Aug. 12, 2021

A Conversation with Paul Selig | GR108

A Conversation with Paul Selig | GR108
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Season 1

In order to heal from the wounds or wrongdoings of our past they need to be brought up from the basement to the surface where they can be seen and faced head on. Even if the process is painful. This is not done to point fingers, place blame or drag others into the darkness with us. Rather it is so we can look at the experience no matter how painful it may be and move through it in order to be released from the pain

Join Paul and me in this episode of “Get Real”, as we address topics such as, how to connect to our divine truth, the role of fear in life and making choices on how our life unfolds prior to our incarnation.

Dr Friedemann’s Takeaways:

Meet Paul Selig (00:00)

The Action Of The Creator (4:39)

Personality Structure (8:32)

Humanity Is At A Juncture (14:02)

The Action Of Fear (16:48)

I Don’t Get A Free Pass (20:49)

Grateful For The Path (23:34)

One Room Schoolhouse (28:50)

Meet Paul:

Paul Selig is considered to be one of the foremost spiritual channels working today. In his breakthrough works of channeled literature — I Am the Word, The Book of Love and Creation, The Book of Knowing and Worth, The Book of Mastery, The Book of Truth, The Book of Freedom, and the Beyond the Known Trilogy: Realization, Alchemy, and The Kingdom (see books page) — author and medium Paul Selig has recorded an extraordinary program for personal and planetary evolution as humankind awakens to its own divine nature.


Meet Dr Friedemann

Friedemann Schaub, MD, PhD, is the award-winning author of The Fear + Anxiety Solution. Dr. Schaub has helped thousands of people with his Personal Breakthrough and Empowerment program to overcome their fear and anxiety by addressing the deeper, subconscious root causes of these emotional challenges.

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Transcript
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Well,

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Paul, it's so nice to see you and in your new environment new

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your new home in Maui. So I'm really happy for you to show his

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greener pastures. How have you been doing?

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You know, I've been good. I mean, it's been a crazy year.

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And it was a crazy year for everybody. You know, I was

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working in Costa Rica doing a retreat when New York City went

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into lockdown last March. And I ended up on Maui by just because

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I had a friend who said, Here is a place you can stay and I ended

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up loving it here. And now I live here. So it was an

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interesting year of great.

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Wow, that's quite transformational and changing I

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can imagine. Now, you also just published the third book of your

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beyond the known trilogy, and I love them all. But to keep our

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listeners up to speed, can you I don't know if it's possible.

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summarize the first two books before we delve into the

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kingdom.

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I'll try. I think the kingdom is released in August, I just did

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the audio book. So I just read it through when I was in the

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booth, because when I'm channeling the books, I retain

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maybe a third of the information. But the first book

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of the trilogy was called realization. And it was really

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the teaching of what the guides call the upper room, which they

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say is a level of consciousness that is coexistent to ours, or a

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level of vibration that we can align to. So they're giving us

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the instructions on aligning to the upper room. The second book

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was alchemy. And that really is the Book about lifting things to

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the upper room and releasing the things within us that stop us

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from aligning to that level of vibration or consciousness or as

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they like to say, agreement. And it's really a book about I

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think, why we keep going up and down this spectrum of, of

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emotional reality, you know, and not to judge that. But they say,

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Well, if you want to stay in the upper room, there are ways to do

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it. And here's the work of doing that. The kingdom, which is the

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third book is really about a binding there, I think and

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beginning to align to what they call the kingdom and they say

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the kingdom is the realization of the inherent divine in all

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manifestation. And you know, in all of these books, there have

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been these attunements, or claims that they build on. And

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that's been the truth with all the books that preceded them.

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But one of the things they've been saying somewhat incessantly

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for a wireless that humanity's only real problem is what they

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call our denial of the Divine. And that's not about religion,

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but they say that denial of the source of all things, which is

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the source of everything they say, and different levels of, of

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tone, or vibration, or, or chord or articulation is their word.

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So they're really working with that now how to move us beyond

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what they call the denial of the Divine, to a realization of the

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inherent divine, which they say is in all things.

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Now, a lot of people have some bad experiences with religion,

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and also with the word God. And God was certainly mentioned in

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your book, and I think you probably are one of them. We're

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not so religiously attuned in the past. So how do you see God

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differently than the bearded man on the cloud?

