Episode Intro:
2023 and oh, what a year! Reflections – everything changes but so much stays the same – using excerpts from my book Leadership Inside Out: Effecting Change from Within on improving communication and conflict resolution. And more!
Interested in learning more? Hope you will join me!
About the Host:
Susan has worked with people all her life. As a human resource professional, she has specialized in all aspects of employment, from hiring to retirement. She got her start as a national representative for a large Canadian union. After pursuing an undergrad degree in business administration, Susan transitioned to HR management, where she aspired to bring
both employee and management perspectives to her work. Susan holds a Master of Arts degree in Leadership and Training. She retired from her multi-decade career in HR to pursue writing and consulting, and to be able, in her words, to “colour outside the lines.” She promises some fun and lots of learning through this podcast series.
Susan is also the author of the book Leadership Inside Out: Effecting Change from
Within available on Amazon – click below.
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Hi, welcome to the podcast HR inside out. I'm your
Susan Ney:host Susan day, and I can't believe it. Another year has
Susan Ney:gone by and oh my goodness, what a year it's been. In 2023. We've
Susan Ney:delved in delved into subjects of ageism, psychological safety,
Susan Ney:simplicity, customer service, and we talked what attributes of
Susan Ney:leadership. We enjoyed learning with such phenomenal guests as
Susan Ney:Sharon Summerfield, on nourishing your well being and
Susan Ney:preventing burnout was important. samp, the Aaronic
Susan Ney:knighting the dream Aleister mousse on anger management that
Susan Ney:enhance our creating better relationships at home and at
Susan Ney:work. And Lisa Wilson on leading with ease. As I contemplate
Susan Ney:podcasts for 2024, I'll be touching on things like building
Susan Ney:resiliency, power of the paradox, more on dealing with
Susan Ney:conflict, and interviewing individuals able to share what
Susan Ney:it's like to work in a recruiting firm, a search firm,
Susan Ney:to learn more about AI, and to explore what it's like to work
Susan Ney:in some of those fascinating occupations that are perhaps a
Susan Ney:little bit different. And maybe not maybe some of those ones
Susan Ney:that aren't with specific regard to the organizations that we
Susan Ney:work with them. My goodness, in my consulting work, I continue
Susan Ney:to see the same challenges that have plagued organizations
Susan Ney:throughout my career, desire for more communication, wishing to
Susan Ney:understand the why of decisions, internal conflicts, writing
Susan Ney:challenges between colleagues, and certainly recruitment and
Susan Ney:retention concerns and workloads being described as not laughable
Susan Ney:that they're so unreasonable often because of those
Susan Ney:recruitment challenges and not being able to fill vacancies.
Susan Ney:Lots organizations are continuing to struggle to find
Susan Ney:the balance between working from home and working remotely or
Susan Ney:working at the office. commutes, of course, are getting crazier
Susan Ney:certainly for those of us living in the Lower Mainland of British
Susan Ney:Columbia. Balancing family needs with work life balance, and
Susan Ney:everyone wanting more for last message that's not been heard by
Susan Ney:our grocery stores, that's for sure. But you know all of this
Susan Ney:already. And reflecting over the past year, and what I felt,
Susan Ney:focus this podcast should be I decided to pull my book
Susan Ney:leadership Inside Out effecting change from within off the
Susan Ney:shelf, and share some of my writing and reminders of the
Susan Ney:part that we can each play in helping make our lives better
Susan Ney:and in doing that, often making organizations better as well.
Susan Ney:Now I start with a quote from a town show rare when we realize
Susan Ney:that we are the choosers and that we have the power, we need
Susan Ney:not wait for others make decisions about our life. We
Susan Ney:cannot possibly be a victim. No such that I strongly support
Susan Ney:throughout my book. Now communication is something that
Susan Ney:I'll continue to polish. I'm going to start here and I'm
Susan Ney:going to start with a reflection on a YouTube video. It's one of
Susan Ney:the more powerful ones that I've seen. How goes a blind man who
Susan Ney:was homeless is begging for coins. A woman stops and instead
Susan Ney:of giving money, she takes out a black belt pen and changes the
Susan Ney:message on the mountains cardboard sign. And as a result
Susan Ney:of her action, many more people put coins into this man's cup.
