How One Woman's Intuition Led Her to Empathy, EQ and Evolution of Leadership | DFS 334

I love it. Welcome to Destin for success.

I'm your host, Jennifer Takagi, and today we have another

amazing guest. We have Tabitha Jones, and today she's going to

talk about promotion ready, proven strategies for career

success, and her new book that's out, promotion ready in three

months, the Women's Guide to career advancement. Tabitha,

thanks for being on the show.

Thank you for having me. Jennifer, I am so

excited to talk to you and your audience today.

Ah, me too. So how did you get into this? Did

you come from corporate, I'm assuming, and then step into

this new role? Because promotion ready that would have like, this

would have been like manna from heaven, words I was dying to

hear,

right? Oh my gosh, yes. I came from

corporate. I spent a really long time there, but more than 20

years of my career, I was climbing the ladder. And I tell

you, if there was a promotion readiness fairy, I could have

used her at any point in my career. So I thought, You know

what? Think I'm going to become that person. And so a little bit

just about my background in corporate, and where this came

in is I had been promoted to a project manager role, and I

stayed in that role for 10 years, I had a project manager

title. I was leading three teams of people. I was leading major

projects, including one of the largest billing system

conversions, which is a bagel coding project in the history of

the company and the vendor. I was doing all kinds of things

and working on my degree, thinking that I just need to be

a little more perfect, and then somebody's going to notice and

they're going to magically promote me stories we tell

ourselves, right? She's coming. It's going to happen. My boss is

just going to be like, hey, Tabitha, we've got this great

thing for you. And believe it or not, it didn't happen that way,

so it's so, it's so. About 10 years in, we went through a

reorg. And during that reorg, if you've ever been familiarized

with the telecom tech industry, there are a lot of reorgs. I had

been through a lot, but this one, I had to reapply for my

job. And what I did is I looked at all the job postings that

were out there and realized I was already doing more than the

next level up required. And I said, Well, what are we doing

here? So I applied for it, and I went to the interview, and I did

great, because I got offered the promotion to manager billing

systems manager, and I was offered a whopping 4% pay

increase with that change, and that was the day. I said, Hell

no, I'm done with this. This is not happening. I said, Thank

you, but no, thank you. And I walked

out. Okay, then go ahead.

I've had this conversation with a girlfriend

of mine multiple times. How if there are 10 quality ranking

factors for a job position like you need these 10 things to

apply? If a man has two, maybe three, they'll go, oh, yeah, I

can do that job and apply. And women look at it and say, Oh, I

only have eight of those. I can't apply. Is that part of

this culture?

It's very much a part of the corporate culture.

It is most of the women I work with are Gen X, so that 45 to

early 60s, kind of age range it, I think, was beaten into us at a

young age, that you've got to be perfect. You can't put yourself

out there, you can't make a mistake, you can't you don't

want to look stupid. So make sure you meet all those

requirements, and you're absolutely right. I think the

statistic is that men will apply if they have 40 to 60% of the

qualifications. Women will wait until they're 100% qualified.

Yes, and that's kind of where I was heading, right? It just

didn't. Eventually I'll have everything I need to get

promoted

well, and so job 10 years because you didn't

have 10 things right to apply for the next promotion

Exactly. Oh, I just need a degree. Oh, I need

experience and leadership. Oh, I need to do this. And just kept

working so hard. And what happened when I turned the job

down is within less than a half an hour, it was probably 1520

minutes, I was called into the CFOs office, and she sat me down

and said, Well, we were really expecting you to accept that

offer. We don't have anyone else as qualified as you for this

position. Here are the reasons why. So she starts telling me

all of the reasons I'm valuable, which I. Was a great light bulb

moment. And she said her exact words were, what will it take to

make this offer palatable? We want you in the role. And I,

having never negotiated for anything in my life, said I

would like a senior manager title, because I'm already doing

more than the job requires, and I would like a 15% pay increase.

And she smiled and said, I assume you mean on top of the 4%

we've already offered. And I said, Absolutely no. And

hindsight, right? It was like, no, yes, hindsight, I wish I'd

asked for more, because her answer came back really fast. So

there definitely was some knowledge and wiggle room in

there, I could have negotiated better, but what I learned from

that is that there is strategy to promotions. It's not hiding

behind your desk and working your butt off every single day

and hoping to God somebody notices and magically promotes

you. That happens, but it's pretty rare. It's more about

taking really proactive and strategic actions. Part of that

comes with knowing who you are, understanding your unique value

to the organization, and part of it has to do with getting

uncomfortable. You're comfortable doing the work

you're familiar with, maybe not so comfortable putting yourself

into a room full of people and speaking on a topic that is

maybe not your strongest, strongest strength. So it

there's definitely some strategy to getting yourself positioned

and and pushing for what you want.

