unknown:of it. And please, when you see me do that, like, like, I need
Unknown:you to do this for me, right? I realized that my love language
Unknown:is touch. So just touch me gently. Your hands on my
Unknown:shoulders, hey, I will ground me, I'll come back, right, and
Unknown:I'll remember to respond versus react. Now, that is not always
Unknown:possible. You know, we have two kids, two boys, all of a sudden,
Unknown:one of them's B and the other one up, and like, I'm just gonna
Unknown:grab one of them, rip them off his brother just so that they
Unknown:don't hurt each other. Right. But as soon as I calm down, or
Unknown:as soon as I remove that, then Leslie knows, Hey, okay, that's,
Unknown:that's okay. Like, if you know, if she still sees me that I'm
Unknown:yelling are very, like in fight or flight, she kind of will know
Unknown:how to help, you know, offer assistance, if she thinks it's
Unknown:necessary, or I will be in a better position to assess myself
Unknown:because I'll recognize it, and then you know, regulate so. So
Unknown:it's a way of making space for each other, to either support
Unknown:each other, if you feel it's appropriate, or just leave space
Unknown:for the other person to kind of do their own work, write out
Unknown:their own ropes, so that they can be their own best tool. So
Unknown:that's, I think, the biggest the biggest piece for me in this
Unknown:dynamic that has been phenomenal.
Maureen Spielman:Yeah, it sounds like a big piece of it,
Maureen Spielman:too, is the spaciousness and to afford one another. The
Maureen Spielman:spaciousness and grace to, to work our own process, because
Maureen Spielman:it's not we know from any of this consciousness work, it's
Maureen Spielman:not a quick fix. That's not why we're here. It's part of the our
Maureen Spielman:souls curriculum, you know, what we have to work out and I was
Maureen Spielman:somewhere recently and, and I was so comforted, because the
Maureen Spielman:woman had said, sometimes, what you have to work through can
Maureen Spielman:take years, and I was like, and I think she even said, decades,
Maureen Spielman:it just, you know, thought Thank you, thank you, that's makes me
Maureen Spielman:feel better. But just to know that it's around the intention
Maureen Spielman:to you know, work together if one thing that's kind of funny
Maureen Spielman:I'm thinking of today, too. It's funny or not, is just when we
Maureen Spielman:come into partnership, and when we come whether it's with each
Maureen Spielman:other or parenting, we are bringing so many people with us
Maureen Spielman:generations before us. And our work here is really I like your
Maureen Spielman:both of you saying that. It's our own personal work because
Maureen Spielman:our in this lifetime, it's to know ourselves so deeply as our
Maureen Spielman:just our holiest, most authentic self. And so, you know, yes,
Maureen Spielman:those voices are coming through and that was our default, our
Maureen Spielman:programming but what if we were able to cultivate who we truly
Maureen Spielman:were meant to be?
Unknown:I love that. Today, we were talking we knew we had the
Unknown:podcast with you and we were just talking about what our
Unknown:relationship looks like now that we are more in in awareness of
Unknown:ourselves. There was five things that we, that we discussed that
Unknown:we think are important to, to just have in mind when we're
Unknown:looking to have a conscious relationship. And the first one
Unknown:is obviously, what we mentioned, initially, what is a conscious
Unknown:relationship, you're always prioritizing your growth as
Unknown:well. And that way you can prioritize the growth of the
Unknown:couple, and then the collective growth, right?
Unknown:That means that that's just like, you know, airline,
Unknown:airplane crash survival 101 Put on your own oxygen mask for for
Unknown:the person next to you. Because
Unknown:the thing is, we're indoctrinated to think that
Unknown:that's selfish. And we have to drop that belief. It's a
Unknown:limiting belief, and because the more that we can come back to
Unknown:our heart and learn more about ourselves, the more open and we
Unknown:don't do it to be more open, we just, it just happens naturally.
Unknown:Right. So so we talked about that being the first and then
Unknown:the other, which has been giving some examples is taking
Unknown:responsibility for our own stuff, you know, like, the
Unknown:triggers that we come with, like you said, we all come with
Unknown:voices, and, you know, stories and all sorts of things that are
Unknown:passed down generation through generation. And so taking
Unknown:responsibility for that, because there are certain things that
Unknown:maybe the screaming triggered fun, but it didn't really
Unknown:trigger me as much, right. And I mean, that's just an example.
Unknown:And why because the way that he grew up in the, what he's
Unknown:bringing his baggage, right.
