Tapping into the Wisdom of Dreams - An interview with Pearl Gregor

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Hey, joyful journey or Anita Adams here your host and today I am excited to introduce you to Pearl Gregor. Pearl is an explorer and a seeker. She is a writer, Dream coach, storyteller, a writing coach, author of three books in the series dreams along the way. And an international public speaker. Pearl is also a farmer, a grandmother, a blogger, and a crone of wisdom. Love all of that pearl. Welcome. I'm so thrilled to have you here today.

Thank you, Anita. It, it took a very joyful thing to come and do these kinds of so I thank you for the for the invitation.

Wonderful. Yeah, it's a it's I'm I'm just delighted I had an opportunity to to listen to some of the interviews you've done before actually one of our our listeners era. She Yeah, she introduced me or sent me a link to some of your work. And, and Sid encouraged me to interview you. And I'm so glad that that she did. So shout out to era thank you so much for turning me on to Pearl. This is I'm really looking forward. And I'm super curious. I'm super curious about this, this conversation that we're gonna have today about dreams and the wisdom on tapping into the wisdom of our dreams. So to set the stage or get started, I wanted to ask you if you would just share your story about how you got to here and what you're doing and have been doing for the last few decades.

Well, let's let's go back 34 years. And look at April 1988. I was suffering from depression had been since I was 15 or 16 years old. I had a girlfriend and I were having dinner or whatever. And she said Verna said to me, Pearl, you've tried everything else. You know, why don't we go to meditation. So off we went to meditation, the next item on Sunday night or something. And then I read a book that said I could ask for a dream. One of the members of my family sent me this box of books. I'm an addicted reader. Me too. Yes. And so one of those books was a Christian approach to dream work. And I sat down to read it that night and went oh ma I've never had a dream. I've had nightmare nightmare. Nightmare screaming blood running down my hand nightmares. hanging on for dear life not wanting to fall. And so I asked her a dream. That was April. No, that was December 1988, December 11. I got her dream. That dream I call the landing. I walked in I was on I was in my office on the eighth floor. In reality my office was on the seventh floor. Any case, I elevator comes I get in the elevator and it starts to fall. And there's a group of women with me. I don't know any of them and they are screaming and I am praying, make it safe. We fall and we fall we fall and we fall some more. And then the elevator lands in lamb's wool. It learns what you know lamb's wool. Wool. Okay, lamb's wool, or chicken feathers. I've never been sure. And that started this journey that I've been on for the last three, four years. I went on to January and February in massive massive healing modes I had what I call miracles in my life. And in one of those miracles, one of those evenings this whole remembrance came back to me around being assaulted as a two year old. Now that people think kids forget and they repress they don't think Yet they repress into the unconscious, which is what dream work is all about. It creates, well, that kind of event in a two year old life creates havoc. So, the rest of my life even now is governed to some degree does the body if you read Gabor Matej, the body knows, it never forgets. After that miracle that night, my menstrual cycle went to normal. I was 43. Just about menopausal for heaven's sakes, it went to normal went to 28 days now that had never happened. From 14 years old to 43. It would be three days, six weeks, two months, six months, whatever it felt like doing. You went to normal. Now, can you not call that a miracle? Most certainly.

What what do you attribute to that miracle? Was that the request for the dream? Like I'm trying to make

plans for the dream, meditating. Okay, in journaling, journaling, journaling, and journaling. And unders beginning to work. I didn't understand that dream. But think about landing. Yeah, think about falling. I had nightmares forever about falling. Now I fell, but I landed. Yeah. And out of that dream. I had this deep sense that I was safe. I'd never been safe in my life.

I went that's what that's what the the lamb's wool or the feathers. Yeah, she was the safety being

absolutely safely being caught, right. And so then I went on. I mean, if you read my books, a details the next six months in a significant detail. And the dreams carried on and continued. Great. Many do 400 dreams. In the next six or seven years. We live our lives in sequences of seven. And not not to the minute, but you'll maybe seven and a half, maybe six and a half. But as you look at your life, when you were seven years old, when you were 14 years old, when you were 21. When you were 28 when you were 35 and 42. This hat began to happen. Okay, let me back up a little bit. Hearing voices. I taught I was a vice principal. But at the age of 34. By 4843, or somewhere in there, I began hearing voices. Well, when you know anything about psychology, that can can end up with a split in your psyche. And so this hearing voices one day I was teaching my grade nine class I taught one period a day. At the end of the class. Some of the kids came up and Mrs. Greger Can we talk to you? Well, sure. What do you need? All they said? It's not us. It's you. You usually make sense, you know? Well, thanks. Good. These are great nines. Remember, you usually make sense today. You didn't make any sense at all. Or think you're sick and you should go home. I went home. Oh, yeah, I was that was those voices were breaking through in that class. Wow. That's

scary. Yeah. So what what were those voices?

Well, those voices would they were never clear. But they would show that me and look back on I just making this up. I think they were trying to get my attention to move forward with that. You move forward with my healing. I think we resist our own good. Yeah, I think there's a big amount of resistance. I call it got started. I mean, if you have that kind of miracle after wandering, you'd go I take I just went. I'm an introvert, introverts can to look in the inner world more than other folks. That doesn't mean extroverts don't, it just means we're more content with it. So seekers are often introverts. We're not afraid of our own thoughts. So I was not afraid of dreams. Lots of people tell me oh, those dreams make no sense. Well, they don't they they come to you in a symbolic language. What's the symbol of falling? Why do you know?

