Dissolving Fears - A Conversation with Jana Beeman

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Hey, joyful journyer Anita Adams here your host and today I'm pleased to introduce you to Jana Beeman, who is here to talk to us about dissolving fears and stepping into your power to create a life you love. Now, let me tell you a little more about Jana first. Jana is a wellness and business coach and nondenominational minister and a metaphysical practitioner. She is also a serial entrepreneur, starting her first business when she was just 12 years old. Currently, Jana runs three businesses, spirituality for today.com and balanced life.com and create your dream practice.com. And of course, we'll put those links in the show notes for you to check them out. Jana has a love for personal and professional development. She completed her master's in interpersonal psychology, and a focus on fear or weather with a focus on fear and is currently finishing her PhD in quantum technology. And she carries roughly 35 certifications, including one in hypnosis, NLP and EFT. As a teacher and certified master coach trainer, Jana helps people find their voice hone their skills and become a force for change in the world. And Jana was introduced to me by a mutual colleague who thought we should connect given that we are both currently living in Portugal. And when Jana shared her story about moving to Portugal and how listening to her inner wisdom has guided much of her life's journey, I realized she needed to be on this show. So thank you, Gemma for accepting my invitation and joining us today. Welcome. Welcome.

And this is my cat Miss Mar, who also made the journey with me so he traveled boy.

I love that Miss Mara has shown up on camera with us. What a cuddle buddy.

He has this moment. Usually he's just bossing me around.

Now I've heard when animals show up on on screen or in interviews that they're picking up some kind of energy and they are drawn to that energy. Is that it? What's your thought on that? Is that true?

You know from from the time he was a tiny kitten, and he's 17 years old now. From the time he was a tiny kitten every time I've done any kind of video broadcast, or was teaching a class or something. He'd walk on the couch behind me, he'd end up on the chair in front of me the tail would go in front of me. And you know so much a

camera hog. The camera dog is a beautiful creature to the camera. I love it. All right. Before we jump into today's theme, I wanted to know I need to know what kind of business did you start when you were 12 years old?

Well, I moved out of my house when I was 12. And so I needed to find a way to have a place to stay and not end up on the street. So I started a live in babysitting service. And so I went to basically all night diners and looked for working moms who were on the night shift and just kind of volunteered to babysit their kids in exchange for room and board. Wow.

That's quite impressive. How long did you do that for?

Um, about three years off and on. I had some different situations in and around that. But yeah, mostly three years. I had one kid who I was with for at least a year and a half. So

was it basically you set yourself up as a nanny? Yeah, and then marketed yourself by going after the moms that were working very Very cool, very, very clever. I love that. And to start so young, 12 years old, that's you?

Well, you know, and I wanted to stay in school and I was a musician. So I wanted to be able to, you know, do my music stuff. And so if I was babysitting, I would just take the kids with me. And I just, you know, that's what I did. So, for a long time, I was hauling this little tiny blonde girl around with me. And I was, I think, in ninth grade at that time, it was probably my last year of high school, because I graduated two years early, but and some of the teenage guys who are not always necessarily too bright, it's not that your daughter? Well, let's see. I'm 1415 Whatever I was now so and she's five. No, I don't think so.

Well, very cool. What is so innovative for you, if there's a if there's a will, there's a way you needed to find a way to make money and wanted to continue your education, which you have done in spades, like your your ongoing education, clearly, you have a passion for your personal growth, and to expand yourself, I think, which is just fantastic. Now, why why did you decide to focus or choose fear as your focus for your masters in interpersonal psychology,

I was teaching for an international wellness school at the time, I'm still on their faculty, but I was doing active classes right then. And the one thing that I saw is almost every coach that I was training, had all this fear around, you know, stepping out into the limelight, and having to be the face of their business and all of this self sabotage. And, you know, fear is at the base of everything, and I've struggled with it my entire life, I had agoraphobia, and I still have some vestiges of it, but not as bad as I did. But which makes it hilarious that I moved across the planet to Portugal, but by myself with a cat. But the fear is just the thing that stops people and fear is just an energy, it's not a real life thing. It actually isn't a block, it's the perception of it becomes the block. So it's the way people react to fear that stopped them. And fear is the thing that stops so many people from doing so many things. And I've kind of made a life out of not doing that, even though the fear is there. You know, I wanted to be a professional dancer, somebody said, oh, you can't do that you have the wrong body type, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And, you know, I could have just said, okay, and crawled back in my cave. But I just turned around and said, Watch me. And I made a different kind of dance career, and was able to perform for 35 years.