Unknown:And that was evident, because I would look around at people that
Unknown:you didn't care that people were screaming, and I was like, I
Unknown:just did not bother them. And it bothered me. It was like,
Unknown:the noise. So yeah, taking responsibility for our triggers
Unknown:in our own stuff. And then also, number three years allowing all
Unknown:feelings to be valid. So one of the things that happens in
Unknown:relationships in traditional relationships is that we have
Unknown:this fantasy, the, you know, the Cinderella, happily ever after
Unknown:that, we're that when you're in a relationship, and I'm telling
Unknown:you, you know, we talked about us being together for we've been
Unknown:together for 22 years, is this idea that you're going to be
Unknown:happy every single day. And if you're not happy, then you're
Unknown:failing, you know, and your marriage is not successful, and
Unknown:you're not doing it right. And all of these limiting beliefs,
Unknown:and it's really going back to allowing, when you start
Unknown:learning about yourself, allowing and knowing that all
Unknown:feelings are valid for the person in front of you. And for
Unknown:you, it doesn't mean that the person is going to be
Unknown:disrespectful or hurtful, or, but if the person is mad, or sad
Unknown:or angry for whatever emotion they're going through, to make
Unknown:space for that, and then allow your emotions to also be
Unknown:witnessed and, and ask for help if you if you need to.
Unknown:And that I think one is a what I grew up with this conventional
Unknown:wisdom that you shouldn't go to bed angry. And that was like,
Unknown:something passed down as little pearls of wisdom from my mom and
Unknown:her grandmother. And I to wholeheartedly disagree with
Unknown:that. But it starts with feeling and recognizing that you're
Unknown:feeling angry, which is a challenge for a lot of guys. me
Unknown:specifically, we're just not taught that. So I think going
Unknown:back to the RE parenting concept and dealing with your own stuff
Unknown:concept. Really understanding and as a man being able to name
Unknown:your feelings and acknowledge them. So they you can make space
Unknown:for them and communicate them. And then you have to allow them
Unknown:to Leslie's point you may have to go to bed angry, you may feel
Unknown:like, gosh, I you know, I I want to make it better. And I don't
Unknown:know if I'm traveling tomorrow, so I don't want to leave angry.
Unknown:It's okay, you gotta let the anger be angry.
Unknown:So I'll give you a small example we about because of course
Unknown:having a conscious relationship does not mean you're not gonna
Unknown:argue. So we're gonna put that out there. So if you're thinking
Unknown:that this is a perfect relationship, it is not we it's
Unknown:not linear, just like life is not linear. But that's the point
Unknown:that you accept the ups and downs in different way. So about
Unknown:three weeks ago, I think we had a big argument I don't even
Unknown:remember what the argument was about. But it was really really
Unknown:big. And you know, we owe it talking about not going to bed
Unknown:angry. So we were like, in our bedroom. And oh, I think I
Unknown:remember now I'm doing I'm doing a lot of schoolwork and I'm
Unknown:always learning and wanting to expand in different ways and it
Unknown:just feeds my soul. I love it. But we have four kids and we
Unknown:both work and life gets crazy during the day. So sometimes at
Unknown:night, you know I bring my my studies into the bedroom, and
Unknown:one has communicated with me that You know, if you'd like for
Unknown:that to be us time, more than because he used to bring work
Unknown:in. And for me, I don't see it really as work because I see it
Unknown:as like rote. You know, it's like feeds my soul, like I said,
Unknown:but in listening to him, when I do, there is something that I do
Unknown:urgently have to do. And I just did not have a moment because
Unknown:there was tons of tantrums and things happening that were
Unknown:crazy. You know, I talked to him and say, Hey, I really need to
Unknown:finish this. This is the only time this is when my house is
Unknown:quiet. Because when I the work that I do, I'm in flow. And when
Unknown:you're interrupted, it's really hard to be in flow. And that
Unknown:day, Quan was not okay with that. And he said, no, like,
Unknown:this is our time. And anyway, we went back and forth, but then
Unknown:other things came up, we were both tired. It's like 1130 at
Unknown:night, you know? So he started saying some things. And then I
Unknown:started seeing them from my perspective, which was totally
Unknown:different from what he meant. And we've just kind of like bump
Unknown:up. And then our son ended up coming in, or 11 year old. And
Unknown:he came in and he said, Do you want some child wisdom? He's
Unknown:like, You guys either need to take a break, or go on an
Unknown:adventure together. But I need you to stop fighting, you know?
Unknown:Oh, my goodness.
Unknown:Well, so it reinforced the concept of savills, right? Your
Unknown:company, right was a children's Savio. speed's
Unknown:was one flies once and you know, our children are our wise ones.