Go ahead Yeah, yeah, no, I wanted to ask you about that, actually. So I've heard, and everybody has different opinions. So I'm really curious on your thoughts on about about this, that it's not necessarily what you would find in a book that the, what's falling symbolizes. But what does it mean to us?

Well, what it meant to me was the descent No,

oh, no. But is that correct? Is it about what it means to you? Or what? You know, the so called experts say falling means?

I think it's both. Okay. Okay. You know, it really, really is, I would I always say, I operate dream circles. That's how IRA or era got a hold of you. I eat in my dream circle. And I say to him, it's yes, it's about you. But it is about the universe. There's some things that, for example, if you go looking at a house, in symbolism, and I follow Carl Jung, yeah, I mean, he is the foremost expert was the foremost expert. He has a lot of followers. He didn't have it. All right, I don't think. But he spent his life studying dreams. So I'm not going to say that I know more than he does. I'll guarantee you that. Yeah. So if he says, It might mean, he would never say it means you have the dream or have the final say in what it means. Okay,

I like that. So I have looked with my dreams, I've looked online for things that you know, and and then I find something and there's always you know what to say falling or whatever it is, there can be a whole slew of different things that will pop up for that. And then I'll read something. And I'm like, That's it. That's the one that that resonates. And I think that's your body or your inner wisdom, that's telling you. That's the answer.

Yeah. And that's that. That's the aha moment. Yes, the aha moment. And the aha moment is in a dream circle, I do not encourage going to Google. I do not encourage going to those. I know those dream dictionaries. So I've been using. Yeah, God helped me. I say that because, okay, this is a bit of a funny story. I mean, you can tell that I'm having some tooth issues. I don't have any other gone. Okay. So, okay, if you go to a dream dictionary, you know what to say about losing a tooth? No, it's labeled to tell you that you one of your family members is going to die. Well, you know, that would mean 20 Do debt 22 Dead family members in my family. I don't want to go there. You see what I'm saying? So, I mean, I look at that elevator, do you know an elevator goes up, an elevator goes down, up and down? If you that was this stage for the next seven years? Are you familiar with the Miss of banana? No, I'm not the Miss of banana. And Anna had to descend it to the underworld. And once you send it to the underworld, I descended to the underworld in my dream, or dreams. And I had to find out who I really was. Because we're not we don't we live in a patriarchal culture and you think about it. Yeah, women are molded by a system not as their own design by any stretch. We've made great strides but if you're walking the unfolding of culture in the United States around what are weighed and roll, yeah, kind of gives you a shutter. No kidding. And I mean, when you read awkward step, all my goodness, it is such an insult to women of color to poor women especially. Yeah, you and I if we wanted an abortion bad enough, would travel. Yeah, get her an airplane. We go. Yeah. A poor woman in a ghetto. Yeah, as know where to go. Yeah. And it's, it's a control thing. So I go to my dreams, and my dreams will tell me far and away more about who I am becoming or could become you than a patriarchy is ever going to tell me

that that's tapping into that inner wisdom and using dreams as a source to get the information that you for. So I'm curious, you said that you asked asked for a dream. So like, can you walk us through what that looks like is like when you crawl into bed. Do you have a ritual?

Absolutely monitor ritual. I mean, remember, I was totally new to this So I read a book and said I could ask for a dream. Okay? So that's simple. So you have a journal. And I encourage, if somebody says, No, I don't dream, so Okay, write down 10 times when you're ready to go to sleep. I will remember a dream tonight. 10 times. I mean, I used to teach my students, things like a member of physics student who said, I can't get i can't i usually get 90 I can't anymore. I'm going. Tell yourself you will remember everything you need to know. That's all I have to do. Why you have to study? So if so, you know what? So you can remember what you know. He wrote it down. He came to me a little while later said that works. Well, was there ever any doubt? Seriously, when I tell a lie, so I mean, I wrote down. I will remember a dream tonight. In my journal, there's lots written about the work of a journal in your healing journey.

Yes. Yeah. My clients journal.

Absolutely. And do not be afraid to write what you think. Yeah. Yeah, no, because while somebody might signed it, then put it under lock and key. Yeah, you know,

or even, I've even encouraged clients that are afraid of somebody reading what they've written. Yeah. After writing it, even burn it if you if you motion