So did you at what point did you leave

corporate like so you got your senior position with your 19%

pay increase? I did

well, I stayed a little longer. So what happened

from there is I realized all the light bulbs, all the strategy,

all the things I should have, would have, could have been

doing, I started doing them, and that led to it was a total of

four promotions over the next 10 years. So I had promoted into

that senior billing manager role. We then went through

another re org, and I negotiated for a promotion to a director

role over part of our West Division team. And that one was

interesting, because I wasn't initially given an opportunity

to interview. But as I was hearing from others who were

already directors, who were already interviewing, I thought,

You know what? Today's the day. So I reached out to the hiring

manager and asked for a conversation. And during that

conversation, which she obviously accepted, I shared my

unique value. I shared with her my accomplishments and my

success. As women, we forget that our HR record doesn't house

all of that information. My HR record showed I had been a

project manager for 10 years, a senior billing systems manager

for 10 months, and she can't possibly be ready for a

director. She hasn't even been a senior manager for 10 years. You

know, not sorry, not 10 years, not even a full year. But when I

spoke to the hiring manager, I said, what you don't know about

me is I already was doing the work of a senior manager. So

though, on paper, it's been 10 months, in reality, it's been

more than five or six years, and as we had that great

conversation, she was really wonderful. She said, there's

absolutely a spot for you on the team. We see you in a senior

manager role. And I just said, Listen, I've done that. I am

either moving up, I am moving over to a different department

to get more experience, or I'm moving out of this company, but

I'm not planning to apply for a senior manager role. So a few

short days later, I found myself on an airplane headed to Denver

where I interviewed with seven vice presidents for the job that

I landed, which was that director role. Then through

working hard and doing a lot of really cool things with my team,

having great employee culture survey scores and other fabulous

results that I could talk about all day, but I'm sure you all

don't care. I was promoted to senior director, and then my

last role was yet another reorg, and my team was going from a

Division team into a corporate team, so going from leading

seven states of employees to 40 some odd states, staying based

in California. Thankfully, the expectation was that I would

just come over with my title as is and my pay as is, and they

would just work it out later. And so bless their hearts, maybe

let's not do that. So taking my strategies once again, I reached

out to the head of the department, who happened to be

the controller of the company, and asked for some time, and

then had a very candid conversation, bringing in my

successes and accomplishments, bringing in why I deserved a

promotion and a pay increase. Comparing the titles of other

people who were coming into similar roles with the title

that I had, and that turned into a promotion to executive

director with an additional pay increase. And the best part of

that is not only did it get me what I wanted, but it also

brought up other women who are in senior director and director

roles, because you can't change one. You gotta change them all.

And so it worked out for others. It really opened the door and

getting in there and advocating.

I think that the one thing that I would have

been very hesitant, slash fearful of just because I had

never done it would be that courageous piece of but this is

what I bring to the party, and this is why you should care. So

I don't want to derail the conversation if this is too

early to bring it up, but I'm very curious if in your current

business, if that's something you work with your clients, on,

is having the courage to have the conversation? Yes,

absolutely, that is a great question. And what is

so important is we're so afraid women will play small and stay

quiet and try to make everybody like them. We're so worried

about it a man, isn't I write. I love this book. It's called

Brave, not perfect, and it talks about how men are not afraid of

making mistakes, but women were like, oh gosh, we gotta make

sure we don't make that mistake. And so it holds us back. It

makes us not feel like we can talk about our accomplishments.

