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Annmarie Chereso is a Transformational Coach who has worked extensively with parents and children, reminding them of the power of presence, understanding relational dynamics, and feeling their feelings. Her parenting work extended from having a blended family of 9 children and her mindfulness and coaching business. She is here to support not only parents and teens but women interested in being their true self as they move through midlife with ease and grace. Annmarie is such a divine guide to hold this role, in this lifetime, and I know you’ll love so many moments of this interview.
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In her playful, heart-centered approach Transformational coach, Annmarie midwifes you through the expansions and contractions of fear to love, inspires you to see clearly and empowers you to let go of your conditioned beliefs so that you can reach your full potential, experience unconditional love and find true freedom in your relationships and in your life. With more than two decades of expertise, Annmarie has trained people around the globe through online courses, coaching, speaking, workshops and retreats.
Over the course of her career, she has had the good fortune of training with master teachers such as Jon Kabat Zinn, Jack Kornfeild, Thich Nhat Hahn, Daniel Rechsteffan and Susan Kaiser Greenland, Martha Beck, The Conscious Leadership Group and many more. She lives in Chicago with her husband and together they raise their blended family of 9.
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Hello and welcome back to mystical
Maureen Spielman:sisterhood. This is your host, Maureen Spielman. And today I
Maureen Spielman:sit down with Anne Marie Teresa. And Marie is a transformational
Maureen Spielman:coach who started really in mindfulness 10 plus years ago.
Maureen Spielman:She sees it as a thread that's been part of her life story. I
Maureen Spielman:met her when I was setting up social emotional programming for
Maureen Spielman:my local school, and she was on the speaker series. So she
Maureen Spielman:brings her wisdom and her life experiences to this conversation
Maureen Spielman:today. She supports parents and teens and women on a journey of
Maureen Spielman:reclaiming their most authentic selves. And most recently
Maureen Spielman:working with women who are interested in stepping into a
Maureen Spielman:long forgotten role of Matriarch in our culture. I think you'll
Maureen Spielman:find this conversation really fascinating. And I'll see you in
Maureen Spielman:that episode. As always, thank you for being here. Hey there,
Maureen Spielman:welcome to mystical sisterhood. This is your host, Maureen
Maureen Spielman:Spielman. I started the show to highlight the intuitives,
Maureen Spielman:healers and other courageous women that I've met along my
Maureen Spielman:journey and continue to meet. Through amazing interviews, I
Maureen Spielman:seek to ask insightful questions to uncover ways in which you the
Maureen Spielman:listener can apply the wisdom and knowledge to your own life.
Maureen Spielman:I believe that we're all in this together. So sharing healing and
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Maureen Spielman:mystical sisterhood.com See you in the episode.
Maureen Spielman:Welcome back to mystical sisterhood. This is your host,
Maureen Spielman:Maureen Spielman. And today I sit down with Anne Marie
Maureen Spielman:Cerrito. And I'm very, very excited for this conversation.
Maureen Spielman:And Marie is a transformational life coach. And she has a wealth
Maureen Spielman:of experience working with children, teens, families,
Maureen Spielman:schools, communities, around mindfulness, and a lot of
Maureen Spielman:tangents that come from mindfulness presencing, being
Maureen Spielman:with ourselves, getting to know ourselves, showing up as
Maureen Spielman:authentically as we can, I'm just kind of going with the
Maureen Spielman:spirit of who you are. And Marie, and I'll tell the
Maureen Spielman:listeners, I first met you what was probably, I guess, 10 years
Maureen Spielman:ago, plus, maybe even. And I, along with a friend had formed a
Maureen Spielman:group in our local school called Connect for kids. And it was a
Maureen Spielman:North Shore alliance that held a speaker series that we were able
Maureen Spielman:to go to, and I believe that's where we first met. And you were
Maureen Spielman:in the beginning, I feel like the career that we'll talk about
Maureen Spielman:today has taken you on a steady path, but one that's had, you
Maureen Spielman:know, roads that go in different directions to as you discover
Maureen Spielman:where you're your skill set your expertise, your wisdom, your
Maureen Spielman:life experiences are needed, and how that's changed and grown for
Maureen Spielman:you over time. But I'll just say welcome with those few welcoming
Maureen Spielman:words.
Annmaria Chereso:Thank you so much, gosh, it's crazy to think
Annmaria Chereso:about when I say things, or when I hear you talk about, like,
Annmaria Chereso:over 10 years ago, and like how it almost feels like
Annmaria Chereso:simultaneously a minute ago, and the way that life is happening
Annmaria Chereso:so quickly.
Maureen Spielman:Yeah. Yeah. And it's, I couldn't agree more
Maureen Spielman:I can remember that time and the endeavors that we were both
Maureen Spielman:embarking on that was, was that the beginning of your career?
Maureen Spielman:And sort of a new line of work for you
Unknown:know, that that wasn't it? It was probably those seeds
Unknown:were planted probably, well, a decade before that, but I can
Unknown:even go back in my, like psyche or my consciousness and find
Unknown:them way, way back into my own childhood into the like, you can
Unknown:see the seeds, how they've been planted over time and how
Unknown:they're gently guiding you in the right direction or a
Unknown:direction. I don't even know if I want to call it the right
Unknown:direction, but an aligned direction.
Maureen Spielman:Yeah. So what did that what kind of through
Maureen Spielman:lines or threads do you see for yourself?