really well, except, I don't encourage that if it's a dream. Okay. Yeah. And the reason why is, if you go through my books, and I have written three, and you find all of the dreams about sexuality, they'll burn those. And that is not a good idea. Why? Well, the last dream you'll find in books, book three, is a dream of incest. Now think about the symbolism of incest, not about the horror of it, and talk about the symbolism of it in methodology. I don't know what that is, okay. It's the coming together of the masculine and feminine, which is what dream org is trying to get you to do is integrate your masculine and your feminine. Hmm. And it's injured feminine. That is for me, I had to, I had to work on the return of my feminine soul. It was lost from being molested. And that's deep stuff. It is deep stuff, you know. And so I mean, from my perspective, that works for me. But if I'm going into psychotherapy, if I'm working in psychology, if I'm working in counseling, why in the name of heaven, would we not teach dreamwork. That's how, that's how Carl Jung began his work is because he had very, very ill patients. And he could tap into that, Sue, they could tap into it through their dreams, right? It shouldn't be in the hands of a complete amateur. I would never work with for example, someone who was dealing with all that say. I mean, I would say that they need to, they need to lead me to some degree through their dreams. I can help them to understand and unpack by asking questions to ask questions and letting them sink it through and be through by people who are that serious, I can easily send to a psychotherapist. So this is deep work. Yeah, it's also very joyful work. Yeah. Seriously, I'm very grateful. If I think of all what goes through my books. I've got the word joy about 67 times in the first book 80 in the second 92 in the third. Because that's, you get up in the morning from a dream like the landing you have no idea why, but your energy level is through the roof. Because dreams are compensatory. Big word. I don't want to get the listeners. Oh my god, they can't understand.

I don't know what that means. Well, I don't so maybe you can tell me.

Yeah, so all it means is your inner world is making it easier for you. A psyche and soul is your inner world. Yeah. 100 for psyche read meant means soul.

Doesn't psyche so it

can certainly the etymology of psyche is soul. If you look at it, I didn't know that. And so we've got soul Khaleeji and soul, soul lots of thing, but you don't go to a weekend. Workshop and get and get it all. You need a little more than that?

Yeah. Well, you know, it's I find that you're speaking my language in many ways because, you know, dreams, I feel like they are another tool for understanding yourself. And that I believe is our primary mission in this world is to know thyself, to understand and know thyself. And we can do that in many different ways. And dreams are a tool, suppose I suppose, that you can use to help yourself really understand who you are not who society tells you that you are, but who you really are. And it's such an important, important work to do. And I love that and I think are I think we're in a place in time now, where more and more people are looking at this as a as it's not so woowoo as it was even just five years ago, you know, we're looking at

numbers. I was doing this work in 1988. It was a tad woowoo

I bet it was over there. And now, how brave of you to you know, continue on with that work because you

try things like Reiki

in. Yeah,

that's medication was considered evil. II by some groups. Yeah. Yoga. Oh, my goodness. You could you just freak it out? Yes, guess what? I believe that that's possible. So I'm just good to go.

Yeah. Yeah.

When you talk about Know thyself, and Anita, that was almost if it wasn't first thing I wrote in my journal, it was a second. Okay, I was determined, I would tell no lies. Yeah. And that when I was reading those books, I had a number of meltdowns around when somebody reads that they'll think I'm not. And then I decided, well, who cares? Totally. I think I'm nuts. I won't even know who they are.

Doesn't matter. Was it? I think it was Brene. Brown that said something like, what somebody thinks about you is not your business.

Exactly. And I love that. isn't any of my business,

my business? What she thinks of me? Yeah, who cares? Who cares? Yeah, um, just to touch on, or to complete that thought about the inward journey being joyful. Obviously, I believe that calling this podcast a joyful journey. It is it is. It's not always joyful, it can be very painful on that inward looking journey. However, as you take that journey, it leads to more and more joy as you because you embrace who you are, right? You accept by by taking the journey and by embracing the pain, and looking at the pain, you begin to accept who you really are. And they sit in and love that individual and that such

that you realize that you cannot know joy without knowing the worst. Yeah, not no light. Without darkness, you cannot know darkness without light. Absolutely. Yeah. And so I look at joy. Absolutely. The number of times I was enraged, ie, the number of times I wrote and wrote and wrote and wrote, and even your hand hurt, and you were still scribbling. Because you had to get that out of you. You have to let it out. And mid life 40s Are the time a massive time of growth. Why? I can I can tell the first person who comes along and says, I want to study dreams. And I say how old are you? I'm 35. Bengal. I'm 41. Bengal. I'm 60. Bangle, is 77777 77 is huge. We don't we don't just grow in our 20s we're growing throughout our lifetime. Absolutely. My latest book that I'm reading is on eldering and dreams. Hmm. Think about. So I'm 77 Think about growing in your 70s Sadly, or our culture doesn't seem to believe. Oh, we celebrate those who do but we don't encourage those who don't grow in their 70s or 60s or 80s 70s could well be the best time of your life. Could be certainly 50s and 60s We're so let's say 70 Yeah,

it just keeps I feel like it just keeps getting better and better. So what ever stop

precisely. So, you know, I think that altering is, is really important in our culture right now. I mean, the the gift to young people, of a person old person who sits down and talked with them about whatever has got to be a big bonus. Wow. You know, so dreams I think are any age. I think children have massive dreams. And people say Oh, go back to sleep is just a dream. Now pay attention. Pay attention. Yeah, you can have children draw their dreams, all kinds of things. Yeah. You were gonna say

I was gonna say our culture dismisses dreams. And from some of the things I've heard you say before is that that that is something that I think maybe I'm putting words in your mouth, that that's something that needs to be changed that we need to embrace. I'm having conversations around the breakfast table. Not about the weird dream, but about the dream and the meaning it has to to us, you can have a

conversation about the weird dream because etymologically weird means wise. Yeah. So why not? I had a weird Greenwalt. I mean, I gave a presentation at women nation a few years back, and was called being weird,

being weird.

