Dec. 22, 2022

Mike Martin Shares How Nature Provides Mental And Emotional Healing

Mike Martin Shares How Nature Provides Mental And Emotional Healing
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Season 1

Listen to this episode on how Mike Martin shares how nature and the wildlife can heal you mentally and emotionally.

About the Guest:

Mike Martin is an author and host of the podcast Project Mindfully Outdoors. He is also an avid sportsman. Who finds his soloist within the wilderness. No matter if Mike finds himself in the deer works, or a river bank the connection with Mother Nature is his driving force behind the adventure. In 2020, life handed Mike a bunch of bad medicine. It became clear that he could no longer hide from his mental health struggles. This perfect storm of life-changing events caused him to retreat back into the wilderness. In the wilderness, he could tap into the unique skill set he developed during his life. To begin to work through the depression and anxiety, that had plagued his life. By leaning into the concepts behind the North American Wildlife Conservation Model, he found inspiration to meet his own personal challenges, and rebuild his life. Once Mike learned to combine the two major ideas that make up the model, conservation, and stewardship, with finding a deeper connection with the wilderness. He found an inter power to take control of his life. 

Notable work, Project Mindfully Outdoors- This is the base camp for Mike's work. This project was started back in 2020, early on in his journey. When he began working with Cervid Nation. With the goal of bringing to light a subject that had a need to be approached within the outdoor space. Through his many articles and weekly podcast, Mike has become the voice of support within the outdoor community and beyond.

Letters from camp- This is a collection of guided meditations that are intended to aid in building a personal connection with mother nature. While sharing with the listener the wisdom to unlock the power within to move their life story forward.

Links Project Mindfully Outdoors

www.projectmindfullyoutdoors.com

Project Mindfully Outdoors podcast https://projectmindfullyoutdoors.podbean.com/

Letters from camp

https://www.podbean.com/premium-podcast/lettersfromcamp

The Campfire Circle

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Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/projectmindfullyoutdoorspodcast

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About the Host:

I am Saylor Cooper, Owner of Real Variety Radio and host of the Hope Without Sight Podcast. I am from the Houston, Texas area and am legally blind which is one of the main reasons why I am hosting this show surrounding this topic , to inspire others by letting them know that they can live their best life and reach their highest potential.

 

Website:

https://realvarietyradio.com/

About the Co-host:

My name is Matthew Tyler Evans and I am from the Northeast Texas area. I am blind like Saylor is and we have the same retinal condition. I decided to join Saylor‘s podcast because I have a strong interest in teaming up with him and I think together, we can inspire the world with others with disabilities.

 

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Transcript
Saylor Cooper:

Hello, everybody. Welcome to another episode of

Saylor Cooper:

How without sight with your host Saylor Cooper and

Tyler Evans:

Tyler Evans,

Saylor Cooper:

yeah. this is episode 16! Still recording in

Saylor Cooper:

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. Well, on this episode, I have the

Saylor Cooper:

talented Mike Martin, who has overcome so many challenges and

Saylor Cooper:

adversity himself. And his bio says, specifically says 2020,

Saylor Cooper:

right, our favorite year for obvious reasons, I never want to

Saylor Cooper:

repeat 2020 Again, right? No way. No, but he's overcome. He,

Saylor Cooper:

he was don't move on cards in 2020. And he says, to nature,

Saylor Cooper:

which I believe nature is very powerful. He was able to cope

Saylor Cooper:

with his challenges. That scaling up Mike Martin, Mike,

Saylor Cooper:

how you doing this evening?

Mike Martin:

I'm doing great. I'm really grateful to be here.

Mike Martin:

And I appreciate the opportunity to celebrate my work with you

Mike Martin:

along with the journey.

Saylor Cooper:

Yes, it's right, because we're on a journey

Saylor Cooper:

together, because we have charged challenges ourselves. So

Saylor Cooper:

give us the background, you've had mental health challenges, or

Saylor Cooper:

its contents? Like so yeah,

Mike Martin:

I mean, mental health, it's a scary word. Can

Mike Martin:

it all run away from it, but man, we all face it in one way

Mike Martin:

or another. For me, it was a lifetime of depression, and

Mike Martin:

anxiety. And it's still things that I battle even to this day.

Mike Martin:

But up until 2020, when I got that really horrible taste of

Mike Martin:

bad medicine from nature, I hid under a mask, and was a very

Mike Martin:

different person. And because of that, I was doing whatever it

Mike Martin:

was I could to run away from when wound up homeless and

Mike Martin:

successfully walking away from oblige suicide attempt to second

Mike Martin:

divorce and everything else sitting in my truck, which was

Mike Martin:

my home at the time looking in the rearview mirror, going man,

Mike Martin:

st work, and I'm doing something wrong, I gotta change it. And I

Mike Martin:

just happen to stumble across the podcast where they were

Mike Martin:

talking about stoic philosophy, namely, a lot of the quotes that

Mike Martin:

were thrown out, were left by Marcus Aurelius. And one of the

Mike Martin:

triggers for that suicide venture was the word spoken to

Mike Martin:

me that I had nothing to offer anybody, my wife, my kids, you

Mike Martin:

know, whatever. And when I woke up, the quote that stuck to me

Mike Martin:

and just smacked me in the face was, the adversity of life is

Mike Martin:

nothing more than a show an opportunity to showcase who you

Mike Martin:

truly are. So when I thought about that, and I realized, you

Mike Martin:

know, if life ends right now, for me, that's the definition

Mike Martin:

that I leave is having no worth or no value to anybody. But if I

Mike Martin:

got back on my feet, then I can teach the four people that mean

Mike Martin:

the most to me, my children, that not only was their father,

Mike Martin:

somebody who found the worth and value within himself and the

Mike Martin:

world around him, but also, I can empower them with the

Mike Martin:

opportunity to face their own adversities. Yes, indeed.

Saylor Cooper:

And so I'll go ahead, no, keep going, keep

Saylor Cooper:

going.

Mike Martin:

I was gonna say then, from there, it became this

Mike Martin:

voyage through the school of stoic philosophy and diving into

Mike Martin:

Mother Nature to find a whole different connection in context

Mike Martin:

to how I interact with my time in the wilderness to power so

Mike Martin:

you know, move forward to where I'm at now.

Saylor Cooper:

Yes, nature is very powerful, because God

Saylor Cooper:

that's why God created nature for a reason. Because it has.