And the question I'm asked most often is, but doesn't that sound

cocky? So I'll work with women and get them to talk about their

accomplishments, have them practice saying it and then, but

doesn't that sound cocky? Like my friend? I can assure you that

Joseph down the hall. Doesn't even think about asking that

question. He's out talking about it. In fact, he might even be

taking credit for the work you just did with him, because

you're not in the room presenting your piece of the

work and sharing your value. And it's really amazing to work with

women, some of them in their job search. I'm going to use that as

a great example, because I hear a lot of well, I'm not really

sure what I do. I can tell you what my team does, but I'm not

really sure what I do. And once we flush it out, and I get it

written into this really beautiful professional summary,

sometimes I'll ask that woman to close her eyes while I read her

professional summary to her. And we start with the shoulders up

high and the oh my gosh, what's going to come out? And then

pretty soon you see the relaxed face and the smile and the

shoulders coming down, and the Oh my gosh. That's me. Yeah,

that's you. You just forgot. You forget to take credit for

things. You forget how amazing you are. And as women, most of

us are list checker offers. Just get the list done right, do all

the things we don't stop and think about the impact of the

work that we've done. What was the benefit to the business? How

did you improve? Maybe an employee help an employee

improve their performance? How did you you know, whatever it

is, what does that one little thing that you did, that you

just checked the box and moved on, how did that play out?

What's the big picture? And so I love reflection time, taking

time to think about that stuff

as an entrepreneur. And a lot of the

listeners of this podcast are entrepreneurs, but one of the

hardest lessons for me, because I have gone into corporations

and government agencies and conferences and done breakout

sessions and training sessions, is how much value to put On my

time for doing the work, and it's like, oh, wait, but, but,

but. And very early on, I I was advised, I guess I will say,

that if you go in and you do a training for 10 of the top

managers of that corporation, and you transform them into

being better leaders, that is going to have a ripple effect

and impact throughout the whole organization. So you're not just

getting paid so many dollars an hour. You're paying for the

impact, and that impact comes with all of the experience that

you have to have these conversations. And I think the

last corporate thing that actually was a government entity

that I applied for and I sent down my, you know, he said, Send

me your proposal. And I sent the proposal, and I was to include

my travel. All. And he said, but you can fly on Southwest

Airlines for $49 and I said, but I'm not going to. And he said, I

can't believe you're going to charge $100 a person on top of

your fee. And I said, I've got to pay for the assessments. And

in the end, I didn't get the job. I didn't do it, but I

decided the money really wasn't worth it, if he wasn't going to

value what I was bringing to the party. I had years of government

experience. I didn't know their agency, but they're not that

different, right? There's all kinds of bureaucracy and red

tape involved, and you've gotta step up and be the best leader

you can be. So I don't know what they ever ended up doing for

that, but like, he wanted me to get up at four in the morning

and fly on Southwest Airlines to try to get there and go straight

in and train his team all day. And I was like, Nah,

yeah, no, thank you. I'm with you, and you don't

want me in a room if I've been up traveling since 4am because

it's not going to go well for anybody.

No, I'm a sleeper. Four comes once a day,

and that's a pm for me, right?

Agree? Oh my gosh, so good. And it's true.

You know,

you've got you gotta take credit for the impact

you make, because you, you feel like you're just impacting this

little team, but this quote, little team, that's like an air

quote thing that little team is, is creating a huge impact on the

company at large, right? Whichever piece it is, they're

there for a really phenomenal reason. So, yeah,

absolutely. And you know it's so as a as an

owner of my own business now too, it is easy to kind of go,

Well, wait what? When somebody now says, well, we seem kind of

expensive. And like, Well, okay, let's back it up a little bit. I

mean, I've had clients. I would say one of the lower ROI is

about $15,000 higher end is well over $100,000 you know,

depending on their journey. Is it a job search? Is it

leadership growth? Is it, you know, recently, I've talked to a

couple of entrepreneurs and getting their businesses

straightened out. And, you know, stop following the shiny things,

getting them on track with the things that actually will build

their business. So you're absolutely right, that value can

be questioned. And if you're not strong in your value and knowing

your own worth, it's a lot easier for people to challenge

it. Yeah,

yeah, oh my gosh, that's great. Okay, so at

what point did you decide to walk away from corporate and

help other women, like as your own business, versus in your

corporate setting.

Wow. So I'm going to take you back to 2018 I was

sitting in this conference. It was a leadership but when

leading with power and authenticity conference, and I

kept hearing this little voice in the back of my head with, why

aren't you up there leading this? What are you doing? And I

went through all the imposter syndrome stuff, right? Well, you

don't have a master's degree. They've been doing this

internationally. They've done blah blah and so all the

comparison that comes with imposter syndrome. And I came

back and I couldn't shake that feeling, so I decided, You know

what, I'll hire a business coach. I'll start on the side.