So inspiring. So is it a matter of changing the stories that you're telling yourself in your head? Or what what is the secret to not having fear stop you.

I think it's just recognizing that the energy that we identify as fear is the same energy as excitement as passion as anything else. It's all energy. And so if you have a moment where you feel that shock of fear, and you say, Oh, my God, I'm scared, then you're, then you're deciding how you're going to react to that shock. But like, a different person with that same shock, might say, Oh, I'm so excited, I'm gonna go jump off this cliff now, you know, or gliding or whatever, right? It's the way that we interpret it, that really determines how we react to it. So FERS is, you know, it's just an energy. So, for me with, you know, being on stage for 20 million years and doing all of that thing. There's always that shock of energy before you go out on stage. I mean, even after 35 years, I happens every time. And it can either be the thing that throws you and really throws off your performance, or it can be the thing that energizes you and just says, let's go, let's go do this, you know, so you can just react to it differently.

Yeah,

I feel like that sounds more simple than it actually is.

practice to get to that point. It's just a matter of just saying, Oh, what is that feeling? I normally would say that's fear, but could it be that I'm on the edge of something really awesome. I like that. Right. One of my little quotes that I would say my students all the time, is, you know, when you feel the fear throw a party because greatness lies on the other side, it's when we take that shock of energy and use it to motivate us, instead of derail us, then we get to something that's bigger, because it will nearly always come up when we're about to take a step that's going to allow us to grow.

That is such a great saying, let's hear it. Let's hear it again, when you feel the fear throw around.

Because greatness lies on the other side,

because greatness lies on the other side. Awesome. Is there a process that can help us move into the fear? So if you feel the fear, you acknowledge the fear, and then you say, fear, this is energy, this is energy. And now I need to step forward? Because greatness is potentially on the other side? Is that is that it?

Basically, you know, you know, whenever I'm making a decision, if I don't feel that little twinge of fear, I know, it's probably not a big enough step.

That's an interesting way to measure things. If I don't feel that twinge of fear, it's not a big enough step. That's really interesting. So because

most of us, we retract from that feeling of fear, but when I go looking for it, that's when you grow.

When you go looking for it. Ooh, yes, that some kind of revolutionary the idea of going to look for the fear that will help you grow. Very interesting. So your decision to move to Portugal? I'm assuming there was, there was, must have been fear associated with that?

Well, yeah, because doing it on my own, and yeah, you know, I was living in a house where I'd been for 15 years that I had bought with my husband, and, and, you know, he was gone. And I was really kind of just struggling to keep the house and, you know, I was looking at, well, you know, I can work 100 hours a week and pay all my bills and be able to stay in this house, or, you know, because I'm kind of wanting to retire and, and, or at least partially, and so I looked at, maybe I need to do something different. So I looked at it, and maybe I should move to Arizona, like everybody says, you know, or Florida or something like that. But every place I looked at just didn't feel like it was a fit for me. And right around that time, I decided to take a trip to Italy, I actually just wanted to go on a cruise, one of my business coaching clients was, is a travel agent, she talked me into doing the cruise out of Rome. So that was kind of funny. And so that was my first trip abroad by myself in well, in a long time. And so that was kind of entertaining, but it really helped me see that I could easily live in Europe on my own. Right. And I've always been a fan of language and culture. And so it started me thinking, well, maybe that's someplace I need to look, it's a very different culture than what we have in the US. And a lot of the US stuff is part of what was kind of motivating me to want to go as well. So

interesting. I know when we spoke before you use, you talked about how you tuned in and listen to your inner wisdom. I don't know if you use that term inner wisdom. I think inner guidance is a term that is that the way you refer to inner guidance?

