Overcome Speaking Fears For 6-Figure Days with Sylvain Haché

Alright. Welcome, everybody. This is another episode of the Creative

Collaboration Show with Chuck Anderson, and this is the show where

we help you as an entrepreneur, as a business owner,

as a coach, anyone who, is in a

business with a big heart and a big mission.

Part of that is getting your message out there in a big,

big way, and there is no better way to

get your message out there than through taking advantage of

speaking opportunities. And, today's guest,

is an expert in helping you to

craft your message and to get that

message out there in a in a way that can help you to generate some

big revenue. So my guest today is Sylvain Hache,

and otherwise known as Sly, and that's my best French

accent, so that's the best I can do. Sly. But Sly is an

ex chronic stutterer who has created a new public speaking system

that turns regular people into naturals without

scripts, without stress or memorization.

Clients include international keynote speakers, TV hosts,

national trainers, and a whole lot more. His

methods have helped people from 18 to 81. So

probably that's you if you're listening in. Gets it

over stage fright, and, his systems have helped replace

yearly incomes, with 20 minute talks and have

produced multiple 6 figure days from the stage.

So that's the bio part. But, Sly, we're gonna have you

tell your story. So first of all, welcome to the show, and I'm so happy

to have you here. So great to be here. Thanks, Chuck.

Yeah. This is gonna be a lot of fun. And, of course, you and I,

when we get on, we just instantly start laughing and joking

like we're old friends here. So, it's a real privilege to have you on the

show. So, you know, no joke when when I say that, you

know, speaking is probably, you know, the the

biggest opportunity that somebody on a big mission,

has to get their message out there. I know it's transformed my

business, you know, last 25 years,

at least. Speaking has been a part of it. It was not easy at first.

It was actually very, very scary. So I did not have you in my

corner back then, but, so we're grateful to have you

here and talk about this. So, Sai, I think a great place to start

is, you know, tell everybody a little bit more about you and, you know, how

how did it come to be that you're doing this work?

Man, I'm so happy when I heard you say, Chuck, people with a

big heart and a big mission. That's that's the whole thing. I

was in a sauna one day, and I was distilling my

message. And it came to be that, you know, if we put

the canned responses on the side here, I basically

help people have what it takes at the gut level to

handle the weight of the message screaming to come out of

their heart with a straight face. Because great

messages are said to have gravitas.

Gravitas comes from weight, heaviness, or pressure. So, I come

from the show business world. Just as there's no use working on the

delivery of a song if the song sucks.

So, like, you know all the vocal runs and stuff. If you do the vocal

runs and the fancy stuff on a bad song, it's still a bad song. But

a great song sung by an okay singer,

regular delivery is still good. If we know that

we'd never work on the delivery of a message

as the top stack if the message is weak to begin

with, if the message has no oomph to it, no gravitas. There's no use working

on your addiction and all that type of stuff and your posture and anchoring

and delivery. Never mind that. If the message is weak to begin

with. But there's no use, you listening,

working on a message, the thing that wants to come out

of your heart, if we know in advance that the messenger does not have what

it takes at the gut level to handle the weight of that message.

That's why we start with confidence first. The public speaking

has been taught backwards since at least the Sophists in

ancient Greece. The

usual train of thought goes something like, Here's what to say.

Here's how to say it. Now get out there, get laughed at and humiliated

until you feel confident about that one speech you learned by heart in the beginning.

Bad. Because then you're screwed. If the timing changes, if the

audience changes, if anything moves, then you're screwed.

So we flipped it around. Since I am an

ex chronic stutterer, I know Chuck was talking about,

you know, kind of hard in the beginning. Wanting to

hide in the corner. I get this. I could not even speak like

stuttering is basically stage fright on steroids.

So you can't even speak to one person. So since I have the internal

tools to get over that type of stuff, We start with

this first. 80% of all public speaking

problems the umms, the ahs, the forgetting your face, forgetting your

name, not knowing where you're going, freaking, blanking

out 80% of all that is fixed if you handle

the inner confidence issues first. Once you get that,

which is what's called the gut level, then you can start okay now there's

a message screaming to come out of my chest. Now you got this. Now you

can handle that weight of that ice cream cone thing. You

know? So you don't put a 3rd scoop if you can't handle the first one.

