Dre. Michelle Greenwell shares how the body remembers | DFS 275

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Welcome to destined for success. I'm your

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host Jennifer Takagi and today I'm happy to have with me Dr.

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Michelle Greenwell a Complementary and Integrative

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Health Specialist. What did I miss? I missed a word in there.

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Dr Michelle Greenwell: Yeah, integrative health specialist.

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Yep.

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Perfect. I love it. So Michelle's on my calendar

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and I was like, Can you remind me how we know each other. So we

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had to go down a rabbit hole on how we know each other how we

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got connected. And we got connected through the amazing

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Michelle Abraham, who has the company amplify you, which is

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the company that actually produces my podcast. So super

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fun. And I'm in her mastermind. So Dr. Michelle, she's a

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movement specialist, and helps people who sit at their desk too

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long. And she has a tea company, I want to hear about the tea

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company. But I'm more intrigued with this whole movement

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specialist. So I have had both knees operated on. The last

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surgery was 2015, I slipped in the mud and tore my meniscus.

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And it was, you know, not pretty. And then because of

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structurally how I'm set up, they did a lateral release of

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the tendon because the tendon was literally pulling the

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kneecap out of socket. So I had been working out for way over a

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year and a half with a trainer, my knees have been better than

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they've been in, I'm gonna say 30 years. And I'm not even

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exaggerating. I'm so excitable about it. And then one day,

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about seven weeks ago, I stood up from my desk and turn to walk

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out of my office and went, Man, my knee just like it wasn't

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quite ready to keep walking. And we kept walking, everything was

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good. And a little bit later, I went to get up a physical

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therapist refer to it as a bite, like, oh, where does it bite and

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I was like, that's a perfect description it bit me. So it

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just kept getting worse and worse until like, I just wanted

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to sit in my chair all day because it hurts so bad to walk.

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So I went to a therapeutic massage gal. And I said, I do

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not want my knees replaced. I don't want to do that. I don't

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know what this is like Mool she has Oh is sciatica. And it's

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that IT band and it's pulling on your knee, we got to get this

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stretched out and strengthen. That's your problem. So here we

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are seven weeks later, multiple massages, several physical

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therapy appointments. Today, I woke up actually, and it's

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better than it's been in seven weeks. So I might have like,

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crossed over into the good path of this. But tell me more like

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how do I make this go away? And never come back? And do I have

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to find a candidate to do it? Those are my important.

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Dr Michelle Greenwell: No, thank goodness for the internet,

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right? I do a lot of my work online. And it's movement,

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that's very simple. So people can do it anywhere. And, and

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it's gentle. That's the other piece, which is lovely. So one

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of the things that happens when people have that bite that

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occurs, I'll use your quote for that is that they actually the

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body is remembering a pattern. And so even though you've

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recovered from some of the other things that have gone on, it

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remembers that pattern and you just turn in a certain way it

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recognizes it, it says I've got to keep you safe. And then it

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steps in with a pattern that's not very helpful. And it thinks

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it's serving you well. And what you want to do is you want to

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get rid of that pattern. Because you can do all the other stuff,

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which all works. But one day, you could be sitting at the desk

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again, and you turn and then you'll say it's back. And it's

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not that it's back. It's that you never actually address the

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original problem. And so you want to get down to the original

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piece that that is holding. And what a lot of people don't

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realize is their emotions, pocket all over their body. So

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it's like a big story book. And that story book can have really

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weird connections. You know, your ankle could remember one

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thing from when you were two, and your shoulder can remember

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something from when you were seven. And you've got all these

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pieces, but it depends which emotion you're sitting in for

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the day. And it depends what movements you make. So you can

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see how the puzzle starts to get a little bit complicated. But

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what we do is just figure out how do we get to releasing those

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emotions and move the body forward For those people that

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have sciatic challenges, that is a repetitive pattern. And most

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people spend too much time sitting. So that's an easy,

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repetitive pattern. But then you also have how you get in and out

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of the chair, how you go up and down the stairs, how you get in

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and out of bed. Those are all ways that you might have a

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pattern in there that just turn that one way. And there you are,

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or you sit for too long. And those lovely muscles so as

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muscle and iliacus. Those are two muscles that have to do with

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the sciatic. There's other little pieces, but from the book

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of that those are emotions around fear and anxiety.

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Oh, just stop already.