Saylor Cooper:

Nature has its agenda, to provide healing just give you

Saylor Cooper:

positive energy, like the I've heard say that ocean teachers

Mike Martin:

watching the show will see money funny, because

Mike Martin:

when I think back to where I was, when I wear all those

Mike Martin:

masks, all the stuff that I've discovered and I put into

Mike Martin:

practice, I would have laughed at you

Saylor Cooper:

So yeah, the I was saying the ocean, like

Saylor Cooper:

teaches us patience, you know? Almost. Yeah, definitely. And

Saylor Cooper:

so, I mean, wow, you're just a hero of a fact, you went through

Saylor Cooper:

this in 2020 is our favorite year because it's no secret

Saylor Cooper:

COVID 19, the pandemic has caused skyrocketing mental

Saylor Cooper:

health problems, right?

Mike Martin:

I think what COVID really managed to do was shed a

Mike Martin:

light on it. Because, you know, through through the day to day,

Mike Martin:

hustle and bustle, it was so easy to ignore how we feel

Mike Martin:

inside and just focus on the results of the work that we're

Mike Martin:

trying to get accomplished. And when we had to shut down, we

Mike Martin:

didn't have that distraction. So we make sense, right? So we had

Mike Martin:

to face that opportunity, head on with, you know, here's your

Mike Martin:

feelings. And we all looked at it like, man, what do we do now?

Mike Martin:

You know, I don't know how to process this. And, you know, to

Mike Martin:

get back to the nature idea, the all these things that we face

Mike Martin:

within the the world of mental health, and all the different

Mike Martin:

anxieties, fears, emotions, they were all things that had they

Mike Martin:

not been put inside of us, we wouldn't be here because they

Mike Martin:

wouldn't have saved our ancestors. You know, for an

Mike Martin:

example, anxiety, you know, the fear concept, it kept them

Mike Martin:

alive, because they were aware of predators that were out

Mike Martin:

there. And now in our world, we obtained Mother Nature. And

Mike Martin:

there's such an imbalance, that we still have the exact same raw

Mike Martin:

anxiety feeling, but it has no context anymore. So when we had

Mike Martin:

to face that downtime through COVID, we didn't know how to

Mike Martin:

process it, or what to do with it, how to release it. So it

Mike Martin:

just bottled up. And it's become something that, you know, as a

Mike Martin:

byproduct we're more aware of, and now we're looking for ways

Mike Martin:

to adapt it into the world.

Saylor Cooper:

Exactly. Yeah. Because we've COVID. I mean, as

Saylor Cooper:

bad as it's been, honestly, I'm, I found that the lock downs were

Saylor Cooper:

unnecessary. I mean, not to get too political here, but your

Saylor Cooper:

governor Gretchen Whitmer, and she's locking you guys down. And

Saylor Cooper:

the lock downs just don't work, you know, and my philosophy

Saylor Cooper:

about COVID, is, we just have to just get out there and say, hey,

Saylor Cooper:

if I get COVID, and die, for me, it was just meant it was meant

Saylor Cooper:

to happen, you know, I just have to live my life, you know?

Mike Martin:

Exactly. And, you know, the other buzzword that

Mike Martin:

was around COVID is the fact that we were living in

Mike Martin:

unprecedented times. Oh, you know, like I mentioned, with how

Mike Martin:

this chapter kicked off with that dive into stoic philosophy.

Mike Martin:

You know, Marcus really is being the most powerful man. You know,

Mike Martin:

in his day, he faced the infinite like, and ultimately,

Mike Martin:

you know, it's not that he's you came to it. But all these

Mike Martin:

different things and all these different plagues that we face.

Mike Martin:

They've all happened before. So we have a reference point to

Mike Martin:

look back at. And, you know, you mentioned the lock downs, and

Mike Martin:

stuff like that, that they did. For me, it was a quite kind of

Mike Martin:

an ironic space, because that was the point when I got that

Mike Martin:

taste of bad medicine. And all of a sudden, my social anxiety

Mike Martin:

really flared up. Which if you've ever experienced social

Mike Martin:

anxiety, you want to stay away from people. Right? So it became

Mike Martin:

the perfect cover for me to not have people interact with me or

Mike Martin:

asked me worse yet, when I'm in that horrible state, how you

Mike Martin:

doing? And I have to come up with a response. It gave me the

Mike Martin:

opportunity to really focus and turn inward, to start to find, I

Mike Martin:

guess, in the connection with not only mother nature, but

Mike Martin:

within myself and be able to heal and go forward. And through

Mike Martin:

that. I built this practice that not only have I tamed the

Mike Martin:

depression and the anxiety, but I've expanded and I've gone

Mike Martin:

through and I become more of this like steward and

Mike Martin:

conservationist of myself. And that's what I like to share with

Mike Martin:

people. Wow,

Saylor Cooper:

how exhilarating and you've had anxiety, I guess

Saylor Cooper:

in depression all your life, right?

Mike Martin:

Oh, yeah, I think that's something that, you know,

Mike Martin:

we're kind of born with it's, yeah, we go through traumatic

Mike Martin:

experiences where maybe the context changes, or all of a

Mike Martin:

sudden we become aware of it. But I think they're there.

Mike Martin:

They're always there. On some level. You know, for me, it was,

Mike Martin:

like I said, I masked everything, man, I will hit it.

Mike Martin:

Yeah, I always hit it, I always had a way to, to ignore it. And

Mike Martin:

then when that moment came up, where there was nothing around

Mike Martin:

that I hid underneath and called comfortable, I had to dive

Mike Martin:

headfirst into it, and actually take it on. And there's a quote,

Mike Martin:

by Marcus, from meditations that I really love, I think is a

Mike Martin:

beautiful exploration of it, is the concept. We're one day he's

Mike Martin:

sitting, talking to himself about, you know, I overcame my

Mike Martin:

anxieties today, because they were within me, and I had the

Mike Martin:

option to do so. And that doesn't set out like this crazy

Mike Martin:

standard, where, you know, you're, the ability is inside of

Mike Martin:

us. So just do it. It's a learning process.

Saylor Cooper:

That sure is, yeah. And so you, you hit it,

Saylor Cooper:

you, you hit it, because of that fear of shame, the stigma,

Saylor Cooper:

because that's often associated with mental illness, just stigma

Saylor Cooper:

out there, you know, people just aren't gonna understand.

