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Alan speaks with International Speaker and Best-Selling Author, Lesley Evan in this episode of Mindful You. It is important to always be finding ways to discover yourself and connect with yourself. There are many different mindful activities that support you becoming more balanced. Lesley discusses the importance of the breath to help settle your mind and the importance of learning how to let go.
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Lesley is International Speaker and Best-Selling Author of DeFUNK YourSELF. She has developed a perfect blend of modern and magical therapies to find your passion and live an inspired life.
Lesley has 30 years of experience as a RPN. She is a Clinical Hypnotherapist, Soul Care Coach and Reiki Master. She believes, like The Rising Phoenix, that everyone can rise from the ashes of their old life and build themselves stronger to shine their light into the world.
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Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the mindful you
Alan Carroll:podcast. I'm Alan Carroll, and I am your host. As we journey
Alan Carroll:together, down the various paths of mindfulness, as our guests,
Alan Carroll:share their stories, share their discoveries, share their tips,
Alan Carroll:and practices with us, so that we can strengthen our own
Alan Carroll:mindfulness skills, and live a more mindful, still present time
Alan Carroll:existence. Today's guest, Leslie Evans, Leslie, for 30 years was
Alan Carroll:a psychiatric nurse done all the things that you think you should
Alan Carroll:do marry her childhood sweetheart, three wonderful
Alan Carroll:children, great job, house. And after having all these material
Alan Carroll:things, and all these things that you think you should have,
Alan Carroll:in order to be happy, Leslie wasn't happy. And which then
Alan Carroll:motivated her to take a look at, well, what works, what doesn't
Alan Carroll:work. And she shifted her entire life. And she shares with us her
Alan Carroll:journey from the psychiatric being a nurse in the hospitals,
Alan Carroll:to the spiritual dimensions, and how to balance that mindfulness,
Alan Carroll:spiritual development with the scientific medicine background
Alan Carroll:that she has, and weave the two together to create a healing
Alan Carroll:that will support people in their journeys into mindfulness.
Alan Carroll:So it's with fun and pleasure and happiness, to be able to
Alan Carroll:welcome Leslie Evans to the mindful U podcast. Lesley Evans,
Alan Carroll:welcome to the mindful U Podcast. I'm excited to zap an
Alan Carroll:opportunity to hear your story and hear your experiences as you
Alan Carroll:traveled and evolved over time. And as I read your bio, I
Alan Carroll:especially was caught by the word magic. And I find that
Alan Carroll:mindfulness and magic and mystical and miracles sort of
Alan Carroll:form and the same, same genre, the same environment. So share
Alan Carroll:with our share with our audience a little bit about your
Alan Carroll:background, Leslie.
Lesley Evan:Absolutely. Thank you, Ellen. First, I want to
Lesley Evan:thank you for having me here and chatting with you today. It's an
Lesley Evan:honor to be able to be here and share. A so yes, I have a
Lesley Evan:background in psychiatric nursing. And I have been a
Lesley Evan:psychiatric nurse for over 30 years. And, you know, really, I
Lesley Evan:started off with this checklist. And that checklist of everything
Lesley Evan:you think you want in life. You know, I graduated from
Lesley Evan:psychiatric nursing, got a job in public health, I married my
Lesley Evan:college sweetheart, we bought a house had three kids, blah,
Lesley Evan:blah, you know, the list goes on, the list goes on. And I have
Lesley Evan:three beautiful girls. And as I checked off that list, you know,
Lesley Evan:making sure that list was going exactly the way I thought it was
Lesley Evan:supposed to go. I realized I began to lose myself in that
Lesley Evan:process. And you know, because I was so busy making sure
Lesley Evan:everybody on my list was doing well. And everything on my list
Lesley Evan:was going well. And I was having this conversation with my eldest
Lesley Evan:daughter who was 16 at the time, and she was having trouble with
Lesley Evan:the boy. And the boy was you know, just, she wasn't dancing,
Lesley Evan:wasn't singing wasn't doing all those things she would normally
Lesley Evan:do. And I give her the great motherly advice. If they truly
Lesley Evan:love you or they truly care about you, they will encourage
Lesley Evan:you to be everything that you want to be and encourage you to
Lesley Evan:do those things. But it's such a moment for me because I had to
Lesley Evan:take a really good look at myself. I guess I didn't have to