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You know, I don't know that I brought this down. Truthfully. I

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mean, I'm, I'm I'm the channel I take dictation. But what they've

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said is, there is one note, or one tone being played in the

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entire universe, which they call God, they say that's the

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infrastructure of everything seen or imagined. And that that

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one tone they say is an articulation or manifestation is

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all things. So the substance of all things is this one sound,

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this one tone, they call it the word sometimes. And they say the

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word is the action of the Creator. So you know, when they

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say things like and when it's one of the attunements in the

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book God is God is God is it's the remembrance of the one

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source they've never talked about an old man on the cloud. I

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mean, I was raised an atheist, you know, and My mom would say

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an agnostic, maybe that's more true. But I was raised to

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believe that this stuff was for stupid people. And that was a

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very comfortable place for me to rest in until a series of events

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happened that, you know, began to open me up to the possibility

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of something much more. So I'm not uncomfortable with the idea.

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I think in some ways, you know, you can people can say, the

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universe and God, you know, you know, God is the universe, and

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it only matters what you call it, you know. But in some ways,

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I think what the guides are also doing is reclaiming language

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that I think has been misappropriated by religion, and

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sort of bring it into a place that I hope is experiential, for

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the reader, because the books are really energetic

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transmissions that work with the reader, they're less

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intellectual exercises, in possibilities, then, a way of

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sort of tapping in and experiencing this, I think, if

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that hadn't been the case, I would have stopped channeling

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this time ago.

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Now I can imagine that this sound of the Divine is in the

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teachings because there is a energetic transmission that

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happens. I mean, you just read a page. And something, even if you

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don't really comprehend all the words, something just changes

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inside, which is one of the fascinating things about your

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books. But one thing I'm wondering is, you know, the

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upper room and the kingdom are the same. Do I understand this

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right, or?

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i? Well, I think I think the kingdom is, is is moved into

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through the upper room, the upper room is I have the guide

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say this, they say everything exists in octaves, you know, our

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reality is an octave high loads and low notes, everything they

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say is tone. And they say the upper room is the octave above

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the one that we've been operating in. And so the upper

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room, Mr. Shift a level of vibration and consciousness to

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be able to align there. But they say the upper room is also vast.

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So I think that the upper they've used I think, a couple

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of times, the ideas interchangeably, but I think the

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kingdom is far more the experience of the upper room. So

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I think that there's a difference, perhaps between

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getting off the elevator, the 10th floor, and walking in the

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vestibule and say, Hey, wow, this is the 10th floor, look out

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the window, it's beautiful, then really experiencing yourself at

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that level of consciousness.

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So the kingdom is living through the consciousness of the upper

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room? Where does the ego come in there? Because a lot of people

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are struggling, especially right now with that part of them?

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Well, I

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am I mean, I think we all are. The guides say they don't talk

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about ego much, I think they've used the word like three times

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in their books, but they do talk about the personality structure.

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And the personality structure is who we think we are. And the

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personality structure they say knows itself in history. That's

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all I can know, you know, what it's been told, what it's been

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experienced, what one should aspire to, you know, so, so much

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of what we think we are what we want or should want or born out

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of this collective structure. And this is all sort of that

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tethering to the lower octave, this is the stuff that exists

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there. So, when they speak about moving to the upper room, they

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talked about, you know, I mean, they do this through a series of

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attunements. But, you know, one of the claims is I am free, I am

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free, I am free, and that they say is spoken by the true self,

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not the personality self, the attunements are all spoken at

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the level of they say the mon ad or the Christ itself or the true

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self. Because they say the true self is always free, in only Oh

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itself is less hence the true self that really is what

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expresses in what they call the upper room. So they say that the

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personality self is appropriated there. It's you know, it's it's

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absorbed there. There's a need for it. If you still like your

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coffee, black, you like your coffee, black, if you Prefer

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Blondes to Burnett's that to you, you know you can have what

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you want. You're not saying we don't have that, but I do think

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we stop experiencing ourselves as the personality structure,

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which is finite, you know, we understand it. It's a part of

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who we are, but it's not the expression. So it's kind of like

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what they would say and they said this, I think it was in

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alchemy. You know, we've been in a masquerade and we've mistaken

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who we are for the mask we've worn and they say the masks are

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Coming off now, and most of that's frightening to everybody,

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you know, whether it's happening at the level of personality or

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the level of the collective, you know, things aren't what they we

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thought they were. And so we're having to go through this

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experience of releasing the mask. And that's a lot of what

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the guides are teaching is how that happens and how to how to

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work with it. I don't find it a comfortable process in the least

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I wish my guides someday were writing happy self help books on

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how to better apartment or something like that, but that's

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not what they teach. And I'm along for the ride with this.