Mike Martin:

You're absolutely correct. And that's what got me

Mike Martin:

into this whole project, my we outdoors, thing that I did, was

Mike Martin:

the fact that I'm, you know, through, obviously, through the

Mike Martin:

hunting that I do, I hooked up with a group called the Serbian

Mike Martin:

nation. And part of their part of the requirements was having a

Mike Martin:

social media presence. And I figured, you know, everybody

Mike Martin:

else does the how tos or check out what I'm doing type videos

Mike Martin:

and whatnot, I wanted to get into that stigma. I wanted to

Mike Martin:

make it okay, within the outdoor space, because nobody, nobody

Mike Martin:

really addresses it in a way that makes it safe to say, Hey,

Mike Martin:

I'm having a horrible day, I feel, you know, this low, and

Mike Martin:

I'm ready to walk through that forever door. And they just deal

Mike Martin:

with it on their own silently, whatever the outcome may be.

Mike Martin:

That's where I was at. I wanted to do something about it. And

Mike Martin:

I've done just that, you know, I reached into the community and

Mike Martin:

said, Hey, let me be the support and, and it's mind blowing, the

Mike Martin:

number of people that have actually embraced and reached

Mike Martin:

out that I've had the opportunity to not only

Mike Martin:

celebrate where they're at, in the moment, or where they've

Mike Martin:

gone since then. But I also got to be that acre of support. And

Mike Martin:

I think that that is one of the key examples of what makes a

Mike Martin:

circle, or tribe or community is that free flowing energy. And so

Saylor Cooper:

what you're saying is you're making the

Saylor Cooper:

world a better place by letting people know hey, you're not

Saylor Cooper:

alone, you're supporting and all that and I want to focus more on

Saylor Cooper:

nature. You said nature's mainly helped you heal within yourself

Saylor Cooper:

in what way? So like, what you go to the forest? Would you

Saylor Cooper:

would you just go outside and feel the wind? Like what? How

Saylor Cooper:

did you go

Mike Martin:

about that? I'm an avid sportsman. So any free time

Mike Martin:

that I have, whatever is in season, you'll find me out doing

Mike Martin:

it hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, whatever I can get out

Mike Martin:

and do. So those were the staples. And it kind of takes a

Mike Martin:

little bit of a left turn there because when I committed to

Mike Martin:

actually walking a healing journey, I got into talk there.

Mike Martin:

And one day, in the course of one of the sessions, I was asked

Mike Martin:

how I sleep, which means sleep our friends, it was a horrible

Mike Martin:

experience. You had insomnia. Right? So the therapist

Mike Martin:

suggested meditation And at that point, you know, just as the

Mike Martin:

stereotypical thing, I laughed it off. I was like, yeah,

Mike Martin:

that's, that's dumb. You know, that's not for me. And I got out

Mike Martin:

of that session, I grabbed my crossbow, I went out back, and I

Mike Martin:

started shooting. And something clicked. Because I realized,

Mike Martin:

hey, in order to shoot, I'm focusing on my breathing. I'm

Mike Martin:

also slowing my thoughts. Well guess what the two main aspects

Mike Martin:

of meditation are? Breath, and slow process of thoughts.

Saylor Cooper:

Yeah, that's wherever you go, there you go.

Mike Martin:

And when that happened, when I put two, two

Mike Martin:

together, the next time that I was out, I believe this was

Mike Martin:

summertime. So that's probably how efficient I thought about

Mike Martin:

the skill set that I learned has as an outdoorsman, and realize

Mike Martin:

that man, through those simple skills that you learn out there,

Mike Martin:

you can really unlock so much in life, that helps you to progress

Mike Martin:

along these healing journeys, but also, you know, moving

Mike Martin:

forward toward any goal that you're trying to achieve, be

Mike Martin:

strong, you know, progressing, progressing through, and getting

Mike Martin:

a promotion at work, or, you know, any any aspect of life.

Mike Martin:

Yeah. And from there, it kind of became a, this connection with

Mike Martin:

Mother Nature that grew into this, like spiritual aspect. And

Mike Martin:

I realized that, you know, as much as we use the blanket

Mike Martin:

statement of mental health or mental illness, it becomes more

Mike Martin:

of a internal thing where we get caught in the cycle of self

Mike Martin:

suffering. We like to tell ourselves stories, that hurt.

Mike Martin:

Yeah, like to tell ourselves stories that hold us back, that

Mike Martin:

reinforce the limiting beliefs. But, you know, especially on a

Mike Martin:

hunting trip, you're out there and you're sitting. And you're

Mike Martin:

just, you're watching you're observing. You see nature, and

Mike Martin:

its natural patterns, you see the way the animals engage with

Mike Martin:

their surroundings, the way that the breeze moves through the

Mike Martin:

trees, if it rains, you feel the rain. And all of these things

Mike Martin:

happen without a story attached to them. Right, exactly. And I

Mike Martin:

learned that if you were able to just shift your thought process

Mike Martin:

a little bit, to more of a neutral level, you could do the

Mike Martin:

same exact thing. And in this time of year, you know, it's,

Mike Martin:

it's, it's the deer rut right now. So deer hunting is a big in

Mike Martin:

Michigan, right, that's what I'm actively actually I just tagged

Mike Martin:

out yesterday. So my season's over with, but I think to go

Mike Martin:

even further with it. The deer is a great example of this.

Mike Martin:

Because in the human mind, we tell ourselves the story that we

Mike Martin:

live with inside these limiting beliefs, that we can't do much

Mike Martin:

of anything outside of the box. And a deer, there's their

Mike Martin:

position in the world is one of knack of being an actual prey.

Mike Martin:

So there's predators all around, right. And yet, they move

Mike Martin:

through the day through the world in such a graceful and

Mike Martin:

carefree kind of way. Not because they're naive, and they

Mike Martin:

don't know that they're on the dinner menu. It's because they

Mike Martin:

have confidence within themselves to how they'll react

Mike Martin:

and respond is so cool. And, you know, when he was being a

Mike Martin:

hunter, you're obviously trained to not to scare the deer away.