Lesley Evan:I chose to take a really good look at myself in that moment at
Lesley Evan:what I was teaching my girls that I was teaching them that
Lesley Evan:you know the list were more importantly and and that they
Lesley Evan:should sacrifice themselves for all of those people that were
Lesley Evan:important to them or if you Pull in their lives. And, and so I
Lesley Evan:had to take a really good look at myself, I really wasn't being
Lesley Evan:very present because I was always everywhere making sure
Lesley Evan:everybody else was doing okay, and not realizing that I was
Lesley Evan:kind of losing myself in the process. And so with that
Lesley Evan:thought, a lot of changes came around, I chose to make quite a
Lesley Evan:few changes in my life. One of those I ended a 21 year
Lesley Evan:marriage, we knew that we weren't healthy for each other,
Lesley Evan:nevermind our kids. And I began this journey. That's really
Lesley Evan:where the journey began, I had always been intuitive. But I
Lesley Evan:didn't actually know that's what was happening. I just knew
Lesley Evan:stuff. And I thought, Wow, I'm just really good at knowing
Lesley Evan:stuff. And I didn't know where that came from. And so when,
Lesley Evan:when I separated and started this new life with my girls, and
Lesley Evan:my mom came with us, too, I was primary sport to her. It was
Lesley Evan:really about finding out who I was, and what I loved. And, and,
Lesley Evan:and what I wanted to do when I grew up. And so took this
Lesley Evan:journey of really connecting with myself, and the universe,
Lesley Evan:or spirit, or God, whatever way you describe it, creator. And so
Lesley Evan:that's what brought me to where I am. Now. See, I had taught, in
Lesley Evan:my therapy days and thought a lot, I taught a lot about
Lesley Evan:mindfulness as a great thing for anxiety and depression. But I
Lesley Evan:wasn't living mindfully, right. So I wasn't living what I was
Lesley Evan:teaching. And so that was my journey. And where I really
Lesley Evan:began to do that is really sinking into this present
Lesley Evan:moment. And that's where my journey started to really
Lesley Evan:flourish to is when I began to appreciate the moment in
Lesley Evan:everything it was, because just because I started living
Lesley Evan:mindfully and started connecting with myself, doesn't mean my
Lesley Evan:journey was easy the whole time. But I was you can look at it
Lesley Evan:from a different view, when you're looking at things from
Lesley Evan:that mindful or presence, being present in it. That you can make
Lesley Evan:choices differently when you're here in this moment. And so
Lesley Evan:that's where the journey took me to where I am now. So I left
Lesley Evan:public health. And I now work privately. And, you know, really
Lesley Evan:marrying both of these worlds together. My science background,
Lesley Evan:my nursing therapy background, and the woowoo or the spiritual
Lesley Evan:background it is. So I kind of have this bridge, I have the
Lesley Evan:science and then I have hypnotherapy that kind of
Lesley Evan:bridges the two worlds. And then also, I work in the Akashic
Lesley Evan:Records, which is where your soul's journey is, is sort of
Lesley Evan:recorded. And so I help people on a conscious, subconscious,
Lesley Evan:and soul level.
Alan Carroll:Wow, that's a that's a lot of things. That's a
Alan Carroll:lot of things. The it sounds it sounds like you had a you live
Alan Carroll:the life where you had all the things that you should have. And
Alan Carroll:they reached the point where you sort of woke up in a way and
Alan Carroll:said, You know what, I have a lot of these things. However, I
Alan Carroll:miss, I'm missing something. And sounds like what you were
Alan Carroll:missing was a feeling of, of self awareness or self
Alan Carroll:discovery. Or there's something missing here. I'm not sure
Alan Carroll:what's missing. But there's something missing, which then
Alan Carroll:directed you to a more mindfulness experience. And as
Alan Carroll:you talk about mindfulness, what were some of the mindfulness
Alan Carroll:activities or things that you began to, to do to support you
Alan Carroll:and getting more balanced?
Unknown:So as far as mindfulness activities, there's
Unknown:lots of Annelle speak on mindfulness to the cows come
Unknown:home, Alan, I love it. I think it's such an important piece of,
Unknown:of being able to live a full life. For me, it was really
Unknown:starting to be mindful in moments all through my life. I
Unknown:think a lot of people think mindfulness is just a
Unknown:meditation, but it isn't. It's about living every moment you
Unknown:can in the present moment. And so when I, you know, when we
Unknown:find ourselves or I found myself, my thoughts really
Unknown:going, it's that awareness. Oh, my thoughts are really going.