Susan Ney:When the woman walks past man at the end of the day, she stops in
Susan Ney:front of him. Now he recognizes her footstep and asks what she's
Susan Ney:done. She tells them she has done nothing, but use different
Susan Ney:words to communicate this message. Instead of helped me
Susan Ney:I'm blind. The sign now reads it's a beautiful day and I can't
Susan Ney:see it. The video concludes with a powerful message. Change your
Susan Ney:words. Change your world
Susan Ney:Our our day to day perhaps instead of telling someone that
Susan Ney:they look nice now from what it is about how they look, that
Susan Ney:prompted me to say that I was very fortunate to work with
Susan Ney:communication expert, Joe Schaffer. In the course that I
Susan Ney:was involved in, he had, the cohort group formed small
Susan Ney:groups, and we were each given the same number of stones. We
Susan Ney:then took turns placing these as we wished, on a mat in each of
Susan Ney:our small circles. It was an exercise that we did in silence,
Susan Ney:you can only place one stone at a time. And by each person, the
Susan Ney:group having an equal ability to influence the outcome. It was
Susan Ney:fascinating to see whether diverse designs that were
Susan Ney:created by the different small groups. So really powerful way
Susan Ney:of helping us understand that as one testimonial to Joe states,
Susan Ney:creating conversation, and for ending patterns of domination in
Susan Ney:our relationships. If you're interested in learning more, you
Susan Ney:might want to pick up Joe's book, the stone people living
Susan Ney:together in a different world. She talked about throwing stones
Susan Ney:as metaphor for words is akin to yelling. But carefully placing
Susan Ney:those stones creates a very different outcome. through play,
Susan Ney:we were able to see different perspectives, we were able to
Susan Ney:influence outcomes, and we actually were able to create and
Susan Ney:resolve conflict. The experience reminded me of the childhood
Susan Ney:chant sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will
Susan Ney:never hurt me. Now as I grew older, I understood that a
Susan Ney:broken bone with mend words, actually had the power to grow
Susan Ney:exponentially in the damage that I allowed to my psyche. Now I do
Susan Ney:emphasize the loud, although rationally, I realized that I
Susan Ney:chose to accept the comments made by others. Recognizing that
Susan Ney:any content might not be deserved, it's always more
Susan Ney:difficult for me to accept. We often don't pay attention to the
Susan Ney:words that we use and how we communicate with one another. So
Susan Ney:it's really no wonder that there are so many interpersonal
Susan Ney:conflicts, linking our environments, we don't
Susan Ney:communicate well on an individual basis. So when you
Susan Ney:multiply that there are larger and larger numbers of NGOs, NGOs
Susan Ney:working well together or not, we can all suffer the consequences
Susan Ney:of that. The personal experience is that this is an area most
Susan Ney:organizations and we as individuals could improve on.
Susan Ney:Certainly the results from organizational engagement
Susan Ney:surveys confirm that communication is viewed as
Susan Ney:critical and is frequently done poorly. Messages must be sent in
Susan Ney:a multitude of ways through numerous channels, before
Susan Ney:information is actually received. It's also about the
Susan Ney:quality of those conversations, which is skillfully explored by
Susan Ney:Susan Scott and her book fierce conversations, achieving success
Susan Ney:at work, and in life, one conversation at a time. Much of
Susan Ney:communication is actually through your tone of voice and
Susan Ney:facial expressions. We tend to trust what we hear when we can
Susan Ney:receive the full picture of the delivery. And in our very busy
Susan Ney:world. The ability to receive messages this way, is quickly
Susan Ney:becoming less available to us. A video messaging certainly helps.
Susan Ney:But unfortunately, the human touch required is just that
Susan Ney:touch that handshake, a smile of furrowed brow of concern, all
Susan Ney:important and quickly becoming lost arts. So take the time as
Susan Ney:the woman in YouTube, the YouTube video did make a
Susan Ney:positive difference through the use of your words. Change your
Susan Ney:words, change your world. So the conversation that you have had,
Susan Ney:or the oral message and the message being conveyed through
Susan Ney:the person's body language, we're not in sync. How can make
Susan Ney:you feel if you oversee people in any capacity, can you think
Susan Ney:of ways that you might be able to move to big have a better
Susan Ney:communicator and make that difference. In my book, I also
Susan Ney:write about conflict. And they start with a quote by Albert
Susan Ney:Einstein, in the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity.
Susan Ney:Now, I suspect at some point in our careers, we've all offered
Susan Ney:our skills in conflict laden situations. Individuals not
Susan Ney:getting along someone not pulling their weight, dealing
Susan Ney:with tardiness, excessive absenteeism, bad behavior, rules
Susan Ney:not being followed. You know, enough, all the examples. And
Susan Ney:all too often these get tolerated, ignored, excused, and
Susan Ney:basically not dealt with. I've been in situations and allowed
Susan Ney:me to address many of these issues issues, often
Susan Ney:successfully, not always. Are they others where I've been
Susan Ney:stymied in doing so. I've also been the avoider giving far too
Susan Ney:much leeway to individuals who didn't require that yet another
Susan Ney:chance, have been the leader who didn't act in a timer timely
Susan Ney:manner. I've also been the leader who coached another only
Susan Ney:to watch the required action never happened. Why? Well, I can
Susan Ney:speak to my own difficulty when conflict management and where it
Susan Ney:comes from. I grew up in an environment where there was one
Susan Ney:type of punishment and there was no talking involved. As a
Susan Ney:family, it was basically do as you're told, we didn't yell. But
Susan Ney:it was also not taught how to resolve conflict in a healthy
Susan Ney:manner. my Bachelor of Business Admin degree didn't touch the
Susan Ney:subject. So I probably like you learned through experience, that
Susan Ney:a lot of mistakes along the way, and have benefited from
Susan Ney:individuals like conflict specialist Gary Harper, who
Susan Ney:helped me put a different light on the subject of conflict. And
Susan Ney:as I shared in the last podcast, he has an excellent book the joy
Susan Ney:of conflict resolution. And he talks about conflict being a
Susan Ney:signal that something needs attention. He also talked about
Susan Ney:every conflict, always involving a victim, a hero and a villain.