Yeah, I'm a I'm a chronic meditator. I really do look inward for just about everything. And most of the choices I've made in my life have been based on just that, that inner nudge. And so when I was when I was really thinking about, okay, so what do I want? And I started to really classify what I wanted, not in what it would look like, but how it would feel. I want to be part of a community. I want to feel safe and supported. I want to feel like I don't have to worry about money anymore. I want to feel about this and this and this. And I started really thinking about what do I want to be surrounded with, I want to be surrounded with nature, but I want to be close to people. I want to have community and I want to have peace. I want to have space to be creative, and I want to have space to be by myself. And so in really getting deep into what I want did, I allowed the manifestation of all that to come to pass. And so here it is two years after sitting down and really starting to think about all this stuff. And I've been in Portugal for a year now, you know, I have a big house that I could do retreats out if I want to. And I enjoy being in by myself, when I'm here by myself, I have a little animal family that sort of came with the house. That's hilarious. I watched a baby lamb be born the other morning. Now, there are four little lambs right in my vicinity here. And I'm on the edge of a forest that goes on for at least 100 miles. So but I'm also in a little little quintet or a little owl day. So I have a village, and I'm very close to town, so I can go into town and be more social. So pretty much everything that I wanted, I was able to manifest for myself, and I get to live mortgage free. And if I want to work, I can work. And if I don't want to work, I don't have to work.

That's fabulous. So the secret there is to really focus on the feeling of what it is that you want, not necessarily listing what you want the feelings first,

how you want to we tend to do is people when we're thinking about, what do I want, we think about what is it going to look like? Well, I want a house that's like this, and I want, I want this car and I want this kind of thing. And when you get caught up in in the what, then then you get stuck on the house. So if you could just kind of go into the How does it feel? How does it feel? How do I want to experience life? What energy do I want to be in? And you know, for me, I just wanted to be in peace and creativity, and community. And I did think a little bit about what do I want my house to look like? Because I was looking at houses online at the time and kind of thought, oh, I want a rooftop deck. Do I want this? Or do I want that. And it was really interesting, because I didn't get a house with a rooftop deck. But I got a house with a deck that looks like hello pad. It's hilarious. And it's extended out over the cliff. And so you can stand out on the out on this deck. And it's like you're looking over the top of the world. And that's so much better than a rooftop deck. So it's interesting how the little things that I thought, Oh, well, I'll never get that if I do this, or I'll have to give up on that. They just sort of morphed and became something that was in existence that matched everything else. So it's pretty funny the way it worked out.

Yeah, sounds sounds amazing. I'm hoping that I can come for a visit now that we're in the same country, maybe check out your bad. So when absolutely I

have a great guest room.

Tonight. It sounds amazing. I love everything that you're talking about. And so just ping it bring it back to the fear piece. What first off? Did you experience any fear with this this plan to move to Portugal? Or were you so tuned into the guidance and the whispers of your soul that that this was right that there was there wasn't that fear?

yes to both. There there are times when I felt very relaxed and varies then and oh, it's all unfolding the way it's meant to unfold. And then most of the fear I experienced honestly was around my animals because, you know, moving pets across the ocean is not always easy. And there were so many things that conspired to make that very stressful for me. And in some ways, I think maybe that was good because it kept me occupied. So that I could just go through the move and not worry about anything else. But on the other side of it. I did lose one of my cats. So you know that charge? She was Ms. Juarez twin sister, and she didn't make it. We were maybe in Portugal three weeks when I had to take her to the vet. And by overnight, I had to put her down

so I'm sorry to hear that and it's hard.

He's he's still struggling with that, which is why he gets so clingy sometimes he's sitting over there staring at me now.

Yeah, yeah. Well, and thanks for sharing that and and the reality is that fear is going to seep in from time to time no matter how much we believe in the guy And so first of our inner wisdom, right, and I think I perhaps I needed to hear that because I'm often I feel so convicted with the direction I'm, I'm on and, and guided and and it's like yeah, this is it. And then and then there's days where you're like, oh my god, what have I done? What am I doing? And the fear really creeps in any any recommendations on how to move through that? Is that just you just acknowledge it and move on? Or do you have ways of dealing with your fear when it comes up like that?