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You know, I don't I have this new book due in November 1. I

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had they haven't started the dictation yet. I haven't been

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given a title. I know nothing. I'm just saying where I hope to

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God, you know, it's happened nine times, I guess it will

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happen again, you know, not would that they'll deliberate.

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What's next? Because they hear we are mind for them.

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So what do you find uncomfortable about this

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process?

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Well, I mean, what the guides have said is, you know, if

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you've got a body buried in the basement, eventually it's going

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to stink up the whole house. And we all have parts of ourselves

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we prefer not to look at or not to be in confrontation with. And

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you know, very simple teaching of the guides is what your damn

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dams your back, or who you who you put in darkness calls you to

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the darkness. And what I think we're having to deal with now

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are both of those things, the parts of ourselves that we've

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denied, because we have to bring those parts of ourselves to the

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light, or to God or whatever you want to call it, because that's

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how it's healed. And also within our world. Now, I think people

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get confused here. And I think it's about dredging stuff up to

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point fingers and to blame. And I think, you know, really,

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nothing gets healed until it's first seen, you don't get to

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bypass this stuff. You don't get to say, Well, it wasn't so bad.

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When I was a kid, maybe it was really awful. And that's it, no,

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in order to move beyond it, not to get stuck there and not to

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drag everybody into the dark with you with your, your pain.

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But I think this is the process. And it was very much the process

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of the book of alchemy, and I went through it as they were

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teaching it. And it's not that it's over. I suspect this stuff

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happens in layers. But I think what we're going through

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individually as people is also sort of being out pictured in

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the hole, I think we can see it in the world, too, you know,

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and, you know, it's, it's an opportunity, I think everything

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is an opportunity. And then the guides keep stressing this, if

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we begin to perceive everything as opportunity, we can work with

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it. Well, if we shift into victimhood, we don't work with

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it very well, we go back into the old bias and paradigm of

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separation, which is how we were raised, and in fact, sort of

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indoctrinated to believe that we're separate from one another.

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And consequently, the guide says, you know, we bought that

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lie so fully, that we're separate from each other, that

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we believe ourselves to be separate from sources as well,

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which they say is can never be true, can be our experience. But

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that doesn't make it true.

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But this has been going on since the existence of human mankind,

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or just in the last 2000 years.

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I don't know. I mean, they've said that their teaching is

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older than what we know. And it's always been present in

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different forms. And that the seed of the teaching can be

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found in all religions. And you know, I don't know if that's

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true or not, and it's what they say. But what they're saying is

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that humanity is at a juncture in the very first book, which

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was called I Am the word, which was dictated in 2009. They said,

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humanity is at a time of reckoning, and a reckoning is a

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facing of oneself and all of one's creations. And everything

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that's been created in fear needs to be re known or

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recreated in a higher way. And that that's what we're going

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through now. And it's what we've been blocked, when we will

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continue to go through it. And, you know, I understand this is

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how we are preserving humanity by going through this process,

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because we really can't continue on the trajectory that we've

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been on. without, you know, probably self annihilation. You

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know, we build bombs that are big enough to do that. And, you

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know, the guides have said, the idea that you can build bombs,

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so that you can feel safe is insane, because bombs are

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actually meant to go off. I mean, that's the purpose of

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them. And if you think that one day, that doesn't happen, you're

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probably you know, not telling yourself the truth.

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I mean, not only bombs, but also guns, for sure. But one of those

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things that I find so challenging right now is people

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ending cluding myself is certainly this, you know, this

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temptation to go into fear or control? You know, there are

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these two temptations that you want to control all your

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circumstances because you only trust yourself. And if you can,

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then you go into fear place. One of the guys saying about it

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that,

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I don't know. I mean, I know it's early in the morning where

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I am now I'm on my first cup of coffee, I know if I'm gonna

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channel for you in this on this broadcast. But what what the

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guides say about beneath I'm going to ask anything, you want

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to decide what's right for you. And you do it at the level of

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personality, which gives you the answers that you have 65 and the

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personalities seeks to survive at the cost of all other things

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at the cost of all other things. It doesn't understand the self

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as a turtle, no one's brother is oneself nor no one's brother as