Okay. You got this. Then you put on the message. Then we layer on the

delivery. The anchoring, the stage presence, yadayada yada. So

anyway, that was just before we get started, so people understand that

there are deeper tools than

PDF coaching questions that allow you to

remove what makes you unconfident to begin with. Because

you're not nervous because

you're afraid of forgetting your words and being laughed

at. You're forgetting your words, and you might get laughed

at because you're nervous. That's the first

flip. There's so much suffering, Chuck. Public

speaking has been taught for 1000 of years. Think about this.

1000 of years. Everybody knows it's the most important skill in the world.

Chuck says it. Right? It's it's like like think of another

skill, activity or thing you can do listening to this,

where you can have a 6 figure day on a regular

Tuesday without a gun legally.

And it's not even a big deal. Like 6 figure days. So far our system

has created 7 and a half 6 figure days. And they're like, woah. Big wow.

You create 6 figure days. What? It's not even a big deal.

Think of another activity. Another thing you can put in your agenda

that by doing this, you can make 6 figures on a

Tuesday. It's like, yeah. I mean, you're doing the dance. You're you're having fun.

But it's not like you're breaking industry norms or something. Okay?

So for 1000 of years, it's been taught because everybody knows it's the most important

thing. It's the invisible layer of the business world, the invisible layer of

influence. Think of everybody you follow online, anybody you

ever respected, they all have mastered

this. Think of someone you follow

that's not mastered speaking. I'm a just wait here. We got 20 minutes

with Chuck. I mean, me and Chuck, we just talk. But while

you think about this. So it's been tough for 1000 of years. Everybody knows it's

the most important thing in the world. Yet

Jerry Seinfeld says it best. Most people would prefer

to be in the casket than give the eulogy.

70% of the world's population are terrified of

it. So could it might just possibly

be a little crack of an idea that maybe

there's another way of teaching it? Maybe they've been teaching it

backwards all this time. That's why I created a new speaking

system, which doesn't put confidence at the end of the rainbow. Like, Oh my

God. If I learn the magic words, if I learn what

to say, and then if I I practice my diction and I do my

and I learn body language tricks and all

that type of jazz, then one day at the end of the

rainbow, I will have, watch out Chuck, watch the

magic word, confidence.

People, just put that thing, put the end goal,

wrap it around, put that in the beginning, and 80%

of all the problems on the way there get solved in one fell swoop. You

don't self sabotage yourself. You don't shoot yourself in the foot, and you

just have a better time doing it. So, Jason, I'm

gonna get to your first question. What it is that you do?

Sorry. Sorry. Intro to the answer of the question,

though. I just have to get it out there, Chuck, because, you know, people are

suffering, man. I'm not making this up. Like, you know, like, did I make something

up or what? It's 100% true, and it was

certainly true for me when I first started,

with public speaking, and I was deathly afraid of

it. And there was, and, again, it was not the

confidence didn't come later because I did so many

speeches, although I did get better and better as I went. But the

confidence, the real switch was dealing with some of my

fears first. And then the entire way that I

structured my talk, the way I delivered the talk, the way I even

carried myself was completely different. And it was completely

by accident or coincidence or whatever. I went through

a a program that worked on confidence. But then when I was

able to apply that, I applied that to my speaking. It changed everything.

So I can relate to what you're saying, and I didn't have, you

speaking in my ear back then, but I can certainly

I can look back and go, yes. You know, that was the shift. That was

the shift. And I would have loved to speak into your ear with

my French accent, dear Chuck. So the the

32nd, pitch is that what I do basically is I

help honest people become more persuasive on stage, on

camera, and in meetings. Simple. You're honest.

I make you more persuasive anywhere you need to speak. And then why do

I do this? Because I partner with them on a rev share basis to create

6 figure days from the stage. Why honest

people? Because crooks, bandits, liars and thieves are already

persuasive. And they're winning.

You got intelligent, honest people with a message scream. Man,

come people wait 15 years.

They want to write the book for 15 years or 10 years and it's like

a simmer, then it starts to scream, then they come to me. I make them

more persuasive. Why partner with them on a rev share

basis? Because that's a good idea.