Mike Martin:

But when they notice you, they smell you or they see your

Mike Martin:

movement. They first they'll stand up and they'll gauge

Mike Martin:

what's going on. And then when they feel threatened, they take

Mike Martin:

off, or they charge head out whatever the case may be. And,

Mike Martin:

you know, when you're going through anxiety, for example, it

Mike Martin:

feels like that life and death decision like what they have to

Mike Martin:

make. But yeah, in our world, it's not, you know, we're not

Mike Martin:

going to die or get injured, usually out of what we're afraid

Mike Martin:

of doing. But it's the fact that we don't trust ourselves. Now,

Mike Martin:

we second guess everything we tie into that negative

Mike Martin:

storyline. And if we could channel our vision to look

Mike Martin:

through the eyes of a deer that is indeed based on life or

Mike Martin:

death, and yet they succeed by running away. Then what to say

Mike Martin:

we can't do.

Saylor Cooper:

Exactly. We should never second guess

Saylor Cooper:

ourselves kind of looking put Do you have to that?

Tyler Evans:

Well, I would say

Mike Martin:

that for me.

Tyler Evans:

My trust is in the Lord Jesus Christ. That's what I

Tyler Evans:

believe. And that ultimately, whether we live or die, we can

Tyler Evans:

live confidently knowing that he has us in His hands. And that

Tyler Evans:

one day is going to call us home to be with Him forever. For

Tyler Evans:

those who believe

Saylor Cooper:

the way you said it was even so gentle there,

Saylor Cooper:

happy Tyler.

Mike Martin:

That see, though, I want to I want to make a point

Mike Martin:

about that, though. Because what you just said, Tyler, is this

Mike Martin:

concept of relinquishing? You know, you've relinquished

Mike Martin:

yourself to that belief, and that's the process of your

Mike Martin:

circle.

Tyler Evans:

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Just like you have a

Tyler Evans:

circle, you have a circle that you have, you have a circle of

Tyler Evans:

guys and gals, like a community of people, everyone has a

Tyler Evans:

community of people somewhere in life, you know, basically, it's,

Tyler Evans:

it's, it's really unique, and that you can have great

Tyler Evans:

relationships with people with even differing beliefs, and you,

Tyler Evans:

and you can still agree to disagree, and that's okay.

Saylor Cooper:

You're correct. Yeah. But then you

Tyler Evans:

can also have a group of people who share your

Tyler Evans:

common belief with you the same belief.

Mike Martin:

You know, what I mean. And that brings to mind a

Mike Martin:

quote from Seneca, about people that surround yourself is, it's

Mike Martin:

your job as people come in and out of your story, to constantly

Mike Martin:

be the judge, the jury, and the executioner. You, you know, you

Mike Martin:

explore that relationship, and see what it is that you're

Mike Martin:

intended to learn and gain on an emotional level from it. And

Mike Martin:

then you assess and become the jury about whether or not it's

Mike Martin:

achieving the bullet points that are hoping to continue your

Mike Martin:

story in a positive, healthy manner. And then, you know, it

Mike Martin:

boils down to being the execution. You right, cut the

Mike Martin:

cord, and I think that's something that is really become

Mike Martin:

a kind of the ending point of COVID is really becoming more

Mike Martin:

aware of that concept.

Saylor Cooper:

Exactly. Yeah.

Tyler Evans:

Well, you know, I truly, you know, I truly believe

Tyler Evans:

that Coronavirus, was not as bad as they said it would be sure it

Tyler Evans:

was bad. Sure it was deadly for some. But it was not nearly as

Tyler Evans:

bad as people said it wasn't the plague. It wasn't like the

Tyler Evans:

Spanish flu, which killed what was it? 500 million people,

Tyler Evans:

something like that. It was a lot of people were dead. It

Tyler Evans:

wasn't the worst of the worst of all diseases. And yet people

Tyler Evans:

wanted us to believe Oh, it's just this horrible disease, you

Tyler Evans:

gotta be locked up. Gotta be this gotta be that. You know

Tyler Evans:

what I mean? And because I feel that because of that the mental

Tyler Evans:

health of this country has declined. Did you know I

Tyler Evans:

actually heard not too long ago, that math scores have decreased

Tyler Evans:

in this country. Math, like, it's math scores, not like

Tyler Evans:

scores. Oh, like scores in math, science, and, you know, other

Tyler Evans:

disciplines have decreased. Why? Because people are being taught

Tyler Evans:

things they shouldn't be taught in school. Even children are

Tyler Evans:

being subjected to certain things that we're not going to

Tyler Evans:

go in here. It's very explicit. Now. We'll just leave it at

Tyler Evans:

that. And they're not being taught education. They're being

Tyler Evans:

taught indoctrination and stuff. Yeah, that's one reason and

Tyler Evans:

another reason is because of the light deaths. But yeah, that's

Tyler Evans:

what I believe.

Saylor Cooper:

And I believe don't work. No, no, they don't

Saylor Cooper:

work. They never have never will know. But we're gonna move on

Saylor Cooper:

from that they have so yeah, nature's really helped you. I

Saylor Cooper:

mean, I you I've heard say, you know, I'm magazine magazine is

Saylor Cooper:

affected to some degree, but you know, some as you know,

Saylor Cooper:

medication can have side effects and a lot of times that natural

Saylor Cooper:

remedies can even be battle, you know?

Mike Martin:

Well, yeah, I've just covered it's definitely

Mike Martin:

that more holistic kind of way. Because I think the the best way

Mike Martin:

to break this down is even with whatever your mental health

Mike Martin:

barriers can be, and that's what they're they're they're

Mike Martin:

obstacles. Along your journey, and exactly one of the most

Mike Martin:

important things to take away is the fact that you don't run from

Mike Martin:

the obstacle. You don't sit and wait for it to go away. You walk

Mike Martin:

head on into it, the obstacle becomes the way. And you know, I

Mike Martin:

think it really boils down to do you remember as kids those,

Mike Martin:

choose your own adventure reading books? Yeah. That is

Mike Martin:

exactly the boots that we're all in is, we're here on this earth,

Mike Martin:

inside of our circle of life. And the journey is ours to

Mike Martin:

create, you know, it's what you do with each moment, into the

Mike Martin:

next and into the next, that ultimately becomes the

Mike Martin:

sentences, the paragraphs, and the pages of the book of your

Mike Martin:

life story. Nobody else. Nobody else. And, you know, the rest of

Mike Martin:

the outside world is there to add to the vocabulary. But it's

Mike Martin:

your job to filter. What words actually go on that page.

Tyler Evans:

Amen. Amen.