Unknown:Like I can remember really odd things like as a
Unknown:child being drawn to things like Jim Mastix and I remember having
Unknown:a book, it was called calisthenics. And it was like
Unknown:this hardcover blue book. And I just remember, like, like,
Unknown:feeling like I was that that book was for me, you know, and
Unknown:really where that was when I was probably 10 years old or
Unknown:something. So I was really, really young. And where that's
Unknown:eventually led me is to this yoga path. And then the yoga
Unknown:path led me to a meditation path and a meditation path led me to
Unknown:consciousness path and a consciousness path led me to a
Unknown:spiritual path and spiritual path led me to a mystical path
Unknown:and energetic path and all these things that were like, you know,
Unknown:lily pads on the, on the pond. So ultimately, I think, if you
Unknown:look back on your life, and really trust that it's leading
Unknown:you.
Maureen Spielman:Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it reminds me, I think
Maureen Spielman:I said on an earlier, like an early podcast, but I think of
Maureen Spielman:what comes to mind for me is when I got off my path, and I
Maureen Spielman:studied, I started studying nursing when I got to college.
Maureen Spielman:And that's probably more in alignment with me, but I wasn't
Maureen Spielman:sure if I wanted to do it, because it meant that I had to
Maureen Spielman:leave the campus, I was studying to go to the medical school in
Maureen Spielman:another city. And so I said, Well, I'm not gonna do that. And
Maureen Spielman:then I went into political science and even worked on
Maureen Spielman:Capitol Hill for just a little bit. And that wasn't my
Maureen Spielman:direction. And I sometimes think, like, what was that, but
Maureen Spielman:maybe it was just for discernment, or to let allow me
Maureen Spielman:to see if it was for me. And then I came back, and I went
Maureen Spielman:into speech pathology. So always, it is true that life
Maureen Spielman:does guide us in keeps on inviting us forward as to what
Maureen Spielman:our purpose and path is.
Unknown:Yeah. And I would say, you know, you and I both have
Unknown:young adult kids, and they're navigating this time in life,
Unknown:right, like, what's next? And where am I headed? And, you
Unknown:know, someone laid out the path for me for 20 some odd years.
Unknown:And now here I am at 22 years old, and where do I go? And what
Unknown:do I do? And how do I cover up my own path? And, and there is
Unknown:this sense, I'm sensing, I sense it in my kids as they've
Unknown:navigated these stages, but it's like, what's the right thing to
Unknown:do? And I would say, like you taking that quote, unquote,
Unknown:diversion is perfect. And everything's perfect. And
Unknown:everything is here guiding us, even when we find it
Unknown:uncomfortable, or especially when we find it uncomfortable.
Unknown:So it's funny, because my daughter just graduated college
Unknown:in May. And she's, you know, she's figuring things out. And
Unknown:it's really uncomfortable. And someone said, Well, you know,
Unknown:what are you doing while she's so uncomfortable? And I, you
Unknown:know, I said, I'm wishing for the greatest amount of
Unknown:discomfort,
Unknown:out hoping for the most possible suffering,
Unknown:such that she can really wake herself up to what her soul is
Unknown:calling her towards. And I don't know if that is I have no idea
Unknown:what
Maureen Spielman:that is. Exactly. We don't know. And you
Maureen Spielman:are able, I'm guessing a lot of people would not wish that. But
Maureen Spielman:you are based on I think your practices I'm projecting or, but
Maureen Spielman:is that you have the ability to hold space for that discomfort.
Maureen Spielman:And I think if we kind of today, I want to talk about like, your
Maureen Spielman:work around parenting, because I think that there's some
Maureen Spielman:important things to say you have very a bigger family because
Maureen Spielman:it's a blended family. You said three children of your own and I
Maureen Spielman:think six national. So you have you have many young adults, you
Maureen Spielman:are guiding, plus all your training and everything and then
Maureen Spielman:weave into your current work with women. But yeah, I mean,
Maureen Spielman:what comes to mind to you when you think about the children
Maureen Spielman:we're raising today, and some have almost the skill set or
Maureen Spielman:ways of being that we were being more invited to be in as
Maureen Spielman:parents? Yeah, yeah.
Unknown:I think that's a really great question. I think I've
Unknown:spent the last 25 years trying to figure that out and uncover
Unknown:that right? Because I don't know about you, but 26 years ago,
Unknown:when I first became pregnant with my first child, which is,
Unknown:or actually I was about to give birth to my first child. I got
Unknown:the books. And I'm like, I'm gonna read about this thing
Unknown:called parenting. And I'm going to be the best parent I can be.
Unknown:And I'm going to I want the guidebook I got What to Expect
Unknown:When You're Expecting and I like highlight it and tagged it and
Unknown:book Mark didn't, you know, and I was going to do this parenting
Unknown:thing, right? And trying to figure that out for the last
Unknown:five years. And, and what I got with like, it's not about
Unknown:parenting. It's just about like, How can I step more deeply into
Unknown:the most authentic expression of unconditional love, that I can
Unknown:be in any given moment in relationship to anyone on the
Unknown:planet? Yeah, my kids are really like, my greatest teachers to
Unknown:trigger me to wake me up to poke me to prod me to, you know, just
Unknown:show me the way Yeah. And so for a long time, my attention and my
Unknown:work in the world was around like conscious parenting, how to
Unknown:be the best conscious parent almost. And then all of a
Unknown:sudden, I got with like, Oh, that's not it at all. That's not
Unknown:all we're up to, we're here to do. Like, this isn't about me
Unknown:being a particular way. Or it is about me being a particular way.
