Your Voice is Your Power—Here’s How to Use It

You never need to be ready, but you do need to be resolved. And resolved is an energy of I appoint myself. I go first. I don't wait for the invitation. I am the invitation. I don't wait for someone to tell me on the prize, I am the prize.

This is the entrepreneur school podcast where we believe you can run a thriving business and still make your family a priority. This show is all about supporting you, the emerging or early stage Entrepreneur on your journey from solopreneur to CEO while wearing all of the other hats in your life. My name is Kelly Sinclair, and I'm a brand and marketing strategist who started a business with two kids under three. I'm a corporate PR girl turned entrepreneur after I learned the hard way that life is too short to waste doing things that burn you out on this show, you'll hear inspiring stories from other business owners on their journey and learn strategies to help you grow a profitable business while making it all fit into the life that you want. Welcome to entrepreneur school.

I am so excited to bring you today's guest, Kimberly la fort, who is a wonderful gem of a human who I actually got to meet live and in person in Dallas a few months ago. And Kim is a vocal coach, a speaking coach, and so much more than that, truly, we were just chatting a little bit about how to really embody the power of your voice and how to bring that into your everyday and particularly for entrepreneurs who are looking at getting on stages as part of their growth and visibility strategy, as well as just in general, the amount of content that we seem to need to create these days. How do we get, you know, really centered and confident and allow ourselves to tap into that and bring that forward. Thank you so much for being here, Kim. I can't wait to dive into this with you.

Thank you for having me as a guest. I can't wait to dive into It's so wonderful to see you again and talk.

Yay. Oh. Side note, immediately, this is very important to the conversation. Kim was one of the 25 strangers who came out and celebrated my birthday with me in Dallas, because I just so happened to decide to go on a business trip over my birthday. And then I was like, who wants to come have a drink? And so I did.

That was so much fun. I love that moment and just seeing you glowing. And I really was like, yep, we are gonna stay connected. I love this girl, right?

Yes, it's so important to find those people who you can really just feel like that, that deeper level vibe with and like, let's get into that. Let's get into what that means in terms of speaking. And just share your story with us.

My story of becoming a voice guide, as I refer to myself, actually starts very ironically, as someone who was terrified of public speaking. In fact, I have my bottle of medication that I carry around me, just to show that I was once medicated on beta blockers for fear of speaking, fear of anxiety, and now I'm off those pills. And so how did I do that? It started though, back when I was younger, I used to get bullied a lot in middle school, shamed a lot in high school, and that led me to feeling like my worth was non existent. And then I stumbled into a marriage really young, and I was married for nine years with a partner that I learned a lot from. And shouldn't I have been with? As if you're ever married the first time, you kind of figure that out. And what happened was I was split. I was split in my energy because during the day Kelly, I would go and run an award winning yoga studio, and I was living my purpose and using my voice and impacting change in the world. But then I'd go home to a partner that was like, when are you gonna kind of get a real job, kind of vibe? And so if you've ever had to split your energy like that, you know that at some point you got to bury who you really are, and that left quite an impression on my mind and my confidence. And it ended up being that, not just in high stakes situations like pitching at work or big public speaking events that I'd be nervous and need my medication, but it became such a part of my identity that I wasn't someone who should be speaking or could be heard, or someone that even people wanted to hear, that I started to medicate even while before going out to lunch with my friends. And so that's when I realized I had a problem like this was becoming a phobia. Yeah, this was becoming bigger than me, and it wasn't until after the divorce, alone in my apartment, finishing up my graduate degree, that I was like, wait a minute, what am I doing? I have all these tools. I have my psychology degree. I have awareness of fitness. I used to be a fitness instructor. I have my yoga, my meditation. Can't I just pull on all of these tools and find me again? And so I did. I started every day challenging myself to while I was going through the darkness of that divorce, to rediscover step by step, breath by breath, workout by workout, that I was someone who could contribute that I was someone who people did want to listen to. I was able to get off the pills, and now I'm in a place where I teach other leaders and entrepreneurs how to use their voice, even while they're struggling with feeling like they don't matter or don't have a voice.

Oh, wow. And I'm sure that that reflection is definitely a result of a lot of work that you've done on yourself. We don't, we don't tend to have that insight as we're going through the challenging times, right? But this is so empowering of you to share that story and to talk about the the transition that you have about finding yourself again and and I hear a lot, one of the biggest challenges with visibility, which we know as a requirement in growing a business, is confidence. And so can you speak to that a little bit too about, like, what some of those moments were for you and maybe how you work with your clients to help them feel really empowered and confident in getting themselves out there as well.