Unknown:So shouldn't
Unknown:have to come in. And that was not okay.
Unknown:Which we've now talked about each other. But the point to
Unknown:this is that when we realized, Oh, my goodness, I travel
Unknown:the next day, and we stay angry for a few days. So love it.
Unknown:Yeah. So
Unknown:he left the next day. And I said, Please don't write me a
Unknown:wall of text on chat about you being upset, because there's not
Unknown:going to be productive on chat. We, when you read something on
Unknown:chat, you read what you think you want to read, and not really
Unknown:what the person has meaning, right. So it gave us four days
Unknown:to just kind of you No, not be in fight or flight and come in,
Unknown:I had therapy. During that time, we both journaled, we were
Unknown:ready. When we saw each other, we went on a date to the beach,
Unknown:there was no interruptions, we weren't at a restaurant or
Unknown:anything. And we were able to then listen and communicate so
Unknown:and allow the feelings. So anyway, that was a long rant
Unknown:about, you know, just allowing in making space for all feelings
Unknown:to be valid.
Maureen Spielman:Well, I love that because I was before we
Maureen Spielman:met, I was thinking about how do you repair? When there's a
Maureen Spielman:rupture? How do you repair and that the allowance seems to be a
Maureen Spielman:big a big, and you spoke your mind what you needed to ask for
Maureen Spielman:Leslie? And say, like this would this is not going to work for me
Maureen Spielman:right now. So Juan, you mentioned mentioned
Maureen Spielman:communication earlier, that communicate because I think that
Maureen Spielman:that communication is such a huge piece. And just
Unknown:you communicate I'm sorry, interrupt. Leslie, you
Unknown:know, we were going back and forth and and know what we're
Unknown:talking about how to communicate. And there's always
Unknown:you have to communicate from allowing for what would love
Unknown:say? What would love say in the situation? And how would love to
Unknown:speak because because you can't come at it from just from from a
Unknown:factual standpoint, and you obviously have to have
Unknown:compassion for each other. So I think it's an important element
Unknown:to give yourself that space and allow enough that for processing
Unknown:to be able to engage from a place where you can actually
Unknown:answer the question, how would love in this, what would love
Unknown:say in this situation, right? It's
Maureen Spielman:beautiful. It makes me think, when you were at
Maureen Spielman:your crossroads, and you made your really intentions to come
Maureen Spielman:together in the way you have. Did you sit down and create any
Maureen Spielman:sort of agreement? Or was that all in conversation? Or how did
Maureen Spielman:that look for you, you know, like, moving forward? Because
Maureen Spielman:one that was such a beautiful example of leading with
Maureen Spielman:compassion leading with from that heart centered space?
Unknown:We did. Yeah, we did. But it came from a different
Unknown:place. It was like one said, What would love say and it came
Unknown:from a place, I did an exercise, I work very closely with him
Unknown:know who you know, and we help each other when we're going
Unknown:through things and we did an exercise where we kind of went
Unknown:above the situation, not mountaintop per se but just
Unknown:above the situation and was able to go into his energy and see
Unknown:how he was feeling and then go into my energy and see how I was
Unknown:feeling and it really gave perspective of not judging the
Unknown:other but just witnessing the feelings and then witnessing my
Unknown:feelings so that then I could go and repair Write those, and then
Unknown:communicate with him, hey, these things don't sit well with me.
Unknown:But then it's not coming from a place of blame or reactivity or
Unknown:reactivity is when we're in playing. And this is for all,
Unknown:you know, partnerships to know when we're in blame, we're an
Unknown:inner child, there's no, so it was coming from a place of deep,
Unknown:yeah, of a heart wisdom. And that reminds me there's, there's
Unknown:a quote that I love by Rumi that I just pulled up that says, Your
Unknown:task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all
Unknown:the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.
Unknown:And so we build these barriers, we're wearing relationship,
Unknown:stories, we'll build these stories, and then we look for
Unknown:love and look for love. But we forget to come back. And so when
Unknown:we were able to both come back, then we could, yes, we then came
Unknown:to an agreement of certain things that we want to do
Unknown:differently, and how we can do that.
Unknown:Yeah, but I think you also meant when you asked about the
Unknown:Crossroads kind of a bigger picture in our relationship,
Unknown:right? Not just in this kind of particular argument. Right, we
Unknown:can also do that came together, and we agreed to have, you know,
Unknown:kind of intentional touchpoints. To, to check in with each other
Unknown:on how we were feeling in the relationship. We, you know, we
Unknown:try to do it often. Just at the end of the day, you know, did
Unknown:you feel seen? Did you feel heard? You know, yeah, we asked
Unknown:to speak your language, your love language today, you know,
Unknown:little things like that, that help us just tweaked it a day.