I'll go through the legalities with my company make sure

everything's good whatever. I loved coaching in my business or

in my career, the paperwork, the data, not so much, which was

weird. I led technical teams, but no. Thanks anyway. So back

to that. So then I did it for a couple of years. And as you may

know, and many of your listeners probably know, it's hard to do

both. It's hard to focus on both. And so we got to 2019 and

I told my husband, I think I'm putting my job next year. And he

thought I was insane. And I said, Now I'm pretty sure I'm

leaving my job next year. So I went, got through it, kept

working. The reorganization happened at the end of 2019

early 2020 we all know where we went in March of 2020 and I

went, Wow, we're going to back up a little bit. We're going to

stick around just a little longer. But this pandemic, you

know, these couple days of lockdown blow over and get my

team settled, do the best thing for them. And it was really

great just building that structure and getting my team

set for success. I decided later in 2020, it was time. 50, it's

time if I don't do it now, I'm never going to do it, and then

I'm going to regret it. And I thought, Okay, I'm going to let

my husband know in December, hey, when my bonus pays out,

when my stock options best I'm out. I'll be leaving after q1

and he did his you know, all husbands do well. Are you sure

that's what you really want to do? You love your job. You did

it. And I do love most of my job. I don't love some of my

job. So yes, I'm absolutely doing this. And then I kind of

kept giving. Him the little hints of it's coming. And I

talked to you know, my bestie, and she said, Are you crazy? You

have a great job. You have this you've got all these benefits.

I'm doing it. Fast forward to march 21 ish, my stock options

vested. My bonus was in the bank. I got my boss on the

phone, on teams, and gave her three weeks notice that April 2

was officially my last day of work. I watched her visibly

choke on her water and told her, You know what? The sit I love.

I've loved my career here, but it's time for my next act, and

that's how I landed here.

I had to say that husband piece cracks me up,

because I was given the opportunity I had decided what I

wanted to do when I grew up and retired, and I want to be a

trainer and a speaker like that's that was going to be my

next act. And they called us in and said, we're having a massive

reorg. You can either leave or you can relocate. And I was

like, I'm not leaving and or I'm not relocating. That was my big

deal. So it took me about three weeks, and I did spreadsheets

and reduce, you know, pension and this, and would we have

health insurance? And I can remember so clearly it had been

about three weeks since the big announcement, and I was brushing

my teeth, and I walked it through our bedroom, where my

husband was watching TV in the other room. And I said, hey. And

he goes, what? And I said, I think you should get used to the

idea that I am going to actually leave. And he was like, what?

And I went, Yeah, I know, I yeah, I'm doing it, like I'm

doing it. But when you make that decision like it's solid,

it is there was no going back. And, you know,

it's, it's funny too, because there were a couple of times in

the early days of the business, it's, well, maybe I should start

looking for jobs. Maybe I should. Maybe it would be

easier, because as an entrepreneur, there's so many

things, there's so many things in your face, and software and

ideas and programs, and it just got to that point where I was

like, Oh my gosh, I need it support. I don't I can't open a

ticket anymore. Oh my gosh. I know nothing about marketing.

What am I going to do? It's, it's wild. In fact, I was

hosting my first zoom webinar, and I had so many technic,

technical difficulties, and I'm just gonna open a ticket, and

then I'm like, Oh, I got the ticket. The ticket, you know,

it's not like corporate at all from that aspect.

Yes, my IT person one day, and I was like,

I think I did not appreciate you enough. Please just accept my

right. So good. Oh my gosh. There were so many

things that were handled, but now getting my hands in

everything, and knowing how things work, taking the time, I

would say, it's taken me a couple of years to get where I

wanted to be and really understanding and figuring

things out from a business perspective, but the coaching

piece has always just been it's my favorite. It's so rewarding

seeing women just pick up that, oh, I remember who the F I am

right now, and just going forward and getting what they

want. And that's it's, I don't know. It just warms my heart,

literally every single day.

Oh my gosh, that's awesome. So I don't want

to jump ahead unless you're ready to jump ahead, but I'm

very interested in your new book. Oh

well, my new book, I will show you. It's

promotion ready in three months, the Women's Guide to career

advancement available on Amazon, and I just had all of this

strategy in my head. I've shared it with coaching clients and

thought, You know what, maybe if I can just get women to really

start thinking about promotions differently. You know, we will

die at our desk trying to prove ourselves. I did it early in my

career, I've had people come and talk to me just so frustrated

with the feedback I keep getting is I need more education. I have

a friend that she's almost finished her PhD and still

hasn't achieved the role she wants. It's not that in most

cases, unless you're a doctor or a lawyer, that's not necessary.