One of the fallacies I think, that we have about confidence is that we need to be ready for these big moments that will take our career into the next direction or explode our visibility. And although that sounds really good, readiness is not the prerequisite of confidence. And I think readiness is holds us in a holding pattern, almost a paralysis, while we're waiting for someone to come and invite us to the next chapter of us, or someone to come in tell us you're so polished and perfect now you finally got the right number of followers. You finally are doing it. Come along over here and be a guest on my podcast, or be on this stage. And when we're waiting for that external validation, we are doing nothing to feel our self worth and to actually fill ourselves up with what we really need to be confident. So I always tell people, you never need to be ready, but you do need to be resolved. And resolved is an energy of I appoint myself. I go first. I don't wait for the invitation. I am the invitation. I don't wait for someone to tell me on the prize. I am the prize. And so how do we get there, though? Kelly, what I found is when you decide that you are that future woman of your dreams and you are that entrepreneur of your dreams, now that's that resolved energy, and it's like a switch gets flipped, and all of a sudden you start doing now ahead of the experience. So let's say, for example, you want to start a podcast that would be like the next cherry on top. I've made it. This is the coolest thing in entrepreneurship. Well, instead of getting ready and thinking of all the things you got to do, you start to go now, which means you maybe start going live on Instagram more, right? We start to actually practice the skill which prepares us. And then what happens is you're prepared, and your competency grows up, and then so does your confidence. So if you think about the letter C rising right along right, your confidence grows because your competency grew, and your competencies because you've been doing the thing messy, while you shake, while you turn red, while you're feeling nervous, while you're feeling unprepared. That's the prerequisite for confidence. Oh,

I align with this so much. I feel like I've said those exact words in so many ways too, because it's so true, like and I love that you just said readiness is not a prerequisite of confidence, and it's really all about giving yourself permission to take action and go ahead, like just do it right and because, and that's where momentum comes from, and I truly believe that that is that is more impactful and more powerful than whatever, like fake checklist is going on in your mind that you think. You need to have ready in order to get to the place that you're trying to go. So much of this. And we're going to break this down in a minute to the in your head versus in your body, because I know that's part of your methodology that you help people with. But I just want to share it quickly, because, as you were saying that and like this podcast is literally the result of me doing 100 Facebook Live videos over the course of two years, and then into doing some events, and then it was like, Well, no, it's a podcast. And it's only because I practiced and I grew my competency in extemporaneous speaking and, you know, interviewing. Now at this point, the preparation doesn't feel as intimidating as it maybe once did, because I started doing it, and I know that it's not about that I got all these viral followers on from videos that I was doing because that didn't happen. It was about me stepping into this role and doing what I wanted to do and how it fits into for me, I love speaking. I love having this show. I love, you know, if you ask me, What do I want to do when I if I could just do anything, I would be pay me to get on stage and travel around the world that that's all,

oh yes, I'm right there with you. Oh, my god, yeah.

So that was a sidetrack, but the whole head, the mind in the body thing.

Oh, it was great. Yeah, no, that. That just brings the point home even more. Of I love how you said the you mentioned intimidation and, like, that's a huge part of it. I didn't even think of right. Like, you almost are removing your future because, like, at some point, guys, there's gonna be a bigger moment than you've experienced yet, and that moment is high stakes. Let's face it, you might be speaking. I'm this Friday. I'm speaking on a stage in front of 500 women. That's pretty high stakes. And I really want to connect so that people will book me on one on ones or whatever happens so but now I'm walking on the stage prepared, and now it's less intimidating. So thank you for sharing that. I totally resonate.

Yeah, and like you said, it's not about somebody else telling you that you're ready, right? Because, like, Who is that? Who could even say that? Why don't we hand our power over to this? Who? Okay, right. Don't even and identify that this, there is nobody, especially when you're when you're your own business owner. Like, I think it's maybe partly to do with that we're used to maybe being in the corporate world and like, somebody gives us a promotion, or somebody says, Yes, good job. You can do the next thing now, and now we are responsible for promoting ourselves through this whole process and taking bigger risks and going and pushing harder. Oh, you don't even know how I need this conversation right now. So

I'm like, keep going. I'm here for what you got. Like, I didn't even make that connection, yeah, and I was in the corporate world for a while. You're right, okay, yeah, maybe it's, it's breaking away from that I need, I have a boss mentality to truly embracing that inner power, which comes from the body as well.