But, ultimately, I secretly do this because I believe

that it might sound a bit cheesy,

but the world would actually be a better place if everybody

who has great ideas and wants to do good

would become more persuasive on stage, on camera, in meetings, in

life, in business, in politics, on any stage. Imagine

if the people leading

were the good guys.

Exactly. And I don't mean politics or anything. Like, what's what's up to you? I

I just mean, like, you know, if a genuine, wanting to help.

So that's the secret intention. Yeah. Well, you know, because that's

you just described the majority of the people that we work

with. And, so many of them,

if if they could only connect with more

people, if they could only get more clients, they would

facilitate bigger and deeper transformations.

And so, you know, so they're all they're looking

for, you know, rather than serving 10 people, could you serve a 100

people? Could you serve a 1000 people? Can you get your message out there to

the people who really need it? And, sadly, I have

known some great people with with great

skills for transformation, quit the business and

go do something else because they could not overcome what

you're talking about here. So, you know, I think that's a that

is a big crime. We need to help

get those messages out there, these amazing people who can help

other people. And like you say, I don't think it's cliche at all. Make the

world a better place? Absolutely. Why not? Yeah. Because I work with

spiritual people a lot. Mhmm. And there's a term

that they say, they wanna be a lighthouse. And I forget the

name of the lady. I forget her name. But I heard someone say

online, you can't be a lighthouse if you can't keep the lights

on. Mhmm. It's true. For spiritual

people, just play that back. Mhmm. Yeah. It's true. What the

what the guy with the weird accent says yeah. What did he say to okay.

You can't be a lighthouse if you can't keep the lights on.

So you got it. A 3 step system is get over yourself,

get your story straight, get the message across. That's the speaking

part, which needs to be sandwiched, between the marketing part, which is

have an offer that people want, and find opportunities to sell the name

offer. Because this is a numbers game, external, and this is an

internal game. Get over yourself. Get your

story straight. Get the message across.

Very powerful. So what,

what led you here? I mean, I always I get all the questions

all the time. You know, how, you know, how did you get

started? How how did you overcome this?

Because when I share with people that, hey, look, you know, you you are seeing,

an introvert, and they're like, no. We do not believe

you. And I'm like, no. It's true. And there was a point where just

the mere thought of getting on stage where I would

wake up with terrors in the middle of the night, you

know, with the with the sweats and just you know, it was a horror story.

And I'm like, no. No. No. That will never be me. And now,

it's kind of like a must. In fact, I get excited about

opportunities, to do that now. So I know what my origin

story was. What what was yours? What what led you,

to, that you said some of it already, but, I

mean, you know, what what did you have to overcome? To

what led me to speak or what led me to teach speaking?

Well, both. I guess both. Why don't we and then and then

we'll and then we'll kinda get into, you know, what what,

people can learn from that with their own experience because, you know, we wanna relate

to what what are what is our audience experiencing now, you

know, and some of the fears and the challenges that they

have. And I you know, they see that, hey. We're we were

like you once. Right? Yeah. That that

that's a problem, Chuck. That's a problem because

okay. You just said you watched my guitar videos in

French. Mhmm. K. I have songs on the radio. I'm an

award winning international touring musician. I got all these awards,

and I teach that stuff and all that.

So whenever I talk about that guitar stuff, people say, well, not fair for you.

You're a rock star. Like, you you you don't get you don't understand.

You don't get me. Easy for you to say you're a rock

star. Now in the speaking

world, well, I wasn't born a rock star. You

know? So for the music thing,

that's years of daily

sacrifice of practicing. The way we do this in the show business is

simple, Chuck. It's a 15 year process. You

sacrifice your whole youth. You practice every day like a maniac. Then you

practice 8 hours a day for 10, 15 years. Then you finally have a song

on the radio. And then you get interviewed. And they

say, wow. You make it look so easy. What's your secret? And then you

say, oh, it just comes to me.

So that perpetuates the myth, but there's

decades of sweat, blood, and tears in the background.