Um, you know, I think honestly, for me, I've gotten to a point where it's just like, oh, yeah, you're cool, okay. And that's about as far as I have to go anymore. I just focus on bringing my energy out of my head and back into my body. So taking a deep breath, feeling rooted and grounded. And because I'm a sober life Master, I can take about three deep breaths and just get all the way down into the seat of my, of my grounded self. And that's really comfortable for me. But I think just reconnecting with the body is super helpful, because we get up here and we spin, right, yeah. And the more we're spinning up here, the less we're breathing, and our body is getting stressed out. But if you can take a deep breath and just get into, like the Root Chakra, and just really ground yourself down. And that allows the, the spinning in the brain to stop.

Yeah,

yeah, my. So I mentioned to you earlier, before we got on the call that I used to every day, go for a walk in nature. And that was my way of grounding. And we've been here in Portugal, now for almost a month. And I've just found my nature path. And I've realized that I've always known but I've been reminded of the value of that time for me, just to step away from the craziness that's going on in my head. And being in nature helps me to, to push those that just settled down the noise that's happening in my head. So I'm really glad I found have not, I'm not a great meditator, I do meditate. But it's, it's hard for me to sit still. So get out or walk really helps.

One of the best meditations ever is walking meditation, where you just allow yourself to focus on your surroundings and breath. And, sorry, I always have cat fur on my face, like, okay. It's always happens. And just really use your walk to ground yourself. Because a lot of us are not good at sitting still and meditating. I can do both. But I walk a lot on the treadmill, because I'm doing physical therapy for a couple of ankle fractures that are not healed properly. And so when I'm on the treadmill, I can just hold on close my eyes and really go deep into meditation. And that really works well for me because I can take my half an hour or an hour of movement and use it to calm my mind. And I honestly, for probably about 20 years now I have none of the monkey mind that most people experience pretty much all the time. I swear I had like an entire family of squirrels out there for the first half of my life. And but being able to meditate on a daily basis, it just goes away.

Yeah. Awesome. I thank you for validating that time. The walk is a great form of meditation, I've I've long believed that as well. And you do what works for you. Right. And for me walking,

there's many different kinds of meditation and there's things that I do that like gibberish meditation, if I'm really anxious about something, if something coming up is just like a huge jump out of my comfort zone. That gibberish meditation is a great way to blow off all that steam and you're just like jump up and down and make any noise you can imagine you just act like a total maniac. And you know, just a minute or two of that and it like takes all of that out of your body and just let it go. And you know so that's super helpful when when you need to get that frenetic energy out. I mentioned

that can help you with fear as well like if you're difference maybe that fear of performance going out on stage or whatever. just doing that crazy call and gibberish meditation, yeah.

Meditation and, and I've used it when when I first started doing video because performing, I was really comfortable doing because as a dancer, you kind of you have this energy and it goes out there and does whatever it does. When I started doing, like health coaching and business coaching and I was doing videos, that was a very different can of worms. And I'd already been doing dance videos and yoga videos and all of that. So it's not that I hadn't been on video, but doing it as a person just talking about something I have in my brain that I can help people understand. That was a very different energy from being a performer. And my my first videos probably took me 40 or 50 takes to get one that I didn't hate. And during the gibberish meditation really helped with that it always feels completely stupid. And so you just have to be okay with feeling completely stupid, but but you're by yourself. Right? Exactly. And it's like, nobody can hear me, nobody can see me, I'm just gonna do this as get a feeling stupid. As soon as you start, it feels really, really good. And the bigger you go with it, the more of that excess energy you can just fling out and get out of your way. And that it has been super helpful. To be as a speaker, I would be I mean so fast and trying to cram so much information. And of course, people can't take it in when they're talking so fast. I have my one migraine audio that was like an hour long audio. And I think I tried to get my whole migraine program that took me 50 years to develop, crammed into this one hour audio is horrible. Just horrible.

That's great. So on your website, I checked out spirituality, while I check out all of your websites, you have some great stuff that you're doing, by the way, and I highly recommend listeners to check out those three websites. Again, I'll put them in the show notes. I liked a lot of stuff you were talking about on spirituality for today really resonated with some of the ways I think about the world and you know, the inner knowings that you talk about. Very in line with my own my own beliefs. You also talk about that practical and that was a term a practical spirituality. And it's the first time I've I've actually heard that term practical spirituality. Yeah, and again, I think on your website, you define it as the art of using inner knowing to guide your your daily decisions. You also talk about how practical spirituality is the science of using spiritual tools to manage your personal and environmental energy. And those tools then can help you resolve fears, blocks, old patterns that keep you stuck. So they the gibberish meditation that you just shared with that with us is that would you call that a spiritual tool?