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Dr Michelle Greenwell: Too much about you. Right? I wasn't even

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reading a tarot card. Gotcha.

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Okay. So interestingly, since we don't

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really know each other, like at all, I follow Dr. Bradley

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Nelson's book, the Emotion Code and his work The Body Code, and

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I've been doing a lot of work on myself, right. But sometimes you

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have to have somebody else, I can only do so much on myself,

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we second guess whatever. So it's very interesting. And I

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have a lot of fun things going on in my business. But it is a

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little bit scary. And there is a little bit of fear. And there's

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also the anxiety is it going to work are people going to like

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it. And although I'm not like an anxiety ridden person, per se,

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it's not that I don't experience that emotion, right. So like it

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happened. So I mean, like, I love you, and I hate you in this

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moment, let me just tell you,

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Dr Michelle Greenwell: when the second part is, which a lot of

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people don't realize, and this comes from Chinese medicine and

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the way that the systems function in the five element

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wheel. And when we have balance and flow in the wheel, all day

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long, then our emotions regulate themselves. So you could have

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projects you're working on, you could be trying new projects,

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you could be launching something new, and fear and anxiety is

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present. But you don't notice it. Because the body is taking

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care of the emotions processing and moving you forward, then you

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have the day where it's not imbalance. And then that's when

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you've spent too much time maybe at the computer, the next spin

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on a an angle that it doesn't want to be at. And you've locked

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up something back here. And depending on where it's at, that

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could affect maybe stomach or spleen as an exam, just an

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example. And so then you can see that now that goes into a little

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bit of overdrive or it's blocked. And then the emotions

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that sit there, start to come forward. So now when you're

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making decisions about that new project, or how you're launching

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something, you're not doing it through a clear lens, you're

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doing it through the lens of where you're sitting at

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emotionally, because of the way the body is functioning,

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make it go away, that's all I have to say

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make it go away.

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Dr Michelle Greenwell: Yeah. And that's where dynamic sitting,

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where you're moving, and you're changing the way the body is

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functioning while you sit rather than just sitting and listening

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to the business call, or working on the project intently focused

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on your computer, but you actually are aware of what is

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your posture doing, how much stress are you holding in. And

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so I teach people how to do that. And then I also show them

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how to do simple movements to bring balance and flow back. And

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it's cumulative. So the more you work on it every day, the more

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value you're going to have from it. So it's not when you block

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it in to go to the gym today. But it's actually all through

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your day, you're weaving this in and out of the day, so that you

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don't have these times when the emotions rise up because it's

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out of balance. And then they drop out again, when everything

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comes back into balance. So it keeps it nice and steady.

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Wow. So like how do you do this? Like, I know

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how I do my work? How do you do your work? Not like your trade

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secrets or something. But like how do you work with clients as

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a group? Is it one on one? Like, how does that happen?

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Dr Michelle Greenwell: Yes. So I can work one on one, which is

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great, because then you can go in and target some of the

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initial pieces that I really love working in a group. And I

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love that too, because you have everybody's goals and intentions

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that are brought to the group, which means you have your own,

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which you think are the important ones but somebody else

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could have a goal or an intention they're working on

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that actually is going to help you solve what you're working

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on. So when we come together in a group it the dynamics of that

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is really fun. So I do that as a movement made easy class, which

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is very simple movements. And I have a focus into to different

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parts of the body. So right now I'm doing the digestive system.

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I worked on the nervous system for one full session for eight

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weeks and looking at the body from a structural perspective,

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but also from an electrical perspective, and then putting

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the two together. And the other way I do it is a class called

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Chi integration, which is where I'm looking at all the things

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related to energy, as well as the structure and we do

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movement. But we also really look at the energy concepts that

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could be transforming us and changing the way we live.

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Wow. Wow. So how, how did you get into this?

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How long have you been doing this? Is this? Like, I've never

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heard of most of this, right? Because there's so many

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possibilities out there.