Unknown:It's not me being the perfect parent, so that my kids are a
Unknown:particular way it's about Yeah, we being just my most authentic,
Unknown:most aligned most alive self, and inviting others into that
Unknown:energetic space, so that they too can step into their most
Unknown:lighted, you know, aligned, energetic self. So,
Maureen Spielman:so beautiful. And I think that's a really
Maureen Spielman:important point, that as the different kind of, you know, I
Maureen Spielman:was trained in Dr. Shefali is conscious parenting, but it's
Maureen Spielman:not an end game. It's not a it's not a place of perfection. And
Maureen Spielman:it's not. Because with that, if we're holding ourselves up to
Maureen Spielman:this ideal of what that looks like, or what we're creating it
Maureen Spielman:to look like, can create a lot of shame, too. And I think what
Maureen Spielman:you're saying is that frickin hard. And their kids are our
Maureen Spielman:teachers. And they lead us to our inner wisdom. And so when
Maureen Spielman:you say, the unconditional love for others, I'm guessing that
Maureen Spielman:that's been also worked for yourself.
Unknown:Of course, yeah. Yeah. Like, of course, you know, and
Unknown:there's this, this, this thread of motherhood that, as we're
Unknown:both entering the, you know, middle stages of life, right? So
Unknown:I'm mothering children, or even children, young adult children,
Unknown:and then there's your, your aging parents. And then there's
Unknown:your relationship to your significant other, if there is
Unknown:one. And then there's the friendships and like there's,
Unknown:there's a way in which there's this matriarch matriarchal
Unknown:energy coming forward, that has been stripped away, in service
Unknown:of showing up the way that the collective and the cultural
Unknown:norms have had claimed we are to be, and we're forgetting or have
Unknown:forgotten, the true power that's within us, as women, as mothers
Unknown:as matriarchs, in our family systems. And it's not about
Unknown:being perfect. It's about loving perfectly. It's about holding
Unknown:boundaries beautifully. It's about really owning your power
Unknown:in the most magical and magnificent ways. And that like
Unknown:reclaiming that, stepping back into our light, that's the gift.
Maureen Spielman:That's, that's luscious. Yeah, I love that. And
Maureen Spielman:then when you were talking about, you know, how we've been
Maureen Spielman:trained away from it, I find myself going back through the
Maureen Spielman:decades, like when did that begin? When did that begin, and
Maureen Spielman:like my mind's going back through the 80s, the 70s. That's
Maureen Spielman:right. And you just go back and back and back when that like a
Maureen Spielman:modern culture in a way that maybe it's the industrialized,
Maureen Spielman:I'm not a specialist in this, but through every passing year
Maureen Spielman:and decade, cultures just weighed in more and more and
Maureen Spielman:more. And it's reclaiming. I've had so many conversations
Maureen Spielman:recently about getting back to what's essential. I mean, when,
Maureen Spielman:when it's like if I speak for myself, I pick up a lot of books
Maureen Spielman:that are nonfiction. And I love that and that's beautiful and
Maureen Spielman:everything, but man do I miss sitting down with a novel? And
Maureen Spielman:just I come from, you know, sisters, and my mom was a big
Maureen Spielman:reader and we used it that was just communal for us and we
Maureen Spielman:would share the titles and we would discuss them. And it was
Maureen Spielman:simple and it was easy, but you know Just even in that kind of
Maureen Spielman:shared experience, the giving and the receiving and the, the
Maureen Spielman:essential essentialism, the simplicity, I love that. And I
Maureen Spielman:think that there's a real callback for it right now.
Unknown:Oh, there has been for so, so long, and culture has
Unknown:sort of stripped us away from that. Just think about our
Unknown:lifestyle, it's like, wake up, get up, get the kids out the
Unknown:door, or wherever you're at your stage in life, it's like Get up,
Unknown:get out the door, go, go, go, go come home, you know, make a meal
Unknown:workout, do whatever it's like, there's the there's this like
Unknown:rushing energy. That's sort of at the root that weaving into
Unknown:our lives, there's very little being spaces to just be, and
Unknown:were stripped of community, stripped of connection to each
Unknown:other. We've been put into a competitive culture where it's
Unknown:me against you, rather than a we like, how can we support one
Unknown:another? So there's all sorts of ways and, and that's, that
Unknown:that's sort of like bleeding into all areas of our culture?
Maureen Spielman:Yeah. Yeah. And so I'm thinking, while I'm
Maureen Spielman:thinking of women in us taking the space and the time for
Maureen Spielman:ourselves, and I'm also thinking of that wisdom we hold as we do
Maureen Spielman:guide if one is guiding the next generation. And if we are
Maureen Spielman:rediscovering and remembering ancient kind of tools. Yeah,
Maureen Spielman:we're always within us, you know, what is there for us to
Maureen Spielman:kind of cultivate and hand down to this very, very modernized
Maureen Spielman:generation coming up? Yeah.
Unknown:Well, there's, there's one of the things I used to say
Unknown:to parents that I work with, and I say to, to everyone I work
Unknown:with now is like the real experts actually within so you
Unknown:can go buy a million books and read a million books, which
Unknown:raise your hand if you've done that, I've done that. And, and
Unknown:that wisdom is important. It's important, but it's important to
Unknown:the to the importance of that is reading something because it's
Unknown:resonating back to a truth within you. So it's reminding
Unknown:you a truth it's within you. It's not that no XYZ author know
Unknown:some truth that they've now just somehow bestowed upon me, are
Unknown:you? It is oh, it's It's waking me up. It's waking my sister's
Unknown:waking. Her words are waking up, his words are waking me up. And
Unknown:we are here are to wake each other up. Yeah, that's what
Unknown:we're here to do. And sometimes that looks like a gentle nudge.