I had a lot of fun with that talk. Because the first words out of my mouth were, every time I talk to somebody about dreams. They say I had the weirdest dream last night, I could have that tattooed on my forehead. And yet, there is wisdom in that dream. There's wisdom in a dream. That's one sentence. We spent one group of women, we spent an entire three hour period, unpacking the word darkness. Think about that. And we did a hand washing ritual at the end of that night. Let me read you the dream that came out of that. That night. I looked up. I am in an unknown.

So it's part of me. Is this your dream? Or is this

is my dream? Okay? I wouldn't I don't I don't share my clients dreams because they're confidential. For sure. Thank you. I am in an unknown, Misty faraway place. Someone speaks of Eleusinian mysteries. I reach behind me to lift away three layers of something like cardboard. A banker tells me I cannot lift those layers away. But I do anyway. You can't stop me I say. Somewhere there is a sense of apples. Now, if you had that dream, what would you possibly think?

I don't know. I guess what I'm struggling with is the banker. I don't know if that's significant. It was a banker specifically. But that caught my attention and him telling you can't do that. And you knowing that you can that you are going to there's power there. I feel empowered, in hearing that. An apples to me is something that is comforting. It reminds me of my grandma and being in a place of comfort. So you know, those are little things that pop for me. But that's me what? Tell us what, you know, what did this do mean to you?

Well, I could ask you a few questions. Why is the dream in a misty faraway place? Huh? Why does the dream speak of Eleusinian mysteries? I mean, how many amongst your listeners know an el cine and mysteries? I don't know what it is. I didn't either. I hadn't a clue. Dreams often come from your unconscious or the collective unconscious. Okay, that's interesting. The Collective is the history of the world, the Akashic records. And so, if I if I'm looking for something, it's behind me, and it's three layers out, false because it's a cardboard, it's not real cardboard, just. It's not real. And I think there's something behind me. There's nothing behind me. Certainly not cardboard. What has been banked. It's been kept in storage. That's what banks do. And so you can't stop me. And then I sent out apples. Think of women and apples and think of methodology women and apples. Okay, so who was Eve? You mean who was Eve? Who was the symbol symbology of the apple. Yeah. Yeah, the original dissertation is called the apple and the talking snake, right? Yeah. So this dreams I awake from the dream. Thinking to myself, I am for the very first time. pleased I am woman. Hmm. I feel connected warm, filled with a deep and peaceful energy. I remember the dream with the apples later in the morning, when I ended up Strathcona Academy and Connie Microsoft Office, there's a ceramic Apple sitting on her desk. It's a Christian school, a ceramic apple, and I dream of Eleusinian mysteries, which I couldn't even spell them. When I finally went looking and looking and looking at took a long time before I found anything on eldest Indian mystery, Esther Harding went to the Eleusinian mysteries and their ancient women's blood rights. Ancient women's blood rights. Dreams are often full of methodology. Our culture almost laughed at mythology. We so it's a huge learning curve.

Yeah. I know that you you've become I think your words radical feminist. That your words radical feminist. That was that the having those dreams? Was that the beginning of that? Was that giving you insights into the direction that you were taking? Or where you were already on that? Absolutely. You were already on the path.

I was on the path to at some degree. My students often said, I actually my colleagues in Newser after high school gave me a podium as a gift. And because I spoke for myself, lots of women, don't we worry way too much about what somebody is going to think. So we don't necessarily speak our truth. One of the one of the truths I had to deal with the last five years, maybe it was six or seven doesn't matter. One of the things was lorilee. Scott asked in a workshop. Where am I complicit in my own silencing? Great question. Where am I complicit in my own silencing? Where do I shut myself up? Because I don't want somebody mad at me. I don't want somebody criticizing me. You know, I want everything to be just peaceful and, and just what do you do? Isn't this wonderful? Yeah, sometimes it isn't. I was a vice principal and administrator and a consultant, and I taught at the university, sometimes you really have to stand up for yourself. Really have to stand out for yourself, you have to say things like, No, I'm not doing that period. Don't tell me again, I'm just not. Some people don't like that.

So what I'm hearing is that it was through your dreams that you found empowerment, and understanding of who you are, that you can step into be this woman that your dreams are showing you

that you could be and that medication fill me meditation, meditation was huge in this. I mean, I went that first six months. There were so many things that happened that just I suppose deepened my soul when I grew up very, very, very, very Catholic. Okay. And I

just want to ask you one quick question, just so I'm falling. So that was when you first started having are asking for dreams. That was that when you say that, that first six months, so when you were in your early forming December 1988.

And in the next six months? Yeah, I had. I couldn't I couldn't go through it if you like. But you can read it all in my book in book one as well. It's called either woman planting the tree, which comes from the story of banana.

Okay, that title and that descendant poetry?