Unknown:It's time to bring them down. And so I even did Things like
Unknown:walking from, say the car to an appointment, maybe I was worried
Unknown:about that appointment, started realizing those thoughts going,
Unknown:and really slowing them down and focusing on what my body's doing
Unknown:the miracle of my body, the muscles moving to get me from
Unknown:the car to this appointment, I really focusing in on that, you
Unknown:know, the breeze in my hair, the way my arms move, really coming
Unknown:into those moments. So fitting those in mindful eating, I don't
Unknown:know, Alan, if you've never tried mindful eating, it's a an
Unknown:a different experience, especially if you're, say, a
Unknown:coffee drinker or tea drinker, I'm a tea drinker. And so
Unknown:mindfully, drinking my tea is just the difference in the way
Unknown:it tastes. Because you can tell that it tastes different at the
Unknown:front of your mouth and the back of your mouth. And just little
Unknown:ways to incorporate mindfulness and things that we're already
Unknown:doing is really important. And so in, in being able to
Unknown:incorporate those things, whether it's time with family.
Unknown:So really being in that moment with the people that you love,
Unknown:and listening, just like we are here, you know, you're listening
Unknown:to what I say, and I'm listening to what you say, you miss so
Unknown:much when you're not mindfully there. And in business, or at
Unknown:work, to really being there, focusing on whatever the task
Unknown:is, means that you get more done, and you feel better at the
Unknown:end of the day, and you get it done better. So those things
Unknown:were all the things that I incorporated in life to bring me
Unknown:to more presence. But then there's also the meditation and
Unknown:the stillness, and yes, I, I, every morning, meditate, and
Unknown:really connect spiritually, for myself, probably, I don't know,
Unknown:probably about half an hour when I, you know, when I set that
Unknown:time aside for myself, and all of this has led me to be able to
Unknown:make choices that were for my highest good.
Alan Carroll:Excellent, I find that the the ability to choose
Alan Carroll:what we before mindfulness, people or myself unconscious,
Alan Carroll:automatic reacting, then, rather than wait a minute, take that
Alan Carroll:breath, ground ground, my feet get centered. Notice that
Alan Carroll:there's an emotion stirring up inside of me right now. Notice I
Alan Carroll:have thoughts about that person over there. And rather than
Alan Carroll:react to it, that little space of stillness, pausing,
Alan Carroll:breathing, relaxes the physical body. And somehow, if I can keep
Alan Carroll:my body physically relaxed, everything seems to be fine. But
Alan Carroll:when that tension occurs, when that thoughts occur when those
Alan Carroll:attack thoughts occur, and those ego thoughts occur, and those
Alan Carroll:upset thoughts occur, I notice that it it there's a
Alan Carroll:corresponding tension in my physical body. At the time, I'm
Alan Carroll:having those thoughts. And so I pretty sure that's what you're
Alan Carroll:saying, you've experienced also that you keeping your body
Alan Carroll:relaxed, keeping your body energized, keeping your body
Alan Carroll:oxygenated, allows you to better handle whatever's coming down,
Alan Carroll:coming down the pipe coming at you. Is that is that? Am I
Alan Carroll:close?
Unknown:Oh, I mean, breathing. In fact, I was like, I didn't
Unknown:even mention breathing and all that. And that is one of the
Unknown:first things I'll tell people, when they have when they come to
Unknown:me with overwhelm or anxiety or anything like that is breathe
Unknown:and they're like what it took my my mind tells me I can't Yes,
Unknown:that's when it's even more important to breathe. Because
Unknown:you're right, physically, just bringing that oxygen in,
Unknown:physically settled. So symptoms so you can start to settle your
Unknown:mind a little bit. And I have a really great example of that
Unknown:sort of that breathing and taking that moment and that
Unknown:walking. I was working with it fella and we were talking about
Unknown:mindfulness and he was just sort of this. I don't know about this
Unknown:stuff that you're teaching me but I'll give it a try. And he
Unknown:was going he'd been off work because he had some, you know,
Unknown:depression and anger and he was going back to work. And starting
Unknown:back to work, he came back the next week to the to our group.