Tyler Evans:

You know, you just reminded me of something. Tomorrow is a very

Tyler Evans:

somber day for me, because two years ago, I lost my mom

Tyler Evans:

tomorrow. And here's what's inspiring about her. She,

Tyler Evans:

through her life, literally told me, I can do anything I want. No

Tyler Evans:

matter if I'm blind, no matter what. And same with this

Tyler Evans:

gentleman up here, sailor who his mom told his mom told him,

Tyler Evans:

You can do anything you want through her examples through

Tyler Evans:

what she did for her for him, and fought for him. And the same

Tyler Evans:

way she fought for me. So like, from the time I was born to the

Tyler Evans:

time, I was about, I don't know, eight, give or take and even

Tyler Evans:

beyond, she fought for me to be mainstreamed in education, to

Tyler Evans:

where I can be in normal classes like everyone else. And sometime

Tyler Evans:

after he gets back, he and I are going to do a special show about

Tyler Evans:

her. Because we've we've made a decision that we want to do a

Tyler Evans:

special show about her every single year. Because that's you

Tyler Evans:

know, it's important to just tell the world hey, our story.

Tyler Evans:

Yeah, the world. How even through death. There's still

Tyler Evans:

inspiration, there's still a legacy that's going to be left

Tyler Evans:

behind and mom left a legacy for me. Yeah. And I know, I know for

Tyler Evans:

a fact that his mom, whenever she's gone, it's gonna leave a

Tyler Evans:

legacy for him as well.

Saylor Cooper:

That's right. Yeah, it's your mom's right.

Tyler Evans:

Yeah, absolutely.

Mike Martin:

Yes, definitely.

Tyler Evans:

And you know, another thing she told me, I

Tyler Evans:

don't want y'all to grieve, like are dead. Like, I don't want you

Tyler Evans:

all to be sad and gloomy and just depressed when I'm gone.

Tyler Evans:

And we weren't. We were sad. Sure. That it was for a moment.

Tyler Evans:

And we're going to be a little sad, of course, but she didn't

Tyler Evans:

want us to suffer like she did. She literally got sick whenever

Tyler Evans:

her mom had, like pneumonia sick. It was like, man, and she

Tyler Evans:

was like, I don't want y'all to do that. Yeah. And she wanted to

Tyler Evans:

be cremated. So we fulfilled two parts of her will cremation. And

Tyler Evans:

the fact that we weren't super sad when she was gone. We

Tyler Evans:

weren't grieving. Like it was nothing. But anyway. Yeah.

Saylor Cooper:

Let's go back. So you said you've been divorced

Saylor Cooper:

twice? Right. Absolutely. You know, and that was caused by

Saylor Cooper:

your mental health struggles to, but

Mike Martin:

that was that was a combination of the mental health

Mike Martin:

struggles and just not not knowing myself or finding out

Mike Martin:

realizing, actually that my worth and my value come from

Mike Martin:

within? Yeah. Yeah. No, go ahead.

Saylor Cooper:

Yeah, yeah, cuz I know, some people divorce is not

Saylor Cooper:

good. But at the same time, you should never stay in a marriage

Saylor Cooper:

if it's unhealthy and you're not unhappy. I mean, I mean, not to

Saylor Cooper:

demonstrate that you're weak or anything, but we had another

Saylor Cooper:

guest on the show who had very similar mental health struggles

Saylor Cooper:

and, you know, I mean, know her marriage wasn't blissful that

Saylor Cooper:

you know, she, she survived it. And that So, basically, your

Saylor Cooper:

your horses will cause by not knowing yourself, like you know

Saylor Cooper:

yourself now,

Mike Martin:

you know, I say it that way, because I don't

Mike Martin:

believe that had I known myself then like I do now that I ever

Mike Martin:

would have been in those positions. That's not to say

Mike Martin:

that they were the absolute wrong decisions because they

Mike Martin:

were clearly the ones that nature had laid out for me. And

Mike Martin:

there was a few monumental blessings that came out of them.

Mike Martin:

But then again, the adversities of going through the situations,

Mike Martin:

was also a part of the medicine that I needed in order to get

Mike Martin:

where I am today. So I don't look back, as you know, it was

Mike Martin:

unfortunate that that was that that chapter happened, or the

Mike Martin:

outcome was this, it was actually very fortunate. Because

Mike Martin:

without that, I never would have had to embrace the suck of the

Mike Martin:

situation, and reach down and find the grit in the resolve to

Mike Martin:

grind through the adversity, and discover the steward in the

Mike Martin:

conservation is of myself that is truly there.

Saylor Cooper:

I get yet it taught you lessons that you

Saylor Cooper:

didn't know before. And going forward, would you remain again,

Saylor Cooper:

are you completely contained?

Mike Martin:

You know, it's so funny, the timing of this

Mike Martin:

conversation in that question. Because, like I mentioned, there

Mike Martin:

was some blessings out of that I've got some amazing children,

Mike Martin:

which means I have to deal with, you know, ex wives and mothers.

Mike Martin:

And yesterday, actually just had a conversation with the second

Mike Martin:

one, which was the catalyst for all of this, you know, all of

Mike Martin:

the really dark adversities that I've gone through. And the fact

Mike Martin:

that, you know, kind of got a little bit personal in the

Mike Martin:

conversation, and I admitted based on my face to face, but I

Mike Martin:

admitted, no, in this conversation that I'm happy and

Mike Martin:

content with my simple little way of life in a way that it

Mike Martin:

ain't changing or nothing. So I would say, Absolutely not. And

Mike Martin:

that's not saying that slams door shut. I'm just saying at

Mike Martin:

this point, I don't see that being an opportunity, because

Mike Martin:

I'm so focused on yourself. Not necessarily just on myself, but

Mike Martin:

I'm focused on what's within my vision right now,

Saylor Cooper:

your vision is to stay on the right track. And so

Saylor Cooper:

your second wife, even though you're divorced, she never knew

Saylor Cooper:

your, like your sequence and your dark.

Mike Martin:

Turn all those, though, those were clear. And I

Mike Martin:

say it was the darkest aspects of the adversity, because all of

Mike Martin:

that stuff was used as tools to make the situation worse, it's

Mike Martin:

kind of pushed me deeper in the ground. But I feel like when

Mike Martin:

those things happen, you know, it's kind of I've learned, you

Mike Martin:

still get the choice of how you're going to respond or what

Mike Martin:

you're going to do with it. You know, I'm helping a friend

Mike Martin:

through the same kind of situation now, where they're

Mike Martin:

going through one of those brutal, messy kind of divorces.