Yes, so let's talk about that application of that in particular to speaking them, because this is your zone of genius, and because you have, you know, neuroscience and psychology and yoga and all of these tools that you were mentioning as you're going through your struggle to find your own voice. How do we apply that in this context?

It's really important to understand the difference between head or cerebral based speaking and communicating versus embodied communication. And when I say embodied speaking, I literally mean, where's your point of reference. So we've been trained. We don't know any better. We've been trained since young kids in elementary school and higher education, that when you're about to explain yourself, you better go to the head for your memory, for grammar, to recall information, even down to a very competitive sense of, are you going to let that person interrupt you again, right? Or wait till they take a breath in and now you can get your word in, like when we go to the head to communicate, it is a battleground up there, we have good stuff like logic and executive function that comes from the prefrontal cortex, sure, but that's only one piece of the puzzle. What I've discovered from my own experience with communication and what really got me off of those beta blockers and overcoming fear of being seen and heard, which that's really what it is, and a fear of my greatness, a fear that I actually might hit that home run and might actually be good at what I'm talking about, getting over that was taking myself out of my head and anchoring down into the heart, into my body. Body so that I could be someone who was in the Now moment. And that's essentially what speaking with your body does. An embodied speaker, an embodied communicator, is someone who is using your mind but is also referencing your passion and letting your body be a body. So Kelly, when I say that so many women and men that I coach, they think that when they shake or they turn red or they feel nauseous or they sweat, that those are all signs that they're failing in the moment and they shouldn't be speaking, and it's almost like our body isn't allowed to be a body suddenly, because what we decided we're gonna be an entrepreneur. And I am, like, totally here to like, say no, no, like, the future of communication, the future of leadership. It lies in understanding and recognizing that the way we've been taught to speak is outdated, and when you can learn how to descend from our busy mind, through breath work, through somatic practices, through practicing in the moment, even there's a way that I teach where you can actually feel ahead of the ahead of your words, where you're supposed to be speaking. So sometimes it's in your heart, sometimes it's in your solar plexus, where your fire is in your gut. Sometimes people feel it in their back, because carrying the weight of something that they're finally done with. Right? So our body can actually show us where the energy and feeling of something is, and then we can meet in the middle, right at the throat. And isn't that kind of beautiful? We've got all this logic and intellect melting and merging with the heart as it rises with passion right at the throat. And now that when the words come out, they're this beautiful, like conglomerate marble looking, feeling of passion mixed with intellect, and that becomes a speaker who's unforgettable. Now you're someone who's not just heard but listened to

absolutely, yeah, I can feel how the connection, because that is truly what, if you think about it as somebody who's been to events, been in an audience, listened to speakers before, the ones you remember are the ones that make a true connection, right? And if that's what's what we're going for, then we really need to lean into the authenticity of the whole experience. And like you say, finding, finding where the emotions are coming from and where that connection is located in your own individual body, as well as I think what I was sort of hearing as you were saying that, you know, if you're shaking or you're red or whatever like, let's just normalize that it's okay to have those kind of experiences. I used to have this card that sat beside my desk that said, my fear and excitement are the same. Oh, I love that. Like your nervous system is literally reading it the exact same way. Like, if you're afraid or you're excited, your nervous system responds in the same way. What exactly people this is just normal?