Susan Ney:And we experience all three of these have been different
Susan Ney:points. He had us do a role playing exercise that helped me
Susan Ney:see conflict from the perspective of all three roles.
Susan Ney:And it really helped me understand the part that I was
Susan Ney:playing in conflicts that I was dealing with the time being
Susan Ney:willing to see a situation from the others perspective, is
Susan Ney:really helpful and understanding where they're coming from. And
Susan Ney:it's also super helpful in building empathy and finding
Susan Ney:collaborative resolutions. To read and it wasn't through Gary,
Susan Ney:that many of the things that trigger us are also signs for us
Susan Ney:to heed. There might be something in ourselves, that
Susan Ney:means looking at mirrors to our blind spots, and we all have
Susan Ney:buttons. So building our comfort and capability and dealing
Susan Ney:appropriately with conflict needs constant polishing. I'm
Susan Ney:reminded of a situation where I was working with a union rep
Susan Ney:that I felt quite challenged by I found him rude and
Susan Ney:disrespectful, unwilling to listen and unhelpful in a
Susan Ney:situation that requires both to tackle things together. Yet Prix
Susan Ney:racing, a matter that I've felt has been resolved. It's only
Susan Ney:dawned on me recently, that he probably could have said the
Susan Ney:same things about me. Perhaps if I'd given him the respect to
Susan Ney:hear him out on the matter, that was obviously still a problem
Susan Ney:for him. You might have provided me with the same we were both
Susan Ney:being bullheaded. We're both so intent on being right, that we
Susan Ney:lost the opportunity to find a better way of working together.
Susan Ney:Thomas Crump provides us with wise words, in a conflict, be
Susan Ney:willing to change allows you to move from a point of view to a
Susan Ney:viewing point, a higher marks bounce of place, which we see
Susan Ney:both sides. conflict avoidance happens all the time. We want
Susan Ney:people to like us having to call someone out on their behavior
Susan Ney:leaves many of us anxious. This is where teaching moments are so
Susan Ney:so valuable. So addressing an undesired action when an
Susan Ney:individual is just exhibited that action means the learning
Susan Ney:is timely and the required Word changed behavior, it's so much
Susan Ney:easier to reference.
Susan Ney:There are lots of excellent courses available will help us
Susan Ney:with the right words, process and timing for those required
Susan Ney:conversations, because when we don't have them, the individual
Susan Ney:is sometimes unaware of the need to change. And our inaction
Susan Ney:creates ripples because others are also likely experiencing the
Susan Ney:undesirable situation, and may also be suffering as a result.
Susan Ney:It's important we learn to do this well. So the one our life
Susan Ney:circumstances, necessitate conflict resolution at home, in
Susan Ney:our sports teams, or their families, or their friends, we
Susan Ney:can appropriately step up. When you deal with conflict, are you
Susan Ney:really able to listen to what the person is saying? without
Susan Ney:interrupting? Are they finished? Might complex situations be
Susan Ney:indicators of your own blind spots that get in your way? Have
Susan Ney:you ever considered but they these might be indicators of
Susan Ney:your own unmet needs. So excerpts from the book,
Susan Ney:leadership truly is from the inside out. And we do affect
Susan Ney:change from within us. First within ourselves, and as we
Susan Ney:change that can't help but change our organizations as
Susan Ney:well. You know, if you've listened to the podcast, that I
Susan Ney:encourage you to dare to soar, because I truly believe that you
Susan Ney:can. I conclude the book with the use of acronyms. As we move
Susan Ney:into the next year, you might find these helpful. When you
Susan Ney:wish to soar. Start with s for silence. Take time to be quiet
Susan Ney:and to reflect. Oh are open. Remember to keep yourself open.
Susan Ney:A are aware. Use them using all of your senses, including your
Susan Ney:intuition. Are for reflect might be the ripples. Think about what
Susan Ney:might happen. When you dare to take action, there's a fair
Susan Ney:word. Be for decide, make that decision, a per act. Act on that
Susan Ney:decision are for regard the potential and the actual
Susan Ney:ripples, feedback on awareness that paying attention and E. Re
Susan Ney:engage and expand, encourage and energize and embracing the real
Susan Ney:you. I wish you success. I wish you strength as you choose to
Susan Ney:build your own wings and to find the thermals that will take you
Susan Ney:where you wish to go. Finally as Michael Suor Alex's Tueller
Susan Ney:reminds us the bad news is Time flies. The good news is you're
Susan Ney:the pilot. So just do it. There to soar. Thank you for listening
Susan Ney:and for supporting HR inside out. And if I piqued your
Susan Ney:curiosity, my book leadership Inside Out effecting change from
Susan Ney:within is available on Amazon. It's a fun read. And the link is
Susan Ney:in the show notes to the podcast. wishing you and yours
Susan Ney:the very best of the holiday season. Good health, happiness
Susan Ney:and much success in 2024 to help you learn with you again next
Susan Ney:month, Susan signing out. Bye for now.