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one self, which is in fact a higher truth, which is in fact,

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a higher truth. Higher the ability to move to the higher

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self in a way to know the self in a new way as prescribed, is

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prescribed, instructed and instructed in and available to

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all of you and available to all of you should you wish or should

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you wish to. We don't tell people what to do we open door

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that no authorization, we open a door that they may walk through

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if they wish or choice, your choice. Either I'm in control or

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unconscious behind. Either I'm in control or going to be harmed

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as a template if fear is a template of fear and the action

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of fear. And the action of fear is and always has been is and

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always has been to claim more fear, to claim more fear, any

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choice, you're making fear. Any choice you make. And fear costs

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more for you to cause more fear to you're actually aligning,

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you're actually aligning to a current vibration to a current

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of vibration that is the phenomenon that is the denial of

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the Divine. That is what fear is that is what fear is we are

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teaching realization, we are teaching you realization to know

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who you are to know who you are in the face of change in the

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face of change and beyond circumstances, power to and be

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on circumstances that you would give great power to period. Just

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sit period.

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Makes a lot of sense. Thank you. But you certainly also talk with

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the guides talk a lot about love is the way to the upper room, if

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no choice.

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Yeah, but you know, they don't talk about love as much as I

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would think they would. I mean, it's certainly the books. But

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they do talk about acceptance. And they say, you know, it's

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like they said, Who you put in darkness, what you put in

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darkness calls you to the darkness. So they are teaching

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about forgiveness and forgiveness not in Well, that

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didn't really matter. It was okay, you can punch me in the

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nose again, if you want to, but in an awareness of how people

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act in fear and in a belief in separation. And so you know,

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there's an exercise in one of the older books book of mastery,

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where they had people go into a cave, and in that cave was the

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one person they never wanted to see again. And the exercise was

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to walk that person out of the cave and right. And the guides

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explained it that said you're the one that put them in

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darkness and they call you to that darkness. So if you want to

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release yourself, you have to release them. It's not about

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pandering to some idea of being sanctimonious or forgiving. We

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do these things so that we're untied from so that we're not

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you know, kept in fear, or whatever you want to call it.

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Those that is love. So no just said yes. MacKillop. It's an act

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of love to divine to reconcile the divine where the divine has

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been ignored, ignored, period, period.

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Do you feel that you the teachings have brought you to a

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completely different place? I mean, you are I know 30% you

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only retained but then you're certainly going back to the

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teachings hasn't changed you.

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Yeah, you know, but I don't feel that I'm if there isn't there.

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I'm not gonna say that I'm there there. But yeah, absolutely. It

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has. I'm living in an extraordinarily different life

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than I would have ever imagined I would be living. I was a

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college teacher for 25 years. And I assumed I would do that

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until I was too old to do that. I'm not a spiritual teacher. I'm

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certainly not a guru. I'm a man who sits in a chair and operates

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as a radio and I do this when I work as a channel and I do this

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when I work as a psychic. You know, I am a medium for the

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living. So I can't tell you what you're good at and claris thing

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But if Claire is living in the next town and you haven't spoken

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in two years, I can probably hear her pretty well and give

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you very accurate information. And so that's my audibility. And

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I show up for that. But because I show up for this, and I show

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up for this often when I don't want to, but I'm committed to

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the work, I have to go through it to, so I don't get the free

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pass. So if the guides are saying, Okay, everybody get

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ready to deal with some more of your crap. I'm there, you know,

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probably, and I'm not going to say I'm at the front of the

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line, I may be hiding at the back, but I'm in line to along

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with everybody else. I don't think that this is it's not feel

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good woowoo stuff. This is sort of mysticism, I suspect if it's

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anything. And honestly, you know, when I question and I just

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go, Well, you know what, Paul, no matter how articulate you

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might be, you can't sit back in a chair with your eyes closed

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and dictate nine books that don't require any editing at

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all, which is with these things, I think they're in an average

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book, there may be three words change because I mispronounce

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them. Or I was talking so fast that I overstepped and dropped a

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word because you can hear it because I whisper in repeats, we

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can usually catch them. And then more. So wonderful.

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transcriptionist has gotten very adept at that. But that's been

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the agreement. And I've been fortunate to work with

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publishers who've agreed to that, you know, we don't go back

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and change things. It's scary for me with every book because I

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know when I'm in a dictation session, that's what it's going

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to be in the world. I don't get to go back and say, let's just

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trim that paragraph or take out that word, which can't do it.