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Dr Michelle Greenwell: Yeah, yeah. So I was a dancer, dance

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teacher, until I lost the ability to walk. And I lost the

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ability to walk because my emotions had pocketed in my

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muscles, mostly in my feet. So being a dancer, right, it wasn't

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paying attention to the stress cues that were coming the normal

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way. So my body had to find a way where I would pay attention,

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which was okay, we're going to target the feet. Because the

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feet are the most important part is as a dancer to move. So I

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lost the ability to walk on them, the pain was so

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excruciating. And it took me the better part of a year. One, it

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took me ahead of Google search, because that didn't exist at the

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time. So to try to find someone one of the dance educators, I

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went to a workshop with Lynn Simonson beautiful, modern

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dancer from New York. She said, Touch for Health. And I went,

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Okay, that sounds important. And that might be helpful. But then

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it took me a year to track down, where would I find that, only to

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find an amazing instructor that lived in the next town for me,

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and then being able to start to work and I started studying

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right away. And then when I started to realize how much

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potential was in the five element theory, from Chinese

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medicine, applying it back to movement, applying it to

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dancers, who use the motion, all through their performance, and

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their training. And they have to do things with their bodies that

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aren't always great. But they also have to be able to resolve

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those emotions that come up because of that. And so

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realizing there was a huge potential there to be able to

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advance it. So after I worked on myself, for a little while,

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brought it all together and studied, I was taking it right

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into the studio and sharing it with my dancers.

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I think that's amazing. And we don't, we don't

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always give enough importance to the emotions we feel. And if we

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process them, and did they move on. And so in my work, the fun

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thing with, with what I do is, you don't have to remember the

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event. You don't have to know what it was. But we can set the

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attention clear the emotion and, and make great, great headway. I

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had a client who had a hip replaced. And then she woke up

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from surgery and she couldn't flex her foot or lift her leg.

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And they were like, well, we didn't do anything that wasn't

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us. That wasn't us. And so blah, blah, blah. Two years later, she

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still is dragging that leg trying to walk and so I had to

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learn how to drive left footed. And I was just getting into the

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Emotion Code. And I said, Well, you know, you said your husband

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likes to go hiking, and and you end up like all these black

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diamond hikes when you want to be on a bunny slope. Did you

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have some trapped emotions around that? And she was like,

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Yes. And I said, Do you want to try to get rid of them? And she

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was like, Yes. And I don't know how many sessions we had, it was

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a lot of sessions. And then I learned The Body Code. And it

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actually was the piriformis muscle in the hip that was

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imbalanced that was causing her not to be able to lift her foot.

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And we resolved that and we're still working and she's way

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better. But you know, it's it's not 100% yet. And so I totally

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get how it's everything is connected anything in cars,

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anything. And everything is energy like that all you know,

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you're we're singing from the same song, but for sure.

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Dr Michelle Greenwell: Yeah. And then you also have, we've been

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trained to isolate movements, right. So when we go to turn our

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head, we think about turning it to the right, turn it to the

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left. But after you've done a couple movements from Tai Chi,

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or maybe a specific dance move, you actually get a whole body

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integration where your entire spine rotates to turn your head.

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And for a lot of people that's a huge awakening because they've

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always no movement to be. If you want something to happen, you do

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this action. Not you do this whole body action. When you sit

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at a desk Ask you sit at a desk, or you engage with your feet,

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you move through the pelvis, you're spiraling, you're

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turning, you're engaged, you're breathing. And now you have

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dynamic sitting. So you have, you know, you have your choice

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of which way you want to live.

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Oh, wow. Wow, this is amazing. Okay, so if the

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audience wants to get ahold of you, how are they going to find

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you? Where, where do they where do they go? Where

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Dr Michelle Greenwell: did they go, they can find me in a lot of

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places. So I do have my own podcast, which is be well with

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Michelle Greenwell. And they can find that on my YouTube channel,

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the video version, and on YouTube. It's at Michelle

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Greenwell. And if they're looking for resources on

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movement, there are many playlists on my YouTube channel

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so they can find what they're looking for. And if they want

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specific resources, then I would recommend link tree. So it would

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be HTTPS, colon slash slash, and then link TR dot E. So there's

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a.in Between, and then a slash, and it'll be dance debut. And

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dance debut.com is the website that I run most things out of,

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except for my tea company. But everything else movement and

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healing related comes out of dance debut.

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Oh my gosh, I love that. And it's. So somebody

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once said, if somebody's listened to your podcast, they

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don't want to go get on a computer and look something up.

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And I said, but it's in the show notes. So people, it'll be in

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the show notes, just click the show notes. It's still on your

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phone, so that you can reach out to Dr. Michelle Greenwell. Oh my

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gosh, this has been amazing. So what can you give us one

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suggestion, in addition to the dynamic setting, you know, I

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love that. And what's one last suggestion tip that you can give

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us before we let you get back to your busy day.