Yeah, it's just normal. It's just how you're What is your relationship to that? And can we change that relationship so that no matter what the moment is that you are, you're understanding, okay, yep, it's safe to have some shaking. It's safe to feel nervousness. And this is, this is what I call the vocal honey effect. And this is what my signature ecosystem, my coaching is all about vocal honey. Because think about honey. It's where the sweetness is. It's where this irresistibility about you is, and not only for your listener, but for you. And now, communicating doesn't have to be so hard. It's not painful, it's not scary as much. It's actually a delicious experience. And you said it, when we think about events where we remember people, it's because the audience, you as a listener, were moved by the intention and the emotion of the words. But here's what people like. Let's take it further, because this is where I think most people don't go far enough with public speaking and just communication is, yeah, we all know it's in order to be someone who is remembered, you need to be someone who can help the audience feel something, not just hear something, but feel but that means that the speaker needs to be someone who can feel something first ahead of the audience and hold it steady. And what that really means, if you think about it, Kelly, is that's kind of scary, because you're all eyes are on you. The spotlight's on you right. The moment is about you, yet you're. Job is to communicate in a way that makes it about the listener, and so to normalize that moment, to actually get out of the scary fear of it, we have no choice but to drop into our heart where it's about our mission and our passion, and it becomes about other people in that moment. And that's what allows speaking to become something that's really beautiful. Like, I know I'm talking to you right now, but I'm talking to your audience, and I know there's going to be one or two people that are just like, I needed to hear that. So I'm not focused on me right now. I'm focused on imagining those people and kind of transmitting energy right now from my heart out my voice to the listener. But that takes some practice, but it is doable. It is a skill that can be learned.

Yeah, and I'm thinking about how you know, when you become a speaker, and it's something you do regularly, you often end up sharing and repeating the same stories, the same message, and how do you maintain the level of connection and emotion to that. Because I know, you know, I've shared a story about losing my mom to breast cancer, and that being the, really the the start of my journey into entrepreneurship, because I now have this very raw experience of how short life is, and how I want to spend my time, and how I want to really feel like I'm committed, connected to a purpose, and what I'm doing. But then I share that story. And there's days where I can just say my mom passed away from breast cancer, like I just did, or other days where I can barely get those words out, and then I'm crying,

yes, well, and I remember, I think I learned that about you and your mom at in Dallas, and I remember you said it differently then, because I remember there was some emotion. So case in point, it depends on the room. It depends on the day. First thing is, it doesn't really matter, honestly, if you tell your story and it makes you tear up some days, good. If you tell your story and it feels kind of like you're ordering spaghetti and meatballs off a menu, no big deal. Good. The point is we have to be okay with whatever our body gives us, and I think that's what's beautiful, because there might be someone in the room that needs to see your emotion as you tell that story, and now something deeper is happening where you're intuitively reading the room on a human level and now responding. And it might even take you by surprise. One of my recent coaching clients actually, she was in Mickey was in the room in Dallas too. She says the same thing. She very sadly, also lost her mom. And she goes, Kim. Sometimes, if I've been traveling a lot and I gotta get on a stage and I'm exhausted, I will cry. But if I'm then sleeping well, and you know, I'm not jet lagged, I can get on stage, tell the same story, and I feel absolutely fine. And so we went from this place of trying to figure that out and trying to tinker with that to just it is how it needs to be. And I think that's where the level of self acceptance, of truly letting the body and emotion be front and center and never making it wrong can make you trust yourself even more to tell that story and let it be however it needs to be when it comes out.

Hmm, this is all so beautiful. I feel like the theme that I'm hearing from everything that you're saying is very much about self acceptance, authenticity and just allowing, like, permission for yourself and allowing for yourself to be, to show up, to use your voice, to know that it's going to connect, right? Instead of maybe what we are thinking we need to do, which is like, try and convert the room, or get as many people, like on board as possible, instead of just it could be one person today, and it'll be so happy if one person hears this podcast. I look at my podcast stats from time to time. I don't like get obsessed about them, but I'm looking at the number and going, if 100 people listen to my show every single week, that's amazing. Yeah, if I was in a room with 100 people, I would feel so proud of that.

Yes, absolutely. And also, if you most people in a room with 100 people would want to be like, puking the cookies, right? Like they'd spill their cookies. They want to like, Crap their pants, because they'd be like, hey, 100 people. Yet, when we're in the digital land, 100 people does not seem like a lot, and I love that move, that cognitive move you just did, of reminding all of us that every single number is a person. Now imagine if you were in front of 100 people. How would you control or not control? To diminish, but modulate your energy. Because if you can hold steady your big, powerful, passionate message and let it sort of trickle out of you, and then you can control the tone in the pitch and the quietness and the loudness, and you can be present as you communicate. Now you can do two things. You can see the number in the room and let it be like, Oh my god, moment. I don't know if I can do this. I'm scared to death. And you now have a mechanism and application that you've been practicing behind the scenes, because you're not worried about getting ready, you're resolved. And now, when you get on that stage, you can feel both. You can allow your humanness to be there and be scared shitless, and you could also know that you're going to crush it on stage, because this is your destiny, and you've got the skills to be someone who can stand close to their own fire and not let it scare them.