Unknown:But also, we have had a few meetings really where we sit
Unknown:down and just ask check in, how are you feeling, you know, and
Unknown:the idea is not to get So, so far that coming together
Unknown:requires a big shift, right, just to try to keep the parallel
Unknown:lines not intersecting, we're never going to meet right, we're
Unknown:always going to be on a journey together. But to try to keep
Unknown:that distance, you know, within something that that feels like,
Unknown:we're not falling asleep at the wheel, right? Kind of how I feel
Unknown:I have when we were just kind of like, we're on the super long
Unknown:drive. And like, you just kind of fell asleep at the wheel
Unknown:needed to like wake up and figure out the road had gone
Unknown:into trash? Well,
Unknown:it's, and this leads into the number four of the five things
Unknown:that we were talking about, in terms of a conscious
Unknown:relationship is practicing love with presence, right? And when
Unknown:we when we decided, okay, we're going to stay in this
Unknown:relationship, it is in the now that we stay for as much as we
Unknown:can. And so that's when we looked into you know, if there
Unknown:are stories coming in, or expectations or different things
Unknown:we know that we're not we're in the past or in the future,
Unknown:right. So then coming back and centering ourselves in the now
Unknown:and practicing love. Is that sounds funny, because you're
Unknown:like, well, love just is and it is but we have to practice it in
Unknown:relationship because things happen. And we get caught up in
Unknown:the day or in parenthood or in work and if you are not
Unknown:intentional about practicing love and you know, witnessing
Unknown:the other can get like he said the instead of being parallel
Unknown:lines, we are perpendicular, and we started going different
Unknown:directions.
Maureen Spielman:Yeah, beautiful. Yeah. Did was Did you
Maureen Spielman:have another one? Leslie? Oh, just yeah,
Unknown:the number five, you know, we talked number one was
Unknown:always prioritize our own growth, and then the growth of
Unknown:the partnership and, and the collective growth. Number two
Unknown:was taking responsibility for our own stuff, and triggers.
Unknown:Number three
Unknown:was you all the feel
Unknown:you feel is valid. And it's not a fantasy, you know, or rather,
Unknown:thinking everything is going to be always Happily Ever After is
Unknown:a fantasy. And number four, practice love with presence. And
Unknown:the fifth is to play and bring in play. So we one of the things
Unknown:that we try to do is when we do have dates, and we have to be
Unknown:very intentional about making time because of our busy lives
Unknown:and so many children. But when we do we think about play in
Unknown:side by side or face to face. So we either do activities that are
Unknown:side by side, like walks yoga, we do yoga together or exercise
Unknown:every morning. We both meditate, though we're not meditating to
Unknown:get we're meditating at the same time, but maybe in a different
Unknown:room. But we both are in our process in these parallel lines.
Unknown:And we do things face to face like going on dates or talking
Unknown:to each other. You know, or eye gazing sometimes yesterday we
Unknown:were we were having fun with it because we're like imagine I
Unknown:gazing for five minutes I will
Unknown:see how to process where she was kind of asked to give a talk
Unknown:about it. And that was one of our points was, you know, I gaze
Unknown:for five minutes. I
Unknown:said one minute I imagine that anyways, you don't feel safe and
Unknown:then that's totally It's okay. You know, okay. But yeah,
Unknown:playing in the relationship will take dance classes together, or
Unknown:you know, something that's, that's fun. Sometimes she
Unknown:invites me to do these ballet fitness classes. They're really
Unknown:fun. Our daughter love to watch me do it. But you know, I mean,
Unknown:it's just another example of like, just California, right?
Unknown:Yes.