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Okay, now, the guides might say, and this is not in the book, and

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then I go, Oh, thank God. But you know, the last book, The

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kingdom was dictated because I done maybe the last five books

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in front of live audiences, you know, all of it was done, either

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online in front of audiences, mostly in workshops. And because

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of COVID, and everybody being locked down, the last book was

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dictated to some of it online in workshops, but most of it to a

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small group that assembled to be witness to the teachings because

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I can't channel without somebody listening. I won't do it. First

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Book, that was channeled without my having the ability to work

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with the attunements in a public setting, so that I understood

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them personally, myself, which gives me comfort, I don't think

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it makes a difference in the dictation at all. So anyway,

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that's that. So has it changed me? Yeah, I'm still doing that.

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But I mean, you probably have a good idea of what it is, you

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know, to be in the upper room, when you spend probably some

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time there,

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when I'm channeling Sure. I've had periods of it here. I did

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not get into this kind of stuff. Because things were so rosy. You

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know, I'm not one of those people. And, you know, I am very

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grateful for the path that has led me here don't question that.

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I don't I accept that fully. But, you know, like everybody

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else, I've got my stuff. And my challenges. And the more I work

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with the guides, teaching us to attend to them, the better off I

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am. You know, and I'm often resistant to doing that. But I

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know that it works when I do it. So pretty. So they chose you for

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a reason. I'm sure. I see. Yeah. I mean, they've talked some

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about that, or I asked, you know, I think there was a bit of

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both happening here. for whatever reasons, I seem to be

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sort of built for this adept where this you know, if I was

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six foot five, maybe I'd be adept at being a basketball

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player, you know, but this is sort of how I seem to be wired.

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And I think it's it's a really interesting use of my abilities.

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You know, it's not what I thought I would be doing, you

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know, I started opening up spiritually and psychically when

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I was 25. And that really basically just shattered my

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world because it's, you know, I had a whole other path that I

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expected to be on than the one that I found myself on. And that

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continues to be the case.

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But the reason why I'm asking is because you as one who gets this

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first hand knowledge, probably know how to transcend fear, and

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how to transcend this small self because you probably have been

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vacillating up and down. Many times.

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Yes and No, but you know, But I'm radio to think of the Think

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of me that like. So when I'm channeling, I'm just keeping up

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with it. I'm keeping up with the dictation it's like reading 1000

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fortune cookies, one after the other after the other. Without

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even I don't even know what the sentence is going to be I hear

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phrase sprays, sprays, sprays, spray, and so I'm just keeping

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up. Yeah, I retain about a third, I retain the larger

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gestures of the work when I channel. But I don't necessarily

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or something that's a detail that was surprising to me. But

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I'm most effective when I'm actually just taking the

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dictation and not trying to understand or listen, because

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then I'm really out of the way, you know, and we're out of the

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way I am, the more effective I am. And the more out of the way

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I am, the less that I retain. So the first time that I generally

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really experience a book is when I'm sitting and doing the audio

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book and I have to read it aloud, again, read it aloud from

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start to finish. And I go Oh, boy. And that's you know how I'm

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taught as well. So I'm taught in the energy of this, there's no

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question. And do I have access to everything I teach?

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Absolutely. But honestly, if you were the channel, it would be

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easier. Because I got, let's see what he had to say there. I'm

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going to do that, Oh, that's great. I'll do that, you know,

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and there's still a little piece of me always that's who the hell

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am I doing this. And, and I accept that. And maybe that's

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also part of the reason I'm doing this, I really do not have

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an ego investment in this role that I'm in, you know, I see

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myself. If you ever go like to court, you see the stenographer,

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you know, typing away in the front. I'm a stenographer for

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this. I don't think they're terribly grand position to be.

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But it's kind of taking dictation mouse.

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And that's unfiltered. So you definitely don't have any

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filters around that. You know, you have in your kingdom book,

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one beautiful, I don't know what you want to call it, if it's an

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agreement, or if it's an affirmation, but it's basically

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when you do feel fear coming up, the guide says, or when the

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separation consciousness coming up, a guide says, this choose to

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say, on this day, I choose to align every aspect of my being

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to the choices before me that any choice I may make will be

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the alignment with my true self. And I just love that. I mean,

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this is just something very, very powerful. And I think the

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books are full of these really simple but very powerful ways of

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shifting the energy raising the octave.