Yeah, that just sent an asset. That's December 11. December 31. I was in such a tizzy. You have no idea. I left the house that night slamming doors and just having a fit to myself. My computer wouldn't work. I was just enraged by that computer. I took my daughter to the babysitter or not. He was staying overnight there. She wanted to go there. I was peaceful Curie and all the rest of it, you can do that. You can go from wherever you are to, okay, I'm perfect. I had a great mask in those days, I can put on a mask, then in that evening was a goal setting workshop. And while part of that goal setting was medication, and one of the men across the room, I'd never seen him before, never saw him since said I have a vision for you. Parokya, you won't accept it. Okay. He said, It's a river of silver coin. And a voice it's and sunflower is a field of sunflowers and a voice that says, the endurance run is over. Think about those words, the endurance run is over. I left that evening, that workshop ceiling like $8 million. That was the 31st on the 21st of January. So that's three weeks later, I went to a charismatic renewal event. Now, people in the in our modern era, people take religion as some kind of bad thing. Perhaps it is. It's got its downside without doubt.

However, it's not a greatness to it to those

amazing amount of greatness. While I was there, I didn't wasn't taken with the speaker at all. One not wandering a bit, I was planning to leave. When I found myself at the front of the room. And a man a big tall, heavyset man, and his little tiny bird like wife prayed. And this lady got so excited. And she said, Jesus is here. And a great insult has been healed. I flew home a great I had no idea what he was talking what she was talking about a great insult, it didn't matter. My energy went through the roof. Last January 21. There is a there was incredible turmoil that came in the next three weeks. I at one point was standing in front of a window with a I shouldn't put maybe even admit this, but it's true. Paper Cutter in my hand that weighed about eight pounds, and I'm about to smash the window and go out it. I mean, this is not much fun. However, I found my girlfriend fold at that moment. And I asked her if we could meet that night. And we did at her and her friend's house. We went into meditation again. And that's where the whole story came out about the molestation. And not only that I was given the gift of compassion and forgiveness. I'm mumbling to myself, that poor man,

that poor man,

my girlfriend is saying I'll kill him. I mean, I that in that moment, that healing that took place. Now. I've asked many people who read my books. So did you see the miracle part? No. What part was that pearl? I don't know why that is if the modern world doesn't accept miracles. Hmm, I don't know. But I went on from that to do a whack of healing work. But Never has there been another moment as high or as joyful. Has that. Wow, you want to talk about peace and joy? I can tell you 100 times about that night and feel the same way every time. That's awesome. It really, really Yes.

And was the joy of did it come from the compassion and the forgiveness and the forgiveness. You released something?

It was just gone and it was gone. That's interesting. Isn't it ever? Thank you for sharing that. It mean, for me? That was a profound moment. I think profundity protection brings joy. Yeah.

100%. So it's so I'm piecing some stuff together. You're it was a combination of asking for Dream. Recording. You have putting them down meditating. Were you during your meditation. Were you Was there something

you were focusing on? Was it I was getting messages throughout the meditation for several years? Okay. One of them was things like, because you get very full of doubt when you start using it. That couldn't have really happened yet. It really happened.

Yeah, I've been there. Well, yeah, yeah.

My inner voice. Inner Voice said things to me like, I would rather that you doubt, then be blinded by your certainty.

Right about that, like that. Isn't that awesome? Write that down.

I would rather that you doubt and be blinded by her certainty. That's beautiful. Yeah. Because I,

I go down that path of doubt around because I feel like the veil is just starting to lift, you know, it's a really amazing things. And I'm like, is, is that really did that really happen? Is my imagination just so fanciful? That it's creating things, you know, because I have to logically connect the dots and sometimes I can't logically connect the dots. And it's just, it's interesting. I don't know. Yeah. Okay. So I put out just just the other day, a podcast about automatic writing, and shared some, some downloads that came to me through automatic writing. And it was pretty powerful, really powerful. I've been doing this actually for a while, but it was the first time I've shared it publicly. And there was definitely some vulnerability that went with it, right. And the day I put it out, I went for a walk. That's my thing is I, you know, I go for a walk in nature. And I have my conversation with God in the universe. And I'm just like, asking the universe is this, you know, is this real is are you actually speaking to me through my automatic writing? Or is it just my imagination and and if it's, if it's real, you know, send send me some kind of message. And that very night, friend of mine, she called me up. And first she said, I just she had just discovered my podcast. It's yeah, she just discovered my podcast. And she listened to it. And she was so moved by this one that I did. And it was, it's about the message, the core message was about being love, like you are loved. You are loved. You are not not loved. You are Love you body love. And that was the message that I was getting that yes, you are loved. And you are love. And my girlfriend just she just raved about it, which was really sweet. And then she says, You have to go check out this. Lee Harris, who is a channeler. And she just googled him. And this almost the same exact message, the same words that I had said in my my thing were repeated in what he was doing. And then she said, and this is the part I'm trying to get to, is that she got a strong message that she needed to reach out and tell me to keep doing this. And I'm like, yeah.

So on that note, I need I have to, I have to reach behind me, because I am going to read you something. Wrong side. This is this is the first book. Now this first this first, this comes from an experience I had on my front deck. I have a big musical pine out there. I was praying that to heal my shoulders. I was 3536 Whatever I was at, I had to vacuum my house. I we have three kids. And I work full time. There's lots of things to do on Saturday morning. And that noodle pie lit up into a blue translucent white. And I got this energy download. And I flew around this house, you would not believe how quick I clean this house. And that's, that's the beginning of it. And so channeling I don't use that word very often. But it's absolutely what happened.