I have a client who earned her MBA and was disappointed to not

get a an interview for her next promotion opportunity. She's

like, I have my MBA. I've worked so hard well, So sir, what were

you doing at work while you were working on your MBA, to build

your brand and to get visible and make sure leaders knew you

and knew your goals. And I've had some really inspiring

clients, so I've added some of their stories. I've added some

of my story, and then strategy reflection and some tips and

tools. It's a pretty action packed book, if I may say so

myself, considering it's about 200 pages.

Yeah, and I love that I have done training

for the great state of Oklahoma in the past, which those are

some of my favorite best days, is doing training. And one of

the things that we were doing in a leadership class is, what is

your brand? And I will just say, in my career, I never thought

about that like that wasn't a thing that was brought up. But

when I started looking into it as I was prepping to teach this

class, it was like I was well known, and I was known for what

I did, and I was consistent, right, and showing up and doing

the job. So I think that's so important to share that people

understand that every day they walk in the door, whether it's

100% online or physically walking the door, doesn't really

matter how you show up. Is creating that brand every single

day, whether you're doing it intentionally or not, is a whole

nother ball game,

absolutely, and you have to protect your brand

at all costs, you know, making sure that you're associated with

the right people and things you can be you. You just need to

make sure that it keeps your brand intact. Something

interesting that happened last week. I had so I worked for

Comcast for most of my career, and I had done a couple of

speaking events for them in July and August. And one of the HR

directors actually reached out to me on LinkedIn, and I had

never worked with him. His career at Comcast started after

mine ended, and he just said, Hey, I'd love to get to know

you. You want to stop by blah, blah, blah. So I did. And one of

the things he said to me, he said, there are so many times in

this building that your name has come up. He said, so I know

people know you. I have heard it from people who have

successfully interviewed, and when they've been asked why they

talk about you, your name comes up. We've had people here that

have worked with you as a coach, and your name comes up past

projects I see said, I keep hearing your name, so I'm happy

that we finally got to meet. And that was really important to me

when I left, is making sure that my brand was intact, so

maintaining that professionalism. Because I knew

I wanted to come back in and coach clients in the industry,

and I knew that if I left with the attitude I might have been

feeling some days, that wasn't going to serve me right. And

it's just really important to keep that in mind. And when

you're in public, and sometimes I may have my book on the table,

just doing some promoting or or talking to people or taking

photos, making sure that when they see that book and they see

my face, I'm representing the right things.

I love that so much. I had a situation where I

was acting in a position, and then they hired somebody from

the outside to come in, and they got the promotion and I didn't.

And of course I was disappointed. Was like, oh, wait

a minute. Like, everybody just assumed it was mine, and you can

like, I didn't assume it was mine. And I was right,

obviously, but one of the higher ups called me one day and said,

I just want you to know that we noticed that you've continued to

do a good job, even though you were passed over for the

promotion. And I said, well, our culture is that the higher ups

don't interact with the lower management people, so you would

have no way of knowing, but I'm pretty sure everybody else in

the organization could have told you that's how I would be, but

there was such a divide that she couldn't see that. But it was

important to me to keep showing up and doing the job like you

have to have your own level of integrity that you insist on

maintaining. It wasn't always easy, but some days I did it

better than others, but that was, like, always the goal. So

that's a that's a really key point, and kudos to you for

having maintained that all those years.

Yeah, absolutely, there was one time when I did

not get a promotion that I had expected, and hindsight always

is much more clear, right? It was because a reorg was coming

and it didn't make sense to put me in the role, because I would

have been at risk. And when the change was announced, of course,

with all the secrecy behind it, I was so upset that I actually

just popped a smile on my face, popped in a vacation request,

and took a couple days off, like it just wasn't worth being at

work and maybe accidentally saying something, because I was

a little bit emotional. And it's okay to have emotions. It's okay

to do what you've got to do, but don't do it there. Take it home.

Cry it out, scrape it out, punch it out, whatever you gotta do.