Okay? Mhmm. So in the speaking world,

people oh, that that's my alarm to stop to to

take a break. There you go. Yeah. I

work so much that I put alarms in place so we can't take a break

now. In the speaking world, now people say, like, you don't you don't

understand. They look at me like yesterday. I went live and did a

pitch somewhere. 82% of the audience signed up in less than 5

minutes. Boom. There's people

in there thinking, well, I could never do that. That's not fair. Look at this

guy go. He's he's extroverted.

Okay. Forward back. Chronic

stutterer for decades. I could not even ask my mom for the assault at

the dinner table. As a

kid. So, Chuck

Chuck did this. You went so far removed. You went

such a long way from where you started that the people every and

in every step, everyone in the lab, there's people there. A 1000000 people here. A

1000000 people there. A 1000000 people here. A 1000000 people there. Some of them say,

well, easy for you to say, he doesn't understand me. But

you were there 5, 7, 12 years ago. The thing is, Chuck,

you don't even remember how bad it was. You remember the cliff notes.

You remember the vague feeling,

but to what point. So I even tried to go in

regression to remember how bad it was.

For me, it was so bad that I was doing drugs every day. And alcohol

as much as possible and junk food and none of just anything to stuff down

the pain. So I I went so

far this catapulted me so far from

that that people that are in that world

hate me now. Look at that asshole.

We don't jive anymore. There's always a sweet spot of

people where you can connect to. The sweet spot

for the speaking world is someone who

secretly believes that they can and at the same

time secretly believes that they can't.

That's the sweet spot where, okay, now everything is starting to work. If

somebody doesn't have both, you're screwed. Because if you only

believe you you can't, you don't do

nothing. And if you only believe that you can, well, you're already writing books, and

you're already on stage, and you're already done. So that's just the sweet spot.

So to give you a quick answer, what

started me on the speaking, teaching part, and we can go into why

I started speaking myself in the beginning, but

the speaking part, because my mentor when

my mentor called me an idiot the 3rd time, Chuck, it's

not. It's

just it broke a switch. Mhmm. First time my mentor called

me an idiot. Okay? Back

in the day, do you know Deepak Chopra? I do. Yeah.

Okay. So the biggest client we had was Deepak Chopra. 2,006,

7 ish. We started the business in 2,005 ish.

We were, like all the chakra people, the mindset people, all

the gurus, the authors, the speakers, the experts, the consultants would come to

us. We had a mailing list and I was the one writing the copy

for them. The marketing materials, the copy, the promotions, and the SWOT. So I would

just create their message. And I created this kind of messaging algorithm because they

all sound the same. I can't copy paste the same

message every week to my list. So I had this message and

algorithm to easily

make what's unique about you versus you stand out in messaging

format. We had this thing going on. At this

time, when I had my spiritual awakening, so it was like 12 hour

days, 18 hour days of working, and deep meditation. At one point, I was about

to leave the world, become a monk, live in the mountains, Chuck. I'm not kidding.

And this mentor of mine told me, what's wrong with you idiot? You're

not a monk. You're a rock star.

I was like, oh yeah, I've forgotten about that. So when

we completed that business, I went and toured the world. I went and played

internationally, came back, did an album, toured the province and stuff like that.

Then I started teaching musicians how to not suck on stage.

So remember, I'm an ex chronic stutterer. Now I turn into a rock

star with all this big stages and stuff. And I teach musicians

how to have stage presence. Because it's the same thing as speaking. You have 2

guitar players. You got 1 guy sitting there in the corner.

And then and then you got Keith Richards.

What's the difference? That stage presence. K. Owning

the room and all that. So I was teaching that to musicians, which was

doing okay.

Musicians are not the same crowd as entrepreneurs.

They have less to gain. In the speaking world, you're listening to me. We work

together. We create 6 figure days for you. Or, you know, it's

not a guarantee, but that's the goal. That's

a realistic goal. For musicians, what

are you gonna play at your party for the family who has

this smaller payoff? So the same mentor

called me, what's wrong with you idiot? Don't teach that to

musicians. Teach that to

business owners. Turn my yearly income into my

monthly income. So, stage presence, principle, confidence and all

that for entrepreneurs. More intelligent. So I combined

the messaging algorithm that we had back in the day with the

Stage President's Principle and I created this speaking system that you can speak

without stress, no script, no memorization, yadayada. Doing

good. At the same time, I was

working 1 on 1 with private clients. I'm doing the whole thing, you know, like

from the ads to the emails to the call to action to building the offer

to the follow-up to the pitch to what do you say? Like the whole 9

yards. And TWICE, I'm healthy Chuck. I don't smoke it, don't drink, I do

yoga, meditate. I'm a healthy guy.