Mike Martin:

And they're getting a lot of those, I guess, mind games and

Mike Martin:

stuff. And, you know, I keep reminding this person that it's

Mike Martin:

about what you do, it doesn't matter what the stimuli is. It's

Mike Martin:

about what you think what you see and how you choose to

Mike Martin:

respond. That's all it's within your power. And no matter what

Mike Martin:

the situation is, that's the only part that we have any

Mike Martin:

control over is how we respond to it. Yeah, it can suck and we

Mike Martin:

can admit, hey, that that hurts. It's horrible. But at the same

Mike Martin:

token, you've got to take the opportunity to give yourself the

Mike Martin:

grace, the time and the space to not only feel it, but work

Mike Martin:

through it because you don't want to carry these things.

Saylor Cooper:

No, no, you don't. You don't want you don't

Saylor Cooper:

want to carry that stuff on your shoulders or inside because it

Saylor Cooper:

just feels that fills up and in. It gets worse in the end.

Mike Martin:

Yeah, so make sense. By Yeah,

Saylor Cooper:

yeah, I'm a subject of marriage like,

Saylor Cooper:

knowing Tyler never married we've never had cool before.

Tyler Evans:

Now the closest I've had to a girlfriend is

Tyler Evans:

taking a girl to homecoming when I was a junior.

Saylor Cooper:

And you know that it was nice. Yeah

Tyler Evans:

She was really sweet. Her name was Megan, I had

Tyler Evans:

a crush on

Saylor Cooper:

what did what what advice? Would you give?

Saylor Cooper:

Like? Should we think about marriage or just content where

Saylor Cooper:

we are now?

Mike Martin:

You know, I think that's a very personal kind of

Mike Martin:

kind of answer. Because you know, everybody's situation is

Mike Martin:

different. But I think that the underlining thing to really,

Mike Martin:

truly consider is taking the time to look internally, turn

Mike Martin:

inside and make sure that, you know, you're not finding your

Mike Martin:

value based on the relationship that you're in, make sure that

Mike Martin:

you're projecting that value from within. Because that's

Mike Martin:

ultimately, I think that's one of the biggest things that I've

Mike Martin:

learned through this entire journey is, you know, the value,

Mike Martin:

the worth, that we perceive that we have, has to be internally

Mike Martin:

because it is inside of us. Yes, it is.

Tyler Evans:

Exactly. So you're basically saying here, if you're

Tyler Evans:

not happy, single, you're not going to be happy, you're not

Tyler Evans:

going to be happy married. You're right. Yeah, I mean, it's

Tyler Evans:

true, like you have to be happy single first. And then there are

Tyler Evans:

even some people who aren't meant to be married. And that's

Tyler Evans:

okay.

Saylor Cooper:

Because I'm a happy single I just don't like

Saylor Cooper:

being alone for an excessive amount of time, which is

Saylor Cooper:

understandable, you know,

Tyler Evans:

yeah, I'm kind of the same way I like to be around

Tyler Evans:

people, I like to do stuff, I don't like to just be at home

Tyler Evans:

forever, just do nothing. I'll do I like to be at home

Tyler Evans:

sometimes, and relax. And there are days where I don't want to

Tyler Evans:

go in. But a lot of times, I love to be

Mike Martin:

out, you know, it's funny, because this conversation

Mike Martin:

now brings up like the idea that I struggled with, for a long

Mike Martin:

time about my time in the woods, because when you go out there,

Mike Martin:

you seek isolation. And, you know, years back before this

Mike Martin:

whole chapter started, I can't say that I truly enjoyed that

Mike Martin:

isolation, I won't say that I probably was more distracted and

Mike Martin:

fearful of the idea of similar alone. And over the past few

Mike Martin:

years, and trying to really uncover myself, it's now truly

Mike Martin:

the sanctuary that it should be, that the isolation of sitting in

Mike Martin:

a tree stand by yourself, should get you. And I think that it's a

Mike Martin:

model that, you know, takes time to get there, a lot of us go

Mike Martin:

out, and we do whatever it is that we do alone. But we're not

Mike Martin:

truly fully present. Because we're kind of afraid of

Mike Martin:

ourselves. And if you take time to, you know, ultimately ask

Mike Martin:

yourself hard questions. answer truthfully. And, you know, just

Mike Martin:

explore what's inside, we become more stable, and we become a

Mike Martin:

hole. And that's the point where the idea of a relationship

Mike Martin:

becomes one that you can walk through and really contribute

Mike Martin:

and give something.

Saylor Cooper:

Exactly,

Tyler Evans:

exactly. So basically, you're saying, Be

Tyler Evans:

alone sometimes meditate,

Saylor Cooper:

exactly.

Tyler Evans:

Be be feared. And, you know, I like being alone

Tyler Evans:

sometimes. So sounds Remorse, of course, hey, I want to I want to

Tyler Evans:

be by myself, so I can do whatever I want. You might make

Tyler Evans:

a meal, like in the microwave or whatever,

Saylor Cooper:

in time. And sometimes in a marriage, I guess

Saylor Cooper:

it's okay to, for a spouse to stab a blank every now and then

Saylor Cooper:

like that. Why? Just to girlfriends, you know, and so

Saylor Cooper:

and so

Tyler Evans:

many friends. Yeah.

Mike Martin:

I think the idea of being alone, or even loneliness

Mike Martin:

isn't one that we should be afraid of. No, no, no, I'm

Tyler Evans:

not afraid of being alone. It's just I don't like to

Tyler Evans:

be isolated. If you get my drift. Right, for a long period

Tyler Evans:

of time.

Saylor Cooper:

Me too. Me. Same here. As I said, same here, you

Saylor Cooper:

know, yeah,

Tyler Evans:

I'm not afraid to be alone at all. I mean, I like

Tyler Evans:

being alone sometimes.