I love this. And you know, the other thing I really love about, well, why I got into business, in supporting entrepreneurs, and one of the great things about having a podcast is that I get to have these deep conversations with people like you and showcase your passion. So I want to give you the stage to talk about that for a minute, just like, why this matters to you, why it matters to you to do this work, why this is meaningful, why it feels like I can feel so connected to you talking about like the result that you can help create. I'm sure that you just sit in the audience sometimes, when you're watching one of your clients, and just feel like such a proud like mama bear, yes, watching this all happen, I feel that, and I want to give you some space to speak to that, because I feel like that is another it's a really important factor when people make decisions about who they choose to work with is pulling out what your passion behind it is.

Yeah, and I've definitely won't, will say that, and I want to say that I am. I'm a Cheer Mom, I'm a dance mom. I'm a proud mama bear. When my clients on stage, I am running up there, like, with a 1990 camcorder on me, just like, gotta get zooming in. And I'm the one with like tears and oh my god, I um, and that was surprising to me. I think when I see someone on stage who came to me and first said, I don't and this is a quote the other day when I did an in person workshop, she said, I feel like I don't even know who my voice belongs to and also I feel detached from my voice. And to me, the voice is a representation of who you believe you are. And so if we don't know our voice, like our real voice, a lot of us are up in the head, and we have a really high voice, and we we don't even know why we're up here when we date. And really our voice is something kind of down here. So like when we find and reclaim who we are, we ultimately just Bloo there. Here's the voice. It's like the voice just changes. And that work that we do to reclaim our power and our authenticity that ultimately lends itself to our perfect, beautiful vocal honey that work shows up in all areas of the life. So what the reason I love this work and my why is because it spreads everywhere. Your empowerment to speak on a stage, your voice that comes across in a podcast. It's the same voice you're going to use to ask your kids at the dining room table, how was your day today? And it's the same voice you're going to use to ask your partner, are you okay? I'm here. And that's the other crazy thing, too, Kelly, that I've witnessed in my life, my ability to now speak and hold the energy of my big mission and not get so overwhelmed by it has allowed me to to hear and listen to my loved ones more, because it's the same capacity. I have more space for me, and so now I have more space for other people. And so this work helps to deepen the love we have for each other on such a real, everyday stage moment, and then, yeah, sure, for the 1% of moments, you're on a stage literally, or you're pitching at work, you're like, Oh, I've done this before. I've been real, and I've shown myself, and it's beautiful, and now it's just, it's spread like a drop of ink and water. It's just your whole life becomes saturated with who you really are. You're no longer hiding, and no matter what room you go into, you can now have this confidence and this anchored feeling of I know who I am, and that's something that you'll carry with you to your very last breath.

It's. So important, and it's so powerful, and I'm it's, I'm so honored to be in your space right now, to thank you for saying that, and to help to share that, because I think you know what we really uncovered on this conversation. And circling back even to your your personal story of having that feeling of being divided in your energy, in a space where you felt confident and like yourself, and then having a different feeling when you got home in your personal life, right? And that pull and how that that truly can tear a person apart, yes, and we're what you're helping create as wholesomeness, like, like, that's not, maybe the right word, but I'm doing this, like, circle with my hand, like, where I love it, like, connected in all of the places. And the application of, you know, this is you get into that, like personal development has positive impacts for you on your business life and your career life and your family life and your friendships, all of it. It's not just like, I'm gonna go learn this one thing and it's only gonna help me with like, speaking. So I think I wanted to really underscore the benefits of doing this kind of work. It's Yes, the reason why people might want to work with you is so that they feel more confident public, speaking on stage. But I'm sure that your clients would also say that they were amazingly surprised at the other positive, like the ripple effect of this work,