Absolutely. Absolutely. The things that you use to manage your energy, the things that you use to help you get clarity, the things that you use to help you make decisions, the things that you use to help you grow as a person and become more of who you want to be in the world. You know, the things that help you make a bigger impact the things that help you decide what the impact is you want to make. Those are all tools that they're available for anybody to use. There's millions of them out there. Some of them are garbage, some of them are gold. And, you know, I've tried a little bit of everything. And okay, I've tried a lot of everything. I'm sort of a compulsive process Trier, and you know, and so for me being able to find the ones that work. That's kind of the process of like spiritual technology is like having, having those tools in your toolbox that you can go to when you when you need that guidance when you need that anchoring. When you need that grounding, when you need the ability to walk past your fear and get to the other side. Yeah. So there's a lot of tools in that toolbox.

Yeah, and I and I like that you said that there's so many different types of tools, and it's a matter of finding the tools that work for you. So the tools that may work for me are potentially going to be quite different than the tools that work for you.

Yeah, and I've been looking for a lifetime so when I was just a teenager, I already had horrible chronic migraine. And then I tried biofeedback. And that helped a little bit, but it kind of got me onto meditation. So I started meditating regularly as a, as a daily practice went before I was 16. And I meditated my entire life. And then I found hypnosis and I decided, well, I'm going to become a practitioner, because that will help me know it well enough to use it for myself. And then I found the Silva back then it was called Silva mind control. Now it's the silver life process. And I actually took several intensive weekends with Jose Silva, personally. And those things helped me get some control over how I perceived the pain I was living in. And, you know, so there are a lot of different tools. NLP is a tool. EFT tapping is a tool. And tapping is a tool that I think works for a lot of things exceptionally well. And yeah, there's just there's so many tools, and if you kind of just keep looking for what works, and I kind of blend the psychological side of life with the spiritual, practical side of life, because I think, you know, you can't really separate the spirit from the body. No philosopher has been trying to do that for 1000 years, but you know, we're in this body, the Spirit lives in it. So we need to really maintain both. And so a lot of the tools I use are maybe considered more psychological. And that's fine, because you can use them with a spiritual intent. And it's the intention that makes them work or not work for you.

Yeah. Do you have a set of, of tools that you call on the most to recommend to your clients that are going through changes or trying to deal with disability dating fear?

Um, yes, I use a lot of hypnosis tools with my fear based clients. Because fear is just energy and being able to reframe it make change possible. I had a client who was terrified of flying, and her company moved her from Boston over to Italy. And so she, she was coming to me for something entirely different. And the she happened to mention that and I said, Do you want to work on that a little bit, we can spend a couple sessions and see if we can get you some tools in place that you can use. So I gave her some posthypnotic suggestions, I gave her some fear maintenance tools. And she was able to fly to Italy, and then come back to visit her parents at Christmas. And she just said, you know, that was the first time ever that I've been to an airport, and I didn't have a panic attack, I didn't even feel scared. I didn't have to drag myself on the plane, I was able to just stay conscious and enjoy the trip. And she goes, and I did. So there are a lot of tools that can make a massive difference. And then I also work with like energy work, and their energy work tools that will help you kind of manage different things, but they don't work for everything all the time. They kind of work when they work. And is

Is there one one tool that you can recommend that listeners can do on their own without having to hire a practitioner to help them through transitions or to move through fear that is stopping them?

You know, one thing that I do like and this is something that I have recommended to my students and my clients over the years, oran dobbin.com, they offer a series of really nice, channeled meditations, I don't know how I feel about channeling honestly, I don't really understand where they think it's coming from and all that. That's just that's not my thing. And I finally decided that I don't care because I really liked the audio so much, and I probably owned 50% of the ones they've ever put out. They're like $7 apiece, and you can download them on their website. And there are some wonderful ones like for courage and consistency. There's ones for money there. And many, many is one of my favorite things to work on fear around that that's one of my favorite things. I used to do a workshop for the school on how to best through many blocks.