Unknown:And he said, I tried your mindful walking thing. You said,
Unknown:I was at work for a few days. And I got called into the boss's
Unknown:office. And so for the couple of minutes, he said, I could feel
Unknown:my anxiety starting to go up. And so I said, I'm going to use
Unknown:that mindful walking that you taught me. And he walked
Unknown:mindfully, just for those three minutes it took to get to the
Unknown:boss's office, the boss called him and he said, Hey, I just
Unknown:wanted to tell you that I noticed how well you're doing.
Unknown:And it's great to have you back. And what he said was, had he
Unknown:been what he did before was get himself all worked up and into a
Unknown:defensive mode ready to argue, he would have probably started
Unknown:an argument that wasn't even there. And he wouldn't have
Unknown:brought in the feedback that he had just gotten that the boss
Unknown:was clouding his back.
Alan Carroll:Such an important observation is that we create in
Alan Carroll:our mind, what we think is happening. And we start to
Alan Carroll:behave as if that is true that that's not fiction. But that's
Alan Carroll:reality. And mindfulness, what you're talking about, Leslie is
Alan Carroll:that mindfulness allows you to observe what's going on. And
Alan Carroll:then to be able to step back and think about a solution, or a
Alan Carroll:move I can make in the chess game. And in this situation, you
Alan Carroll:know what, Lesley talked about mindful, breathing, walking
Alan Carroll:thing, I think I'll try that. But that requires you to wake up
Alan Carroll:that requires you in the midst of the nervousness about what my
Alan Carroll:boss is going to say, I have to have that thought in my mind
Alan Carroll:about Leslie told me to do something, and I'll be able to
Alan Carroll:do it, and it worked. And so the key I find in mindfulness is
Alan Carroll:that it requires you to wake up to the automatic reaction that
Alan Carroll:you are having in the moment to realize there's another
Alan Carroll:alternative, and you use the word earlier choice. And I'd
Alan Carroll:like you to share a little bit about that, about that waking up
Alan Carroll:process, and also about how it allows you to make healthier
Alan Carroll:choices, the more mindful you are, you don't get seduced by
Alan Carroll:the by the boss calling you on the phone, it's going to be
Alan Carroll:terrible. Well, that's like you're, you're creating
Alan Carroll:something that's not true.
Unknown:Right, right. You know, I, when I hear you talking about
Unknown:the wakeup process, you know, this is all about awareness. And
Unknown:for many people, we haven't learned to observe ourselves,
Unknown:right? We just react, you know, bluntly, you know, this happens
Unknown:when you read, but there's lots of in our subconscious has said,
Unknown:when this happens, you need to react like this. But what our
Unknown:subconscious does is it also, when it finds this works for
Unknown:you, whether it's good or bad, this is the way you react, it
Unknown:puts it over several different situations. So it might not even
Unknown:be the same situation. So you've gotten upset over one situation,
Unknown:another, another one comes up, you'll have that same reaction,
Unknown:because the subconscious is kind of saying, Oh, this is how we
Unknown:react. And so when you just you're not thinking so you're
Unknown:going through mindlessly, you just you know, you're just
Unknown:allowing those reactions to go. And so the biggest thing is that
Unknown:we need to become more aware. You can learn it, you can learn
Unknown:to become more aware. And and I think that's one of the biggest
Unknown:things that I hear from people is how do I you know, how do I
Unknown:stop this or I don't even know I don't even see it coming. I
Unknown:said, Alright, let's learn how to be aware. And that's really,
Unknown:it's a very purposeful way. When you're talking about emotions.
Unknown:You know, emotions have been given a really bad rap that we
Unknown:shouldn't feel, you know, I don't like to call them positive
Unknown:or negative, or good or bad. They just are they're
Unknown:comfortable and uncomfortable, but they're not good or bad.
Unknown:They're just letting us know our thoughts are off. Or maybe
Unknown:there's something going on with our thinking. And so that
Unknown:awareness starts to build just like we knew described it. Oh,
Unknown:I'm feeling a different emotion. Oh, I don't feel very
Unknown:comfortable with this emotion. What is going on in my head?
Unknown:Yes. Right? What is going on my head, and then you can start to
Unknown:look at that thought and go, you can learn how to challenge that
Unknown:thought, like your boss calls you. Okay? Well, not every time
Unknown:I talk to the boss, it's bad. So, you know, you can challenge
Unknown:that in the moment. But the awareness is the first piece.
Unknown:And I think that's what you're talking about without waking up.
Unknown:It's purposefully starting to be aware, and what you know,
Unknown:observing your emotions from this place of, they're not good
Unknown:or bad. They just are, and they're telling you something.