Unknown:And sometimes it looks like a pope. And sometimes it looks
Unknown:like smack across the face. Whatever, like, love will show
Unknown:us the way love will show us how to wake one another how to wake
Unknown:ourselves up. If we're willing to trust, trust that path and
Unknown:follow.
Maureen Spielman:Oh, yeah, I love it. Do you see through your
Maureen Spielman:act of work with people, whether it be through the parenting or
Maureen Spielman:women now? Do you see things changing? Do you find that
Maureen Spielman:there's a new opening occurring? Or what are you kind of seeing?
Unknown:I I'm seeing Well, it's interesting with the young
Unknown:people that I talked to, there's, there's like a if
Unknown:you're if you're watching this on YouTube, you can see me but
Unknown:like, describe it with words. There's like an angst there's
Unknown:like a breaking out, right? Like, something like that.
Unknown:There's like, there's like a shell. And it's like the chicken
Unknown:inside the shell or something. And it's just trying to crack
Unknown:out and there's like, Yeah, whatever, whatever has been
Unknown:created isn't quite, it's not fitting me. Yeah, that's what
Unknown:I'm seeing happening. You know, and for years, I used to say to
Unknown:parents, you know, your kids who are not falling into the
Unknown:traditional paradigm, they there's an actually like, we
Unknown:have to stop looking at what's wrong with them and start
Unknown:looking at what's wrong with us in this culture. Right, like,
Unknown:what's going on that this culture is creating so much
Unknown:stress, so much anxiety, so much depressant, depression, so much
Unknown:resistance from the young people like the young people are here
Unknown:to wake us up? Yeah, absolutely. Whatever's going on over there.
Unknown:By the way, it's not working. Look, look at what you did.
Unknown:Look, it's I
Maureen Spielman:so agree with you. And I feel like they are
Maureen Spielman:saying that and it's showing up in their anxiety. It's showing
Maureen Spielman:up in different mental states emotional, you know, crises
Maureen Spielman:really. And I think we are kind of, I don't know as parents
Maureen Spielman:torchbearers, their, their Messengers for it. But I feel
Maureen Spielman:like I know for myself, it is standing up to the system to
Maureen Spielman:because we begin, it doesn't mean you have to be an activist
Maureen Spielman:and have to, you know, crusade like, I think I used to do a
Maureen Spielman:little bit more trying to change systems. But even individually
Maureen Spielman:speaking up for what's right with for our children, and I,
Maureen Spielman:and I don't know from the teacher perspective, if they're
Maureen Spielman:starting to hear more voices, because I, I'm having more
Maureen Spielman:conversations from parents who are tuned in and beginning to
Maureen Spielman:tune in and beginning to be willing to listen to what they
Maureen Spielman:what their child has to say, which is so incredibly
Maureen Spielman:important.
Unknown:Yeah, I think that listening, like listening,
Unknown:deeply listening, with all three centers of your intelligence,
Unknown:that thing that women like, are really good at. So we're really,
Unknown:really good at listening beyond the words and tuning into the
Unknown:energy that's coming forward, all of us can do that, with our
Unknown:bodies, and with other beings on the planet, so me that our
Unknown:children or significant relationships or anyone in the
Unknown:world, like we, we have this great ability to be attuned to
Unknown:it all attuned to all of life. Because the center of creation
Unknown:lives within us. Right. So we are attuned to that. Yeah. So
Unknown:when we, when we're deeply trusting ourselves when we're
Unknown:deeply listening to ourselves, and blocking out the noise of
Unknown:the culture and and then tuning into what's in right
Unknown:relationship. That requires some courage. Because it does mean
Unknown:saying no, to this, like whole, like, onslaught of yeses, right?
Unknown:Everyone around us is saying one thing, and we're saying, wait a
Unknown:minute, that's not quite so right. And I want to do it
Unknown:differently. And then you're getting all the pushback of
Unknown:like, well, no, you can't. And here's why. And so I think it's
Unknown:really important. So you asked the question, What am I getting
Unknown:from who I'm talking to these days? I think the women I'm
Unknown:talking to particularly us who have entered this mid stage of
Unknown:life, right? We're like, looking back onto the last, you know,
Unknown:half of our life and looking forward to the next future. And
Unknown:we can see more clearly, we can sort of see that what's been
Unknown:happening hasn't necessarily always been of service. And
Unknown:where I'm headed, I'm not sure the culture is going to take me
Unknown:there. In so something new has to be created. If we want to
Unknown:create a new outcome, a different.
Maureen Spielman:Yeah. Yeah. So beautiful. Such a beautiful
Maureen Spielman:invitation. Gary, yeah, yeah. And we've been, we've been
Maureen Spielman:cultured to think that we always need to turn to our mind to find
Maureen Spielman:out the answers. And what you're saying, I hear you saying it's
Maureen Spielman:probably a combination, but really moving into the heart
Maureen Spielman:space and your divine intelligence. And what you know,
Maureen Spielman:I was, it went in what you were just sharing to, I was reminded
Maureen Spielman:of how we began of sitting with someone else's pain. I mean, in
Maureen Spielman:my training is a lot about sitting with your own emotions.
Maureen Spielman:And I know when I was looking through just your bullet points
Maureen Spielman:on your online course of feeling your feelings, you know, it's
Maureen Spielman:really honoring. I feel like when I was younger, I always
Maureen Spielman:used to hear Mind Body Spirit. But I was attracted to it. But
Maureen Spielman:he didn't really have a sense of what it really was. Yeah. And we
Maureen Spielman:are truly multi dimensional beings we are. And I think we're
Maureen Spielman:meant to operate from all of these places that we are maybe
Maureen Spielman:equally
Unknown:for the mind is not the master. And I would say when I
Unknown:first started studying mindfulness, I just didn't get
Unknown:it. I was like, I don't understand what does it be
Unknown:present? And I'm sitting there and I'm doing it. And I'm doing
Unknown:it. It took me a few years until I finally got it. And it sort of
Unknown:takes time, right to unwind the workings of the
Maureen Spielman:Manas. Yes.