Yeah, I'm a little uncomfortable with that word, too, because it's so new to me. But

I mean, let's face it. If you read the Bible, what do people think God is doing? Or Jesus is doing or whoever they believe in? Yeah, that's coming from

I totally believe that too. And I believe that our inner wisdom is coming to us from God the divine within, right. So that I guess is is channeling I just feel like come on.

I mean, I sang for many years in church, make me a channel of your peace. Your channel as your love channel out, on and on and on. Well, when it happens, why would you not believe that? Yeah, yeah.

logical mind is saying this isn't this does not connect. And so

let me talk about logic. Let me just mention logic. Please, I need logic is dare I say it on a podcast? Yes. I have 20 cows on my farm. We turn that into calm Post is called BS. No. So logic is highly overdone. The nerve, the new neuroscience says, it really doesn't exist. We have been sold a bill of goods by Descartes and the boys from the 17th century, or whenever he was about maybe it was 18 Doesn't matter, they can look them up. He, he convinced people that they have a rational mind. Well, our rational mind is rather limited. In fact, I would venture to say, the channeling is incredibly irrational. The feminine is irrational. The feminine is the environment, what's rational in the environment? around you, the trees follow a rational pattern of thought really, does have flowers in my yard as a horse follow a rational. Does my dog buddy follow my rational pattern and spot you have to get through their day quite well? Thank you. The work I did in dreaming is irrational. It's weird. It's all of the things that our logical culture patriarchal logic does not accept, right. Yeah. And so, of course it challenges our logic, we have lived with logic, and women have lived with the masculine. We need to develop our feminine, right, which is irrational. You've often been accused of being hysterical I say so what? What's your point? Do you even know where hysteric comes from? No. Well read Foucault. And the origin of of hysterical is comes from the start it began in the womb. This notion of hysteria and harassment rational is that how rational witchcraft? I mean, there's many, many, many examples of what's not rational. And yet dreamwork is not rational. Most cars didn't do right, irrational.

So we need to embrace the irrational

waste reduction. So let's embrace challenge for a minute. Yeah, I mean, I mentioned January, or December 31. Let me see if I can find it. As all the all these messages that come here's a message. I call them promptings. You have put the process in motion, surrender, trust, remember the promises we made to you. We had another life we've had other lifetimes. So that's one. Let me go back a little bit further. There's a dream. So it has to come after that. January 2 1989. I am in the blackest of deep in the in the deepest of black moods. I wonder if all my extraordinary spiritual development is some kind of McCobb joke. Remembering the absolute worst of times, I think only of crawling under the bed and staying there forever. I am crying and curious. The new computer doesn't work. I am. I'm supposed to be at Jerry's by seven o'clock. I can't I can't I simply can't. I put a plan in my head. I'll drop Rachel off and come straight home. I slammed the bedroom door on the way out and done Mrs. Whole stupid idea of meditation. Calm and civil. I got Rachel with Yvonne for a few days. I smile and greet the group. I sit to meditate. That's how I mean that's how this journey goes. And there's so enraged one second, and you put on your mask and go do what you have to do the energy return stronger. I receive a deeply moving version of sunflower seeds, a forest of trees and a beautiful river of coins. I have never seen the man who voiced the vision before. I never seen him before. I have not seen him since. Now. Why is that? Was he real? I don't know. And he certainly came words that left my whole body vibrating. I mean, you can't make this stuff up. I don't think no. I mean, and if this is the next one, beloved child you have waited for this year and it's time to come. It is time to step forward into the coming age of perfection. This is the end of the endurance run You and your family will see joy, happiness, peace and prosperity, light love and knowledge behind me. beyond your wildest comprehension. This was a promise made to you when you walked on the sand at Galilee. Like, if she doesn't make you stop and what is going on here? Yeah. Yeah. Be at peace child. And that is it. And so I mean, I carried on somehow or other in the face of what, what I read it out loud sounds preposterous.

Being in the experience myself, it doesn't sound preposterous. And I maybe it's just another form of confirmation I needed to hear. So thank you for sharing with me. And it's, this is a journey and those who are listening to the show, I suspect are on a similar journey are curious to be on that journey, right? are open to it. And that's what's it's so beautiful, because it's we don't have all the answers. We've got interesting ideas that you can explore that will take you deeper into understanding thyself. And that's really all that matters. And there's so much learning that happens when you are when

you are open. Right? When you are what happens for me it? I don't understand much. I really don't. I mean, knowledge is not understanding. Information is not understanding. But boy, have I got questions? Yeah. Be curious. Oh, man, I've got 1,000,002 questions need to need to know. So. I mean, you, you figure out after 75 years of living, that you know, nothing? You really do. I mean, 75 years isn't even a click. Yeah, out of the millions that the universe has been around, right. So what makes you think we know something in one lifetime? For heaven's No,