Mike Martin:

That yeah, that that little bit of advice comes

Mike Martin:

from someone that went from that way. Life to a life that is got

Mike Martin:

a lot of isolation, self chosen. So, right? Well,

Tyler Evans:

you know, I've actually learned that isolation

Tyler Evans:

is not healthy, long term, not long, it is in moderation to a

Tyler Evans:

point like you'd like, like we've alluded to before, take

Tyler Evans:

some time to be alone, take some time to rest and recoup and get

Tyler Evans:

back on track, that's fine. But making it a habit teuer you're

Tyler Evans:

always isolated, never around people never interact with

Tyler Evans:

people never do nothing. That's not healthy.

Mike Martin:

And that's with my show, that's something that I

Mike Martin:

started, I actually set my feet to the fire with pretty early

Mike Martin:

on. Because I, I was in that extreme isolation thing. Mostly

Mike Martin:

due to that social anxiety we talked about earlier. And

Mike Martin:

started bringing people on to the show and doing interview

Mike Martin:

episodes and, you know, really documenting in making it okay

Mike Martin:

for people to say, hey, step by step, I can work out of this.

Mike Martin:

Exactly.

Saylor Cooper:

It's out. Gonna ask you next, I know you have a

Saylor Cooper:

podcast too. And by the way, one reason will you employ by

Saylor Cooper:

artists. In fact, me and Tyler, we just met with Michelle, we're

Saylor Cooper:

developing a plan on how to do some affiliate marketing and

Saylor Cooper:

monetize a podcast and maybe, Mike, Mike, you want to do that

Saylor Cooper:

as well. That's why you're part of the podcast guests connection

Saylor Cooper:

Facebook group. So about Yeah, what's your podcast about? You

Saylor Cooper:

know, maybe we can figure out how to, like offer some premium

Saylor Cooper:

content for each other. So yeah, go ahead.

Mike Martin:

So my podcast is called Project mindfully

Mike Martin:

outdoors. You can find it anywhere you can get a podcast.

Mike Martin:

And I also call it the camping healing. Because exactly what

Mike Martin:

it's all about going into the outdoors, and finding something

Mike Martin:

to bring back with us. Like I mentioned earlier, the outdoors

Mike Martin:

offers this unique skill set, that when you tap into it, you

Mike Martin:

unlock things within you, abilities that you never would

Mike Martin:

find in the real world. And in the real world that in no

Mike Martin:

context, you'd be afraid to utilize. But this whole backpack

Mike Martin:

of skills that utilize outside in the wilderness, when you

Mike Martin:

bring it back into the real world, it makes a life a little

Mike Martin:

bit easier to navigate.

Saylor Cooper:

That's what it's all about. There you go.

Tyler Evans:

And another thing we were talking to Michelle

Tyler Evans:

about is using Patreon. Now, I wasn't sure if you use it, but

Tyler Evans:

we're thinking about it in the future. For I actually

Mike Martin:

just launched one because about a month ago, I

Mike Martin:

launched my first season of guided meditations, which is

Mike Martin:

called Letters camp. And when I released by Patreon, I not only

Mike Martin:

started uploading all the videos and everything like that. But I

Mike Martin:

included all all of the meditations off the letters from

Mike Martin:

campus a special free gift with it. Yeah.

Tyler Evans:

And you know, it's really, you know, it's really

Tyler Evans:

amazing to me. Like, when you podcasts, when you create

Tyler Evans:

podcasts, try and turn all that you don't even need a former

Tyler Evans:

education or formal education. Oh, you really don't know. And

Tyler Evans:

what's amazing to me is like, people have this idea. You have

Tyler Evans:

to go to college, you have to get more education. To do this.

Tyler Evans:

No, you don't know, is such a lie. That is a myth. And not

Tyler Evans:

only that, not only that, you are a prime example, prime

Tyler Evans:

example, Mike, about how you create content about nature and

Tyler Evans:

how you can, you know, make a living doing stuff like that,

Tyler Evans:

and through affiliate marketing and all that. And Allah and I've

Tyler Evans:

actually heard the expression, it's not who you know, or it's

Tyler Evans:

not what you know, it's who you know,

Saylor Cooper:

right? Exam suck. Yes. It's you Gata, it's who you

Saylor Cooper:

know. Yes,

Mike Martin:

exactly. And, you know, it's funny, because you

Mike Martin:

mentioned about how I'm the prime example of that is,

Mike Martin:

throughout the course of this progression, I've become kind of

Mike Martin:

this healing guide. And along the journey, it wasn't something

Mike Martin:

that I never, like, I never thought that I'd be doing any of

Mike Martin:

this stuff. I never asked for it. And ultimately, the Since

Mike Martin:

we're nature is brought. So we never actually know where we're

Mike Martin:

going to end up, you can go and study something and put all the

Mike Martin:

nuts and bolts for one adventure and hit a rock or a gust of wind

Mike Martin:

and you end up somewhere else. It's just where nature isn't.

Mike Martin:

It's the ability to adapt to it. And

Saylor Cooper:

exactly

Mike Martin:

on what's around you. Right? And then you got to,

Mike Martin:

you got to not be afraid of what you don't know.

Tyler Evans:

In other words, you're basically saying faith,

Tyler Evans:

right? In other words, it's about having faith in yourself,

Tyler Evans:

faith in God, whatever you whatever you believe,

Mike Martin:

is exactly that it's having faith within

Mike Martin:

choosing the adventure. And when you start walking those new

Mike Martin:

blazing those new paths, you embrace it.

Tyler Evans:

In other words, you're basically saying here

Tyler Evans:

Life is an adventure, have faith in it, have faith in yourself

Tyler Evans:

and have

Mike Martin:

faith in life. And, you know, I think something that

Mike Martin:

got overlooked there is not only have faith in it, and the

Mike Martin:

willingness to go through and do it, but celebrate, celebrate,

Mike Martin:

enjoy it. That's right. Enjoy. Whatever it is you're doing,

Mike Martin:

this is what nature prescribed specifically for you. And make

Mike Martin:

it your own. You know, that you love, your passion and your

Mike Martin:

your, your soul into it, and then celebrate. Right, well,

Saylor Cooper:

yeah, you go, there you go. So I do you have

Saylor Cooper:

anything else to show? Should we wrap it up?

Mike Martin:

You know, what, I think we have covered such a

Mike Martin:

wide diverse. Oh, yeah. Yeah, some of this even caught me off

Mike Martin:

guard, which was really fun and really cool. But I this week,

Mike Martin:

one thing that I would like to leave your listeners with, and

Mike Martin:

it's actually something that I put together recently and shared

Mike Martin:

on my website, Project mind via outdoors.com. And it talks about

Mike Martin:

my one of my spirit ends, which is the goose because, you know,

Mike Martin:

when we see a goose, it looks rather on imposing, right. And,

Mike Martin:

you know, we kind of take it for granted, we see a fly over head

Mike Martin:

in the morning, see him down in the parks or along the river.