TWICE, I'm in my 40s. Twice sitting at that desk

here, I had a pinching my heart in the afternoon. Like a bad feeling.

Like pinching. I'm overworking. So I was telling that to the

same mentor. Man, we're getting great results on the sharing. Like, this

person got in the program. Standing

ovation. The first time at 62 years old, funded or held company in 15

minutes, yet the results. He was like, what's wrong with you idiot?

You're not charging enough, double the price of that program, remove the 1

on 1 coaching from that thing, and create a low ticket thing where everybody can

get without your coaching, and then you do

the partnership thing only. 1 on 1. So group coaching,

partnership, and then a low ticket community.

That third time he called me an idiot is what put me on this path

to add these layers of things, which for me now,

Chuck, is such a beautiful thing. And I want you this for your business and

anybody listening here. Everything you

do falls under one umbrella of a thing.

So every operation, every checklist, every

swipe, every SOP, every messaging angle, everything

nests itself like Russian dolls because everything is an

algorithm, not an algorithm, how do you call

that? Like a HOLOGRAM of

ITSELF. So I can do it for you,

we can do it in groups, or you can do it yourself. But either way,

it's one thing for me now as a beautiful hologram, which encompasses

my whole life's work up until now in a package that I can

offer to people so that they can streamline all these

decades of suffering and get to the result faster.

So all it took is a mentor to call me an idiot 3 times. I

mean, the the Only 3. I think mine called me that more

than once or more than 3. Time I understood the first time. You

know? It's a classic joke. Yes. The 3rd time I understood the

first one. Yeah. Absolutely. I love it. It

probably took me, 10. So there you go.

You are indeed a rock star, my friend. Or maybe your or

maybe your mentor was not he he didn't

say it loud enough. I was like, clear. Like, what's wrong with you,

idiot? We're wasting our heart. You know?

I love every word of that. So I

love the way you structure what you do. Something that

really stood out to me just there is that you have, you know, the

low ticket where people can easily

come and learn from you and build

that relationship with you. And then you have, you know, the partnership.

And, you know, and we're gonna talk here in a moment about how

people can connect with you because I am, hopefully, the

stories that we're sharing here are inspiring you,

to take, if you're already speaking, take your speaking to the next

level and create those 6 figure days. Or if you

have been thinking about it and, again, you have that heart centered

message, we want you, to take

yourself to the next level and start using speaking

because it will accelerate everything you do in your

business more than anything else. And, you know, take this from

2 guys who use speaking, and,

speaking did not, come naturally, to either

of us. You know, you grow into who you need to become.

And so this is you know, that you're you're talking to us at

the you know, after we've done a lot of work, but you can do that

work too. What would you say, Sly,

is for anyone listening in, say, okay. I get it.

I'm I wanted to do this. What is their next step?

Depends on the level. If you if you're

let's take it as what you secretly think at night.

If if you have a an event tomorrow.

Okay? I'm thinking of John. Let's say John has

to speak tomorrow at 10. It says 10 AM or whatever. It has to think

tomorrow he's speaking. It has more to do

with what you secretly think as you're going to bed that night before, waking

up in the morning, you getting to the talk,

then anything else. If you're secretly

thinking, who am I to talk to them?

Who's going to bother? I GOT Really

NOTHING OF VALUE. WHY DID I DO THIS? THIS IS I

SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN THAT. OR IF YOU LOSE

SLEEP REDOING YOUR SLIDES LIKE AN IDIOT THE NIGHT BEFORE.

So then you end up bombing the next day because you lost sleep redoing your

slides. If that's the situation,

it's very different than if you go to bed at night the

night before

and you're thinking, you know what? I'll take it easy on them.

Let me take it easy on them. I'm not sure they can handle the whole

sauce. Well that's a different you

know, what what's the next that's a different next step. Okay?