I haven't had that very thought just the other day. And I want to know so much more. And the more I know, the more I realized the little I know, much more, which I find actually really exciting. And maybe that's what will keep us young, is that quest to keep learning and trying to understand ourselves a little more and understand the universe a little bit more and tap into that collective consciousness a little bit more and all that stuff. It's just so I find it riveting riveting. I want to be mindful the time and I want to capture that we want to give our listeners a few things that they can walk away with that might help them understand their dreams a little bit more. Is there. Are there any techniques you tapped into a couple of them at the beginning? We talked about putting it out there asking for for dreams and then that 10 You know, write it down 10 times. I will remember this dream tonight. What else? What else can we? Well, the first

thing you you do you write down your dream? Okay, and you don't write any you don't pretend you know what it means. Don't put any probably don't write just get right. In my dream. Yeah, I was walking down the road past my grandparents farm. Or my I mean, you can read dreams in my in all of my books. And that's how they all start that comes from that book that I read the first. So I'm writing down and I'm writing it in present tense, because that dream is happening and always happening.

Oh, that's interesting. I mean, right? Write it in present tense. That's

right. It in present tense. And, and write down precisely what happened in the dream. No additions? No. subtractions. Right. Be honest.

Right? Even then it makes absolutely no sense. Just put it in there doesn't matter.

Absolutely. And put it in there. The worst dream you've had in your life, write it down as it happened. An incessant rain. You're making love to the next door neighbor, or whatever it is. It gets written down. Right? Because there's symbolism in the dream. And the dream is

not necessarily literal either. Right? So God

nothing literal in a dream. Literal. Okay, one thing? No, I lie. 2% of dreams are pretty cognitive. Only 2%. Well, that's what the research says. Maybe it's three. It's very little. Very, very little. Maybe it's 10. But that's still pretty little, huh? I mean, if I look for literality in my dream, why would I bother with a dream? Hmm. I mean, the dream tells us what we do not know. And we're pretty hard. We don't really accept that we think we know everything. I just finished saying we don't know Do I mean to take about a dream I read you about the Alasania mysteries? We asked about, we didn't ask about the big thing, the Alice in the mystery. We stopped, the apples are comforting and something to do with whatever knowledge when it's sim it's old, old ancient mythology. Mythology is huge in dreams. And so write down everything, write down everything. And then I would leave it for a day or two and see what happens. You can even write down I want to understand I intend to understand, help me understand. Like you asked him in your when you were meditating. I need to give me a sign. You know? And then don't be don't think a sign is too easy. You're a man. Don't make it up signs is what I guess what I'm trying to say, to confirm what you think already. But if you leave that dream for a couple of days, you will be amazed you'll be reading something, huh? There it is that that could possibly mean? It the universe sends us so many things we don't pay attention to. I mean, like, it's like when I walked into Connie's office the next morning, and there was there was the apple on her desk, and I suddenly remembered the dream. Yes. That's

so cool. Yeah.

Often I would get in the shower, and I wouldn't remember I got it had a dream. Obviously, you're singing away. You know? What was the song? I remember singing one. Oh, pistol packin. Mama. I'm singing in the shower pistol. packin. Mama. Right. All of a sudden, the dream returns? Yeah, I've got a gun. And I'm ambushing and shooting myself. Pistol packing mama. I'm honored against the world. That's what the dream was about. Like who would come up with that? So just tell your dream to one trusted confidant, not somebody who's going to babble it everywhere. But your husband, some person who you trust the most. Somebody who will not say oh, that that's easy. That means because they don't know. You know, and will know quicker than anyone else. ask as many questions as you can about the dream. Read as much as you can about mythology. And if you must find, no, that's not a good idea. Give it some time. And let it come through you. Just like the channeling comes through, you know, and maybe it doesn't have okay, what would you do as a dream like this? It's October 19. No. 2017, the 27th of October afternoon. And I have a dream. And that dream bolts me up right in bed. And green kaleidoscope of colors going around and round in this kaleidoscope and a voice that says I am the divine feminine. Might I? It took me a long time to go back to sleep after that one. And I'm still pondering what does that really mean? Other than I looked out at the universe, and I saw every green color possible. That is the divine feminine. And that's who we are. That's who men and women have that. Feminine isn't just for women. Yeah, no, not at all. It's a it's every bit as much for the men because they are nurturers and can be nurturers. They're creative and can be creative. We need to accept it in the rat in the patriarchal culture. That's that gets you started Audra, join a dream circle. Come with me and join the circle.

And we'll get some more information at this before we wrap up. Can you join a dream circle online?

Or is it wow, we do zoom calls with Dream circles. So on my grant circles are all over North America and a couple in Europe.

I would love to hear more about that. I just got a couple more quick questions for you. I have been told that when people appear in your dream, that they represent part of yourself. Yes. Is that that is true. It's not necessarily so if my husband shows up in my dream, it's not actually that I'm dreaming about my husband, but maybe

something that a masculine part of yourself

is showing up. Yeah. And so so do you ask yourself what what does that person mean to

me what I asked my I asked my client client two questions. What do you dislike about that person? And they don't like to answer that one. But I always insist one thing that makes you crabby that's been bugging you. Now if you're trying to tell me nothing bugs you about anybody I'm going to, I'm going to say Liar, liar, liar. Liar, liar pants on fire my pants on fire. And what do you like about that person? What do you most like? What do you most dislike? And then say to yourself, that's me

I don't like the dislike part. But guaranteed if you look at yourself with that, I will be honest, and that the unexamined life is not worth living. Well, where do I exhibit the same behavior that I just like in someone else? Because that's usually what we do.