Mike Martin:

But we never really, truly considered the qualities of the

Mike Martin:

goose. Because they, if we were if we did, there's so much that

Mike Martin:

they can not only show us to help us grow, but also reminders

Mike Martin:

with the of what's inside of us. Right and green and blue, that

Mike Martin:

is their migration pattern. When they migrate south for the

Mike Martin:

winter, think about how hard and long of a journey that is. You

Mike Martin:

know, not only is it stressfully, or physically

Mike Martin:

stressful, but you've got to worry about hunters across the

Mike Martin:

flyway, other creditors and whatnot. And when a goose goes

Mike Martin:

down, and gets hurt, there's many goofs out of the box that

Mike Martin:

will stay with them, they stop right there. And when they when

Mike Martin:

that goose that gets hurt, is tended to and returns to light,

Mike Martin:

that's when they go back to their goal. So they put their

Mike Martin:

goals on hold, because there's a need for someone within their

Mike Martin:

circle as to me and I think that and you know, the need, or the

Mike Martin:

goal is still there. Once that member of the flock is tended to

Mike Martin:

they get right back off and they achieved their goal. And I think

Mike Martin:

humans, all of us as a tribe would do so much better just by

Mike Martin:

bearing that in mind.

Saylor Cooper:

That's why we will all use so much balance for

Saylor Cooper:

sure. Yeah. As our some sellers them do analogies there now. A

Saylor Cooper:

final few questions. I want to ask you, your mental health now

Saylor Cooper:

it's stable. I mean, surely you still have no hard days, but

Saylor Cooper:

it's stable as compared to where it was.

Mike Martin:

Battle. There's definitely like, Yeah, there's

Mike Martin:

definitely ups and downs, but it's definitely you know, I've

Mike Martin:

learned to discard a lot of it and be able to control it

Mike Martin:

because it's within me inspired exactly

Saylor Cooper:

what have

Mike Martin:

accepted it. Wow. Well,

Saylor Cooper:

if you have nothing else to cover,

Unknown:

please.

Saylor Cooper:

The question I asked all the guests to close

Saylor Cooper:

out. What advice do you give would total? I've said it enough

Saylor Cooper:

you asking take away.

Tyler Evans:

Okay. What advice would you give our listeners who

Tyler Evans:

are struggling in life who don't know where to go? discouraged?

Tyler Evans:

Thank you. Thank you, Phil, just who basically feel discouraged?

Tyler Evans:

Yeah, who

Mike Martin:

feel discouraged? First of all, slow down, because

Mike Martin:

you're probably running too hard down. Yeah, exactly. And,

Mike Martin:

secondly, allow yourself the grace to understand that,

Mike Martin:

whatever it is, it's discouraging you right now is

Mike Martin:

only here in this moment. When you exam, you stand back up, and

Mike Martin:

you take the next couple of steps along your path. You're

Mike Martin:

handing that discouragement over to death. It's no longer with

Mike Martin:

you. Right? Right. Once a moment is lived, it's gone. It's not

Mike Martin:

coming back. So therefore, those next steps forward, give you an

Mike Martin:

opportunity to start a new and to define what they're going to

Mike Martin:

look like for you.

Saylor Cooper:

And you go, a guy that passes the pass to focus

Saylor Cooper:

focused on the now it's correct.

Tyler Evans:

Now we can learn we can learn from the past. Sure.

Tyler Evans:

Yes, I can learn valuable lessons from but we don't do all

Tyler Evans:

that. Exactly. So there you go. Oh, thank you. Thank you so much

Tyler Evans:

for allowing us to interview tonight.

Saylor Cooper:

Thank you so much for being on the show. And also

Saylor Cooper:

I want to advertise part of affiliate marketing, right? Yes.

Saylor Cooper:

I want you to attend haga palooza. I don't know if you've

Saylor Cooper:

heard of it. It's an amazing, incredible event. And the next

Saylor Cooper:

one is in January, we're 100 podcasters. Get together and

Saylor Cooper:

have an you can if you can be a general attendee, or you can

Saylor Cooper:

attend the mainstage speakers. Or you can be a featured

Saylor Cooper:

podcaster. Where you're going to be a VIP and even a featured

Saylor Cooper:

podcaster. Will you can interview people or be on the

Saylor Cooper:

interview on up to five different podcasts like this

Saylor Cooper:

one. You don't want to miss it, right? Tyler's January 17. And

Saylor Cooper:

next one, right?

Tyler Evans:

That's right. It happens to be the day after MLK

Tyler Evans:

Day. Martin Luther King Day.

Saylor Cooper:

Yeah, yes. The day after MLK Day. And if you

Saylor Cooper:

want I can put the link in the chat now. Or I can even send it

Saylor Cooper:

to you in an email. Yeah, just

Mike Martin:

shoot everything to me in the email, and I'll get

Mike Martin:

back with you on every bit of it.

Saylor Cooper:

All right. So yeah, yeah. Awesome. So yes,

Saylor Cooper:

I've I've enjoyed having you

Mike Martin:

on. Help without sight. All brothers, this has

Mike Martin:

been a amazing conversation. I've loved it. It's been. It's

Mike Martin:

been a pleasure to be able to celebrate our work together.

Mike Martin:

Absolutely. And

Tyler Evans:

once we sign up with Patreon, you'd be able to

Tyler Evans:

possibly, if you want it, you can probably be an affiliate

Tyler Evans:

potentially. Who knows?

Saylor Cooper:

Yeah, she sure can. Yeah, yeah.

Tyler Evans:

We would love to have you as an affiliate.

Saylor Cooper:

Yeah, it

Mike Martin:

would be great. I would definitely love to do more

Mike Martin:

work with you.

Tyler Evans:

All right. Sounds good. Yeah. Well, well, for

Tyler Evans:

Thanksgiving. You too.

Saylor Cooper:

Exactly. You have a wonderful Thanksgiving to

Saylor Cooper:

everybody. Give it up for Mike Martin on Hope Without Sight

Saylor Cooper:

Episode 16. Peace out everybody. Bye bye. All right.