Unknown:Yep, a key word do that. Yeah, sorry, go ahead. A key word
Alan Carroll:that you're using couple of times, is being able
Alan Carroll:to observe or being able to observe the thought that you
Alan Carroll:just pass through your consciousness, being able to
Alan Carroll:observe the emotion in your body, being able to observe the
Alan Carroll:tension in your body, being able to observe the the anger and the
Alan Carroll:attack, and I need to defend and you're wrong, and I'm right, to
Alan Carroll:be able to observe that. And to me, that is, that's not natural.
Alan Carroll:That is not what people are trained to do. And with
Alan Carroll:training, you can develop your observation muscles. So what are
Alan Carroll:some of the training exercises that people could do to become
Alan Carroll:more awake, so they can make that conscious choice rather
Alan Carroll:than that unconscious, reactive, automatic conditioned reaction?
Unknown:Right? So a couple of things I talked about walking.
Unknown:So this is just bringing those thoughts down?
Alan Carroll:Well, let's talk about walking meditation. Let's
Alan Carroll:talk about walking meditation. People don't know what that
Alan Carroll:means. What does a walking meditation look like?
Unknown:So I'm just even going to break it down even further to
Unknown:the transition steps that we take every day, from our
Unknown:bedroom, to the kitchen, from the kitchen, to the living room,
Unknown:to from the car to an appointment, these are steps
Unknown:that we often let our mind go with what we need to do in the
Unknown:day, right? That's where our minds kind of go, and one of the
Unknown:things you can do is start to train your brain. Yeah, this is
Unknown:the time you want to slow it down. That train your brain,
Unknown:yes, you can train your brain. So you start to say, Okay, I'm
Unknown:going to choose, when I get up, I'm going to walk to the
Unknown:kitchen, and I'm going to focus on what my body is doing. I know
Unknown:I mentioned this earlier. And your brain might say, Yeah, but
Unknown:this is when we think of everything we need to do in that
Unknown:day. And so you just give that observation, you can just say,
Unknown:Okay, thank you. Thanks for Thanks for telling me about
Unknown:that. And almost like a conveyor belt, let that move through your
Unknown:brain and drop off. Or right now I want to focus on what my
Unknown:body's doing. So it's training your brain that when you're
Unknown:taking those transition steps, that it's time to quiet down.
Unknown:Time to just be quiet. And it takes a little bit is a
Unknown:practice. And I like to call this a mindfulness practice.
Unknown:It's not a mindfulness perfect. It's a mindfulness practice. And
Unknown:so it'll take some time. But I can almost guarantee you that if
Unknown:you start using those transition steps to quiet your mind, you'll
Unknown:learn other places to do it, too. So that's one thing that I
Unknown:think is really important, just really those little steps to
Unknown:places where we let our mind run is just, again, thank you. Right
Unknown:now I want to focus on what my body is doing. The second thing
Unknown:that I think is really important is that we start is really
Unknown:observing our moods. So often give people a mood, you know, a
Unknown:mood chart. So four times a day. It doesn't matter what you're
Unknown:doing, you just check in. And I like to say name three moods,
Unknown:three moods that you're feeling in this moment, no judgment? No,
Unknown:why you're feeling them, it doesn't matter. We just want you
Unknown:to observe what your mood is or times the day. And what can
Unknown:happen is I've had people that have said, I'm just a really
Unknown:angry person. And when we did this, throughout the week, they
Unknown:found out that sometimes they were embarrassed first. Or
Unknown:sometimes they were scared first. Or sometimes they were
Unknown:worried or frustrated that they weren't just an angry person.
Unknown:That's just where it ended up. And so when they were able to
Unknown:start seeing those emotions at lower levels, then they could do
Unknown:something at that level rather than letting their emotions get
Unknown:up to this high point.