Unknown:And then it takes a little bit more time to drop in
Unknown:to the heart.
Maureen Spielman:Yeah. Yeah. And thanks for sharing that
Maureen Spielman:though. Anne Marie, the part about that you didn't get it for
Maureen Spielman:a while because I think it's such an unraveling, to get to
Maureen Spielman:the space of our emotions and what we're feeling in our body
Maureen Spielman:and sort of learning the teachings because like You were
Maureen Spielman:saying like when we pick up all those beautiful nonfiction
Maureen Spielman:books, they're full of information that touch and light
Maureen Spielman:and bring that light forward within us. Another thing that
Maureen Spielman:came to mind when you were speaking in that segment was, I
Maureen Spielman:often think that when I read some of those books, whether
Maureen Spielman:it's Eckhart Tolle or Wayne Dyer, Caroline Meese, whoever it
Maureen Spielman:is, that they're channeling the information because it seems so
Maureen Spielman:divine when I'm reading it, yeah, but the we're all
Maureen Spielman:channeling information all the time. So let's not put ourselves
Maureen Spielman:as inferior to others, just because that channeling like
Maureen Spielman:we're perceiving it a certain way. One thing that AI is a
Maureen Spielman:guiding light for me for the podcast, and I didn't know this,
Maureen Spielman:and I started inviting people. I think today, I think you're
Maureen Spielman:around like the 39th or 40th episode. But what I was
Maureen Spielman:realizing that we're gurus were amongst us, and that we are all
Maureen Spielman:gurus and you just said something to that fact like the
Maureen Spielman:the We Are The Creator within. So I mean, let's, for the
Maureen Spielman:audience, let's talk about that. And just that we are all the
Maureen Spielman:Guru's we have the answers we, you know, we can we can bring in
Maureen Spielman:whatever we need. But we also can be looking within ourselves.
Unknown:Yeah, I think that's the most important lesson I
Unknown:think I've learned, yeah. And my life to date. And I expect there
Unknown:to be many, many, many more unfolding. But it is like the
Unknown:gurus in here, I have all the answers. I just have to get all
Unknown:the doubts and the fears, and the garbage and the gunk, and
Unknown:the programming and the culture, all of that out of the way. So
Unknown:that I'm available to hear the wisdom that's in here. And
Unknown:that's not an easy thing to do in our culture. That's just not
Unknown:an easy thing to do. So I want to honor that piece too, which
Unknown:is why community is so important. It's why practice is
Unknown:so important. It's why creating safe spaces to to remember is so
Unknown:important. Because we have plugged ourselves back in
Maureen Spielman:well, and I think the deep need is is seen
Maureen Spielman:as well because I always say this but years ago, a former
Maureen Spielman:guest, Susan Lucci. She held circles in my town, it was
Maureen Spielman:probably around the time that I met you. And my my takeaway was,
Maureen Spielman:when you asked the question, and these were in women's groups,
Maureen Spielman:typically, I don't think they were intentionally that way. I'm
Maureen Spielman:not sure. But when you ask the question, oh, it's just the
Maureen Spielman:sharing comes pouring out. The people are so vulnerable. They
Maureen Spielman:said, that to me says, Yeah, we're looking for safe spaces.
Maureen Spielman:We are looking for the upgraded conversations. We want to be
Maureen Spielman:there in that vibration.
Unknown:Yes. Because we want to be more connected to that part
Unknown:of ourselves that is connected to the truth. Yeah. That that is
Unknown:such a missing link for us.
Maureen Spielman:If you I think that finding a practice that
Maureen Spielman:works for, you know, a person, I can speak from my own
Maureen Spielman:experience, finding a practice that works is, it's it that can
Maureen Spielman:be a journey to you know, we can think one thing do you tend to
Maureen Spielman:look at your self care? Does it look the same way? Or do you
Maureen Spielman:like to mix it up? Do you try not to put a time limit or, you
Maureen Spielman:know, like shoulds, too, I saw something the other day, I get
Maureen Spielman:these emails from an upstart a few years ago called commune I
Maureen Spielman:think it's called the commune commune. And I didn't read the
Maureen Spielman:article, I didn't need to but it said like, five reasons you
Maureen Spielman:should throw away your spiritual checklist and it made me laugh.
Maureen Spielman:So anyway, I mean, anything that you have to offer or guiding
Maureen Spielman:wisdom for a listener who might feel cash, I just can't find
Maureen Spielman:what practice is there for me. I, I think I want to be doing
Maureen Spielman:something. Where do I even begin? Or how, how do I not be
Maureen Spielman:hard on myself about it?
Unknown:Yeah, it's really funny. You bring this up today
Unknown:because for a period of time now let's call it the last nine or
Unknown:10 months. I've had my practice has been you know, get up at 530
Unknown:have a short yoga practice, just let something to get my body
Unknown:moving. A couple of couple of kinds of meditation, depending
Unknown:on what's in my practice in the moment, some journaling reading.