Not punch it out on any person or animal or anything. But you

know. A bag, a workout, whatever, let's be clear, but

it's just not, it doesn't belong in the office. And we don't

always know what's coming. We don't always know. I had no idea

there was a reorg coming, right? You have no idea. So things can

drive changes that you don't expect. Well,

and, and the hard thing is, like in my

situation, I had trained people across the country for a year

thinking we were just going to do business better, and, but no,

it was to set up for a reorg, so if everybody knew what the new

rules were, then they could throw us all together, because

we all knew what the rules were. And several people. I know there

were a lot more, but to my face, said you knew about this the

whole time, didn't you? And I was like, no, no. I found out at

530 on Tuesday, and it was announced to the country at one

o'clock on Wednesday. So that's how long I knew. Like, No, I did

not. So it's amazing how quiet they can keep things when they

want to. Yeah,

I've been on that side of it where I've had to

keep things quiet knowing that my team's that last reorg. Of

course, I knew it was coming. I couldn't talk to people about

it. I couldn't tell them where they were going to land or what

it was going to look like. Thankfully, during that reorg,

everyone was keeping their jobs, but it was a really, really big

shift. Just cultural wise, Team wise, leadership wise, even

responsibility wise. There were some big shifts, so I get it,

and there's just some things that can't be shared until it's

time. There has to, we have to give leaders time to get their

plans straight, otherwise it's going to flop anyway.

Yeah, you you have to and when you are in a

lower level position and you don't see that and understand

it, you can have lots of feelings about it, but as you

grow in your career and then you start putting the pieces

together, it's easier to see. So if you're listening and you're

not the one in a management role yet, I just want you to know

that there are reasons for those things, and it's not just to be,

you know, mean and icky to you. It there. There are a lot.

There's a lot that has to go in place on there. So your book is

out. You have one on one, coaching, group coaching. How do

you how do you work with clients,

all the things. So I do have one on one

coaching, which is generally designed for job seekers,

because that's a little bit more personalized, as well as people

who are at that director VP level, some managers will come

into that one as well, who are looking for general strategy on

promotion, working through some troubleshooting a recent client

of mine. She came to me because she had lost confidence after a

mistake and was technically not demoted, but actually felt very

demoted based on the fact she went from leading teams of

people to being an individual contributor with very little

conversation, and just let me know a couple weeks ago that

she's been tapped on the shoulder, and this did happen,

and one of those promotion things that, hey, we have this

opportunity. We want you in this role. We need you to start

organizing and drawing out what your organization structure will

look like absolutely because she's showing more confidence,

she's coming up with that stronger leadership brand and

presence, and she's been very visible and doing all the right

things. So that's one on one group coaching. I have a

actually promotion ready, and three months boot camp that just

kicked off, and that is three months of complete strategy,

accountability and some fun to get you positioned for that next

promotion. And this is a really great time to get started, as

you know, three months is going to go by fast and being able to

start showing up as someone who's thinking forward and ready

for that next higher level opportunity. It's It's gold.

It's so important to start showing up as promotion ready

before the position post. So we work through that. And then I

have other group programs available. I've got some resume

training courses available. But the right now, the one on one

and the promotion ready in three months, are my main, my main

offerings. Oh

my gosh, I love that, and I'm so excited for you

and for your book, that's just such a fun thing to be an

author. Like someone said, you're an author. And I was

like, wait, I'm what? And they're like, you publish a book

and it was a best seller on Amazon, you're an author. And I

was like, Oh, wow. Like, somehow I hadn't put all that together.

I did write it, and it was there it is. My

gosh, it's not amazing, and congratulations on

that too. It's just, it's so funny. I was in a room. I joined

this new networking group. They asked me to to attend and check

it out, feel it out. And it was a great event. But we went

around and introduced ourselves, and I said, I'm a career

advancement and leadership coach. And then the organizer

said, and author, oh

yeah, I am I, I am an author. Yeah, yeah.

Congratulations. That's cool. So for our listeners, that will be

in the show notes. So you can click on the show notes also,

Tabitha runs challenges, and you can click on the challenge. I'll

have that link in the show notes too, so you can get all the

things Tabitha this has been very enlightening and insightful

for me. No, I don't ever want to go back to my previous job, but

this is information I wish I had had back in the day. So as we

wrap up, final words for the audience,

oh my gosh. My final word is, don't stay stuck.

Don't be afraid to ask for help, get those goals, get your goals

really clear, and start moving forward today, because time's

passing by whether you're taking action or not. So there's no

reason to sit there and stay stuck or be afraid. We're here.

Feel free to connect with me also on LinkedIn, and let's get

you moving.

Oh my gosh. This has been great. Taba, thank

you so much for your time. It's been lovely getting to know you.

Oh my gosh, thank you, Jennifer. This was so fun.

Have a great day. You

too. I'm Jennifer Takagi with destin for

success, and I look forward to connecting with you soon. You.