100% and one of my clients comes to my mind, Steph, she's from Canada, and she goes, I knew on day one, when we started to talk about energy work and our what I have people create, what's called a vocal tree. And so it's like looking at your family tree, but actually thinking about who was the loudest, who was the quietest, who said the most, who didn't speak? What did they say and how did that make you feel? Was it safe for that? She goes on day one, I knew I was going to get more than I bargained for this. This is about uncovering what I believe about my voice. Is it even safe to speak? And if not, okay, we can love that part of our past, but let's at least unpack and build the news story. And now it's about possibility. And as you know, what you speak, what you repeatedly say to yourself, internally or outside of the world, becomes your reality. And so it's another important facet too, is just to understand Kelly like we are so powerful, and it's okay some days not to feel it. It's really natural, but there's a way to be with yourself that has very little to no shame, has very little to know. I need to fix myself and can truly accept who you're meant to be. And it's a brilliant star. It really is. When I work with people and I see them, I have no idea sometimes what's going to happen in these containers, these coaching containers, because all of a sudden people are just breaking through ancestral vocal wounds. They're uncovering who they're meant to be. And one of my clients too, Chrissy, she says, Kim, I was talking to a friend the other day I haven't spoken to in five years. First thing out of the friend's mouth was, what's wrong with your voice? Do you have a cold? And she said, No, I'm fine. But what she realized is that she was used to talking way up here, and now she's like, Kim, she's like, my voice is so much deeper now because of this vocal work. So it's even about the journey of how do we present ourselves, and how do we feel about who we are, and that instantly is echoed in your voice, so much so where people of your past, I want to even recognize you. It's amazing.

I love this conversation, and it makes sense that, of course, you can't just logic yourself into being more confident. Yes, right? What's the strategy

we want that we do want that? Yeah.

probably have to sell that no in some way, shape or form, but it's truly like, I'm relating this a lot to work that I do in branding. Right? Branding isn't just about like, what is the thing I need to say so that I can get clients? It's about really unpacking who you are. And when I realized that the first question I would ask my clients is, well, who are you? And they were like, I don't know. I'm like, Oh, we're we're here for a deeper conversation. We're here for a more immersive experience,

exactly, and that's, uh, they don't expect that, right? But that's such a such the joy of doing this work and that deeper level. And at the same time, you know, and I'm sure you do this with your branding, I'm going to be teaching you those. Those very tactical things, like storytelling, it's important body language, how to explicitly use your body with certain words to do certain things, and when you're on stage or in zoom, is it important to lean in and lean back like I cover all of those things, because it's fun, and it becomes like this cool tool belt you wear to have different skills to use during different moments and when to get loud and when to get quiet. But at the base of it all, you've got to know who you are, and you got to know why you're speaking, and you got to know how you want people to feel again. Did you even know you get to, like, ask that question? Most people have no clue that. They even get to pick how I want Kelly to feel today and how I want her listeners to feel, but I did before this call, and that helps you to stay in the driver's seat, which is really a beautiful feeling.

Hmm. I mean, I feel like I could continue to have this conversation with you for several more hours, but we like to keep it bite sized a little bit.

I would love that. But yes, I understand.

I just want to give you the floor to wrap it up in whatever way feels right for you and whatever you'd like to leave the listeners with today,

Above all your body is safe, whatever you're experiencing in regards to speaking up and using your voice, if it's shakiness, if it's a shake in the voice, if you freeze, whatever you feel like you need to fix you don't love yourself, embrace what feels like imperfections, because the more you can embrace only who you are and stand on that, the clearer your message is actually going to be, and the faster you will attract your soul aligned clients and in opportunities and resources like everything becomes possible the moment you start to put into practice deep self love and acceptance and your voice will echo that it becomes that vocal honey that People will remember and will be buzzing around in their ears and mind and their heart long after the Zoom call, long after the podcast. So if you're truly looking to make that impact and wealth in your business and in your leadership, it's going to come down to putting those practices in place. But above all, your body is never wrong. Your body is safe, and so are you, and your voice is beautiful. Let's hear it.

Okay. Well, make sure that you let everyone know where they can find you and connect. Sure. Of course.

Absolutely. So Kimberlylaforte.com I have a YouTube channel as well, Instagram, Tiktok, Facebook, and I'm sure you will link some things in your show notes too, but I would love guys to have you connect with me on YouTube, I post videos sometimes prolifically, two times a day. It's been known, but I love teaching on there, and there's a bunch of free resources. And if you are interested in going deeper with me, you're feeling a call. I do have a four month group coaching program called the vocal honey coaching, and that's two times a year. So just get a hold of me. We'll either get you on the wait list, or if the doors are open, we can talk about ways for you to join the group.

Thank you so much for being here, Kim, and thank you for what you do.

Thank you for interviewing me, and so happy to connect with you and your community. Kelly, this was amazing. Thank you again.

All right, everyone, we'll see you next week.