Unknown:There's like a whole there's a whole thing I had and it was
Unknown:literally a three hour experience which was incredibly
Unknown:decadent and quite delightful. And not sustainable. Right? So
Unknown:suddenly like summer came and you know, the house got Fuller
Unknown:and the season change. So then I wasn't as diligent about
Unknown:practice. So suddenly they got like, Okay, I'm gonna not do
Unknown:this part and do this part. And I started getting in judgment
Unknown:around it. And then the more I got in judgment around it Avella
Unknown:less I wanted to go to my altar and And so today, I had this
Unknown:awareness was like, well, let's just shake this thing up a
Unknown:little bit. Like, maybe we don't need to do a three hour thing.
Unknown:Maybe maybe we need to try something different. So I
Unknown:changed up my my morning practices today. And I did make
Unknown:them a little bit briefer. And I added in a new meditation, I was
Unknown:just like, I gave my, my morning practice facelift. I love it.
Unknown:And so what I would invite people who are listening in to
Unknown:think about it as like, what is nurturing in this Now moment for
Unknown:you. And by the way, what's nurturing for you is not
Unknown:nurturing for me or may not be nurturing for me. So find what's
Unknown:right for you. For some people, it's like, go on a hike. For
Unknown:some people, it's like, you know, take a swim, I have a
Unknown:friend who swims every day, religiously for an hour in the
Unknown:mornings. So whatever it is, that drops you into your body,
Unknown:out, you know, of the noise of the world around you. I invite
Unknown:you to do that. Maybe for two minutes, or it can be for two
Unknown:hours, I don't really care.
Maureen Spielman:So interesting. I love it. And
Maureen Spielman:Maria love the shakeup. And I'm thinking that's an interesting
Maureen Spielman:thing to me, because I think a lot of people like to dip in and
Maureen Spielman:take some time hearing messages on podcast too. And I never knew
Maureen Spielman:anything about podcasts really, or the reach they could have or
Maureen Spielman:how it could you know give just something to a person's life and
Maureen Spielman:I listened to a few now more than I ever have. But it that
Maureen Spielman:can be a refuge to to hear messages like this. And I And
Maureen Spielman:that's I think that's something that I love to do through
Maureen Spielman:mystical sisterhood is to bring some soul nourishing ideas to
Maureen Spielman:the energy, the energy and the experience of listening to, you
Maureen Spielman:know, like this conversation today.
Unknown:Yep, I podcasts were on my list for a while to where I
Unknown:would listen to them in the morning. Like find something
Unknown:inspiring. I was not listening to like the news. And soul
Unknown:inspiring I wrote that down. Soul nourishing ideas. Love
Unknown:that.
Maureen Spielman:Yeah. And, and also, that idea of what
Maureen Spielman:nourishes you versus what drains you. Yeah. And talk about like
Maureen Spielman:with your work now with stepping into our womanhood in the
Maureen Spielman:matriarchy, like really being discerning, discerning of with
Maureen Spielman:that. And you know, a lot of some people like to listen to
Maureen Spielman:the news. I hear so many people say they choose not to, and I
Maureen Spielman:tend to fall on that side of things for sure. As, as I knew,
Maureen Spielman:gosh, I knew from a young age, I didn't like scary things, right?
Maureen Spielman:And yet, and I saw my daughter go through it. Like, it was all
Maureen Spielman:the thing to watch scary things, freshman, sophomore year of high
Maureen Spielman:school, and then she's like, scared out of her mind. But that
Maureen Spielman:we don't want to be bringing in fear inducing mediums, whether
Maureen Spielman:it be the news or the
Unknown:need any more of that than already exists thing. No.
Maureen Spielman:So, you know, maybe I'm not sure. I guess each
Maureen Spielman:individual has to decide what's right for them. And I guess, I
Maureen Spielman:guess the question would be is, how does it make you feel?
Unknown:Yeah, I mean, my, my main devotional practice right
Unknown:now is letting my body lead me. Paying attention to what is my
Unknown:body telling me not what is my head telling me like? What are
Unknown:the sensations that are occurring in my body here to
Unknown:tell me Yeah, and can I get radically, like acquainted with
Unknown:my body? And that's, that's a huge invitation that I think I
Unknown:would like to invite your audience to is like, can you
Unknown:really pay attention? Can you quiet the mind long enough to
Unknown:drop in and feel what's occurring? So that you can use
Unknown:the intelligence that's beyond the intellect right? There is an
Unknown:intelligence that we are plugged into that goes way beyond the
Unknown:intellect that is far more intelligent than we can ever
Unknown:imagine. Yeah, yeah, that's like that's mystical like that
Unknown:stepping into the mystical in a big, big way.
Maureen Spielman:Yeah. And offering that to our children,
Maureen Spielman:our teens, our, and my youngest is at the end of high school
Maureen Spielman:now, and I don't know about you, but I laugh sometimes I'm like,
Maureen Spielman:Okay, this kid out of my three kids have has gotten the most
Maureen Spielman:spirituality in a different sense. Like, I'll talk to him
Maureen Spielman:about everything. But I really think in the, it allows him to
Maureen Spielman:consider things in a different way, it allows him to know that
Maureen Spielman:he's more than just his grades or his performance on a sports
Maureen Spielman:field. And I know that's gonna benefit because I think that's
Maureen Spielman:what's being called for like a new. I don't know, just the
Maureen Spielman:deconstruction of the older paradigms, to usher in what's
Maureen Spielman:new, and we don't even know what that's gonna look like, yet.
Unknown:We have no idea. And I think this is the thing that we
Unknown:are selling our kids short, this next generation really short,
Unknown:because we've sold them the story that we know what the
Unknown:outcome is, like, if you do this, and you do this, you're
Unknown:gonna get this job. And you're gonna have this kind of life.