Let's talk about that a little bit because I know that's a big one and I know that I've had issues with with that. So I'm curious what your Are your key takeaways on how to how to deal with money blocks, or is that too big of a topic too,

it's a pretty big topic, but there's a way to look at money that I think can shift things for people is the way I look at money, it's energy, it is a form of transferring abundance, right? It's, it's a way that we can pass abundance from ourselves to someone else or from them to us. And so many is really an energy. So if we let go of worrying about the physical form of it, the dollar bills, the Euros, whatever, then we can just see money as an energy and energy cannot be created or destroyed, there is always an infinite amount of it. And all it can do is change form. So the energy of money is like a river. And all we really have to do is wade into it, and dip our hands into it and scoop out as much as we need it, it may take a moment or two to start manifesting into the bank account, and you have to take some actions to open a door to let that happen. It's not like oh, I'm gonna wish for money and it's gonna rain for the sky. It's not the way manifestation works, you have to, you have to take some steps, you have to plant some seeds, you have to open some doors. As a religious Science practitioner, we used to say treat and then move your feet. So you would do a mental treatment for whatever thing you are trying to manifest. And then you would take some action to make that happen. So it's not like you have to go and force it, forcing it usually makes money go away. So but opening some doors, it's like, if you're standing there going, I have no money and you're not working, then maybe you go apply for some jobs. They you may not get any of the jobs, but it opens an energetic door. So nothing can flow in if the door is shut. Gotta be an actor, you have to open some doors, right? Awesome. And so if you're really looking at money as a flow of energy, and if you think about water, water gets everywhere. Water can come in, believe me, I've been dealing with a leaky roof for since I moved into my house here. And water is sneaky, it can find its way in any place. Money is like that, too. So if you really think of money, like a flow of energy, like a river, then just scooping that energy into your life, and letting it trickle in from any of those weird places it can manifest from, you know, I've walked down the street and found $100 bills. And it's happened to me multiple multiple times, it's not that good was just one time. Or, you know, back in college, if I was really desperate for money, because I needed textbooks. Somebody would come into the restaurant where I worked graveyard shift, and they leave me like a $300 tip. And all of a sudden, all my textbooks recovered. So it happened over and over and over and over and over again for me. And I know that I'm not just a person who does super well at manifesting, it can happen for anybody that is willing to scoop into that energy, and then just trust that it's going to show up. But you have to open the door. So that has a place to come in through. Yeah,

I know the times in my life when I've been in that flow. Things have just materialized got it seemingly nowhere. And you're like how did that happen? And you're just like,

well just say Be thankful and ingratitude and,

and carry on with that energy. I love that. Wonderful, thank you I really liked this concept of fear is energy and money is energy.

Everything is energy. I mean, we're at JFK, think about it. We are just energy that has taken a denser form than the air around us. But it's all the same energy. You know, I look at, you know, the hills that are spread out in front of me and the cats and the birds and the sheep. And it's all energy and that to me is just so magical.

Yeah, it is magical, isn't it and when you can be in awe about that magic around you. I think that's when you can allow the energy to flow more easily two sons part of part of maybe lifting the blocks is seeing the magic and being in awe.

And what are the other pieces that occurred to me as you were saying that one of the key pieces is to look at the things that that are spread out around you and see the the divine energy in them and then see that you are no different from that because we tend to separate self from us. there, but it's all the same energy, we're made out of the same energy, there's a little black cat walking towards me outside. And that little black cat has the same energy that is in every single one of my cells, I can feel it. Like, if I wanted to tell the little black hat, just stop, he just did. So because the energy is exactly the same, and we resonate with each other, and we're all connected. And because we're all made of the same stuff, but we have this feeling of separation. And that feeling of separation is what blocks you from the flow of, of financial abundance and, and that whole spiritual energy flow.

That's really interesting. So you said something, you stop, and you feel the energy of the cat. So that was the first thing that you're kind of connecting, trying to trying to find that energetic connection first. And you you feel that, and then and then you can basically almost like communicate with the with the animal.