Alan Carroll:You bet. You bet. Every time If you see something,
Alan Carroll:observe something, I like to describe it as you're creating a
Alan Carroll:little space. And every time you do it, you create another little
Alan Carroll:space, and another little space and another little space. And
Alan Carroll:pretty soon this the storm door of winter changes to the screen
Alan Carroll:door a summer. And the end, you no longer resist things anymore,
Alan Carroll:they flow through you, because you now have all these spaces
Alan Carroll:that you've created bit, by bit, by bit by bit. And to me that
Alan Carroll:develops this, this, this, this witness inside of ourselves,
Alan Carroll:this observer inside of ourselves, that organic,
Alan Carroll:something organically is happening inside myself, and you
Alan Carroll:can't learn it from a book, you got to you got to close the
Alan Carroll:eyes, you got to do the mindful walking, if you have to do a
Alan Carroll:practice on a regular basis to to create that. That the
Alan Carroll:opposite of a monkey mind, you know, again, it's stable. You
Alan Carroll:can breathe, the instrument is relaxed. You observe the
Alan Carroll:thoughts you don't, you don't you don't, you don't jump into
Alan Carroll:the thought you just observe the thought by like, like this
Alan Carroll:described like clouds moving through the sky, just as clouds
Alan Carroll:moving through the sky, you're just sitting there, having a
Alan Carroll:piece of cheese and bread and little wine, watching the clouds
Alan Carroll:go by. Rather than judging the clouds, you are just observing
Alan Carroll:the clouds. And so I like that mindful walking you talked about
Alan Carroll:because that is so easy to do. Another one that car totally
Alan Carroll:talked about was when you're gonna start the car. Before you
Alan Carroll:put the key in the ignition or press the button, you pause. And
Alan Carroll:it disrupts the automaticity of your reality. People live in
Alan Carroll:these patterns. They don't know they're in a pattern. And but so
Alan Carroll:break the pattern every time you break the pattern you wake up,
Alan Carroll:like I brush my teeth with my right hand. Okay, tonight brush
Alan Carroll:with your left hand, and you'll wake up, boy, you'll wake up
Alan Carroll:because it's different, you know? So I think that's what
Alan Carroll:you're talking about. Is that true?
Unknown:i Yes, absolutely. You know, every time we you know, we
Unknown:take ourselves out of a habit of just mindlessly going. We bring
Unknown:awareness to that. And then when we can bring awareness to that
Unknown:mindlessness. And go more mindfully into what we're doing,
Unknown:especially with something we do all the time. You'll see things
Unknown:you haven't seen in a very long time. And you'll you can often
Unknown:see that maybe there's other choices to make. Yes. And And
Unknown:the interesting thing is if you go through Jon Kabat Zinn is one
Unknown:of my favorite people for mindfulness. And what's their
Unknown:name again, Jon Kabat Zinn and is a great mindfulness fella. He
Unknown:teaches it for chronic pain. But he talks about attitudes. And
Unknown:when I look at the attitudes like acceptance, trust,
Unknown:beginner's mind, non judgment, gratitude, you know, generosity,
Unknown:and I know I'm missing one,
Alan Carroll:probably forgiveness is there somewhere.
Alan Carroll:That's,
Unknown:that is definitely something that's important. But
Unknown:that's not one of the ones that he talks about. Letting go,
Unknown:there's the other one letting go, which would be on that
Unknown:forgiveness page, right. All of those are actually the things
Unknown:that are important for manifesting or creating what we
Unknown:want in life to
Alan Carroll:go ahead and repeat those again so people can
Alan Carroll:hear them again.
Unknown:Okay, I'll try and I'll try and remember them. So it's
Unknown:the acceptance trust, beginner's mind, letting go non judgement,
Unknown:patience, generosity, and gratitude.
Alan Carroll:Wow, that's pretty good.
Unknown:Not bad.
Alan Carroll:That's pretty. I couldn't remember all those
Alan Carroll:things. That's pretty good. I like that. Yeah, yeah. Well,
Alan Carroll:those are very valuable golden nuggets that you've given us
Alan Carroll:today. Leslie, I want to thank you for being on the mindful you
Alan Carroll:podcast. And I also would like to know how people can connect
Alan Carroll:with you. They like what they're hearing and they'd like to
Alan Carroll:follow a little bit more about the rise of the Phoenix way. How
Alan Carroll:can people connect with you?
Unknown:Absolutely. Just go to my website, Rise of the
Unknown:phoenix.org and you can definitely head there and if you
Unknown:do want to chat with me, I do have a free consultation. ration
Unknown:and or email me my email will be there as well.
Alan Carroll:Wonderful. Well thank you very much for being on
Alan Carroll:the mindful your podcast. And I look forward to seeing it sent
Alan Carroll:out into the world so people can become more mindful and more
Alan Carroll:present in order to make healthy choices mentally and physically
Alan Carroll:and emotionally. So thank you very much Leslie.
Unknown:Beautiful. Thank you for having me. Bye bye