Unknown:And that's what it's all about. And they've really been, like,
Unknown:sold a lie. It's yeah. vision about the reality of life. Yeah.
Unknown:And that's why they're so suffering. This is why they're
Unknown:anxious. This is why they're depressed. This is why they're
Unknown:struggling so much, because it's not turning out the way they've
Unknown:been promised.
Maureen Spielman:Yeah. Oh, yeah. And they're so honed into
Maureen Spielman:it with your kids, because I've been thinking more kindness. For
Maureen Spielman:myself, you know, when I'm talking to you about sitting
Maureen Spielman:with a book sitting, I'm not distracted, is just this whole
Maureen Spielman:idea of like, how, how do we mindfully get away from our
Maureen Spielman:devices?
Unknown:So hard? Yeah. It's so I have a really hard time with
Unknown:it. Yeah,
Maureen Spielman:I think, connection. And I know that I've
Maureen Spielman:seen within myself if I'm transparent, more, more usage. I
Maureen Spielman:don't look at numbers or whatever. But I feel and you
Maureen Spielman:know, when I go to bed at night, you know, my daughter's in
Maureen Spielman:college, my older son's at college, and I feel like, well,
Maureen Spielman:if I'm not there to answer the call, and all these things, but
Maureen Spielman:so I think that but there are spaces where if I am watching a
Maureen Spielman:TV program at night, if I put it in the other room, it's better
Maureen Spielman:for me, because I don't need to be multitasking. But any kind of
Maureen Spielman:simple things that you try for yourself?
Unknown:Well, it's so funny, because I find it really, really
Unknown:difficult. And we are remote is on our phone. Even if I'm to sit
Unknown:and engage with a big giant phone, which is my TV. I still
Unknown:use my little phone to like, access the podium. It's like I
Unknown:can't escape it ever. Yeah, I mean, I think I don't think I
Unknown:have anything new or interesting to offer that anyone else
Unknown:doesn't really know other than this is about free will. This is
Unknown:about choice. This is about awareness. I really, it's it's
Unknown:about being unconscious relationship to this device.
Unknown:That can be a really useful tool.
Maureen Spielman:Yeah, maybe it's, it's right, I was just
Maureen Spielman:gonna make a joke about sending compassion to our phone.
Maureen Spielman:Unconditional Love, but
Unknown:I do have a lot of gratitude for my phone. Like it
Unknown:keeps me connected to my kids. It keeps the people I love it's
Unknown:a really useful tool when I get lost. And I need directions and
Unknown:Right, right. So there's all sorts of beauty in it. Again,
Unknown:it's about the device itself. It's about how we're in
Unknown:relationship to it. And, you know, I have a lot of fear about
Unknown:the next generation and their addiction to these devices.
Unknown:Because we're not nearly as addicted, our brains are not
Unknown:nearly as addicted as their brains are. And that's something
Unknown:that they're going to have to really grapple with. Yeah,
Maureen Spielman:I often wonder if there'll be a backlash, but I
Maureen Spielman:do think, you know, technology is ushering in the future so
Maureen Spielman:many ways. And it's, and we're still, you know, in ways like
Maureen Spielman:we're in that in between still right? Like when with AI, I can
Maureen Spielman:have that freewill. The choice about whether I want to use that
Maureen Spielman:or not right now, so And how will that change? I was I went
Maureen Spielman:to a college night recently at the high school in the high
Maureen Spielman:school counselors are calling the colleges to say how was aI
Maureen Spielman:factoring into your applications and just all these cash and I
Maureen Spielman:think I remember, it was a while ago, maybe less than 10 years,
Maureen Spielman:but I remember someone saying we don't even know what the jobs of
Maureen Spielman:the future will be. And I found that fascinating because at the
Maureen Spielman:time, I'm like, What are they talking about? Well, now I know
Maureen Spielman:what they're talking about.
Unknown:We have no idea. Yeah, we had no idea. And I also heard
Unknown:myself think like, who cares if people are using AI? Like, who
Unknown:even cares? Like, why are what are we going to do? Are we going
Unknown:to start chasing down every college essay and see if it was
Unknown:written by a like, what? What are we doing?
Maureen Spielman:Yeah, and at some point, it's the I know, you
Maureen Spielman:said, you're not on Instagram much anymore. But maybe maybe it
Maureen Spielman:was. I don't maybe it was an old one. But just like, acceptance
Maureen Spielman:and surrender and letting go and acceptance of the as is the
Maureen Spielman:present moment.
Unknown:Yeah, maybe AI is a beautiful gift. Who knows? I
Unknown:don't know. And I get to choose how I'm going to be in
Unknown:relationship to AI.
Maureen Spielman:So yeah, it's kind of funny too. Because if
Maureen Spielman:you, if you like you were saying earlier, if we are to crowd out
Maureen Spielman:the voices, then then you get to decide right? And then don't
Maureen Spielman:have to read all the articles about it. It's just like you get
Maureen Spielman:decide you get decide and seems like a lot cleaner to me like a
Maureen Spielman:lot purer if we get to decide and make our choices.
Unknown:Yeah, and again, I want to, like bring home this point.
Unknown:Like, to me, the most fundamental thing we can be
Unknown:learning as women, particularly as women, because I believe that
Unknown:like reimagining the matriarchy, and our culture is fundamental
Unknown:to our future success. And if we can remember to tune in to that
Unknown:still small voice within that voice of wisdom, that deep voice
Unknown:of knowing, really stepping into that mystical part of ourselves.
Unknown:And trust in that voice. That is the single most important thing
Unknown:that we can do as women on the planet right now.