It's, you know, for me, it's animals. For other people, it might be something different, but for me anything in nature, I feel like, you know, when when the wind blows, I can hear it. Yeah, I know what it's telling me and I know where it's been and what adventures that's had. And, and, you know, everybody has different sensitivities. And mine happens to be nature. So

Yeah, mine too. Wonderful. I love this. Thank you so much, Jana, for your insights, your wisdoms for sharing your yourself with us and offering your some tools for us to think about. I'll add that, that resource that you mentioned, what was the name again? And I'll put it in the show notes.

It's Oren dobbin.com. It's orindavn.com.

Okay, awesome. We'll put that as a resource in the show notes. And of course, we'll put the links to your various websites. Thank you, do you have any final words that you want to share anything that's popping up that you feel wasn't asked or said that should be set around fear or around energy? Maybe cover

that the one thing that's coming up is just I know, a lot of people are curious about those of us who have made the jump over to Portugal and, you know, or Europe or Asia or anywhere else. And a lot of people are like, Oh, maybe I should do that, too. You know, it's cheaper. Oh, it's this? Oh, it's that. And, you know, as you and I've talked about a little bit, it is not all, you know, unicorns and rainbows, it is not necessarily an easy thing. And it's definitely not for everybody. But if anyone is interested in talking about that, I'm, I am very, very clear on what the challenges were for me and what I've seen other people go through, and I'm happy to, you know, hop on Zoom and have a conversation about it and help help anyone sorted out. Because I do think it's, it's a it's a big jump to take. I did it by myself, because I knew I could. And, you know, it's I just yesterday completed my first year in Portugal. So,

so awesome. And I understand that.

Yeah, congratulations. I understand that it may have been you that shared this with me that there's something like half of the people that move to a foreign country with the intent to make that their life that they turn around within a year and say, That's it I'm heading back was that you that shared that with me,

I know that I have experienced a lot of people leaving after they've been here even a short period of time. I don't know what the number is. So you may have gotten that from someplace else. But I do know that you know, all the magazines and news shows and programs that are pushing, oh, try living someplace else. They don't talk about the downsides of it. They don't talk about the bureaucracy, they don't talk about the difficulty with the language. They don't talk about the fact that you might feel super isolated or that things things are not going to be like they are in the US and I'm okay with that. But a lot of people don't understand what that really means. And they're not okay with it when they actually experience it. So it's, it's not for everybody, and I always highly recommend doing an extended scouting tripped for three, six months if you can, and just try it, you know, dip a toe in before you jump in. I wasn't able to do that I came here for three weeks, just to see if I thought I could do it. And when I was on the plane back home, I was still kind of like, Is this my home? I didn't get that resounding Yes, that I actually really expected to have. And instead I was like, well, it was sort of, yeah, it was more like this, and this and this. And I realized what I was doing was, could I do this for the next 40 years? And that's a whole lot of stress to put on a three week scouting trip. And so I really thought about it and said, Can I do it for five years? And there I got my resounding yes. And now that I've been here a year, I mean, I know I can do this for 40 years. And if for some reason, at some point in time, I don't feel comfortable here, then I probably will move to Italy. And that's okay, because it's easy to do that when you're in the EU. But it's a big 10 times, more like 100 times more expensive than I expected it to be. The hoops you have to jump through are kind of amazing. And I did move all my things because I have unusual things. And I didn't want to have to replace them. And you know, I don't have any people. So having my things makes me feel comfy. And so, you know, cat

and the cat. Jenna, I want to go back actually, to one more thing that you just brought up at that. It's worth talking a little bit more about you said when you're expecting that resounding yes. When you were looking inward for the answer, you didn't get it. And so you change the question. Yes. And I think that that's worth that's worth presencing. Because, you know, sometimes we know it myself, I keep asking the same question. Often. I'm just like, where's the freaking answer? I need an answer. And maybe if I just shift the question a little bit, that will help you find the answers that you're you're looking for. And I just wanted to presence that I thought that was that's a another tool isn't it's another way it is accessing information? And, yeah,