Right? I often tell my clients if you get triggered by somebody, yes. Look at what what is it that's triggering you because you're seeing yourself in?

So that's the same thing. Anita? Okay, you've just said the same thing. Just like and like, yeah,

yeah. Okay, that's really interesting. Okay, so that's, that's a really good tip when somebody is in your dream to explore what is it that you like about that individual and what you dislike about that individual? And what that that means to you? Maybe where that will reveal again, I'm putting words in your mouth that will yield something in your life that you need to to explore.

Exactly that I can explore. Yeah,

that's interesting. That's really cool tips that we can use. Yeah, yeah. Learn about ourselves and our dream. Totally. So imagine you must keep a dream journal right by your bed like, Yeah, I do. I do write instantly, right.

I do. I mean, dreams now, at my age, or maybe it's just a dry period? I don't know. They're nowhere near as frequent as those seven years where I worked on that on dreams from 88 to 9596. It was unbelievable. Well, I'm,

I'm curious about that, because I suspect it's because you were you were asking for it. You were one

I was immersed in it. Yeah. I was. I was obsessed. Yeah. With my own healing. Yeah. Because

you're looking for answers and

dreams. Yes, exactly. asking question. Question. Question. And Austin got answers in my dreams, not literal answers. Yeah. Unpack it. Yeah. There were some symbolism there in gold. I did. I did my dissertation. My husband died in 2000. very suddenly, I was 56. I went back to university in 2005. I did a dissertation using dreams. And though, throughout that period of time, the thing that I learned from Dreams was just an amazing, no.

No, so be gold there if you're willing to put the time into

Yes. Dig it up. Right. I think it's an investment in yourself. And self is the capitalist self. The Divine Self

herself. Yeah. Okay, I've got a little question for you. And I'm curious on your thoughts about this. So a while ago, it's probably a couple of months ago. Now. I wasn't calling into bed, I would say take me on an adventure. Right. And I had some crazy adventures.

And to the point where I actually had to stop asking, you know, getting the proper sleep anymore. So are those dreams? Telling me anything? Or am I literally just going on an adventure?

Well, she's okay. When was the last time you went on an adventure out your front door?

Well, I go on an adventure every day.

So think about any adventure. One of the please remember the title of this book. This this gentleman wants to go on an adventure goes into his garage. And the whole adventure unfolds. It's your imagination.

Yeah, totally. Okay, so So you're saying that calling of that you know, send me on an adventure is my imagination that's,

but think about imagination. Okay, imagination. In dreams. We use something called active imagination. Imagination is real. Imagination is real. It's not just your imagination anymore. Isn't it? Just a dream? Imagination is been part of my literally lost in our culture. Oh, no, it's got to be real. It's got to be rational. Right back. We need a lot of dreaming and a lot of irrationality to solve our environmental climate crisis. No cut. kidding, what a great point. You know, we need a lot of dreams and a lot of imagination to solve our patriarchal problem. That gives me hope. Yes, you better believe it. I say that women, women, dreamers change the world. Not just when the gamer, but those are mostly who I work with, I have one man who comes religiously, you know. But I did a podcast on my son's sports show a couple times now or not a podcast you interviews. He's a great interviewer. We did this thing on mental health dreams and sports. And afterwards, Jason challenged his male listeners in sports, to step up to the plate, and begin to deal with their own feminine and their own healing and stop waiting for the women to do it all. Which I found quite endearing. I got five phone calls after that for men. Great. You know, I think they're waiting to be invited. Yeah, I'm sure. You know, because that's that's their this is their world. Yeah, absolutely. I haven't I have a dental surgery employment at 130. Okay.

Recession. It was beautiful. Thank you. Um, final question, just tell us how our listeners if they wanted to connect with you, what's the best way for them to do that. And of course, we'll include that information in the show notes. But just the best

way to connect with me is through my website, okay, dreams along the way. You can join a dream so you can join the Dream circle, but you can fill out the application for a dream circle. I don't have any now until September. You can arrange through the through subscriber process on the website to begin private sessions with me. I do private sessions an hour session, an hour and a half session. And I do while right. I just started this a family of dreamers. Oh, cool. There's four people in the family. I don't have that on the website. But if that's an interest, I would develop that and put it on the website. So you can contact me there's a question. There's a little question form you can fill out. That website is packed with information and podcasts and all manner of things. Great.

Yeah, I've explored your website there's some great right. Okay. And we'll also include links to your your books, which I believe are also on your website.

They're also on Amazon there I have a dream journal on Amazon and three books that I've written about my own personal journeys to dreams.

Great. Well, per what a absolute delight to sit and chat I have a feeling you'd I could sit for hours just having conversations about this. I really appreciate your time and, and the learning that has come.

And I really appreciate being asked to do this interview. I need it. It is so important that we spread this information far and wide. I agree.

Wonderful. Thank you so much Pearl and joyful journey or thank you for tuning in. I really hope you enjoyed our show today. And we will catch you next time.