Maureen Spielman:Yeah, and so I'm thinking of that right there
Maureen Spielman:and Marie, and anything that a listener is going through,
Maureen Spielman:whether it is you know, a child going through a hardship or a
Maureen Spielman:social issue, or deciding, you know, if you should move your
Maureen Spielman:aging parent, just this, the sitting and the quieting in the
Maureen Spielman:stillness, and that's why, you know, to the point of doesn't
Maureen Spielman:have to look like a practice that is this long or anything
Maureen Spielman:like that. You can cultivate these practices within the
Maureen Spielman:moments of your day, and breach like we began today setting an
Maureen Spielman:intention just to kind of bring an open heartedness and
Maureen Spielman:truthfulness, I think we touched upon, you know, safety, and in
Maureen Spielman:going almost like, following. I almost feel like sometimes it's
Maureen Spielman:magnetizing. But listen, a lot of the conversation today, I
Maureen Spielman:feel it's like really listening into your truth. Yep. And
Maureen Spielman:deciding on the outer what that is for you taking from this
Maureen Spielman:conversation, what that is for you. And but just taking the
Maureen Spielman:self honoring time every day, to sink in and appreciate yourself,
Maureen Spielman:know that you have the wisdom and ask the inner questions
Maureen Spielman:like, What do I think about this? How do I feel about it?
Maureen Spielman:And just wait? Just give yourself some time?
Unknown:Yeah, and I would even say like, what to spirit one, if
Unknown:you have a spiritual, you know, if you have a connection to your
Unknown:higher self or an Ask asking for that guidance every day and
Unknown:listening for what comes through, and
Unknown:not expecting it to make sense. You know, not in don't expect it
Unknown:to be comfortable.
Maureen Spielman:I agree with that. Yeah. I feel like we're
Maureen Spielman:getting guidance all the time. And whether we're going to
Maureen Spielman:accept, it's like dancing around us all the time, what we're
Maureen Spielman:being called to step into, and it's old patterns that sometimes
Maureen Spielman:keep us back. I see myself in my business all the time. There's
Maureen Spielman:many things I do do, but I'll have like, so many ideas, but
Maureen Spielman:then they don't get off the paper because of my my
Maureen Spielman:resistance because of conditioning or where women's
Maureen Spielman:places. So I really honor and I'm excited about the work that
Maureen Spielman:you're stepping into and following that path that's
Maureen Spielman:unfolding in front of you to bring the beauty and the
Maureen Spielman:invitation to women. And so, you know, as we kind of finish up
Maureen Spielman:here today, we we touched upon a lot of different things. Is
Maureen Spielman:there anything else that you would like to add before we tell
Maureen Spielman:listeners where to find you? It's gonna settle into that for
Maureen Spielman:a moment if there's a little quiet on the other end, and
Maureen Spielman:Marie's sinking into how she? What information is here for
Maureen Spielman:her?
Unknown:I think I think I mean, I always think my, my biggest
Unknown:message is really trust yourself. That's the biggest
Unknown:message that trust the guidance that comes within. And what I
Unknown:think what I just said a minute ago, it's like, it won't always
Unknown:make sense. It won't always feel comfortable. And it might be
Unknown:really messy. And trust that too.
Maureen Spielman:Yeah, that's really pretty. And it makes me
Maureen Spielman:think that when we trust ourselves, and we put the
Maureen Spielman:investment into trusting and creating safety within
Maureen Spielman:ourselves, it's going to allow us to trust in those around us
Maureen Spielman:and the decisions they make and the path they're on. Because we
Maureen Spielman:can trust in ourselves.
Unknown:Yeah, yeah. And if you can trust the messy,
Unknown:uncomfortable stuff. And you can hold that for yourself, then
Unknown:when you see it happening out there, in your children in your
Unknown:significant other in your family system, in your workplace, you
Unknown:know, that that too, is of service to some part of
Unknown:awakening that is necessary for personal and collective
Unknown:awakening. So it's really like, trust the mess.
Maureen Spielman:Because it's messy.
Unknown:Yeah, and it's here for a reason.
Maureen Spielman:Yeah, I love that about you is that I, I know
Maureen Spielman:that you bring a real humanity to who you are, and being able
Maureen Spielman:to name that this whole perfection thing never was meant
Maureen Spielman:to be never. It's it's
Unknown:wrapped up in it, though. Maureen. was trying
Unknown:really hard for perfection.
Maureen Spielman:No, and then, yeah, then here we are with this
Maureen Spielman:beautiful conversation. So where can the listeners find you? What
Maureen Spielman:are the best places right now?
Unknown:Best place is my website and Marie teressa.me. I
Unknown:am on Instagram. And I'm really sporadic talk about messy and
Unknown:consistent over there. I've been really posting but I may get
Unknown:back to that. But those are the two places that you can find me
Unknown:I'd love for anyone who wants to hang out a little bit more to
Unknown:join my newsletter. You can do that on my website. And
Maureen Spielman:yeah, well, thank you. I'll put that in the
Maureen Spielman:show notes. And may your work exponential eyes and just expand
Maureen Spielman:into the universe. And like we were saying before we started
Maureen Spielman:just the perfect people coming to sit and be and have these new
Maureen Spielman:conversations. Yeah, I'd
Unknown:love that. Work. You say the word again for me.
Unknown:They said exponential lies. Yeah, I
Unknown:love that word. I was trying to spell it in my head as you said
Unknown:it. Will the same for you. Thank you for inviting me to your
Unknown:orbit. And yes,
Maureen Spielman:yeah, thanks for being here. Thank you for
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