But if I would I've never thought about this, but if I would find a

common thread between all

Let me if there was a common thread

between all of those levels, no matter what level you are, listen to

this. You're like 6 figure days? Yeah. Shut up. Man, I'm working on 7 figure

days. By the way, I have not cracked the 7 figure day code yet. I

know how to do it on paper. I mean, I know how to do it,

but I have not helped clients do it and all that, so I don't have

the systems for it. But you can bet your socks that the day

I have it systematized, my masterclass changes

from 6 Mistakes That Prevent You From 6

Figure Days to 7 Mistakes That Prevent You From 7

Figure Days. So you can know the future here. But

if there was one common element of the first step

for any level. It's to step in Just THE

NEXT SIZE, PHASE, DEPTH OR POWER OF

YOUR OWN Energetic AURA, BODY, MIND, SPIRIT AND

SOUL. So you're here and you know that there's

that next little thing. And you can sometimes you're in the groove. Sometimes

you're not in the groove. If you're a beginner, it's like, I was kind of

feeling optimistic. If you're a rock star, like, man,

35% of the room bought the offer. Come on. Come on now.

But there's always a next step. For anyone at

any level, because this is an infinite scale,

it's to SECRETLY

allow a bigger

aura, a bigger energy field, a bigger sense of self, no matter what

your beliefs are, IN YOUR

IMMEDIATE PRESENCE. So that it doesn't feel like it's far off

in the future. You're screwed. If it feels right here, that's

okay. It's the subconsciously

stepping into it and merging your current sense of self with that

next level, like a blend. As As soon as you get that

in, plus you factor in. Maybe Chuck, they don't know

this, but you always get a 30% boost called the magic of show

business. When the lights go on, and people are there alive, and there's something

happening, there's always that little that kicks in.

So when you combine your honest to God internal,

it's okay. Allow me to step into that greatness just a little

bit smudge mixed with preparation, no matter what your

level is, multiplied by the 30% boost of

show business, I believe that could be a across

the board recommendation.

I love it. Well, something that stood out to me there, and I

think this is a good time to talk about it because we I mean,

we could I could already tell, Sly, that you and I could do this all

day. And, there's just so much to unpack here. But you mentioned

your master class. And before we run out of time, I wanna make sure that

we let people know about that masterclass because,

other than the brilliant common thread next steps that you

just, described, I think anyone that

we're reaching here today should go and

attend your master class and learn even more from you. So you wanna

tell them a little bit more about that? Chuck,

if if if you're listening to this, okay, you let you you know Chuck.

You like Chuck. I mean, how can you not love this guy? Okay? You listen

to Chuck. You listen to this. There's a code in the show

notes, okay, you can use to come in for a master class. It's gonna bring

the price down to 0. My price can change over time

Because of Chuck, whatever the price is, it's gonna go down to 0. If you

don't come there, or at least check the date.

Look at your agenda for the next 2 weeks. Okay? Whatever it is. I do

this sometimes once a month or once every 2 weeks. Look at what's

on your agenda. If that activity on your agenda that coincides with my master

class will not lead you to have a 6 figure

day, it just won't. You know, like, I don't know,

making the dishes or whatever the activity is,

I don't see a logical reason why you would

not click on the damn link like you mean it.

Not a small little click no. Click on that damn thing like you mean it.

If you're watching this long in the future, it might be called the 7

mistakes preventing you from making 7 figure days. Right now, it's

the 6 mistakes. You're gonna learn all 6. That if you just

avoid these mistakes on your way to 6 figure days, it's gonna go better. But

Chuck, the main thing, aside from the mistakes and all that and, you

know, the funny names, I invented a word in September

2024. I don't know when you're watching this. It's called chronodystopia. And it is

the one biggest, silent objection

that people have that prevent them from buying your stuff. John, you're

listening to this John. You want to sell them your consulting, coaching, or whatever you

want to be selling them. They have a secret objection. It's called

Kanudi Sopia. It's a condition of the mind. In that Masterclass, I'll show

you how to overcome that. Just that alone is worth

your time to move whatever you had planned in

your agenda and make some space for that thing, especially since Chuck

gave you a free code to join.