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That's what they do. It's an energetic fusion, I think far

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more so than, than intellectual one.

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What would you recommend for people and how to start, let's

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say they are intrigued by the idea of the true self, the upper

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room, the kingdom, but they don't know how to begin?

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Well, I think people go to the book that calls to them, there's

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nine of them. But the guides are very good teachers. And they say

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that they teach in a one room schoolhouse, and you can enter

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the teaching anywhere, and they will teach you and they do they

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say sponsor or mentor, the students of their work. So you

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know, some people enter it at the most recent book, it happens

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frequently, then they find themselves going back, some

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people go back to the very first book time, the word or the first

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book of a trilogy, whether it's the book of mastery or

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realization, because the trilogies are complete, but you

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know, there's a lot of information at this point, there

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are 1000s and 1000s and 1000s, of pages of channeling. And I

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just trust that people go where they're LED.

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And there is no one way to get there, to the upper room, the

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kingdom there.

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They tell you how to do it. If you want to work with the upper

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room, two chains, you can start with realization, catch the

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reader up and out to me and then catch the waiter repping enemy

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kingdom. The basis for all of the books in some ways, I think

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in the upper room. The preparatory work for the upper

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room teachings are in the books that preceded them. They give it

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a teaching that is in sequence. And they I think sometimes the

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DNA of all of the books are in the very first book, and that

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they've been unpacking that teaching about the inherent

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divine ever since. But I don't know that that's true. And

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again, I don't know what's next either. I mean, again, there's

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another book that should be completed in a few months. I'm

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going oh my god, is this going to happen?

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Well, do we all have a choice to go to the kingdom? Or is that

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something that? No, we can also refuse? Yeah, we have free will.

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They honor free will do what you want, you know, and they've

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never said and they say if anybody ever tells you, it's my

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way of the highway, go go go run in the other direction. I don't

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think it works that way. But we have free will, the guides talk

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about the braiding of the will the will of the personality,

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self, and Divine Will, and that they begin to operate in union

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or unison. And then at that level, you begin to move into

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what they call knowing or you know, clear cognizance, you're

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just, you're just operating from knowing you're not trying to

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figure it out anymore. Because your choices are made just like

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that, quote, that you. In the book, your choices are made at

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that level of awareness. We have choice, yes. And there are

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consequences for the choices. All of us no choice.

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But I mean, also choosing to stay with a personality self as

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a consequence of possibly greater suffering.

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You're going to learn for the personality self, it's what's

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here for it's nothing wrong with it. It's not something

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necessarily to be overcome, I don't think I just think the

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problem has been that we've confused it with who we really

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are. But you know, you can learn that fire is dangerous by

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putting your hand in it. But you don't. You don't have to learn

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that way. You understand? Yeah. So we have choice. And we can

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learn however, we wish. I do trust at this point. And it's

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not always easy. That, you know, the circumstances that I have in

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my life are what are here to teach me. It's really that

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simple. You know, it's like it's all opportunity, if I'm willing

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to look at it that way.

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And are the guides just as a final question, are the guides,

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hopeful for humanity or the neutral regards,

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I've been finding them pretty helpful. They've actually said

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humanity's made a choice. And this is going to that's the

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Collective Soul of humanity, that collective humanity. And a

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higher level is said yes, to progressing forward. And that

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some of what we're dealing with now is how we have to do that.

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They need to be sort of unmade or racing in order to be made

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new. And that's a lot of their teaching, how things are made

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new, racing rearticulated in what they call the upper room,

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or the higher octave.

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And that also has probably to do, how we deal with nature,

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animals,

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those things, were responsible for what we create that includes

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physical planet that we're in stewardship of and seem to not

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do a very good job of stewarding.

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So the challenge right now, for most of us is just keeping

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forward moving forward with this choice and not getting pulled

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into the darkness by being righteous or angry or any of

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those things

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where say self righteousness is always the small self for the

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personality structure. You know, it's it's a convenient trap, and

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I fall into it, but I'm pretty good at catching myself when I

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do it because it gets more and more uncomfortable when I

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Well, thank you so much, Paul, for this enlightening hour

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again, or half an hour. And I wish you all the best for this

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new book and the book in November that it all comes

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through as it needs to be and I appreciate so much that you are

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letting yourself be that vehicle for all this wisdom to come

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through. Thank you. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.