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Dr Michelle Greenwell: So if you're sitting, you want to know

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how much stress the body is under. Now an optimist is going

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to say, Oh, it's great, I've got everything good. You know, I'm

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like a two out of 10 for stress. And someone else might say eight

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out of 10. Both could be right. But what the body is going to do

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is tell you the level of stress. So for a lot of people, they're

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going to sit back into their chair, they're going to shut off

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the cerebral spinal pump on their tailbone. And they're

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going to stop the flow of fluid up to the brain, then they're

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going to think I need to have a cup of coffee, because I'm

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feeling kind of like rundown. But that's because of where

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they're sitting. So my suggestion, first off, is flying

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straight. And so in my office, it's a flat seat, I have a back

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on it, but I hardly ever use it because I always sit up straight

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myself. And I'm always using my own muscle balance to do that.

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But the next part is going to be where's the stress. So what you

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do is you just pull on the ears and see where your body lifts

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to. And that's straight.

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Wow, I got a standing up straight just now

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that I was

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Dr Michelle Greenwell: exactly. And that's what everybody says.

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So that now you can realize, as the stress ramps up in the day,

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electromagnetic things coming off your computer, you got the

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phone, hanging off your body somewhere, all of that stress is

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going to change your posture. And you can, this isn't the fix

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for it. But it certainly shows you where straight should be.

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And you should be able to get there with ease. If it's a lot

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of effort for you to sit up straight, pull your ears overtop

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of your shoulders, then you need some exercises that help you to

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find where that is and keeps you there. And it's not because you

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have to consciously do it. It's that you need to engage the body

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in a way that puts it in the right place.

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Oh my gosh, I love that. Okay, we didn't talk

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about your T company. And you tell us very quickly about that

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before we sign off because I don't want to leave that out.

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Dr Michelle Greenwell: No, because that's the fun part too.

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You can have all your nutrients can be coming through teas,

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because you can choose the different kinds of products that

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are within it. And also with the tea company that I have. I have

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teas with intention. So they already have an intention on the

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package. And the ones that are specifically working on

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intention have more intentions on the back of the package. So

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you have a way that you prepare the tea so a little tea ritual

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and then you have what is it you're wanting out of your day.

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How do you want things to be better? And then you sip away on

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the tea and you Use those affirmations. I also have

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ingredients that come from around. I wouldn't say the yard

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but around the community that grow in abundance. And very

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often, we just noticed them. One that I put into one called beach

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bonfire is Queen Anne's lace. Queen Anne's lace is a beautiful

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white flower, it has a tiny red.in the center of it, very

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delicate, and it looks like lace. And when I add that into

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my beach bonfire, it tastes like a smore. But it's a small with

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no sugar. But also you have this lightness and this lifting up

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this joyfulness that comes out of the Queen Anne's lace. So I

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play with the essences of the herbs, and how they combine

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together in order to create ways to lift us up. And that's a lot

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different than saying, I'm going to go pick my ginger tea out of

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the cupboard, because it's good for digestion. It's Yes, it is.

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But we can make it just so much more in a cup of tea.

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Oh my gosh, I love that. Well, Dr. Michelle,

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this has been lovely. Thank you for all the amazing information

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you shared with me today, because this is all about me

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people you're gonna benefit to but this was all about me.

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Dr Michelle Greenwell: So what tea do you typically pick,

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I don't drink tea.

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Dr Michelle Greenwell: Do you drink water,

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I drink a lot of water, a

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Dr Michelle Greenwell: lot of water. So to be able to add to

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your water. It could be ice cubes with tea. It could be tea

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could be hot or cold. And then I also have a recipe for switchel

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which is what they use to replace electrolytes. So before

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the big power drinks that have all the sugar attached to them

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and whatever all else, you can actually work with molasses,

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apple cider vinegar, some honey, and I put the tea blend inside

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of it. So that recipe is on the website, which is Cape Breton

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tea.ca. And it's called switchel. And that is a lovely

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way to really give a boost to yourself and to get those

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nutrients flowing. And

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oh my gosh, thank you so much for your time

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and all the valuable information. Thank

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Dr Michelle Greenwell: you, Jennifer, you asked some great

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questions and it was lovely to bring the tips and tools forward

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to your audience in the way that we did today.

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Ah, thank you. This has been great. I'm

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Jennifer Takagi and I look forward to connecting with you

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soon