And it really couldn't be easier. And if you're watching this on video, just look

right beneath this video. All of the show notes, the link, the coupon

code, it's all there. First of all, Sly, super generous. I mean, I can't

thank you enough. So if you're watching us video,

it's all there. If you happen to be listening to this on a

podcast, just go into your phone and the player that you're

in and all of the notes and the links and the and the and the

the coupon code is all right there. And, go ahead

and, like, Sly, this is powerful enough where I

wanna echo something that's, Sly, that you said, and that is it's

powerful enough to move your schedule around

to make sure that you're there. I know

that, you know, my mentor, 20, 25 years

ago, somewhere in there, was

very, you know, confidently

inviting me to, you know, take the next steps as public speaking,

and I and and selling from the stage, and it

transformed me. It transformed my business, and

Sly is this person that you want to learn from,

right now. So take advantage of that, and it's a very generous

offer. So thank you. You're welcome. Can I share a

message with the with the audience listening to you?

Guys, you're listening to this, wherever you are. You

know Chuck. Make it a goal in life if

you can to someday come on

the podcast rather than listen to the podcast as well. This

is a blessing. Such a great experience. Awesome listener. Great

questions. Great vibe. Well organized. If you can,

get some results out there. Do come to my masterclass. Do something worth

talking about. Then come talk about it on the show here with Chug, if you

can. I would absolutely love that. And, you and I

get are so blessed to work with some really amazing heart

centered people with big hearts, big messages, big

visions for the world, and, and are

engaged in work that help enhance the lives of

of our fellow humans. And that is what this is all

about. Before I let you go,

I I talk a lot about in my program

about our business grows only to the extent that we

grow ourselves. And so personal development and self

development has been near and dear to my heart. I have some of my

favorite books that have helped me. So I always ask my guests while I have

you here, and I can hold you

captive. If you could share with me just one,

I'm sure there are many, but one must read book

that, if if this was the next book someone would

read, it was, you know, impactful in your life, and it would be

impactful in their life as well. I guess

it would depend on the level. So I'll just say any book by David Hawkins.

Oh. Maybe except Successes for You because he didn't really

write himself was going a manuscript. But depending on the level where you

are because some of them are mind melting.

I remember the eye of the eye. My brain was just freaking out. So depending

on the level, if you're into personal growth internally,

any book from David Hawkins and I wouldn't maybe not focus too much on the

numbers of his scale because he even said, like, I wish I hadn't gone too

much in the numbers, but the principle itself of the scale of consciousness,

just brilliant. Yeah. Power versus force, I

think, is the first one that I ever, read and,

great place to start. It's the it's the gateway to all

things David Hawkins. So Crazy. Well, we'll make

sure we put a link to that in the show notes here as well, and,

it would definitely be time well spent. If you have not read

that book, and like we said, it is a gateway to all his other

work, you know, you check that out. So,

Sly, thank you. You are amazing. I can't wait to do

more with you. And, and I'll you know, we're sharing

this masterclass out with everybody because the people I work with need

this, and, and we get to work with some amazing people.

So thank you. Before I let you go,

to just bring this episode to a a a great conclusion,

any final words of, words of wisdom or piece of advice you

wanna leave our listeners here with today?

Let's all remember, people, that the only

way to escape the cycle of suffering

we all seem to be stuck in is for each and every one

of us to learn to deal with our emotions and our states of

mind without hurting any

sentient beings, including ourselves.

I love that. Powerful, powerful words to end this

episode by, Sly, thank you. You are so

generous and just, an amazing human, and I can't wait to

do more with you. To our audience, thank you for listening

in. And if you're still here, that means what we talked about here

today resonated with you. I want you to make sure this time

was time well spent. I want you to take an action today

towards something in your business that can move

the needle forward. And maybe that's something you've been putting off for a

while. Maybe that's something that we reminded you of while you were listening,

and maybe it's just very simple. Go and sign up

for Slice master class because that is gonna be time

well spent. And in the meantime, keep moving

forward. Never ever give up on your big dream. You might be just one

collaboration way, from that breakthrough that

is gonna take you from here to here in your business. And until next time,

this has been the creative collaboration show with Chuck Anderson, and we'll see you on

the next one.