Maureen Spielman:And saying yes. When you say yes to the
Maureen Spielman:invitation to play it saying yes to the relationship. It was
Maureen Spielman:funny, because earlier, I was thinking of a question. And I
Maureen Spielman:was thinking about the keys to the relationship. And I, and I
Maureen Spielman:thought, you know, for the lasting relationship, but then I
Maureen Spielman:stopped myself for a moment, because I thought, you know, do
Maureen Spielman:I really, is that necessary to include if, Leslie to your point
Maureen Spielman:for number four, that presencing. And being of the
Maureen Spielman:moment in the moment, you know, we don't need to cast to the
Maureen Spielman:future just to write because we put so much on things just
Maureen Spielman:practice in the in the moment in the days, I think one of you
Maureen Spielman:said, I think Ron, you did in something relation to something
Maureen Spielman:else, we make a choice every day. And we make a choice in how
Maureen Spielman:we show up? And yeah,
Unknown:the future is made up of all the right now, right? I
Unknown:mean, so many things can happen and day to day basis, that I
Unknown:think the the key is just the the weight of the expectation,
Unknown:and the the tacit, kind of, I don't know how you call it
Unknown:taking it for granted. Vnus maybe, like, Oh, we've just
Unknown:committed to always be together so I can fall asleep at the
Unknown:wheel. Because, like, that's what we agreed. And, and that is
Unknown:something we also talked about, we talked about, you know, kind
Unknown:of creating these blocks of now's and coming back at those
Unknown:checkpoints, and just being open to the concept that it's not
Unknown:forever.
Unknown:Those might change, right?
Unknown:That like I always tell us the, that I've loved her since
Unknown:always, because that's how I feel right? My soul feels like
Unknown:I've always loved her. But it doesn't mean it has to be
Unknown:forever, you know, or look the same
Unknown:or look the same. In fact, we've so we've fallen in love with the
Unknown:same person in a different way. Right? Love Esther Perel, which
Unknown:you might know, she's a relationship, sexologist and
Unknown:psychologist. And she talks about how many times she's
Unknown:fallen in love with her husband in different ways, right.
Unknown:And but that doesn't have to happen. It doesn't have to be
Unknown:we, we used to live for 2030 years now we live for 90, right?
Unknown:For that, right. And we also on this path of growth and change,
Unknown:and all this stuff happens. And so you just have to enjoy right
Unknown:now.
Unknown:One of the things that make it for No, when I have couples come
Unknown:to me clients, and they say I'm just looking to see how I can
Unknown:reconnect with my partner, one of the shifts that we do is that
Unknown:the word reconnect is already in past or future, because you're
Unknown:looking to connect like you used to, you want to reconnect, or
Unknown:you want to reconnect so that in the future, it looks different.
Unknown:And then we take away the emphasis of the now. So what
Unknown:would it look like if we instead of we say, you know, I'm looking
Unknown:to reconnect and looking to connect, because we come up with
Unknown:a now so connect and that's what we were trying to do. It's not
Unknown:easy all the time. I'm not saying it's you know, it's it's
Unknown:intentional. We have to be reminded a lot of times we love
Unknown:this conversation because it brought us to Hey, how are we
Unknown:you know, and having this this conversation
Unknown:that made us revisit some of these things? It was thank you
Unknown:for the opportunity to do that because because it was
Maureen Spielman:fun. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for being here. And
Maureen Spielman:it's it's so inspiring and, and a full of possibilities for
Maureen Spielman:anyone listening today. Women man, I hope that it's shared
Maureen Spielman:really widely because I just think it has so much promise for
Maureen Spielman:relationships and coming to ourselves just that's the
Maureen Spielman:message come to ourselves to come to another. Leslie, if
Maureen Spielman:you'd like to share I always just like to end on where can
Maureen Spielman:people find you because I know they're gonna want to look and
Maureen Spielman:find you and Edwin,
Unknown:thank you. So you can find me on Instagram at Savio.
Unknown:That's S A B I O S parenting fabulous parenting. I'm also on
Unknown:savills parenting.com and launching a new course for
Unknown:mothers called the ever evolving mother which you can find at
Unknown:savills parenting.com/em forever about another Yeah, and you can
Unknown:always direct message me or email me through my website. I'd
Unknown:love to meet new people and and work with different you know, my
Unknown:clients ultimately are my teachers as well and we're all
Unknown:in this together. So thank you okay to
Unknown:me by finding her.
Unknown:I invite him to might
Unknown:be a resource share my journey. And if I can answer, you know,
Unknown:questions or you know, through the stuff that I've managed or
Unknown:dealt with, or worked through or are working through, provide any
Unknown:sense of compassion for someone that's doing the same. I'm happy
Unknown:to do that.
Maureen Spielman:I love it. Thank you what a generous
Maureen Spielman:offering. It's been wonderful. And we'll put everything in the
Maureen Spielman:show notes, any kind of resources. And lastly, I love
Maureen Spielman:the ever evolving mother name. When I saw that on Instagram, I
Maureen Spielman:thought, Oh, it's so beautiful, so beautiful. So thank you for
Maureen Spielman:being here. Thank you to the listeners for being here. Please
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