we have a tendency as humans to be all or nothing and our thinking, Yeah, and so it's like, okay, well, I all of a sudden, it's I'm sitting on the flight home. And I think I was just still flying over Lisbon and looking down and going, could this be my home? And I, you know, could I live here for the rest of my life? And you know, at that point, I was 61 I guess, you know, so I have a long life left. I know how long I have. And, and so, you know, looking at that going, Oh, that's a whole lot of pressure, you know, and and so then it's like, well, what if I release the pressure? You know, so it's like, Could I do it for one year? Yes. Could I do it for five years? Yes. Could I do it for 10 years? I think so. You know, I didn't have that much information that I barely touched on a few towns that I thought okay, well, I don't want to live on the beach, because the morning fog was really depressing in the middle of summer. So okay, so then where would I live? And, you know, and I had done a lot of research before I came. And so I stayed in one town and just did scouting day trips from there. And I found the ideal place for me. And I'm totally happy and totally content and, you know, not completely settled into my town yet, because a lot of things happened that I hadn't anticipated and things did not go as smoothly as I had hoped they would, but I survived them. And it was fine. And everything's good now. You know, just wipe my house and it's leaky roof. You know?

There's always something. Yeah, exactly. It's

never gonna be perfect. And if you expect perfect, that's not going to be the thing you're gonna get. And the thing is, my house is perfect for me. So fixing the roof for you right now. Yeah, it's like, okay, I knew I would have to do a few little things. And so that doesn't scare me. So

and then when we we moved here to Portugal. We left a oceanfront property with the forest in my backyard and it was so magical and I loved it. And then we move to the big City, you know, we went from 5000 people to 1.3 million people. And our son came with us, which was after three years of him living on his own, he moved back in with us. But in Porto, Portugal, and this place is so perfect for him. Like, it's just it's so perfect for him, which makes it so perfect for for us and I feel like in many ways, that's, that's the the gift is the space with with him. And I've come to really like we're reliving. But there was a time where I'm like, What have I done, like given up, and, and now I'm like, Yeah, this is perfect. It took a little while a little bit, though, took a little

is what happens, right. And for me, I was getting crowded out of where I was living, because I lived on the forest. And I have raccoons that time to my second story Jack every night and the mamas would bring their babies up so that the coyotes in the area couldn't get them. And, you know, I had made a whole sanctuary for animals out of out of my backyard. And I was devastated at the thought of having to leave that. But then the property on the other side of the creek from me, that was a horse ranch, they sold it, and they were building 80 homes in this property. And I knew that I would not survive that and be happy. And then I was paying a massive mortgage and and, you know, then I found out a property on the other side had sold and they were doing high density housing, and I'm like, I don't want to be here. I don't want to be here anymore. And then there was crime coming into my area. Because I was very close to Portland, Oregon, where a lot of the demonstrations were happening during COVID. And Black Lives Matter. And all these people were getting amped up and deciding that they just, they had the right to take from people who had stuff. And, you know, they they don't know what I've lost to have the stuff that I have. But you know, because my husband passed and so I was dealing with all this stuff on my own. And so, but you know, and I wasn't sleeping, because it was a three story house, I get up and walk the whole house 10 times the night. And you know, so I got crowded out of where I was and I thought I would really miss my wildlife and I do but I don't grieve for them the way that I thought it would.

And I got you found something else too that is feeling that feeling that need for connecting with, with the animals and really beautiful.

Yeah, my house came with cats and sheep. Now the sheep I don't own. But they are in my property every single day like you know, mowing the grass and doing sheepy things and I feed my leftover you know, veggie ends and stuff and they're very bossy, very bossy sheep. So

it sounds perfect Jana and I get the the work that's involved taking the various steps, there's so many different steps that you have to take to create that kind of life. And a big part of it is is moving through the fear which were we talked about a lot thank you so much for your insights there and I imagined it was a lot of different fear that you felt you know, letting go of a lot of stuff back home and the comfort back home and but then recognizing that this is an opportunity to grow and create and and find a space that really feels all those desires. And those the feeling piece of it that you talked about so beautifully. That was really great. So thank you again, really appreciate your insights and joyful journey or thank you for tuning in and listening to our show today. As I've mentioned, I will add all the links and the the resource that Jana has offered for you to look into a little bit more. And with that joyful journey or have an awesome day. And we'll catch you next time. Bye for now.